VOXNYC: "Time to Secede? - Breaking Away From a Bankrupt State"

12/13/2002 Entry: "Time to Secede? - Breaking Away From a Bankrupt State"

Time to Secede?
Breaking Away From a Bankrupt State
John Stanton and Isa F. Atkins

secession?

05 December 2002
Homelessness and unemployment have reached levels in the US unseen in a decade. Consumer confidence, having been shattered by corporate malfeasance and the hyper-greed of the Bush regime, recently hit rock bottom.

According to the National Governors' Association, the 50 States that make up the collective known as the United States of America experienced the worst revenue shortfall since World War II. The Economic Policy Institute reports that American families are working longer and harder on the average of "20 more weeks a year [...] the equivalent of five months."

It's not the nation's central government that is the socioeconomic caregiver for the bulk of these illnesses; rather, it is the American States who are left to cope with the casualties resulting from the ignominious policies and programs of the Bush central government in Washington, DC. Of course, the Jellyfish Party (sometimes referred to as the Democratic Party) in the central government's rubber-stamping body, the US Congress, shares a hefty helping of the blame for the wretched state of the States and their localities in America.

According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities the "states have cut services for those most in need of assistance during an economic downturn. Eligibility has been restricted for health insurance, childcare, and income support services that benefit low-income families. Medicaid benefits have been reduced, job training programs for people trying to move from welfare to work have been cut, and the cost of child care for low- and moderate-income families has been significantly increased. Cuts in funding for public universities have resulted in higher college tuition, shifting the cost of balancing state budgets to students and their parents. Reductions in state aid for public schools and local governments have resulted in school program cutbacks and have to some degree shifted a greater share of the burden of funding schools to local property tax payers. Other reductions in funding have been implemented for state parks, museums, libraries, public health, and public safety."

Rubber Chickens and Chicken Hawks

War propagandists and central government apologists at CNN, FOX, CBS, ABC and NBC -and the genteel opportunists at the New York Times and Washington Post- gloss over the fact that the American States are footing the bill and carrying the load for the bulk of the central government's programs, to include Homeland Security initiatives. This is contrary to what Bush and other con-men/women in the central government proclaim over the airwaves and in print. According to the National Governor's Association, State budget problems are exacerbated by the "billions of dollars in homeland security costs, predominantly borne by state and local governments." So, while the States and their localities approach the black hole of debt and collapsing infrastructures, all that the Bush central government can offer as corrective action, or rather as a temporary distraction, is a trumped up war against a tin-pan dictator in Iraq.

Wealth that otherwise should be targeted to the States and localities, is literally being stolen from the money supply to pay for the many ludicrous schemes of the Bush central government, ranging from National Missile Defense to the Economic Growth and the Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (tax cut). The latter is a program destined to benefit the one percent of Americans who own over 50 percent of the wealth in the United States. The Bush central government, along with the Democratic Rubber-Chickens in Congress -as opposed to the Republican Chicken Hawks- have anted up close to a trillion dollars to play the Great Game in Central Asia. The purpose of this is, first and foremost, to dominate that region's resources and, secondly, to create markets for the business interests that the Bush central government represents.

It has thus become the business of the central governing body known as the US Congress to take care of corporate business interests and beg for photo opportunities with a non-elected president. Only a handful of "representatives" in that central government apparatus, like Robert Byrd of West Virginia and Bernie Sanders of Vermont, have the will to consistently challenge the intellectual sewage gushing from the minds of the Bushites and militarists in and out of the central government. The US Congress is now little more than a shopping mall for corporate interests. The "representatives" wait behind the counter to dicker with the lobbyists and the generals.

Perhaps it is better that the veil of democracy has been torn asunder exposing the lurid nature of the entire American central governing process. The vast number of the central government's politicians and bureaucrats are groveling con artists of low intellect, engaged with corporate interests in an orgy of self-interest. The orgasm for these folks comes in the form of profit pocketed and domination over those who are working those extra five months a year to pay for food and shelter. It's a battle just to raise the minimum wage one US dollar. Conversely, politicians and bureaucrats from the central government never leave office poorer than when they were elected or appointed.

Distant Lands

Far removed from the rich and powerful in the central government, in the jungles of South America and the arid lands of Central Asia, young American soldiers hailing from the States and their localities in the American union, whether Special Forces or regular "GI's", find themselves guarding oil company pipelines and, in the case of Afghanistan, serving as little more than bar-room bouncers for the likes of Hameed Karazai, a former oil man for Unocal. These dedicated teen- and twenty-somethings chase the phantasms of the psychotic Bushites and their elderly generals and admirals. Already, a new "Axis of Evil" is being created by the mouthpiece of the Republican Party, that being Reverend Moon's Washington Times. The Times has warned its readers that Brazil and Venezuela are part of the South American Axis of Evil. Popularly elected officials are not part of the Bush "in" crowd.

And far removed from the lofty heights occupied by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell -and "elites" both Republican and Democrat- in the distant lands of New York City, Boston, Los Angeles, Seattle, and Southeast Washington, DC, men, women and children go hungry, homeless, uninsured, unemployed. Nurses, doctors, policemen and women, firefighters and rescue workers do not have the funds they need to get the tools to do the most basic public safety functions. Schools are overcrowded. Prisons are overcrowded. Urban sprawl and traffic congestion blights the land. Pollution fills the air on warm summer evenings. Prices are on the rise. Unions are being busted. Illicit drugs are easily obtainable. Corporations pay no taxes.

And the central government's solution to all this? Use "terror" to create profit-making opportunities for corporations. Then create a central governing department that those corporations can lobby for business. "Terror is nought but prompt, severe, inflexible justice; it is therefore an emanation of virtue; it is less a particular principle than a consequence of the general principle of democracy applied to the most pressing needs of the fatherland." So said Rumsfeld's idol, France's Robespierre in 1794. Here it is 2002 and his rumination is as relevant now as it was over 200 years ago. The similarities between the 1789 and 2002 are a wee bit unsettling.

