Hi vox--Since the death of Sen. Wellstone followed by the "elections" I have noticed a change in the comments posted here--more attacks on your articles--and more doubting in those basically aware of what is going on. I am wondering if people are going into a kind of state of shock--I sometimes wonder, as I am walking around my town where kids are skateboarding, old people are standing on corners chatting, everyone driving around in their cars (a lot of new ones), if I am only imagining what I KNOW is coming down--get caught up for a brief time in the collective mass sheep sleep (apologies to sheep).
A state of shock is the only explanation I can come up with for this doubting of this warning about Thailand bombing--AFTER THE PASSAGE OF THE HOMELAND "SECURITY" BILL HOW CAN ANY AMERICAN CITIZEN ENTERTAIN ANY DOUBTS ABOUT JUST HOW FAR THESE INSANELY POWER-OBSESSED MEGALOMANIACS WILL GO TO ACHIEVE THEIR ENDS? A bombing in Thailand is NOTHING compared to what is in store for the American people UNLESS WE WAKE UP!
Still dreaming of a world at peace, Kathleen Beatty

Posted by Kathleen Beatty @ 11/20/2002 07:50 PM EST

P.S.:(Hi vox)--Did not mean to make light of a bombing in Thailand--what is planned for the USA is planned for the whole world--and any engineered attack anywhere in the world is reprehensible, and ultimately any such attack is one on all that is good about being human on this planet that could be a paradise.
Peace, Kathleen Beatty

Posted by Kathleen Beatty @ 11/20/2002 08:50 PM EST

Speaking of Homeland Security. I feel SOOO much safer now that a "conservative" president has succeeded in his bid to create the largest beauracracy in the history of beauracracy. I mean the next step is for the emperor to dissolve the council permenantly. Then the regional governors can have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line... fear of this battlestation. How then will I make my SUV payments? The horror!!!

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 11/20/2002 08:52 PM EST

Thanks for the heads up Vox. I've been here in Bangkok
for nine years now. I was wondering when the shoe would drop on Thailand, like you say, it's too easy pickings. All we can really do is shout loudly enough that if it happens, it will assuredly be a US backed venture. Fortunately that is no longer a "Crazy," "Loony," "Nutty," "Conspitacy thoery," any more - Pretty much the whole world knows what America is up to. People actually are quite disposed to understand that the US is not in their best interests. The problem is, that before they attack they have in place a "Friendly" in that respective local government who will, on cue, relay to their own people the CIA disinformation about how this must be another Al Queda Terrorist strike and you are either with us or against us. Media Psy-ops are so effective and in the confusion of an attack even people who are skeptical of a the US covert schemes can easily be taken in by a well placed Local Government official (CIA Mole) who will step up to the podium and give the CIA version of events to the people.

Steve McDonell

Posted by Steve McDonell @ 11/20/2002 09:32 PM EST

From Bangkok post

Thais doubt bin Laden the culprit

US agenda dividing world into two camps

Anucha Charoenpo

...leaders in Thailand do not believe Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaeda movement were responsible for the Sept 11 attacks in the United States, and instead see the US using the event to disunite the world.

Chidchanok Rahimmula, a political science lecturer from Prince of Songkhla University, said the US hurriedly wanted to find a ``scapegoat'' for the incident and tried to convince the world it was the work of bin Laden and al-Qaeda.

``Any country disagreeing with the US is treated as an enemy of the US, prompting countries to be divided into two camps. The US imposed economic sanctions on opposing countries while they were more flexible with allies on economic matters to secure their support for their anti-terrorism (Global Conquest)agenda.''

``The United States cannot so far find reliable and supporting evidence to show the international community that the attacks were really the work of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda members.

Adul Alihamad, an Islamic leader in Narathiwat, said the US had also tried to link terrorist groups in Southeast Asia to al-Qaeda to convince countries in the region to side with it.

Posted by Charoenpo @ 11/20/2002 09:35 PM EST

From Bangkok American ex-pat

Okay Nostrodamus, thanks for the warning. We all know damn well that a bomb can go off at any time here, the Bali bomb could have easily been here instead. Please don’t flatter yourself with being the one that makes this insightful, heroic warning. My point was to focus on the bigger picture such as spreading truths and accurate information, thus avoiding any unnecessary damage to the Thai people and their fragile economy in the event that we do continue to enjoy peace. I know these real life issues may be beyond your thick megalomaniac skull.

As for who would be behind a bombing here in Thailand, I have no doubt it would be funded and executed by the bush administration. You are preaching to the choir if you think you need to convince me of that, outside of America I find it common knowledge that bush and the CIA are behind these "terrorist attacks".

I have to admit though that it has been nice living here in Thailand, away from all the madness and the constant propaganda that surrounds me when I am home in the states. Ignorance is bliss. Maybe that time is gone...

If your accurate depiction of the upcoming events has deterred this bombing, I thank you for preserving my livelihood as you have claimed to do -you are my fucking hero and I will owe you a big night out on the town when all of this blows over.

Perpetuate the Truth.

Rich

Posted by rich @ 11/20/2002 11:24 PM EST

This comment relates to the piece you wrote with about the apparantly immanent dirty bomb. Also some general feedback.

