11/18/2002 Entry: "The American Empire is in the Hands of Movie Stars"

Bush is NOTHING compared to twenty major movie stars


Just one, "We are the world," style production and Bush falls. That is the power, a group of movie stars could have. And they may be our last hope. For Joe and Jane sixpack live and die on the turn of the symbol - and there's no more powerful symbol in the United States than stardom. Let us do everything and anything we can do to mobilize and ignite the only thing that can rouse the American People - Movie Stars.

Quite possibly the ONLY ones who can rescue us from our dire condition is movie stars. Since the overwhelming numbers of American politicians are lying immoral filth, like Bush and since American Journalists are mentally retarded cowards and since the supreme court and new gestapo forces are firmly in the hands of Bush and since the population is like isolated segmented fearful minipulated sheep, each in a sheep box seperated from the other sheep each of them quietly in ther own fear boxes - We turn to our true idols to save this Republic. And movie stars could do it. And you would see this draftdodging chickenshit arms and oil profiteerer, fall in seconds. Seconds! Bush wouldn't last one evening if a gala of stars decided to dethrone this naked arms and oil profiteerer.

So far there are but scant few courageous movie stars stepping fourth. Robert Redford was a key early critic of Bush. He delivered an eloquent and passionate indightment of the Bush group. Barbara Streisand has been a vocal critic. Woody Harrelson has torn into Bush. And now Sean Penn delivers a blistering naked dress down of this Illuminati agent currently occupuying the White House.

Ten more movie stars and it is possible to change history. This is the power of stardom in America.

Since our cowardly journalists and newspapers have no place in their editorial space for the bravery, integrity and honor that Sean Penn represented, Penn incurred considerable personal expense - some $65,000 - to assure that his stand against tryranny is heard and he is on the record. That is more than I could say about Senators Daschle, or Leahy who are like fuckin' nutered sheep)

Voxnyc Salutes Sean Penn for Extroardinary Bravery on the Historic Battlefield of Democracy.

He stands squarly with our founding fathers.

On November 14th Sean Penn drew his pen and like a sword thrust it squarely into the heart of the beast of tyranny. If only more of our Icons like Penn could have the courage to strike such blows you would see this faker, this phony, this cowardly draftdodger Bush fall right on his face. We must begin a wave of dissent and protest. General strikes. No-buy days - WE ARE THE WORLD!!! And WE WANT IT BACK AGAIN!!!

Thank You Sean Penn - for standing up to tyranny. The founding fathers of this nation would be there along side you.

Here's Sean Penn's Full Page appeal the Washington Post.


Sean Penn's Open Letter to George W. Bush

Nov. 3, 2002

An Open Letter to the President of the United States of America

Mr. Bush:

Good morning sir. Like you, I am a father and an American. Like you, I consider myself a patriot. Like you, I was horrified by the events of this past year, concerned for my family and my country. However, I do not believe in a simplistic and inflammatory view of good and evil. I believe this is a big world full of men, women, and children who struggle to eat, to love, to work, to protect their families, their beliefs, and their dreams. My father, like yours, was decorated for service in World War II. He raised me with a deep belief in Constitution and the Bill of Rights, as they should apply to all Americans who would sacrifice to maintain them and to all human beings as a matter of principle.

Many of your actions to date and those proposed seem to violate every defining principle of this country over which you preside: intolerance of debate ("with us or against us"), marginalization of your critics, the promoting of fear through unsubstantiated rhetoric, manipulation of a quick comfort media, and position of your administration's deconstruction of civil liberties all contradict the very core of the patriotism you claim. You lead, it seems, through a blood-lined sense of entitlement. Take a close look at your most vehement media supporters.

See the fear in their eyes as their loud voices of support ring out with that historically disastrous undercurrent of rage and panic masked as "straight tough talk." How far have we come from understanding what it is to kill one man, one woman, or one child, much less the "collateral damage" of many hundreds of thousands. Your use of the words, "this is a new kind of war" is often accompanied by an odd smile. It concerns me that what you are asking of us is to abandon all previous lessons of history in favor of following you blindly into the future. It worries me because with all your best intentions, an enormous economic surplus has been squandered. Your administration has virtually dismissed the most fundamental environmental concerns and therefore, by implication, one gets the message that, as you seem to be willing to sacrifice the children of the world, would you also be willing to sacrifice ours. I know this cannot be your aim so, I beg you Mr. President, listen to Gershwin, read chapters of Stegner, of Saroyan, the speeches of Martin Luther King. Remind yourself of America. Remember the Iraqi children, our children, and your own.

There can be no justification for the actions of Al Qaeda. Nor acceptance of the criminal viciousness of the tyrant, Saddam Hussein.

Yet, that bombing is answered by bombing, mutilation by mutilation, killing by killing, is a pattern that only a great country like ours can stop. However, principles cannot be recklessly or greedily abandoned in the guise of preserving them.