Storm the Bastille?

Interesting how history rewinds throughout time. In 1789, Louis XVI of France was presiding over an impending disaster. Draconian policies and programs by his decree in combination with penalties that stifled dissent, outmoded feudal practices -and the shining example of the American Revolution- converged to ignite the French Revolution of 1789. Universities and the intellectual elite were fed up with censorship. The rich stayed very rich and comfortable while the emerging middle class bourgeois, urban workers and farmers-peasants were being crushed by high taxes, inflating prices and stagnant wages. Protests and demonstrations began. Violence and mayhem ensued.

So it would seem that the central government of Bush II of America, in conjunction with the US Congress, has placed the States and localities -the people- in a mood to contemplate alternatives. Already, massive protests against Globalization, US policy in Israel-Palestine, and the impending War in Iraq have taken place echoing Robert Byrd's sentiment that only the American people can stop the madness of Bush II and excite the US Congress to action. And if the Rubber Chicken Democrats take control of the US Congress, will not big business, big defense still rule the roost? Will not the US continue its romp around the world in search of terrorists and oil? Is it worth opting for the status quo with a sprinkle of change?

With the central government clearly out-of-sync with many States and localities, perhaps its time for "the people" that occupy them to think about building a different united States, one that excludes the federal government.

A future movement toward secession must not be viewed as a distant possibility. In fact, large-scale secession has been historically the primary defensive response to centralized bankruptcy in the form of economic meltdown. Should the current road to economic destruction persist, the mythology of the 'divine' and 'eternal' US of A is likely to give way to a rush by the 50 states to abandon what will in essence be a sinking ship.

As has happened elsewhere in the past, local governments will regard, or will be forced by citizens to regard, a breakaway transition as a means of reasserting the fiscal, sociopolitical, and perhaps even military control that central governing structures have proven unable to attain.

Such a transition need not be violent. One of the models to follow is the relatively peaceful process of breakup used by the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics -the USSR. In that recent case, the strong leadership of the breakaway republics fractionalized the Soviet military according to ethnic lines, thus preventing pro-Russian military leaders from assuming complete control over Soviet troops.

Nevertheless, escalating ethnic animosities and exchanges of populations was a feature that marked the experience of Soviet secessions. It would thus be naive to assume that in a country such as the US, where racial tensions and segragationist traditions are so deeply rooted, a large-scale secession of states will not be accompanied by attempts to map new national borders in accordance to racial and ethnic parameters. Additionally, it cannot be assumed that overzealous pro-federal military officials will not attempt to direct federal military might toward the preservation of centralized governing structures at all costs.

Ultimately, the realization of the secessionist option will undoubtedly include a host of violent changes -some symbolic and some substantial. Violence will depend on the degree of determination of the federal apparatus to retain control over the crumbling nation, while the depth of actual change will depend on the political credentials of the secessionists. If their aspirations are limited to a gradual increase of their consumer rights in a free market context, then the independent fragments of the former USA will not look much different than today's bloc of former Soviet republics. If, on the other hand, their aspirations depart from the confines of existing capitalist doctrine, then who knows what might spring out. Perhaps a new era of dynamic progressive victories, enlightened by a new American Revolution? A time of experimentation and non-conformist social polemic? The answer may emerge much sooner than most of us expect.

John Stanton is a Virginia-based writer on national security matters. Dr Isa F. Atkins is a domestic intelligence specialist and deputy editor of the News Insider.

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Bank Dealings

This is an actual letter sent to a bank in the United States. The Bank thought it amusing enough to publish in the New York Times.

Dear Sir: I am writing to thank you for bouncing the check with which I endeavored to pay my plumber last month. By my calculations, some three nanoseconds must have elapsed between his presenting the check, and the arrival in my account of the funds needed to honor it. I refer, of course, to the automatic monthly deposit of my entire salary, an arrangement which, I admit, has only been in place for eight years. You are to be commended for seizing that brief window of opportunity, and also for debiting my account with $50 by way of penalty for the inconvenience I caused to your bank.

My thankfulness springs from the manner in which this incident has caused me to rethink my errant financial ways. You have set me on the path of fiscal righteousness. No more will our relationship be blighted by these unpleasant incidents, for I am restructuring my affairs in 2000 taking as my model the procedures, attitudes and conduct of your very bank. I can think of no greater compliment, and I know you will be excited and proud to hear it.

To this end, please be advised about the following changes. I have noticed that whereas I personally attend to your telephone calls and letters, when I try to contact you I am confronted by the impersonal, ever-changing, prerecorded, faceless entity, which your bank has become. From now on, I, like you, choose only to deal with a flesh and blood person. My mortgage and loan repayments will, therefore and hereafter, no longer be automatic, but will arrive at your bank, by check, addressed personally and confidentially to an employee of your branch, whom you must nominate. You will be aware that it is an offense under the Postal Act for any other person to open such an envelope.

Please find attached an Application for Authorized Contact Status, which I require your chosen employee to complete. I am sorry it runs to eight pages, but in order that know as much about him or her as your bank knows about me, there is no alternative. Please note that all copies of his or her medical history must be countersigned by a Justice of the Peace, and that the mandatory details of his/her financial situation (income, debts, assets, and liabilities) must be accompanied by documented proof. In due course, I will issue your employee with a PIN number, which he/she must quote in all dealings with me. I regret that it cannot be shorter than 28 digits but, again, I have modeled it on the number of button presses required to access my account balance on your phone bank service. As they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Let me level the playing field even further by introducing you to my new telephone system, which you will notice, is very much like yours. My Authorized Contact at your bank, the only person with whom I will have any dealings, may call me at any time and will be answered by an automated voice.