What about the elections being fixed. Why have you said nothing about the Wealthy republican donors who own the companies that manufacture the touch screen voting machines.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying but is it really neccesary to be so insulting to people who dont agree with you. You will only alianate people with abusive language. My site traffic has doubled each month since June - Apparantly sombody likes it - You're reading it.You also seem to be rather dismissive of religion and spirituality. Spirituality good - Organized religions BADI think some you would find meditation very helpful for controlling your temper. Fuck you, hows that for alienation, don't patronize me, jerk, or I'll lump you in with all the other spam I get from the intelligence agencies. Your comment is exactly the kind of patronizing shit that paid NSA spammers post and think they are clever and being a really good "Disrupter" and "Time Waster". This is a war forum, not a meditation forum. If you need peace and quiet - get yourself out to the country, if you want to wake the fuck up - you come to me. And regarding meditation, I first started meditating in Bali 15 years ago. Of course it's getting harder and harder to find spiritual paradises anymore BECAUSE OUR CRUSADERS ARE FUCKING THEM ALL UP - Meditate on that.When you are being ruled by anger and hate you have no right to claim moral superiority over the bush cabal and friends(democrats are no better they are just more subtle). The teachings of jesus and buddha have a lot to offer. I just think you could have a much broader appeal if you toned down the Ego and Grandstanding. Like I said before, my traffic is doubling as we speak. People are sick and tired of the LIES - Dirty words work just fine in attacking lies and liars.I agreed with what you said about Noam C not thinking outside the box. But when you refuse to debate rationaly when people raise fair No I only attack idiotic - posts, never intelligent posts. I can't stand when someone asks me for dumb things that they can get from google. And I can't believe how many people like you are so presumptious as to think I am here to serve your every whim and request - If you've got dumb and simplistic questions - take it to google and leave me alone. Think of me as a starting place. My job is to shatter your illusions, and expose these fanatics WHO ARE DESTROYING THE PLANET FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL GAIN. it is then your responsibility to help yourself and rebuild your shattered lives.(to them) issues,you are making people angry which causes minds to close. People need to persauded through logical debate, not through personal abuse. But most people have to be shocked out of their trance, it's so all encompassing I think sometimes you need to try and be empathic towards others and try and put yourself in their shoes. Let me worry about how to break through people's stultifying indoctrination - You just keep reading... if you know what's good for you.

Kind Regards

Oliver

P.S

I don't expect this to be posted but I would appreciate a reply.

Posted by Oliver @ 11/21/2002 01:41 AM EST

It seems there's a lot of folks concerning themselves with vox's modality of communicating. So I'm going to weigh in here. Vox, your writing is the best writing I have seen in a very ling time, PLEASE do not change a thing. I still have not begun to touch the surface of this site and I am convinced that you may be the best and last hope to revive a tradition that is long lost. I was a big fan of Hunter Thompson for a long time, and now I am yours.

Keep it safe my brother.
Keep on writing
Any chance for a book soon???

Posted by Kenneth Branson @ 11/21/2002 02:54 AM EST

Bush is nothing but an insecure war mongral

Posted by Rob @ 11/21/2002 04:30 AM EST

let's hope you're wrong on thailand vox, but the evidence weighs on your side... thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis, say hegallian dialectic.

Posted by loner @ 11/21/2002 05:51 AM EST

go VOX!, tell the sheeple how it is, i've been blown away for the last two years while i've ben finding out about these bastards. It's big, and it's been going for a damn long time, this is the end game. they have the technology and firepower to force their will on all people. china will get hers soon enough, as will all countries.

Posted by robbie @ 11/21/2002 06:06 AM EST

The prediction articles are my favorites...I never saw Thailand, specifically, as the next target and will be interested to see it play out. Two things:

1. Why would the US do this now, when the Iraq thing is just coming to a head? Isn't that starting a war on two fronts (historically bad)?

2. You claim that the purpose of the article is to prevent the attack. Fair enough. But if you do successfully prevent the attack (a big if), we never see "Bangkok Bombed" headlines and you become a boy that cried wolf. Also, your successful pre-emptive attack doesn't change the strategy they are using. They march right along in their conquering.

(Even so, the predictions remain a favorite.)

Peace the fuk out!

Posted by MisterE @ 11/21/2002 09:12 AM EST

i spent 1973 and 1974 at nakhon phanom thailand. im 48 yrs old and does anyone have a job in thailand for me. im retired railroad burlington northern business owner
have a radio dj degree from the defunked columbia school of broadcasting usaf vet hard worker please contact me if anyone needs a good american employee.
thanks, lenny from ft worth tx

Posted by lenny landingham @ 11/21/2002 10:48 AM EST

Hi there Vox,

I'm new to your site but not to the content. It is heartening to see sites such as your own and Jeff Rense spreading the word. We here in the UK have to suffer the same media bias and spin bullshit, though to a much lesser degree than the US. Soon the world will wake and see for themselves just what exactly these murdering scumbags are up to ..

Yours in the search for truth and justice

J

Posted by James Law @ 11/21/2002 12:26 PM EST

Dear vox, you're presience is indeed quite remarkable, I actually consider your site to be the only credible news site out there, (what really happens is quite good as well and I can see you mention it a couple of times in your writings) How can we build networks of free thought that can reach these thick numb sheep out there. I mean, the density of the ignorance in unfathomable. How can we break through?

Posted by John in Florida @ 11/21/2002 01:16 PM EST

Dear Vox;
In the light of current events,the world is spiraling toward a global government,and the United States is the superpower that is leading the way.Also,with all the radical changes in the laws and our legal system,the United States is headed to a police state.Who will lead next? Great Britain?