Avoiding war while accomplishing national security is no simple task. But you will recall that we Americans had a little missile problem down in Cuba once. Mr.Kennedy's restraint (and that of the nuclear submarine captain, Arkhipov) is to be aspired to. Weapons of mass destruction are clearly a threat to the entire world in any hands. But as Americans, we must ask ourselves, since the potential for Mr. Hussein to possess them threatens not only our country, (and in fact, his technology to launch is likely not yet at that high a level of sophistication) therefore, many in his own region would have the greatest cause for concern. Why then, is the United States, as led by your administration, in the small minority of the world nations predisposed toward a preemptive military assault on Iraq? Simply put, sir, let us re-introduce inspection teams, inhibiting offensive capability. We buy time, maintain our principles here and abroad and demand of ourselves the ingenuity to be the strongest diplomatic muscle on the planet, perhaps in the history of the planet. The answers will come. You are a man of faith, but your saber is rattling the faith of many Americans in you.

I do understand what a tremendously daunting task it must be to stand in your shoes at this moment. As a father of two young children who will live their lives in the world as it will be affected by critical choices today, I have no choice but to believe that you can ultimately stand as a great president. History has offered you such a destiny. So again, sir, I beg you, help save America before yours is a legacy of shame and horror. Don't destroy our children's future. We will support you. You must support us, your fellow Americans, and indeed, mankind.

Defend us from fundamentalism abroad but don't turn a blind eye to the fundamentalism of a diminished citizenry through loss of civil liberties, of dangerously heightened presidential autonomy through acts of Congress, and of this country's mistaken and pervasive belief that its "manifest destiny" is to police the world. We know that Americans are frightened and angry. However, sacrificing American soldiers or innocent civilians in an unprecedented preemptive attack on a separate sovereign nation, may well prove itself a most temporary medicine. On the other hand, should you mine and have faith in the best of the country to support your leadership in representing a strong, thoughtful, and educated United States, you may well triumph for the long haul. Lead us there, Mr. President, and we will stand with you.


Sean Penn

San Francisco, California

Viewer Commentary: 20 comments

I tried to send this via e-mail; however, outlook express is a piece of bat dung. I pasted here:

I found your article on "The Greatest Achievement" to be wonderful. It literally brought a tear to my eye, as it illustrated the downward spiral this country has been in in the past 30+ years. We have gone from being a nation of limitless opportunity, pioneering spirit, and wholesome dedication to a goal to being a cesspool of corporate machinations and paper-shuffling stagnation. I have tried for years to pin down where things have gone wrong, and the only conclusion I have been able to reach is that indeed, this "cesspool" is not the path of natural evolution (or rather, deevolution). It is my conclusion that we have been steered upon this course, for what ultimate purpose I think few truly know, myself obviously not included. I have perused every possible ultimate goal of the so-called "elite" (however their behaviour doesn't exactly typify the sort that would be indicative of ascended, patriarchal guardians and guides of society, as the "elite" title would describe), and the ultimate goal is pure, unabashed greed in its purest and nastiest form. They truly have a gluttony that is staggering...it boggles the mind. It also makes you wonder, if these are truly educated, intelligent people, why on earth have they not made a point to reach some sort of spiritual or even philosophical point of realization, or fuck, even self-actualisation? Perhaps they have....

"Our country is operated by the purest of evil filth who use the cover of legitamate religions to hide their deeper beliefs, beliefs so sinister, you will never imagine, and they know that. And you don't."-VoxFux

Seems from your statement above that you have reached the same conclusion that I have, or perhaps I am reading too far into your statement. But I think we might both be of the same conclusion concerning the philosophical alignment of these psychopaths/sychophants as well as their religious beliefs. Perhaps, for the education of your readers, you may do an expose' on some of their practices. Have you heard of Bohemian Grove? That's a good place to start. Check out the lovely Michael Aquino. Call me the crazy, but it seems a little odd to have the leader of the Church of Satan *cough* I mean the Temple of Set, as well as an Intelligence officer/PSYOPS strategist working in children's Day Care. Maybe I'm wrong but where theres cult there's mindfuck.
When you deal with these so-called elite, you find that they are all awash in some sick occultist maelstrom of secret societies, esoteric beliefs, drug pioneering, mind-bending, magic(k)al workings, etc.

Keep up the exposure, the more we arm ourselves with knowledge the stronger we become. You can't fight a (truly) educated population, and the only way we can win this fight is to throw these sleazebags out and put our friends and neighbors in their place. People who are actually accountable for their actions, people who serve our communities rather than big $ and the MNC behemoths. The votescam isn't even necessary as we are given the same choice Roger Wilco from Space Quest III faces at the "McDonalds":
"Would you like space spuds?"
-Yes- or -Yes-

-Corporate Tool- or -MNC Crony-

Posted by Michael A. Lindgren @ 11/18/2002 04:35 AM EST

I wanna rap with everyone about the occult and the big shots who are drowning in it, my submission was errored as I tried to list two seperate web sites of mine, I digress, if anyone's interested in barking about the occult and the involvement of political/corporate "movers and shakers", please, drop me a line.
-Michael Lindgren

Posted by Michael A. Lindgren @ 11/18/2002 04:41 AM EST

Well, I *think* I have finally come to grasp the intricacies of this message board's interface protocols. To save from having to post again, in case of the website being down, I can be contacted at:

Sorry for the ignorance of submission requests.