Press buttons as follows: 1) To make an appointment to see me 2) To query a missing payment 3) To transfer the call to my living room in case I am there 4) To transfer the call to my bedroom in case I am sleeping 5) To transfer the call to my toilet in case I am attending to nature 6) To transfer the call to my mobile phone in case I am not at home 7) To leave a message on my computer (to leave a message a password to access my computer is required: password will be communicated at a later date to the Authorized Contact 8) To return to the main menu and listen carefully to options 1 through 79 9) To make a general complaint or inquiry. 10) The Authorized Contact will then be put on hold, pending the attention of my automated answering service. While this may on occasion involve a lengthy wait, uplifting music will play for the duration. This month I've chosen a refrain from "The Best of Woody Guthrie":"Oh,! The banks are made of marble, With a guard at every door, And the vaults are filled with silver, That the miners sweated for." After twenty minutes of that, our mutual Contact will probably know it by heart.

On a more serious note, we come to the matter of cost. As your bank has often pointed out, the ongoing drive for greater efficiency comes at a cost, a cost which you have always been quick to pass on to me.

Let me repay your kindness by passing some costs back. First, there is the matter of advertising material you send me. This I will read for a fee of $20 per page. Inquiries from your Authorized Contact will be billed at $5 per minute of my time spent in response. Any debits to my account, as, for example, in the matter of the penalty for the dishonored check, will be passed back to you. My new phone service runs at 75 cents a minute (even Woody Guthrie doesn't come for free), so you would be well advised to keep our inquiries brief and to the point.

Regrettably, but again following your example, I must also levy an establishment fee of 2% of my balance or $50 (whichever is more) to cover the setting up of this new arrangement. May I wish you a happy, if ever-so-slightly less prosperous, New Year! Your humble client, JW

Posted by askmorequestions @ 12/13/2002 03:01 AM EST

Greetings from a frost-bitten Canadian boy!! How do you think Canada is going to fare economically after ratification of the Kyoto Accord? The Kyoto Accord is going to crush us economically.
Already in my province auto plants are packing up and moving to Mexico. Those moves of course are an effect of NAFTA. The Kyoto Accord is the final nail in the coffin.

Posted by Gorthaur the Cruel @ 12/13/2002 07:19 AM EST

There are now too many employees in the world demanding a raise, a better job or better working conditions. The employees are starting to notice how the dollar figures never balance when the government or the wealthy make a financial statement. The employees are starting to realize that the wealthy are not leaders, instead they are parasites pretending to care while they suck out all of our vitality. The people are starting to realize that every time a corrupt tyrant is about to be exposed ,he or she creates a diversion of hate, fear and death. The people are starting to realize that the wealthy will do anything to avoid responsibility for the mess they have made. The people can now see that the America is not a country but a buisness venture by wealthy Europeans. The only citizens are the wealthy and their families, the rest of THE PEOPLE are just a bunch of spoiled rotten employees. Massive worldwide population reduction is the answer to their problems, about two thirds of the world is scheduled for extermination. Then the wealthy can breath a little easier, just like after WWII. IS IT REALLY A GOOD IDEA TO SACRIFICE THE FUTURE OF LIFE ON EARTH SO WE CAN SAVE THE ECONOMY NOW, THIS IS WHAT THE WEALTHY ARE INSISTING THAT WE HAVE TO DO. THE ECONOMY IS NOT IN DANGER IF WE CLEAN UP THE ENVIRONMENT, THE PHONEY EMPIRES OF THE WEALTHY ARE IN DANGER, WHY SHOULD ANYBODY CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WEALTHY,WHEN THE WEALTHY ONLY CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES. THE REST OF US COULD MAKE ALOT OF MONEY REPAIRING THE MESS MADE BY THE IRRESPONSIBLE POSERS.

Posted by An Intelligent Canadian @ 12/13/2002 10:26 AM EST

Quit crying about plants moving to Mexico and do something. When was the last time you looked at the "Made in" label on something you bought??? Yeah, thought so.

Check the label before you buy! It's worth paying more for an item made domestically because it keeps the jobs home!

Speak with your $$$. It's the only language they understand!

Posted by Voodoo Child @ 12/13/2002 10:50 AM EST

I agree with Gothar on this point. It's a globalist agenda to remove national sovereignty....nothing to do with "saving the environment".Nothing but another ploy to ring in the New World Order. They plan to turn Canada and the U.S. into another third world plantation...all under the guise of "homeland security" and "the war on terror".

Welcome to 1984...wait no..it's worse!!!

Get ready for military checkpoints, blood and hair samples, gun grabs, eye and thumb scans, biochips in the skin, national ID cards, total information awareness, FEMA camps, forced "vaccinations",curfews,cameras on every corner, house searches,.....everything they can think of to bring in the NEW WORLD ORDER.

Time to secede from the system...if you can.

Posted by Mech @ 12/13/2002 11:28 AM EST

Daniel Ellsberg Calls on People in Gov't to Leak Documents

"I am using every opportunity to say to people in the government who are in the position that I was then, and who know that their president is lying us into a wrongful and reckless war, to do what I wish I had done in 1964-65: to go to Congress and the press with documents and tell the truth. That would be a risk, but there are times when big risks are worth that to save a lot of lives."

send the URL for this page to everyone you know in the government!

>>> Former State Department employee and Rand analyst Daniel Ellsberg played a pivotal role in US history when in June 1971 he leaked thousands of pages of classified documents about the Vietnam war to the New York Times. The resulting court battle was a major First Amendment victory, and the "Pentagon Papers" helped end the war in Vietnam. Since then, Ellsberg has been reviled by many and held in high esteem by many others. (We'll give you one guess which camp The Memory Hole falls into.)

Ellsberg has released his memoirs, Secrets (Viking Press, 2002), and has gone on a speaking/booksigning/interviewing blitz across the US. During his interview with the Guardian of London, he repeated his call upon government employees and officials to follow his example by leaking documents that reveal important truths that are being hidden from the public. His clarion call is reproduced above.

Posted by tell the truth. @ 12/13/2002 11:36 AM EST

Daniel Ellsberg Calls on People in Gov't to Leak Documents

send the URL for this page to everyone you know in the government!