Posted by Woody in Tennessee @ 11/21/2002 03:11 PM EST

I'm a proud American who waves the US flag on my spacious front lawn. I have a right to water to make my lawn green, and I don't believe something as free as water can be lacking in parts of the world. I'm a secretary who earns 45,000 USD/year, but my husband is a lawyer and I work at his firm. I get manicures for free. My manicurist is always grouchy, but she's cheap for my husband's company (man that glue stinks). I drive to work in a Dodge Diesel 4x4 it sounds and looks impressive, and that's important because I have to have the neighbors hear me drive away in the morning. I have 2 children, but I miss them when I have to leave them with the nanny that was recommended by my husbands client. I don't know why my daughter autistic, I read once that it was the vaccinatins she got when she was a baby, but my husband says that libelous, so of course it's not true. Can you believe that my housekeeper wants $6/hour? She's from Mexico for pete's sake, you'd think she'd be happy with $6/day! But President Bush said he'd fix that for all of us struggling Moms when he invades Iraq so I can have a raise and afford a Dengali. I'd like that. Anyways, thanks for listening people, I'm sure you're doing a great job here, but I must go to my B.ush L.ikes I.slam N.uking D.emo

Posted by Brio @ 11/21/2002 03:18 PM EST

We salute you, truth-guiver. Beware, our worst enemy is always inside us, waiting. Keep up your good work and contribute to maintain the equilibrium just a little more, its all its needed, weels are already starting to rotate.

Posted by riversea @ 11/21/2002 03:23 PM EST

Love your site, Vox, not looking to get attacked in ALL CAPS. However, I must question your assertion that this is all being done by the Knights of Malta to bring back the power of the Pope. While I am well aware of the Knights and their malevolence, it appears to me that the Establishment powers have led a concerted attack through the media against the Church over the past year over the issue of pedophilia, which is hardly new. Why the attack, why now? Well, my theory is that they don't like the critiques of globalization and environmental destruction that the Pope has been putting out over the fast few years. If you are implying that they wish to put into power a more "business-friendly" Pope, then I think we are more on the same page.

Posted by Fahrd Nakir @ 11/21/2002 04:12 PM EST

ahh hey there Vox ... for the past week I have been shown the light by alot of websites lately .. I feel 'born' again ! ... please everyone lets spread the word to others, a new revolution in America (notice Australia is just another state of America ! lol) has to take place ... ignorance is bliss but that was my old life .. the path to evil is quick and easy .. the path to good is long and hard .. I am willing to take up the fight .. please Vox spread the word ... there are alot of other sites aswell .. if anyone else is new to this please find some great sites like www.whatreallyhappened.com and www.americanstateterrorism.com ... peace !!

Posted by Aussie @ 11/21/2002 04:34 PM EST

Nice theory Vox, I hear you, but why Bangkok? I am a Canadian who lived there for two years, in Pattaya. Two hours South of Bangkok. The holiday paradise for: Pedofiles, guys looking for sex with 12 year old ect ect. Where prostitution bars are attached to one another and go on for miles, to the north and the south. Where the Americans landed their ships to have a break from the Vietnam war. Where it is Loaded with tourisim, in every shape n form.
The muslims do not like such "Ungodly" going's on, especialy when it involves so many Americans and other nationalities too. My guess would be Pattaya.

Elizabeth

Posted by Elizabeth @ 11/21/2002 06:32 PM EST

Why Thailand I don't know, I find this hard to believe, it is not like Bali when the Australians afterwoods were coerced into signing a 'war on (some) terrosim' pact. (The area popular with US tourists was ignored in Bali for the australians). There is nthing that Thailand can offer to Bush and co, they already control them anyway.

Posted by me @ 11/21/2002 09:58 PM EST

this site rules,i love good stories.war makes watching the news fun.war eagle.

Posted by jim greenberg @ 11/21/2002 10:29 PM EST

i will rule the world,muhhhhhhaahhhaaaaaa

Posted by brad davis @ 11/21/2002 10:32 PM EST

Vox,

Out of curiosity, has anybody, in all the numerous response you've recieved, every made a good point contrary to your views? Changed your mind? Caused you to realize what you thought might have been inaccurate, incomplete or just plain wrong?

Cheers,
Observer

Posted by Observer @ 11/22/2002 12:26 AM EST

Xxein,could you name those 5 US military installations in Thailand? Thanks.

Posted by DannyMo @ 11/22/2002 02:50 AM EST

Darren Drake represents my view of the alternate media. If only part of all the stories posted on vox, rense, FTW, skolnick are true we are still in big trouble.

Posted by bovine @ 11/22/2002 06:25 AM EST

I wonder if all of the suicide bombers knew that they were suicide bombers? Perhaps, they were just carrying a package, not knowing it was a bomb, and it was detonated by a timer or by remote control. Or, perhaps, they were carrying a bomb thinking that they were going to plant the bomb and be long gone when it was detonated.

Gary Powers was supposed to be killed in his U-2 to avoid capture. Had he armed the destruct circuits or operated the ejection seat he would have been blown up with the aircraft.

Makes you wonder, don't it?

Posted by bovine @ 11/22/2002 06:34 AM EST

Xxein, reading comprehension, I said my son is MI, often works with CIA/NSA. He usually can and does tell where he's going. As for "word getting out", I doubt any comments from me go anywhere. Our billion$$$ Intel agencies had 20 hijackers plan, train, fund, and run a sophisticated, coordinated op without the CIA having a clue. The CIA is literally bragging these days about foreign operations.

Posted by mammasan @ 11/22/2002 03:20 PM EST

Vox,

There are alot of us that are following these things and a couple of websites that hold the truth. What I see is these things are going to happen because it is written, But I would like to hold them off a couple of generations.
The time is just about right for the anticrist and his cohort to raise their ugly heads and the abomination of desolation to take place. This country has been under assault and people being dumbed down for a long time. The snowball is already rolling down the hill making it harder to stop. But truth has a way of stopping the unstoppable. This makes you, me and all our patriot friends unique for just realizing the truth in these dark days. We must keep punching until we cant punch no more.