Posted by Michael A. Lindgren....again @ 11/18/2002 04:43 AM EST

Great letter!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes...there IS hope!!

Don't let all of this paralyze us into fear! GET LOUDER AND LOUDER!!!

An interview with Jello Biafra

--Former Green Party Candidate for President of the United States (2000), and former singer for the Punk rock group Dead Kennedy's.--

I met up with Jello just after his speech, where he was mobbed by people asking questions and asking for autographs, and was able to stick my tape recorder in his face and ask him questions for a good length of time before one of the event's organizers asked me to stop and give other people a turn.

In the interest of full disclosure, I also caught up with him in the hallways to his room and was able to ask him a few more questions, but the tape this was recorded on was lost, because of my own incompetence. However, most of these questions weren't nearly as good as the questions on the saved tape, and in fact, I kind of bumbled it, so I'm not entirely dejected that I lost the tape (though it sucks that I did). Also, my current day job is in the employ of the News Corporation, the company that owns FOX and all it's subsidiaries, a fact which has a small importance to this interview.

This interview was conceived of as a co-venture between YanktheChain.com and the Basement Internet Show http://www.basementshow.net and the show's host, the Friendly Fascist, was the one who initially suggested it. You can listen to a RealAudio stream of this interview, along with the rest of TFF's latest show by looking at the basementshow.net website archives


YanktheChain: Do you think the corporations are more powerful then the members of government?

Jello Biafra: The members of government are members of corporate government. Y'know, they know that their first obligation is to the wealthy who put them where they are and bought them through so-called "soft-money" and all them big P.A.C. contributions. I mean, even the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform bill doesn't go far enough, if you really want to reform campaign finance do what they do in Canada and Europe and limit the amount of campaign time to six weeks, and put "none of the above" on every ballot, so that if over half the people vote for "none of the above" they have to run a new election with all new candidates. That'll put a lot of these assholes out of office rather quickly.

Q: Are there any countries that have "none of the above" on their ballots right now?

Biafra: At one point they had it in Russia when they first started having elections, and over a thousand elections had to be re-run.

Q: So, do you think there's any likelihood of anything like that happening in the United States?

Biafra: It's on the ballot in Nevada, but "none of the above" has never won an election. They had a ballot initiative for that in California this June, but it lost, in part because it was so toothless. If "none of the above" won, then "none of the above" won and that was as far as the law went. There was nothing in there about having to re-run the election with all new candidates.

Q: Will you run for any lower offices, other then President, such as congress or the senate or governor?

Biafra: I have no idea. I mean, part of what doing this with the Green Party means is I can't just go tromping all over them and make it the Jello Biafra publicity agenda. We're working to build a party here, and seeing as how Reform is gonna probably be gone after this election, Buchanon and reform canceling each other out, hooray, hooray, the Greens are in the prime position to be THE third party in this country. Plus, there's a good agenda, instead of the yahoo agenda, the yahoo weaslings that passed for an agenda in the Reform Party.

Q: But the Green Party has no people in any political positions in the national government right now. Don't you think it would be more advantageous for them to get people in smaller roles before they tried to get the Presidency?

Biafra: I think it's both, I mean, the Nader candidacy is working for the Greens from the top down, while the Greens running for local offices and in many cases winning the past few years are building the party from the ground up. So it works both ways, and if Nader made a real big splash in the fall, that's gonna inspire a lot more people to go Green and run in the 2002 elections. Imagine how cool it would be if there were enough Greens in state legislatures and Congress to become the swing vote, where it would work almost like a parliamentary system, where either party had to adopt some of their ideas or they couldn't get anything passed.

Q: Do you think that people who work for corporations have a responsibility to try and sabotage the corporation from within?

Biafra: It depends on the behavior of the corporation, but most corporations didn't become large corporations by being nice people.

Q: Well, let's say, the News Corporation?

Biafra: Boy, would I love to see some joker figure somewhere, hack their satellite system.

Q: But do you think they have a responsibility, is my question. Do you think that they should, otherwise they're not doing right?