Posted by tell the truth. @ 12/13/2002 11:37 AM EST

http://www.buyamerican.com/cgi-bin/shop.storefront/

Posted by Mech @ 12/13/2002 11:39 AM EST

Umm, Gothar, in case you haven't noticed it, the people who are pushing the 1984 state, Bush,etc. are the ones against the Kyoto Protocol. Global warming is real, and anyone who doesn't think so watches too much Foxnews and Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by Getcher Faxstrait @ 12/13/2002 11:48 AM EST

Does anybody actually have anything to say about this great article? Is that not the point of this forum? I for one think succesion is the peoples best bet. The Fed is rotten to the core so the states are the peoples only hope. If eneoph people could get organized and get the required signatures to put it on a ballot it could be done. Ofcourse we would all be shot for treason but that is the price for freedom!

Posted by sandman420 @ 12/13/2002 11:55 AM EST

Just because the label says "Made in the USA," or whatever "country" you deem appropriate to keep your monies within, doesn't mean it is really made in the USA. It might just mean that the item was placed inside of a box inside of the USA for delivery to its final destination.

Come on people, if can't believe the news on CNN, do you think that you can believe the label on an item that is sold by the same people selling you the news?

Posted by Jimini @ 12/13/2002 12:04 PM EST

realizing it may be a goal of the current adminisistration to bring Dixie back and make slaves of those opposed to their racism and rape...it should be no surprise that much of the country (mainly in the north) is led to rely on non-tangible services for revenue while manufacturing flourishes in the south. yet would Canadians have the coin and ambition to help true yankees form a new and sovereign power? i envision a free country that brings a space weapons ban to all the globe - not to mention clean energy

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/election/map.htm

Posted by Es Verdad @ 12/13/2002 01:35 PM EST

Voodoo Child

The labels are all made in China...

Posted by Andy @ 12/13/2002 01:54 PM EST

Kissinger just got out of the kitchen.

Posted by tri888 @ 12/13/2002 03:48 PM EST

I think this administration is the Process church all grown up.

Posted by wierd scenes in the gold mine @ 12/13/2002 03:52 PM EST

Time for another Boston Tea Party. The only thing the Zionist run administration/corporation understands is money which is synonymous with power. They would imprison us all rather then give up their positions. I propose a forum of patriots to organize a tax revolt. Take away their funds and they become our servents as was intended by the Constitution. Barter, drop out of the stock market,use cash,cultivate neighborhood networks of patriots,stock up on hard assets and arm yourself against those who would take away your property. The shit is about to hit the fan. get ready. Give me liberty or give me death.

Posted by true patriot @ 12/13/2002 04:09 PM EST

http://WWW.FREESTATEPROJECT.ORG

Posted by G W Gnu @ 12/13/2002 04:10 PM EST

To tax a man directly on his wages is slavery.So how many of us have really known the freedom defined in the Constitution.None.Income is profit derived from corporate activity.Wages are an exchange of monies for service rendered.When I take my wages(capital)and put it in the bank, the bank creates a profit derived from corporate activity and I get a small percentage. It's that small percentage of profit that is supposed to be taxed not the capital.Slavery,folks, is all we've known.

Posted by bushyhead @ 12/13/2002 07:16 PM EST

Woah! Just got done watching the 20/20 Whitehouse interview and tour with Dubya and Dubyaette. Aside from bush out of nowhere stating "this war has nothing to do with oil" one srange thing took place that was also noticed by the person I was watching with. Do wish I had recorded it for a transcript on how it took place but..

The 20/20 person doing the interview asked them at one point, if they get eachother gifts. They both goofed back and fourth about their answers, one being by Mrs Bush regarding earrings she recieved the previous year. There was more joking and the interview went on its course regarding x-mas and whatnot. A commercial came back and the show returned and out of nowhere the 20/20 lady asked again about gifts. They bumbed through some more commenting and Mrs bush repeated the exact same remark about earrings and then the show went on to abruptly ending. You would have to have seen it...

It was kinda funny. I would love to think that maybe she's a robot as it would be yet another twist in twisted. Then again, remembering the article about Bush being a sociopath lacking emotions and whatnot, was odd to notice that his only affections to his wife were verbal on camera...

Did anybody else notice or watch this drivel?

Posted by Xaos @ 12/13/2002 08:01 PM EST

I'm no prophet, but I do gamble sometimes and I'm willing to bet that the new push to vaccinate everyone in the US is a precursor to a trumped up, fake bio-terror "disaster" that our CIA and Bush have planned for us.

Here's how it will play out: The USA invades IRAQ. Then, a few days or weeks into the war, our soldiers in IRAQ, and/or US civilians here will be blasted/infected with the SMALLPOX virus. This horror, of course, will be blamed on Al-Qaeda, eventhough it will be made, produced and perpetrated by the USA on the USA. (The Anthrax scare was a trial run.)

This will make the US and Bush look very good. We will have PROVEN that Iraq DID have weapons of mass destruction (Bio-weapons) and our Bush is a HERO for his amazing and insightful planning ahead of time for this disaster. We will also have an excuse to strike back at IRAQ and strike back hard. Oh, and don't forget all the money that will be made by the companies that have produced the vaccine. (The deaths that insue from this American-made disaster are not important.)

I PROMISE YOU THIS WILL HAPPEN! Just wait and see! If this doesn't convince you that these people are bastards, nothing will!

Posted by ObviousMan @ 12/13/2002 09:57 PM EST

I must agree whole heartedly with Obvious Man. The small pox propaganda is being force fed to this country, along with laws protecting all aspects of their vaccination plan. Smells like genocide to me. I am completely convinced that exact or similiar scenario is going to play out. We must educate as many people as possible while there is still time or this axis of evil running our "government" is going to make nazi Germany seem like a trial run. Their plan is to slim down the population of the planet to a billion, through unnatural means, and the small pox "outbreak" is a major part of that. These "people" are ruthless. They must be stopped.