Thanks and write

Jerry

Posted by Jerry @ 11/23/2002 04:47 PM EST

what are your thoughts on the possible outcomes for the coming war betwean the usa and the peoples republic of china? when will it happen? what excuses are they going to give?
possibilities include-taiwan-weapons of mass destruction-helping n korea-tibet-supporting terrorism.

tc peng R.O.C.& U.K

Posted by tc peng @ 11/26/2002 07:53 AM EST

In the last few hours DEBKAfile counter-terror sources report a heightened volume of traffic over the Arabic Internet forums frequented by al Qaeda and its partisans. Most of the last messages end: “The zero hour has come.”

One particular release was aired three times today, all posted by “ARAMCO boy”. The last one to reach our sources was issued at 12:28 EST, 19:28 IST.

”Today, at 6:20 hours, there will be a surprise program, one of the most beautiful I have ever seen over our Qatari channel. Anyone who knows what I mean must tell no one so as to keep the surprise whose content everyone will love. Only God knows what I mean. The program forced me to write these lines at great speed and I ask God to forgive me and reserve Paradise and not Hell for me. The zero hour has come.”

According to DEBKAfile’s sources, these messages may be red herrings designed to confuse and mislead outside monitors. However, the source who picked up the latest batch was the first to detect and correctly interpret at least two such enigmatic messages in recent months as presaging the re-appearance of Osama bin Laden and his lieutenant Ayman Zuwahri after many months out of sight. They were followed by pre-recorded statements over al Jazeera satellite TV. The timing too is suggestive: Thursday, November 28, is Thanksgiving Day in the United States.

Also worth noting is that while messages over these forums usually draw responses, the one cited here went unanswered.

Posted by Didko @ 11/26/2002 10:45 PM EST

I wouldn't be too surprised to see this happen...but if it did...if they dare use Buddhism, it would be the most sickening thing yet.

Buddhism is probably the most peaceful philosphy on the planet.

I don't remember the name of the person...but one famous Buddhist once said (and I paraphrase)... "You will know when the end of Buddhism is coming, as all the great temples will have been long destroyed, and we will have been cast out."

I have a great deal of respect for these Buddhists. And there is no single arugement in existance that could justify an attack on these people by ANYONE. The Buddhists simply do nothing...so how could they be a valid target for anyone like Al-Qaeda. Only the Bush cabal would dare such a thing. And if that happens, we know without and doubt whatsoever that those that would do such a thing are evil beyond any shadow of a doubt.

Posted by To Know Nothing @ 11/27/2002 06:12 AM EST

vox, do you think the bomb in Kenya today is related to this??? The whole thing smells like rotting fish to me....

Posted by ewar @ 11/28/2002 06:20 AM EST

vox,can i have your address please?i would like to put you on the JDL mailing list.SHALOM&GWB IN 2004

Posted by pissed off jew @ 11/28/2002 11:28 PM EST

"The fact is that there is a serious danger of this country becoming a pluto-democracy; that is, a sham republic with the real government in the hands of a small clique of enormously wealthy men, who speak through their money, and whose influence, even today, radiates to every corner of the WORLD!!!!!!

Posted by askmorequestions @ 11/29/2002 05:50 AM EST

Their Agenda
TARGETS OF THE ILLUMINATI
AND
THE COMMITTEE OF 300
[ACCORDING TO DR. JOHN COLEMAN]

1. To establish a One World Government/New World Order with a unified church and monetary system under their direction. The One World Government began to set up its church in the 1920s and 30s, for they realized the need for a religious belief inherent in mankind must have an outlet and, therefore, set up a "church" body to channel that belief in the direction they desired.

2. To bring about the utter destruction of all national identity and national pride, which was a primary consideration if the concept of a One World Government was to work.

3. To engineer and bring about the destruction of religion, and more especially, the Christian Religion, with the one exception, their own creation, as mentioned above.

4. To establish the ability to control of each and every person through means of mind control and what Zbignew Brzezinski called techonotronics, which would create human-like robots and a system of terror which would make Felix Dzerzinhski's Red Terror look like children at play.

5. To bring about the end to all industrialization and the production of nuclear generated electric power in what they call "the post-industrial zero-growth society". Excepted are the computer- and service industries. US industries that remain will be exported to countries such as Mexico where abundant slave labor is available. As we saw in 1993, this has become a fact through the passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement, known as NAFTA. Unemployables in the US, in the wake of industrial destruction, will either become opium-heroin and/or cocaine addicts, or become statistics in the elimination of the "excess population" process we know of today as Global 2000.

6. To encourage, and eventually legalize the use of drugs and make pornography an "art-form", which will be widely accepted and, eventually, become quite commonplace.

7. To bring about depopulation of large cities according to the trial run carried out by the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia. It is interesting to note that Pol Pot's genocidal plans were drawn up in the US by one of the Club of Rome's research foundations, and overseen by Thomas Enders, a high-ranking State Department official. It is also interesting that the committee is currently seeking to reinstate the Pol Pot butchers in Cambodia.

8. To suppress all scientific development except for those deemed beneficial by the Illuminati. Especially targeted is nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. Particularly hated are the fusion experiments currently being scorned and ridiculed by the Illuminati and its jackals of the press. Development of the fusion torch would blow the Illuminati's conception of "limited natural resources" right out of the window. A fusion torch, properly used, could create unlimited and as yet untapped natural resources, even from the most ordinary substances. Fusion torch uses are legion, and would benefit mankind in a manner which, as yet, is not even remotely comprehended by the public.