Biafra: I don't want to put it in black and white fundamentalist terms where it's like the more radical-then-thou are the only people who are doing right, and if you don't do as much as I do you're against everything, I mean, that's bullshit. It turns people off to good ideas as badly as fundamentalist Christians do. I mean, there's fundamentalist radicals, fundamentalist punks, fundamentalist vegans, I think we all know a few of that. Fundamentalism is poison. So, we do what we can and doing something is better then doing nothing. But it also means picking up actions and a life style you can live with and live up to, instead of something that makes you miserable to the point where you cross over to the other side 'cause you don't see any other way out 'cause you see stuff in too much of a black and white way because you're a radical fundamentalist. I try to encourage people to get away from that. I mean, there's a side of me that's a decadent rock-and-roller as hell, and some people don't like that, but that's me too.

Q: So, do you think there's something inherent in the concept of the corporation that is bad, or do you think that it's something that people who have been in charge of corporations have done?

Biafra: It's another example of a good idea being seized by the wrong people and used against us. In the nineteenth century, the laws governing corporations were very different, they had charters that had to be renewed every few years with public hearings. That, of all laws, needs to be brought back in the worst kind of way.

Q: What do you think about the Microsoft break-up ruling?

Biafra: I haven't followed it that closely, I mean, it's a complicated legal issue and I've been mired in my own complicated legal issue, but people have been comparing Bill Gates to John D. Rockafeller for years; I think there's a reason for that.

Q: So, does this lawsuit end all chances of a Dead Kennedys reunion?

Biafra: That was over a long time ago for a variety of reasons. I'm not sure any of us really wanted to do it, and I was very much against it because I think nostalgia is poison. I mean, back in the days when people now labeled old-school where in fact blowing up the school, one of things we felt was that we were a little bit hipper and a little more cynical then those who came before us, and weren't going to fall for the stupid retro nostalgia act. I mean, in the late seventies, fifties nostalgia was everywhere. "Happy Daze" spelled D-A-Z-E if you want were about. But now, that might be why I kind of get sickened by Punk Rock's Fonzies who sometimes actively heckle bands that are trying to do something new with Punk Rock, and say "why don't you sound more like the old street Punk bands?" or something. Y'know, there's all these rules now that weren't there then, and I didn't write those songs to give people sedative entertainment to give people exactly what they want and nothing they don't expect.

Q: Is Punk dead?

Biafra: Unfortunately, not. I mean, neither is Swing music, so it all comes around in circles, and thankfully Punk has been enough of an underground thing for so long that even when the bigger bands get co-opted by corporations, there's still enough people who are smart enough to spend their time supporting good, underground band instead of spending all their time moaning and groaning about Green Day and Bad Religion and the Offspring and Rancid going commercial and all. Y'know, if you don't like that then blow 'em off and support the underground people and I try to support the ones who take chances with their music, even if all it means is playing virtually the same Punk Rock only a little more extreme. Even that is better then trying to sound exactly like a '77 Punk Rock record. The formula retro bands are no more interesting to me then Sha-Na-Na.

Q: Do you think that the underground now is just good as the underground was in the past?

Biafra: It can't really be compared, I mean it was more diverse earlier because the small number of different kinds of mutants who were all united in wanting to destroy seventies culture, and re-open consciousness on issues that the yuppies went to sleep on. But bottom line it was always more entertainment then movement. It could spawn movements, but Punk was never a fucking movement. You can't call something as diverse as, like, in the early days Blondie and the Talking Heads being called Punk, all the way up to Bad Brains, the Circle Jerks, Survival Research Lab, or, oh, I don't know, Blink 182, all being labeled Punk. That is not one movement. Add Crass in there somewhere, too, in the middle, I forgot the other extreme. So it's basically, it's more diverse now, which is good and bad, I mean, there's more and more people getting off their butt and trying to create music then ever before, but less and less of them seem to be pushing themselves to do something new that genuinely shocks the shit out of people.

Q: Who was the first musician to influence you?

Biafra: I got turned on to rock music almost by mistake when I was seven years old. In 1965, my father was just twirling the dial of the radio to find something that would make me go to sleep, and as soon as I heard rock and roll there was no stopping me. It was during the height of Beatlemania and the British invasion, but I gravitated toward the harder, heavier music going on then, you know, the early Rolling Stones, the good Rolling Stones, and Paul Revere and the Raiders, who don't get the credit they deserve for spearheading the American '60s garage sound.

Growing up in a family that listened to almost nothing but classical music had its effects, as well. "California Über Alles," the first Dead Kennedys single, was inspired musically more by Japanese Kabuki than anything else.

In many ways, I have no idea what would have become of me if punk hadn't happened, because the '70s turned out to be so stale, and so boring, and so backward compared to what had come just before. We were too young to have fully experienced the '60s and the fervor of the anti-war movement.

And some of the people who had caused so much trouble for what used to be called the establishment were opening overpriced hanging plant stores on the downtown mall and becoming the early versions of hippie capitalists.

Then punk happened. And I saw the Ramones, early on at a country-rock palace in Denver. They were opening for some record-company band, so the local music establishment, and I emphasize the word "establishment," was there in force, and the handful of us who knew the Ramones were up in front. And half the fun was, you know, not only were the Ramones the most powerful band I had ever seen at that point, but they made it look so simple--that anyone could do it, hell, even I could do it. This is what I should be doing.