Posted by california kid @ 12/14/2002 01:35 AM EST

Just a little note about this guy you were talking about

Editor Says Bush Rape Suit
Story Published 'Prematurely'
By Jon Dougherty
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com
12-14-2

A news report about a court filing by a Missouri City, Texas, woman who claims President Bush raped her was posted on the Internet prematurely and without sufficient fact-checking, says the editor of the paper.

The story, published Wednesday by the Fort Bend Star, said Margie Schoedinger also claims that Bush conspired with the FBI and local police to cover up his alleged crime.

"This report wasn't supposed to go up yet," Jean Sandlin, an editor for the paper, told WorldNetDaily. Speaking of Schoedinger, Sandlin added: "I had heard she was a nutcase."

Repeated attempts to contact the reporter who wrote the story, LeaAnn Klentzman, were unsuccessful.

Rumors of the alleged rape circulated rapidly across the Internet today, but little in the way of details emerged.

Upon further investigation, however, WorldNetDaily discovered that indeed Schoedinger filed court papers with the Fort Bend County court Dec. 2 alleging the sexual abuse. Editor's note: The linked document above is in .pdf format; you must have an Adobe Acrobat reader to open it.

According to her account, which was confusing, rambling and incomplete, she also alleged that she has been harassed and threatened by federal agents, her bank accounts looted, her husband fired from his job, and that she had a miscarriage after being beaten. In court papers, she intimated that Bush "might have been the father of the child that was lost."

Also, she claimed that when she went to a hospital for treatment she was further threatened by federal agents "on behalf of the Defendant [Bush]."

Additionally, Schoedinger claims she has been placed on a "watch list" for AIDS and is being monitored by the National Security Agency, Secret Service and CIA. She said her home is under surveillance as well.

"Defendant [Bush] took personal responsibility for these decisions," the court papers say, "explaining to Plaintiff [Schoedinger] that committing suicide would be her best option in his opinion. "

"Plaintiff is essentially dead in any case," the filing said.

She said throughout a conversation she had with Bush - for which she gave no time frame - he allegedly never "stopped watching" her, "nor did he stop having sex" with her while she was under the influence.

"The sole concern of the Defendant and his representatives was whether Plaintiff could actually recall the individual sex crimes committed against Plaintiff and Plaintiff's husband, utilizing drugs," said the court papers. "Whether or not Plaintiff's husband was raped remains in question, as Plaintiff was drugged after she was raped and her husband was drugged before her rape."

Schoedinger's husband is not identified in the papers.

The suit seeks $1 million in actual damaged plus an additional $49 million in punitive damages and emotional distress.

A spokeswoman at the Fort Bend County Court at Law 3, where the suit was filed, told WorldNetDaily she could not discuss particulars of the case.

The White House did not respond to requests for comment by press time.

In court papers, Schoedinger also hinted that the alleged dalliances with Bush may have occurred when she was a minor, though she did not specify her age at the time of the alleged assaults. Also, her present age was not listed in court papers.

It was unclear whether Bush had been served with the suit, though court papers filed Dec. 4 gave Bush 20 days to respond or appear in a Fort Bend County courtroom.

The notice to appear was initialed by Becky Kasper, Fort Bend County deputy clerk.

Jon E. Dougherty is a staff reporter and columnist for WorldNetDaily, and author of the special report, "Election 2000: How the Military Vote Was Suppressed."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29990

Posted by bushdidwhaaa? @ 12/14/2002 04:29 AM EST

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I PROMISE YOU THIS WILL HAPPEN! Just wait and see! If this doesn't convince you that these people are bastards, nothing will!

Posted by ObviousMan @ 12/13/2002 09:57 PM EST

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Posted by california kid

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I realise this is a US-based forum but I am constantly ticked off at how the US posters constantly think only in terms of US fallout to the US population from the Shrub Reich.

FYI I'm in London and the smallpox propaganda is being force fed to us too on a daily basis, and the rest of continental Europe also - particularly France.

So in all likelyhood it is the UK's turn to fall on it's sword in another WTC play, or maybe Paris as punishment because the French refused to join Blair and 75% of the French dislike American influence in all spheres of their life. The figure incidentally is not much better in the UK.

Blair is Shrub's pet poodle, and no doubt the top of the pyramid originates in London/Europe anyway so you (US based) folks had better start thinking globally as it only serves to foster the impression that yanks think only of themselves.

And we know that's not true, don't we?

Posted by andy @ 12/14/2002 05:02 AM EST

Hi vox--To andy: Apologies for my fellow countrymen and -women--most of us don't care about what's going on in our own country, let alone the rest of the world.

Am relieved to learn that i am not only person freaked out about smallpox vaccinations--esp fact that there are different strains being prepared (one for "dissidents"?)--and that microchips small enough to fit in needles.

WHEN WILL PEOPLE WAKE UP?

Peace and Freedom, kathleen

Posted by kathleen beatty @ 12/14/2002 06:24 AM EST

maybe we shoulf get off our asses and organize a serious mass rebellion, and storm congress like they are doing in mexico right now over some nafta regulations.
maybe we should quit bitching and get as many people as we can to spread the information.
make flyers.
stand on a crate in a crowded area and spread the message.
get a fucking gun, shutup with your nonviolence talk. The Royal Pigs have told you since childbirth that violence isnt the answer (unless its a war against another country). THEY WANT YOU CALM AND DOCILE. they will pretend to listen to the peoples complaints and declare this or that but theywill still move forward with their agenda.
stop complaining and do something, even if its just a flyer to hand out and post up.
DO SOMETHING.

Posted by Ozgar Pugnus @ 12/14/2002 07:51 AM EST

The Russians used flouride in the drinking water in the gulags to keep the people calm. All we Americans have to do is brush our teeth.

Posted by Curly Bear @ 12/14/2002 08:30 AM EST

The must see video on the "terrorist" flight school in Venice, Fla.