9. To cause, by means of limited wars in the advanced countries, by means of starvation and diseases in the Third World countries, the death of three billion people by the year 2050, people they call "useless eaters". The Committee of 300 (Illuminati) commissioned Cyrus Vance to write a paper on this subject of how to bring about such genocide. The paper was produced under the title "Global 2000 Report" and was accepted and approved for action by former President James Earl Carter, and Edwin Muskie, then Secretary of States, for and on behalf of the US Government. Under the terms of the Global 2000 Report, the population of the US is to be reduced by 100 million by the year of 2050.

10. To weaken the moral fiber of the nation and to demoralize workers in the labor class by creating mass unemployment. As jobs dwindle due to the post industrial zero growth policies introduced by the Club of Rome, the report envisages demoralized and discouraged workers resorting to alcohol and drugs. The youth of the land will be encouraged by means of rock music and drugs to rebel against the status quo, thus undermining and eventually destroying the family unit. In this regard, the Committee commissioned Tavistock Institute to prepare a blueprint as to how this could be achieved. Tavistock directed Stanford Research to undertake the work under the direction of Professor Willis Harmon. This work later became known as the "Aquarian Conspiracy".

11. To keep people everywhere from deciding their own destinies by means of one created crisis after another and then "managing" such crises. This will confuse and demoralize the population to the extent where faced with too many choices, apathy on a massive scale will result. In the case of the US, an agency for Crisis Management is already in place. It is called the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), whose existence I first enclosed in 1980.

12. To introduce new cults and continue to boost those already functioning which include rock music gangsters such as the Rolling Stones (a gangster group much favored by European Black Nobility), and all of the Tavistock-created rock groups which began with the Beatles.

13. To continue to build up the cult of Christian Fundamentalism begun by the British East India Company's servant Darby, which will be misused to strengthen the Zionist State of Israel by identifying with the Jews through the myth of "God's chosen people", and by donating very substantial amounts of money to what they mistakenly believe is a religious cause in the furtherance of Christianity.

14. To press for the spread of religious cults such as the Moslem Brotherhood, Moslem Fundamentalism, the Sikhs, and to carry out mind control experiments of the Jim Jones and "Son of Sam" type. It is worth noting that the late Khomeini was a creation of British Military Intelligence Div. 6, MI6. This detailed work spelled out the step-by-step process which the US Government implemented to put Khomeini in power.

15. To export "religious liberation" ideas around the world so as to undermine all existing religions, but more especially the Christian religion. This began with the "Jesuit Liberation Theology", that brought an end to the Somoza Family rule in Nicaragua, and which today is destroying El Salvador, now 25 years into a "civil war". Costa Rica and Honduras are also embroiled in revolutionary activities, instigated by the Jesuits. One very active entity engaged in the so-called liberation theology, is the Communist-oriented Mary Knoll Mission. This accounts for the extensive media attention to the murder of four of Mary Knoll's so-called nuns in El Salvador a few years ago. The four nuns were Communist subversive agents and their activities were widely documented by the Government of El Salvador. The US press and the new media refused to give any space or coverage to the mass of documentation possessed by the Salvadorian Government, which proved what the Mary Knoll Mission nuns were doing in the country. Mary Knoll is in service in many countries, and placed a leading role in bringing Communism to Rhodesia, Moçambique, Angola and South Africa.

16. To cause a total collapse of the world's economies and engender total political chaos.

17. To take control of all foreign and domestic policies of the US.

18. To give the fullest support to supranational institutions such as the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the Bank of International Settlements, the World Court and, as far as possible, make local institutions less effective, by gradually phasing them out or bringing them under the mantle of the UN.

19. To penetrate and subvert all governments, and work from within them to destroy the sovereign integrity of the nations represented by them.

20. To organize a world-wide terrorist apparatus and to negotiate with terrorists whenever terrorist activities take place. It will be recalled that it was Bettino Craxi, who persuaded the Italian and US Governments to negotiate with the Red Brigades kidnapers of Prime Minister Moro and General Dozier. As an aside, Dozier was placed under strict orders not to talk what happened to him. Should he ever break that silence, he will no doubt be made "a horrible example of", in the manner in which Henry Kissinger dealt with Aldo Moro, Ali Bhutto and General Zia ul Haq.

21. To take control of education in America with the intent and purpose of utterly and completely destroying it. By 1993, the full force effect of this policy is becoming apparent, and will be even more destructive as primary and secondary schools begin to teach "Outcome Based Education" (OBE).

WAKE THE FUCK UP SHEEPLE.. IT IS A DAMN SHAME WITH ALL THAT IS TAKING PLACE IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES WIDE SHUT, YOU STILL WANT TO TAKE THE HORN FROM THE ONE SENT TO WAKE YOU UP!!!!!

YO VOX, YOU HAVE UNSEEN ALLIES IN THIS WAR TO WAKE THE DEAD!!!

KEEP ON KEEPING ON BELOVED BROTHER..IN THE STRUGGLE

Posted by askmorequestions @ 11/29/2002 05:58 AM EST

Let weigh in here on the comments about Vox's language usage, etc. I say, fuck it. The right-wing Bush ass-lickers are allowed to say whatever they want, including, "we should wipe all Msulims off the face of the Earth" and nobody has the balls to cry "fowl." But when someone comes out with some truth for a change he gets attacked for "not talking nice?" Bullshit.
Vox, you are telling it like it is ... and I hope you never fucking stop.