Q: So what did you get out of this realization?

Biafra: What I got out of that immediately was that now, all of a sudden, rock music had become a spectator sport, that corporate labels and their bands were the new establishment, and punk was there to fight them the way the activist hippies must have fought what the establishment must have been ten years before. And it was interesting to see the reactions in different parts of the country.

In San Francisco, most of the older activists, especially at Berkeley, were very hostile towards punks. The music, certainly, wasn't nice and mellow for them, and neither was our look or our attitude. While in Vancouver, the two most important early punk bands, D.O.A. and the Subhumans, were both managed by former yippie activists, who saw this as a logical extension of what they were already doing.

Q: There's always been a strong element of theater in your work. You've mentioned that you're trained in method acting. Do you use any of those techniques today?

Biafra: I've used it in more ways than I first realized. A lot of the best acting training I had was in junior high and high school. We had very demanding directors and did real plays. You put our plays up against any theater troupe of any age, and they usually did pretty damn well.

I later used that in acting out different characters within the songs. From the beginning, there was so much pressure in the early San Francisco punk scene for everyone to be different than everyone else, to flaunt your intelligence and insights instead of every band sounding alike, like what plagues punk music in particular today.

Method acting has had a major influence both in writing through the eyes of other people, and seeing through the eyes of other people, trying to address different ideas in a way that would go beyond preaching to the choir.

Also, looking back, I didn't realize until years later what a huge influence Red Skelton was in my stage demeanor with the band. I mean, I always liked things that were funny, and later I realized that having a sly sense of humor was a way to get attention and even respect in school. And so I guess there's been a strong influence of different comedians: Red Skelton to Bullwinkle cartoons, and later on George Carlin, who's still pretty good.

Q: Finish this sentence: I was the kid in class who ...

Biafra: I was the kid in the class who was looking for the angles to question things or make wise-ass remarks, not knowing enough to be afraid of being myself or showing intelligence. But I wasn't the only kid like that in my classes because of where I grew up. I'm really thankful I grew up in a town where there were a lot of other mutant kids. I'm from Boulder, Colorado, which went through a lot of dramatic changes when I was growing up. But because there was a university there, plus several scientific research centers, there were a lot of professors' and scientists' kids, who were very intelligent, very questioning, and often a little odd.

When my sixth grade teacher opened the class with subtle praise for the guardsmen shooting four people to death at Kent State, I'd given up arguing with her by that point. But I was very riled up inside and vowed that I would never forget that.

Things like that happened in class every day. In the early part of the year we were drilled on why America is such a great free country, and the Chicago riot conspiracy trial--Chicago Eight, later Chicago Seven--was going on at the same time. So me and another person in the class were saying, hey, but wait, but wait, the police are not always our friend.

Finally, the boyfriend of the student music teacher came in: "Hey, kids, this is a real Air Force pilot." I asked him something to the effect of how it felt to be dropping bombs on children in Vietnamese villages. And it got very icy in there all of a sudden, and finally the teacher said, "Oh, well, Eric reads a lot of newspapers. Next question."

Q: How old were you when that happened?

Biafra: Eleven. Another part of what gave me a questioning, rabble-rousing, activist heart and soul is that when all these heavy events went down, my parents did not shelter the kids from it. I'm appalled at how many people my age, or even five or ten years younger, have no tangible memories of important history that happened when we were growing up.

I was born in the late '50s, was a child of the '60s, then the '70s, then the '80s, then the '90s, and I have mental fingers in all those pies. News footage came on the TV during dinner of bloody bodies coming back from battle in Vietnam, or the race riots in the South, people getting hosed in Selma, Alabama, or the Biafra war, where I got my name. In my household, it was explained and discussed with the children, as a way of educating us from when we first started grade school why racism and war were wrong, what this all really means.

Q: There's a school of thought post-September 11 among child psychologists that a child's television viewing should be kept to a minimum. What do you think?

Biafra: The problem is they've already seen it; it's already being discussed in schools, and who knows what kind of exaggerations and horror stories are taking place? It's important that all issues like this be right out in the open. It's very irresponsible as a parent to follow Tipper Gore or the Religious Right's advice and just take the offending CD or game away from the kid without discussing it. It's better to just sit down and discuss the offending item person to person. It means there's much more open dialogue and closeness within the family, instead of creating all these artificial divisions.

To this day, we get letters at Alternative Tentacles.com from young teenagers who hide their Dead Kennedys albums behind their mirror or in the mattress of their bed. Wouldn't it be better if the parents just discussed this with the kids instead of creating this culture of sneaking and dishonesty within the family? The moral of the story being, you don't hide reality from your kids because then they grow up to be smarter, more aware adults.