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The Bush Dyslexicon: Observations on a National Disorder

Bush isn't a moron, he's a cunning sociopath

By Bev Conover
Online Journal Editor & Publisher

December 5, 2002—If any of us are to have a future worth having, the world's leaders, the members of Congress, the US corporate media and people of all political persuasions who value freedom and democracy had better start seeing George W. Bush for what he is: a sociopath and a passive serial killer.

Psychiatrists tell us that all serial killers lack the emotions that make us human; that they have to learn to emulate those emotions in order to get by in society. Hence, a charming, well educated fellow like Ted Bundy who is known to have murdered 15 women and may have killed 36 before he was caught.

While Bush is no Bundy, when it comes Bundy's education and acquired charm, and to our knowledge has never personally murdered anyone, it has been evident to us that there is something missing in George W. in terms of his lack of compassion and empathy. As governor of Texas, he set a record in signing death warrants—154 in five years. He even made fun of the way convicted killer Karla Faye Tucker begged for her life.

If we believe the psychiatrists, a sign of a future serial killer is a child who delights in torturing and killing animals. George W., as a child, did exactly that. In a May 21, 2000, New York Times' puff piece about the values Bush gained growing up in Midland, Texas, Nicholas D. Kristof quoted Bush's childhood friend Terry Throckmorton: "'We were terrible to animals,' recalled Mr. Throckmorton, laughing. A dip behind the Bush home turned into a small lake after a good rain, and thousands of frogs would come out. 'Everybody would get BB guns and shoot them,' Mr. Throckmorton said. 'Or we'd put firecrackers in the frogs and throw them and blow them up.'"

On Sept. 12, 2000, Baltimore Sun reporter Miriam Miedzian wrote, "So when he was a kid, George W. enjoyed putting firecrackers into frogs, throwing them in the air, and then watching them blow up. Should this be cause for alarm? How relevant is a man's childhood behavior to what he is like as an adult? And in this case, to what he would be like as president of the United States."

We're finding out, aren't we? While we, in two articles before the 2000 election—Sept. 21 and Oct. 23—noted Bush's penchant for blowing up frogs, the corporate media blew it off, just as it had no interest in what he was trying to hide by obtaining a new Texas driver license and his 1976 drunk driving conviction, or the fact he was AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard. Instead, they bought into his nonsensical claim of being a "compassionate conservative" and "a uniter not a divider" who was going to "restore honor and dignity to the White House."

All through the 2000 campaign and up to Sept. 11, 2001, the corporate media depicted Bush as an affable, tongue-tied bumbler—the kind of guy Joe Six-pack would like to have a beer with—turning a blind eye to his dark underside. It mattered not that he stocked his illicit administration with the worst of the worst: John Ashcroft, Donald Rumsfeld, Gale Norton, Paul O'Neill, Harvey Pitt, Thomas White, John Negroponte, Otto Reich and convicted Iran-contra felon Elliot Abrams who received a 1992 Christmas Eve pardon from George W.'s father.

Then, despite his peculiar behavior on Sept. 11, the corporate media and his handlers transformed him into a leader extraordinaire in the mold of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln and Winston Churchill rolled into one.

And as Bush had Afghanistan bombed back beyond the Stone Age to rid the world of Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda, then switched to claiming it was the Taliban that had to go, then declared there was an "axis of evil" and it was really Saddam Hussein who was the "mother of all evil" and that war with Iraq was in the offing to get rid of Saddam, the corporate media cheered him on and to this day continues to beat the war drum. They have yet to consider that the passive serial killer needs to feed his lust for blood by sending others to put their lives on the line and do the killing for him.

In his Sept. 12 article, White House insiders say Bush is "out of control," Mike Hersh wrote, "Some among Bush's trusted White House staff fear what they are seeing and where Bush is taking us. His state of mind hauntingly reminds them of Richard Nixon's Final Days. They fear Bush is becoming Nixonesque . . . or worse. Although Bush lacks Nixon's paranoia, he may entertain even more dangerous notions."

But their desperate late night phone calls to trusted reporters has not seen the light of day in the corporate media. Yet, some of us outside the Beltway have long had an inkling of what we are dealing with.

More proof lies in Alexandra Pelosi's documentary, Journeys with George. Pelosi, the daughter of incoming House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, was a producer for NBC when she wangled the assignment to spend 18 months as part of Bush's campaign press corps.

From the surface, Pelosi's "home movie," as she calls it, seems to be nothing more than a love fest as George W. works to charm the pants off her and the rest of the press corps. The striking thing about this George, even though Karen Hughes is often seen hovering at his elbow, is that he isn't tongue-tied when he is pumping up his ego, dishing out digs and being sarcastic and crude.

Mark Crispin Miller, author of The Bush Dyslexicon and professor of media studies at New York University, who also sees the darker Bush, said in a Nov. 28 interview with the Toronto Star, ""Bush is not an imbecile. He's not a puppet. I think that Bush is a sociopathic personality. I think he's incapable of empathy. He has an inordinate sense of his own entitlement, and he's a very skilled manipulator. And in all the snickering about his alleged idiocy, this is what a lot of people miss."

Miller said he did intend The Bush Dyslexicon to be a funny book, but that was before he read all the transcripts, which revealed, according to reporter Murray Whyte, "a disquieting truth about what lurks behind the cock-eyed leer of the leader of the free world. He's not a moron at all on that point, Miller and Prime Minister Jean Chretien agree."

"He has no trouble speaking off the cuff when he's speaking punitively, when he's talking about violence, when he's talking about revenge," Miller told Whyte. "When he struts and thumps his chest, his syntax and grammar are fine. It's only when he leaps into the wild blue yonder of compassion, or idealism, or altruism, that he makes these hilarious mistakes."

In a speech last Sept. in Nashville, trying to strengthen his case against Saddam, Bush's script called for him to say, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." But the words that came out of his mouth were, ""Fool me once, shame . . . shame on . . . you," followed by a long pause, then, "Fool me—can't get fooled again!"