Posted by Shawn Hines @ 11/29/2002 02:49 PM EST

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/wecontrolamerica/mombasa.html

Mossad Bombs Paradise Hotel in Mombasa
The precise anatomy of an attack that only "looked like" it was targeted on Jews

Copyright Joe Vialls, 30 November 2002





On 28 November it was reported that “al Qaeda” had blown up the Israeli Paradise Hotel at Kikambala Beach near Mombasa, and synchronously launched a missile attack on an Arkia Airlines Boeing 757, taking off from Mombasa Airport en-route for Tel Aviv with 264 Israeli passengers on board. There was wild media talk of outstanding Israeli bravery in the face of these horrifying Muslim atrocities, but in reality the entire “dual attack” was a lookalike invented by the Mossad, designed to deflect attention away growing anger in Indonesia about direct CIA and Mossad involvement in the 12 October bombing of Kuta Beach in Bali. More about this motive later in the report, but first let us use real-time and photographic evidence to prove this deliberate Israeli illusion.
The first proof that the Kikambala Beach operation was a covert Israeli sting, came less than an hour after the massive bomb blast, with a tame television anchorman in New York repeatedly asking a reporter at the Paradise hotel about “the other attack on the Israeli airliner taking off from Mombasa.” The timing of these questions was impossible, because the pilots aboard the Arkia Airlines Boeing 757 had not reported any incident. Serving as proof of this critical omission, there is no record of any “Mayday” or “Pan” call on the Kenyan air traffic control tapes at any time on 28 November 2002. So now we know the New York media was deliberately telling us about a mid-air incident which never occurred.
Simultaneously at the Paradise Hotel, hordes of Israeli tourists were filmed sitting on top of their heavy suitcases more than 200 meters away from the building. Nearly every reader is conversant with hotel evacuation drills. You are told repeatedly that “human life is important, possessions are not”. This priority never changes, with standard emergency instructions worldwide urging patrons to “Stay calm, check the room to ensure no-one is left, leave your belongings where they are, and walk briskly to your assembly point – do not run.” Nowhere in the rules is there any instruction to risk the lives of your children and yourself, by slowly and laboriously dragging a fifty-pound suitcase more than two hundred meters towards the beach.
The tourists sitting calmly on their suitcases at the beach, is explained by the fact that the Paradise Hotel is a “turnkey” operation, one-hundred-percent owned by the Israelis and thus under their complete control. You cannot walk in off the street and book a room, because the entire hotel is reserved strictly for Israeli tourists, including a sizeable number of Mossad operatives on “Rest and Recuperation”. This was a controlled operation from the start, with nearly all of the Israeli guests cleared away from the buildings before the charges were detonated.







Next, Mossad agents led the compliant Kenyan media to a spot just outside the Mombasa Airport perimeter fence, and showed journalists the “discarded launch tubes” of two shoulder-launched surface-to-air heat seeking missiles, allegedly fired at the Arkia Boeing 757 as it passed overhead at 500 feet. They were real launch tubes complete with pistol grips designed to fire the SA-7b “Strela” missile, but minus the heavy battery packs which the “Arab terrorists” inexplicably decided to run away with. Believe me, there is no way you can fire the Strela without its heavy battery pack. The launch tubes had also been resprayed brilliant sky-blue, a color which provides excellent contrast for media location and recording on Betamax video, but is absurd for operational use. The only colors the Strela is issued in from the factory, are camouflage khaki or olive drab.
The SA-7b Strela is an infra red heat seeker that locks onto hot engine exhaust gases, and will rush off at Mach 1.75 to kill any aircraft [without active magnesium flare protection] that flies within its slant range of 3 miles. Immediately after launch the equipment operator becomes irrelevant, with the missile doing the rest all by itself. Sure it sometimes has a bit of a problem with helicopters which deflect their hot engine gases up through the rotor blades, but the huge gaping red-hot engine orifices of a Boeing 757 at point blank range, are the Strela’s ultimate wet dream.
If one of these rather phallic missiles had actually been fired at the Arkia 757 from the Mombasa runway overrun area, it would have automatically and immediately streaked inside one of the 757’s irresistible orifices, and blown the entire engine pod off the wing with its powerful HE warhead. Two missiles would have blown off two engine pods, making the Boeing extremely difficult to control, to say the very least of it.





The sky-blue Strela launch tube "discarded" by Mossad near Mombasa Airport. Note total lack of residue in pictures left and right. Centre pic shows a real Strela with wide array of ancillary guidance equipment and power packs needed for launch.

Fortunately you do not have to take my word for this. Look very closely at the Strela launch tube photographs shown on this page. The launch and propellant charges of the Strela are very messy, and always leave a lot of dirty residue on the muzzle and exhaust pipe of the launcher after a missile has been fired. There is not the slightest trace of residue on either Strela launcher at Mombasa, proving conclusively that they were never used for live launches, and were thus placed in the grass solely as stage props to reinforce the Israeli myth.
No doubt a few avid television viewers might retort, “What about the Israeli captain of the Boeing? He said he saw two smoke trails from the missiles”. Really? It would be more productive to focus on exactly what the captain told the media, and whether his statement could be even remotely correct. The captain’s exact words were, “We saw two white stripes coming up from behind the airplane on the left side a bit above us.” As you will see from the photo of the Arkia Boeing 757 on this page, the aircraft is not fitted with rear view mirrors or a tail warning radar. No pilot sitting on the flight deck of a Boeing 757 can see “behind” the aircraft because rearward vision is severely restricted. With the “stretched” version of the Boeing 757 they were flying, the Arkia pilots would consider themselves lucky if they could twist around far enough to see their own wings. Nor would they have done so at this entirely critical point in the flight.
The aircraft had just rotated off the hot runway at Mombasa with a full load of fuel and passengers, and was at its most vulnerable. Lose an engine at this point, which means half your total thrust on a twin-engine Boeing 757, and you need to be a very slick pilot to get the airplane back on the ground in one piece at all. So beyond question, both pilots had their eyes glued firmly to the instrument panel at the precise time the captain subsequently claimed, “We saw two white stripes coming up from behind the aircraft…” You decide whether or not the captain was telling the truth, bearing in mind that he also claimed he “felt a bump”, inferring one of the “phantom” missiles had glanced off the airplane. On arrival at Ben Gurion airport in Palestine the airplane was checked for damage by television media, and not a single scratch or blemish was found on its immaculate paint work.
As previously stated, and apart from gratuitously trying to establish a direct link between Palestinians and the fictional “al Qaeda” in the form of CIA/MI6/Mossad “suspect” Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah, the motive for this staged Mossad “attack” was almost certainly to combat increasing dissent over the Bali bombing, with the intent of getting suspicious westerners back on side. The very nature of the covert operation provides several strong clues, as do the various stage props provided by the Mossad for local and international media networks