Q: Would you describe your work as poetry, commentary, theater, performance art, or all of the above?

Biafra: I would say all of the above. I realized very early on that, sure enough, I wasn't much of a poet, but people were really zeroing in on my sick sense of humor and all the buried information I was weaving into the work. Such as the early piece "Why I'm Glad the Space Shuttle Blew Up," which, of course, was a deliberately shocking title to put the value back into shock value.

The point I was trying to make was quite serious, in that the next shuttle scheduled to go up would have had over forty pounds of plutonium on it, and if that one had blown in the same point in the atmosphere that the Challenger blew, there would have been enough, according to the literature I was reading at the time, plutonium dust in the atmosphere to kill as many as several billion people, not to mention an awful lot of critters.

Q: Shock Value. What is the value of shock?

Biafra: The value of shock is to stir the sediment in the brain, and wake people up. All my different kinds of artwork have been designed to inspire people to think. They may not always agree with me, but at least they will have some feelings and some passion about whatever it is I'm bombarding them with at the moment. I also think there's plenty of room, even in the most serious activist circles, for humor. Humor can be very effective both to inspire, and as a weapon. Just ask Frank Zappa and Charlie Chaplin.

Q: Do you see any artists today who are, as you once said, "slipping inside the villains"?

Biafra: I don't know whether I see it as slipping inside the villains, but part of what makes Ralph Nader and Michael Moore such effective speakers and communicators is that they know how corporate culture works, how our lawmaking bodies really work, and where the bones are buried.

And in the case of Michael Moore, (Writer for Movie:Bowling for Columbine), having a deep, I'd even say passionate, understanding of other types of people in America who might be progressive thinkers without even realizing it. They see the same things we do from a very different lens. I suspect even a large part of Rush Limbaugh's audience buys into what he says because it's the same basic frustration that forms this wedge of discontent in this country called "Why can't I put food on the table?"

Q: In 1997, the ad agency FCB Worldwide approached the Dead Kennedys requesting permission to use "Holiday in Cambodia" in a Levi's Dockers commercial. What was your first response when you heard that?

Biafra: I got pretty frightened because it became obvious that my former band members, who should know better, seemed to be all for the idea. And the motivation turned out to be sheer greed. Those songs were not created to shill for corporate products. When "Search and Destroy" by the Stooges came on as a Nike shoe commercial, I got physically sick. That song meant the world to me, and I didn't feel this was the way it ought to be used.

But it wasn't just the political reasons that made turning down that Levi's commercial a no-brainer. It was having to live with the sheer nausea of having what was probably my favorite song the Dead Kennedys ever did used in a commercial that nauseated me. I would hate to have "Holiday in Cambodia" become as tiresome to other people as hearing "Like a Rock" in a Chevrolet commercial.

As an individual artist, somebody had to draw the line and say, "No. This music is not for you. We don't want your dirty money."

Q: Your sixth spoken-word album is called "Become the Media." How do you become the media?

Biafra: I would say there's been a huge widening of the do-it-yourself 'zine culture that may be the best gift punk has given the world, even more than all the cool music. It widened further when Riot Grrrl happened, and now it's caught on to the point where even high school students are publishing their own 'zines about their school, or about the education system itself. There's a great one out of either Louisville or Lexington, Kentucky, called Brat, and I don't know if it still exists or not. I hope it does. What impressed me the most was it had quickly moved on from the "Why School Sucks" articles to "This is how we who are actually going to school right now feel the education system could be reformed."

One of the best things that's come out of the Seattle protests is the birth of the Independent Media Center. It's not as though the independent media movement wasn't already there, but it's given it another jump-start. There's the feeling that not only should we report on our underground culture and our own situation, but now we have to start telling people what's really going on at a time when everything from CNN to USA Today is as tightly controlled as Tass or the Cold-War Russian Pravda.

We've never had a situation where mass media has been so censored, at least in my lifetime. When I was younger, networks like NBC, CBS, were independently owned, and took their jobs as journalists seriously. There used to be documentaries like "The Selling of the Pentagon." There was another one detailing the connections between the harsh treatment of workers in Florida's citrus groves and Coca- Cola. PBS even had a series on for a little while called "The Nader Report." You don't see stuff like that now. So we have to replace that by communicating among ourselves.

Q: From an activist perspective, how does the current atmosphere compare to other periods?

Biafra: As a human being with notoriety and a big mouth, I've felt most threatened during the first Bush Administration. Whenever there's a Bush in the White House, many people die, and the rest of us are threatened. I just didn't think it would happen quite so quickly. The so-called USA Patriot Act, and the announcement of trying people in military tribunals if Bush or Rumsfeld's or Ashcroft's people think they somehow qualify as terrorists, basically, this is McCarthyism run amok. You know, it doesn't take much stretching of the imagination to see where they intend to go with this. It wasn't that long ago that we rounded up thousands of immigrants and labor activists and jailed them for the crime of publicly opposing World War I. I fear this may be what they have in mind again. Already rightwing punditoids and the prime minister of Italy have claimed anti-globalization protesters are terrorists.