Said Miller, "What's revealing about this is that Bush could not say, 'Shame on me' to save his life. That's a completely alien idea to him. This is a guy who is absolutely proud of his own inflexibility and rectitude."

Another example, Miller said, occurred early in Bush's White House tenure when he said, "I know how hard it is to put food on your family."

According to Miller, "That wasn't because he's so stupid that he doesn't know how to say, 'Put food on your family's table'—it's because he doesn't care about people who can't put food on the table."

Miller told Whyte, ""When he tries to talk about what this country stands for, or about democracy, he can't do it."

"This, then, is why he's so closely watched by his handlers, Miller says not because he'll say something stupid, but because he'll overindulge in the language of violence and punishment at which he excels," Whyte wrote.

"He's a very angry guy, a hostile guy. He's much like Nixon. So they're very, very careful to choreograph every move he makes. They don't want him anywhere near protestors, because he would lose his temper," Miller said.

"I call him the feel bad president, because he's all about punishment and death," Miller told Whyte. "It would be a grave mistake to just play him for laughs."

A grave mistake, indeed.

If all that has happened since Bush was first mentioned as a possible GOP presidential candidate hasn't set off alarms, his naming of war criminal, mass murderer and international fugitive Henry Kissinger last week to head up the 9/11 investigation should have. And this week another alarm should have gone off when Bush promoted Elliot Abrams to lead the National Security Council's office for Near East and North African affairs, which oversees Arab-Israeli relations.

Bush must be stopped now, before he sets the world aflame. And set it aflame is what he intends to do, even if Iraq has no "weapons of mass destruction" or Saddam stands on his head, naked, on the White House lawn.

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Posted by serial killers lack the emotions that make us human @ 12/14/2002 10:15 AM EST

Since the united States took the only copy of the report that should have only been sent to the U.N.,Iraq should send the 12000 pages all on computer discs to every member of the united Nations as well as making all this information available to the internet for all to see. This way ,we will know for sure who is telling the truth. If Iraq is guilty of having weapons of mass destruction and they do not want to give them up,then we should go in there to remove them. However if the United States is guilty of wanting to control the oil,then a heavy price would have to be paid because then everybody would have weapons of mass destruction and it would be a level playing field. This would be a free for all.

Posted by Barry K @ 12/14/2002 03:32 PM EST

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/cafr1/CAFR.html
According to this site, like the true state of the vatican finances which are unknown to the general public, the states are rolling in it and the cutbacks which disadvantage those least able to afford it are designed to do just that.

Posted by charlie @ 12/14/2002 05:39 PM EST

Vox

Thank you for all of your work, this article, and forum.

To sandman420: Right on! We need to comment on the article, the issues presented, and on each other’s comments, instead of just talking at each other like so many ships passing in the night.

The issues are homelessness, unemployment, consumer confidence, over working, malfeasance, hyper-greed, Bush’s regime, rock bottom, bankruptcies, economic policy, increased needs for social services, decreased tax revenues, states having to pay for federally mandated programs, lies from the media and government, wealth lost through fraud and war, wealth gained through fraud and war, the “Great Game”, domination of the world, the veil of democracy, the lurid nature of the American governing process, world-wide deployment of our military, the creation of enemies, the failing and disintegrating domestic systems, pollution, labor injustice, drug related corruption, tax evasion, extortion by terrorism, foreign policy, globalization, parallel history, the elites, power hungry maniacs (P. H. M. s), depression, deflation and inflation, protests, reform, rebellion, revolution, secession, ethnic animosities, counter revolution, and the unknown. I appreciate the way the authors condensed all of these issues into such a short narrative.

Relevant issues were not mentioned, i.e. Eugenics and genocide (the elimination of unwanted people), environmentalism, global warming, hunger, trauma from being over worked, disabilities from work induced trauma, sickness and disabilities and deaths from medical malpractice, mind control, manufactured epidemics, manufactured weather, disintegration of families, orphans, abortion, disappearing fetuses, disappearing people, confiscations of property and children, political prisoners, harassment and persecution of whistle blowers, harassment and persecution and control of charities and religious organizations, infiltration and sabotage of groups, assassinations, civil wars, the drug trade, the arms trade, the slave trade, the pornography trade, illegal immigration, FEMA, underground bases, civil defence, private armies, martial law, UFOs, non-human intelligences, emigration, the destruction of the U.S.‘s Constitution, etc.

Each one of the issues above is the subject of many books and other publications.

I will discuss some of these issues, and add both a subterranean and an intra-galactic perspective.

Unemployment and homelessness:
I believe that while the authors are right in a general sense. I also believe that there has never been trustworthy data and information about the numbers of unemployed and homeless. The issues are too corrupted by the needs of the powerful to allow anything which they publish to be trustworthy. The three times that I was unemployed and had a home, I did not report that fact to any fact gathering body. The four times that I was homeless, some times employed and sometimes not, I did not report my conditions to officials except to fill in W4 forms and twice to receive food stamps. Not all people report their income to either the IRS or to the SS administration, especially the extremely poor and rich. I have never received and filled out a census form. No government agent came to inquire either at my homes, my camp sites, my car, under the bridge, as I walked all night, at the homeless shelters, or the soup kitchens, etc. But, 2 years ago when I was homeless, almost all charities required that I supply my SS number before I could receive any help. Only one small church did not ask for my SS number. Now the IRS will dictate all that churches will preach and all services which they will provide.