Imaginative computer graphics issued to the media by Mossad in the wake of the scam, to help viewers "understand" how this impossible attack was [not] launched. Note the two "al Qaeda terrorists" without guidance systems or battery packs!

At the basic subliminal level, you were supposed to acknowledge this “cowardly” attack by “al Qaeda” on “Israeli civilians” who were simply on holiday having a good time at “Kikambala Beach”, where the blasts were caused by a “suicide bomber” and a “car bomb”. You were repeatedly shown hundreds of feet of video film reinforcing this myth, with lots of waving palm trees, and distraught Jewish survivors sitting on the beach.
Surely the covert Kikambala operation subliminally reminds you of another “cowardly” attack by “al Qaeda” on “Australian civilians”, who were simply on holiday having a good time at “Kuta Beach” in Bali on 12 October? It is remarkably similar in many ways, right down to the fine details of a “suicide bomber” and “car bomb” The entire operation was designed to [hopefully] prove that poor Israelis on holiday suffer as much as poor Australians do, at the “ruthless” hands of “al Qaeda” and/or the interchangeable “Jemaah Islamiyah”.
Well, perhaps not exactly. More than one hundred Australians died at Kuta Beach, but only three Israelis died at Kikambala Beach. As if to make up for this inferior body count, you were told that “al Qaeda” had also fired two SA-7b “Strela” heat seeking missiles at an unarmed Israeli airliner. Poor brave Israelis, huh?
I am not callously ingoring the loss of life where local residents are concerned, it is simply a matter of not having accurate figures to use. To the best of my knowledge, approximately 100 Indonesians perished at Kuta Beach, while at least 15 Kenyans were killed at Kikambala Beach. Sadly perhaps, this heavy death toll will be regarded by the CIA and Mossad as irrelevant "collateral damage."



During the ten days immediately preceding the Kikambala operation, things had gone from bad to worse for American and Australian investigators trying to prove that “al Qaeda” and “Jemaah Islamiyah” were responsible for the Kuta Beach atrocity. On Monday 18 November, Indonesian Parliamentary Speaker Amien Rais said he questioned the validity of the police conclusion that "Amrozi" was the main perpetrator of the Bali bombings. Rais was supported by Deputy House Speaker A.M. Fatwa, who stated, "`My conscience says that he is not a key actor. I don’t believe that Amrozi has the capability to make all kinds of the preparations for the bombings, like setting off a kind of micro nuclear bomb in Bali."
These pointed observations by two of the most powerful politicians in Indonesia caused a storm of discontent across the entire nation, with most Indonesians justifiably claiming that the CIA and Mossad were responsible for the outrage in Bali. Then events accelerated rapidly, with politicians from Jakarta personally visiting Kuta Beach. This was followed by the sudden recall of the police general in Bali, who for weeks prior to this had managed to produce endless “Muslim suspects” for the Americans and Australians, at the same staggering speed a conjurer might pull rabbits out of a hat. But just like the rabbits, the Muslim suspects were just clever illusions. And so it was that quite suddenly, with their tame police general removed from the island and escorted back to Jakarta, the CIA and Mossad knew the game was up.
The risks involved in Bali finally being exposed as a joint CIA-Mossad operation are awesome, and far more dangerous in their own way than the multiple allegations about 9/11. Though many investigators including myself have proved with ease that nearly half the named 9/11 “hijackers” are still alive and well today, and that forged evidence was deliberately planted at the crime scene in New York, none individually or severally have sufficient hard evidence to prove that 9/11 was a premeditated scam launched by Judeo-Christian crusaders, rather than by fictional Muslim “al Qaeda terrorists”.
Bali is quite different. Because it is known that the only possible source for the weapon named by Deputy Speaker A. M. Fatwa is Dimona in Israel’s Negev Desert, this single atrocity has the easy ability to unravel the entire carefully-constructed post- 9/11 “War on Terror”, and its more recent oil-rich cousin, the “War on Iraq”. If you successfully unravel the Bali atrocity, and correctly pin the blame on the CIA and Mossad, you automatically expose both “al Qaeda” and “Jemaah Islamiyah” as organizations deliberately invented by these two related western intelligence agencies. Indeed, using this process you prove that the CIA and Mossad ARE THEMSELVES “al Qaeda” and “Jemaah Islamiyah”. Then, and only then, can you use modus operandi and due legal process to prove beyond doubt that the same two agencies were also responsible for 9/11.
This frightening possibility was a risk the agencies were not prepared to take, and the Kikambala operation was swiftly arranged to deflect attention away from the increasing anger in Indonesia. Unfortunately, there is a remote but worrying possibility that the lookalike Israeli attack on Kikambala, might have been designed to deliberately include propaganda enabling future “more sophisticated” attacks on the west.
So far as I know, this is the first time that either the CIA or the Mossad has actually brought you real television footage of an [unfired] surface-to-air missile launcher, with the obvious intent of convincing you that the fictional “al Qaeda” and “Jemaah Islamiyah” not only have access to such equipment, but are also willing and able to use it against unarmed civilian airplanes. The big problem, of course, is that this decoy missile equipment was deliberately placed in position by the Mossad, rather than any “Muslim terrorist” group.
Though I normally go out of my way to avoid causing public panic of any kind, now might be a good time to reevaluate just how necessary it might be for your wife, children or yourself to fly on commercial airplanes. If the CIA or Mossad feel the need to reinforce hatred and fear of “al Qaeda” or “Jemaah Islamiyah” at some time in the indeterminate future, there is now an odds-on chance that at least one of the future “terrorist atrocities” will involve a pair of [live] Israeli SA-7b Strela missiles hurtling up from the ground to join with your airliner in a deadly embrace, immediately after take off from New York, London or Sydney.