At the same time, I never expected the movement against globalization and corporate rule to mushroom as quickly as it has, either. And right now the strongest electoral arm of that movement is the Green Party. I try to stress to people cynical about voting that the Greens are the most effective electoral arm of the so-called Spirit of Seattle, and it's great fun to cause trouble in the streets, but that's not going to accomplish much without insurrection in the voting booth at the same time.

Q: Where do you find hope?

Biafra: The sheer numbers and impact of the Seattle protests and what came after them gave me a lot of hope that this may be the beginning of a very long fight that could quite seriously turn the tide of corporate feudalism. I went to Seattle as just another geek in the food chain, thinking, "Well, in my own puny little way, I'd rather be a part of history than just sit and watch it on TV." So, the fact that so many people are starting to ask the right questions and rack their brains for solutions does give me hope.

I think one of the beauties so far of the so-called Spirit of Seattle is there aren't any leaders, pop stars, or guru figures that everyone else is falling in line with and following. No Mandela, Havel, or Subcomandante Ski Mask riding in on a white horse and everybody else just wanting to follow them to the promised land. We're stitching it together and doing it ourselves.

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Posted by Mech @ 11/18/2002 04:58 AM EST

Good idea, vox! and bravo to Sean Penn.
Peace, Kathleen

Posted by Kathleen Beatty @ 11/18/2002 08:24 AM EST

Damn, Spicoli for president!

Posted by Darren Drake @ 11/18/2002 12:17 PM EST


Voxfux, I see that grammar, spelling and logical thought are not your strong suits. For you to actually long for a world where the likes of Barbara Streisand and Woody Harrelson call the shots makes one question your sanity as well.

VOX RESPONSE ANNOTATION: Nice try, well scott how many millions of readers read your articles? The grammer is fine, the spelling is atrocious, but I can't be bothered with all the details, I think you get the drift of my articles mr anal retentive. You aparantly got so caught up in the trees that you failed to see the forest. The point of article was not to elect Barbara Streisand president - dummy. But one question if my stuff is so awefull, so bad, so evil and so wrong why are glued to every word I write, what does that make you?

Posted by Scott @ 11/18/2002 12:18 PM EST

You can't be this naive. Movie stars to the rescue? You better catch that one at the theatre.

You crashed to earth today, dude.


Posted by Ian Walker @ 11/18/2002 12:22 PM EST

why what for someone else to do it? why don't a small group of "knowledgeable" individuals craft a plan to rise to some type of public stature & then set the ball in motion. If these secret orgs. can do this, we can too.

Posted by a thought @ 11/18/2002 01:33 PM EST

Your late again Vox been there done that we did movie stars and politcs the greatest of our time Ronald Reagan. It's your timing pal
your like a hangover from last nights drunk you pack your bags and take all those broken liberals and follow Baldwin straight out of the country.

VOX RESPONSE ANNOTATION: First of all don't call me pal, you are not my pal, I couldn't get into any of my favorite clubs if I was hanging out with you. Because I am sure that you wear your ignorance like a glaring light for all to see - IGNORANCE.

You are the problem and I guarantee you are no soldier. Nobody is packing any bags. We are, however, working hard to expose your type for what you are - Animals. We are finer and more deserving to lead this planet. Please die soon - Pal.

Posted by Unknown Jerk @ 11/18/2002 02:25 PM EST

dear vox,
keep up the good work i find you one of few good sources of true information.

god knows how we are in great needs for good people like you,

Posted by david @ 11/18/2002 07:15 PM EST

You guys don't get it. Vox is making a statement about our current condition, He's not saying that the only ones who can save us is movie stars, what he's saying is that our society is so fucked up that probably Movie Stars whould be as good and anyone to "Save the Republic."

You guys are like little wads of shit hanging off of vox's ass hairs.

Keep up the good work vox.


Posted by COTDC @ 11/18/2002 07:18 PM EST

Yes Vox, I agree whole heartedly. I have many ideas on how to help stop the NWO and your article concept here is one of them.

There are plenty of stars out there who would be willing to do something like you are talking about. A potential list of folks who could speak out are:

1)Dave Muistain of Megadeth, who has a song called the NWO. I know what his stance is on similar issues and I'm sure he would be willing to say something or participate in some manner.
2)Pearce Brosnan (spelling?)
3)jacques Cousteau
4)Woody H.
5)Alec Baldwin
6)Eddy Vedar of Pearl Jam-perhaps the rest of his band too

*There are many more, this is just off the top of my head.
The music scene would probably contain many more potential people then the movie industry but i could be wrong.

I think NOW its imperative that we wage campaigns of information in a different manner. Start emailing people with titles such as "If you love America read this", or something similar. Provide links in the emails to sites such as
in the emails, Or links to the free version of Alex Jones 2+ hour documentary:

Also distribute related material like that film and written documents on places like Kazaa and Morpheus. Either list them as incredible pieces of 9-11 evidence or mislabel them as some kind of sex video etc....whatever it takes to get people to download and watcht them, and possibly distribute them.

The internet is one of the only battlefields we are on a level playing field with the NWO, and i suggest we use it NOW, because we might not have it for too much longer.

i will post more on this and include names of other people we could possibly contact after i think about it some more and have more time. I'm at work right now ;)
i was going to start a topic @the libery.org forums on this type of subject. hope to see you there. I will have the same username.

Posted by NWOKiller @ 11/18/2002 07:19 PM EST

Excellent Idea Vox! It is of course the thing Americans hold dear. Movie stars and even supermodels are more powerful than presidents. At least with the American people. Movie stars are American royalty. Anyone who doesn't know that, has had his head stuck in the ground for the past sixty years.

BRING ON THE MOVIE STARS. And vox, good health to you and much respect for your words of truth.

Posted by Barbara Bush @ 11/18/2002 07:44 PM EST

i don't think that bush is someone you can reach out to and convince to change his mind on anything. i realize sean penn is well intentioned or whatever, but get real here... we are dealing with a nazi who probably has no soul and he could care less if the whole world went to hell, including the united states... you can't try to talk sense to people like bush, they have to be taken out... the only way that i see is by making sure he's not re-elected... don't say, 'if you do this sir, we will stand by you', etc, etc. just work on getting this murderer out and the world will be a better place...

Posted by Jesus Christ @ 11/18/2002 08:59 PM EST

Hollywood's gonna save us, eh?

What a complete load of horseshit puked up by a coward suffering from low self-esteem, no doubt comforted by the best money can buy as he dictates armchair policies.

Another dimwitted lefty-liberal with dreams of too much smoke blown into weeping assholes that make up your kind.
Hollywood is full of left wing morons hypnotized by socialism, with every other 'star' unable to clean up their own backyard as they tell us how to live & what to drive.

W ownes all you pathetic crybabies trying to show how kewl & l33t you are by conformity through rebellion. Burn a tire and celebrate, your time is over.

I hope America wakes up and realizes YOU left wing pussies are the real danger to the American family & way of life, lurking in schools & government, twisting rules & laws to suit your agenda.
Id personally sign up to go door to door pulling you from your homes, its not like you havent made yourself known on the world wide web about how you feel, right?

"Go door to door.""Pulling you from your homes." Listen up you NAZI fuck, you get yourself down to the lower east side of New York City right now you little fuckin' coward and try to pull us "Left Wing Pussies" out of our doors. You're a coward - and nothing more. I'll meet you ANY time anywhere - you piece of shit.

Posted by Wisdom of a Pig @ 11/18/2002 10:47 PM EST

No doubt such a wise & cunning left wing pussy like yourself could find a lil ole hick like me, right?
Well, the first place I would look is on a farm - I'd keep my eye peeled for a very bloated disgusting pig whom would stand out like a sore thumb in the East Village.
I mean, with the Army of inhaler-using sissies ??? assembled here, your powers should be awe-inspiring.

Give it up. You sissies had your chance to save us with alternative fuels and flowers instead of guns, but it didnt work did it?
America has rejected you & your ilk and it would take an incredibly dense nerd to miss that one.
Go try to peddle your shit in another country, comrade.

Nazi? Isnt that word (label) reserved for those that would dare to question the always-innocent Israel? Call me what you will.

I am coming for you and quickly.

You wrote, "I am coming for you and quickly." - Coming Quickly Huh? Better get that looked at.... coward. creep.
O.K. Here goes you piece of shit. I'll be at Max Fish Friday night. If you're comming so quickly I'll see you there. And don't worry about introductions, I'll see a piece of shit like you comming a mile away. Do you know why? Because you are incapable of cloaking your obvious pigishness. You will be the ugliest thing within miles. See you friday pig, if you have the balls.

Posted by Wisdom of a Pig @ 11/18/2002 11:59 PM EST

Its a quote from this really, really old book. Can you guess which one it may be?
A very wise and powerful being spoke it.
Something else about a long sword from the mouth, but im guessing you can figure it out, what with this fancy site & all.

Posted by Wisdom of a pig @ 11/19/2002 12:58 AM EST

Vox, why don't you just shit can this jerk, he's just a religious fanatic, he is taking away from the forum. He's just a nutcase, just ignore him, he'll eventually move along.

Vox, your work is of profound significance I hate to see you divert energy to blusterers like this.

Posted by Just an Thought. @ 11/19/2002 01:17 AM EST

Yea, vox, don't even bother with this guy, let this twit talk to himself, I mean "Wisedom of a Pig" really says it all.


Posted by Terry @ 11/19/2002 01:43 AM EST

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