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Live Israeli Strela with Guidance & Battery packs

Probably coming soon to an airport near you..

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ASIA Outcry Grows Over Australia Threat
By GEOFF SPENCER, Associated Press Writer
December 2, 2002, 6:22 AM EST

BANGKOK, Thailand -- Australia's neighbors reacted angrily on Monday to Prime Minister John Howard's threat of pre-emptive strikes against terrorists in Asia, saying it would endanger their efforts to fight extremism.

Howard on Sunday called for changes to the U.N. Charter to allow pre-emptive strikes. His comments came in the wake of the Oct. 12 terrorist attack on Bali that left nearly 200 people dead -- almost half of them Australian tourists.

"Australia is ready to invade Asia," said the headline of Indonesia's mass circulation newspaper Republika on Monday. "Australia these days is not ashamed to position itself as the sheriff of the United States."

But Howard on Monday stuck by his assertion that he would order such strikes to forestall attacks against Australian citizens.

"Any Australian prime minister unwilling to do that would be failing the most basic test of office," Howard said in Parliament in Canberra.

Australia's military includes a modern air force capable of hitting targets across Southeast Asia. It also has special forces trained in counterterrorism. A longtime U.S. ally, Australia deployed special forces to Afghanistan last year to help American troops root out Taliban and al-Qaida remnants.

Indonesia, the Philippines, Malaysia and Thailand said their sovereignty would be violated if Australia deployed its military on their soil.

Howard's remarks elicited special concern in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation.

"The majority of the United Nations members would find it difficult to accept" Howard's stance, said Indonesian Foreign Minister Haas Wirayuda. He called Howard's comments "unacceptable."

Indonesia's acting ambassador in Canberra, Imron Cotan, described Howard's statements as "not the comments of a friendly neighbor."

Philippines, National Security Adviser Roilo Golez called Howard's stance "arrogant."

"We cannot allow the fundamental doctrine of sovereignty to be set aside in the name of terrorism," said the Philippines foreign secretary, Blas Ople.

Malaysian Defense Minister Najib Razak said Howard couldn't launch unilateral counterterrorism action in a foreign country without the consent of the government involved.

"The involvement of foreign troops on our soil will complicate efforts to combat terror elements in this country," a Malaysian newspaper quoted Najib as saying.

The opposition Labor Party said Howard was using fear of terrorism to justify support for a possible U.S. attack on Iraq.

Howard has a habit of upsetting his neighbors, earning him the reputation of being Asia's odd man out.

Since taking office in 1996, Howard has shifted foreign policy focus away from Asia and concentrated on revitalizing ties with Australia's traditional ally, the United States.

The prime minister said last month that he was drafting military contingency plans for a possible war in Iraq following talks with U.S. officials.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-asia-australia-terror1202dec02,0,4115115.story

Posted by askmorequestions @ 12/02/2002 06:16 AM EST

Vox
agree - this is NOT a meditation forum - it is WAR.
People are lapsing into even more unconsciousness-than their usual trance states... (and I don't mean sleeping at night)because point #11. is on full blast everyday - crisis after crisis, deliberate traumatizing of the public in order to engendearing the utmost fear-and, voila, it's working. We have 24/7 "robonews", that serves to continually zombitize and meme people into actually believeing "war is a good thing" - all the time.
Americans have been programmed to be the ultimate pollyannas of the planet-we really, really, WANT to believe so badly that our government/military leaders have- at best-very little real sinister intent--if you don't rip the veil yourself that keeps you from seeing the awful truth, then rest assured - it will be done for you.

Posted by man on the hill @ 12/06/2002 03:40 PM EST

Tonights news downunder...Govt refuse to peg ethanol in petrol content at 10% despite warnings from vehicle manufacturers, that levels of ethanol spiking above 10% in vehicles may void auto manufacturers warrantys.

What does litle Johnny know that he's not telling us?

Does he know that Oz is only 70% self suffiucient in oil production and that in a months time when the oil war in the middle east is in full swing - that we will need to add up to 30% ethanol JUST to keep our existing vehicles on the road within our own resources as the middle east oil fields go up in smoke yet again as they did in the last gulf war?

Thats my guess.

Sometimes what we aren't told is as revealing or moreso than what we are told.

War within the month is my best guess.

Posted by What does Jackboot Johnny know! @ 12/11/2002 08:32 AM EST