Toward rock bottom:
I believe that the hyper-greed and malfeasance of the Bush regime have not hit rock bottom, and have not been measured. The power hungry maniacs (P. H. M. s) will never be satisfied. Their excuse of “national security” is always used to cover up their crimes. Our enemies know more about our secrets than we do. The PHMs fear us and hate us, the citizens. We can only rely on the whistle blowers, victims, and persistent researchers such as vox, John Loftus, and Rodney Stitch to give us glimpses of some of their crimes. Also, if we listen to the politicians, we can believe the opposite of what they say. “Democracy” spoken by the Bushes and Clintons, et. al. means freedom for them to tyrannize everyone else. “Peace” means war. Now the U.S. government, the multi-national corporations, and the wealthy of Venezuela are subverting the democratically elected government of Venezuela. The righteous law enforcers, victims, and witnesses are punished by the criminals. As Serpico, the righteous NY city policeman said (I paraphrase), the corrupt police will not trust and will punish the incorruptible. Please sign the petition supporting Venezuela’s republic against the U. S. government’s subversion.
See
http://www.narconews.com/
http://www.narconews.com/Issue26/article558.html

Further toward rock bottom:
The goals of the New World Order (NWO), which the Bush regime serves, include the maximum degree of domination and exploitation of the world, the enslavement of all people, and the elimination of all non-Caucasian people, a decrease of 90% of the world’s population. The Bush Regime is part of the cult of mass murder which is headquartered in Europe. As the authors of “The Secret War Against The Jews” concluded, “the war is against all free people”. This war against terror is not only a clash of civilizations, not just a crusade of Christianity against Islam, not just the counter reformation of the Roman Catholics against Protestant Christians, but is a clash against all civilization. I recommend that you read the books by Adam Weisshaupt, Jim Marrs, David Icke, and also read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and all of the other documents contained in the book the Vatican Assassins. Then read all of the writings of the Eugenics movement (the planned elimination of all undesirable people), the CFR’s public and private writings, all of Henry Kissinger’s writings, and the U.S. government’s population control reports (most of which have disappeared). Nelson Rockefeller was appointed by Richard Nixon to lead the office of Population Control. I paraphrase Henry Kissenger: We must control all life supporting resources, including food, water, fuel, shelter, land, medicine, etc, in order to control the world’s people. That sounds like the Jesuits, Adam Weisshaupt, Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, and the head of the Carnegie Trust for World Peace. Of course it does. Henry Kissenger was a double agent for the N.W.O. since he was in U.S. Army counter intelligence just as Nixon was when he was in Naval intelligence, just as Hitler and Linen were when they were in German Army intelligence. The Bush regime, and their successors will make the U.S.A. so abhorrent to the world and weakened by fascist rule, that the U.N. will be “forced” to invade us with the aid of Mexico, China, Russia, Germany, the Check Republic, NATO, etc. The Illuminati’s cult of death wrote (I paraphrase): We must destroy all, then rebuilt to our specifications and service.
I recommend that you read everything written by Pam Schuffert at
http://www.americanholocaust.50megs.com/
http://educate-yourself.org/ps/

How do you maximize control and profits? Make war.

Also I recommend
http://www.freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/newsroom.html

Deeper toward rock bottom:
The costs of being dependant on oil, gas, nuclear energy, empire, nuclear weapons in war, and worldwide government are beyond calculation. We commit a crime against all humanity if we do not replace nuclear, oil, and gas based energy. The needed technology has existed for decades (see solutions below.) But, I do not agree with the U. N. s goals, actions, and methods. The U. N. is corrupt and would be the world’s most tyrannical government. I do not want any of them to either govern me or anyone else. They can’t govern themselves. We must stop adding to the world’s heat and pollution, while helping to make it possible for all people to control their own destinies through their local governments without having to murder billions of people. Nuclear power generation, nuclear weapons, and Uranium ammunition and armor kill for billions of years because we can not put the radioactive genies back under ground deep enough, soon enough, and long enough for them to not be lethal. I recommend the book “Deadly Deception” which details crimes of our governments and nuclear power industry, and the real death toll resulting from our using nuclear energy. That author also documented some of the lethal effects in the U. S. of the Chernobyl disaster in the Ukraine. Consider that if one, 100 megaton Hydrogen bomb were detonated, it would consume 1% of the world’s oxygen. The radiation would spread across the entire world. If one small nuclear bomb exploded on the Plutonium waste storage site near Yakima Washington, all of that Plutonium would explode, resulting in the death of most life on the surface of the land and in the oceans. If one nuclear bomb caused the caldera of Yellow Stone National Park to erupt, the eruption would cast more than 5000 cubic miles (30x30x6 miles) of earth into the atmosphere and into space. The entire U.S., and much of other countries would be covered with volcanic ash and rock. Sulfuric acid would rain everywhere. Winter would last for decades worldwide. If one Trident submarine fired all of its missiles and all of its warheads exploded, the nuclear weapons would kill most human life. Just the heat of such a war would use all oxygen in our atmosphere, cook us all, melt all of the glaciers, cause worldwide fire storms, all other types of storms of very acidic scalding hot water and ice, blizzards, floods, tsunamis, earth quakes, eruptions of volcanoes and caldera, and finally winter so cold that ice would envelope all land. Land masses would rise and fall above and below the water. Any survivors will be very humble. Total nuclear war will not happen for a while if at all because the PHM’s want intermediate solutions to their needs, and they have newer, more precise weapons. They only want the nuclear weapons to extort wealth from us.
We have no right to use nuclear weapons in war.

Short of total, nuclear war:
Limited wars and revolutions: Spanish-American war, Panama, Philippines, WWI, Russian revolution, Spanish Civil War, Ethiopia v Italy, WWII, Israel v Palestine, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, India v Pakistan, Kashmir, Chinese revolution, Korean war, Tibet, Iran, Israel, Nigeria, Cameroon, Mauritania, Chad, Algeria, Libya, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Rwanda, Burundi, Uganda, Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, Congo, Kenya, Tanzania, Mozambique, Namibia, Angola, South Africa, Israel, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Peru, Chile, Argentina, Columbia, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Granada, Panama, Mexico, Argentina in the Falkland Islands war, Ecuador, Vietnam war, Cambodia, Laos, Malaysia, Indonesia, East Timor, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Kashmir, Afghanistan, Russia, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Columbia, Venezuela, etc.

Eugenics and genocide (to kill all unwanted populations in every way possible without being caught.):
Forced sterilizations:
Unsuspecting populations received through vaccines, additives which caused infertility, and or abortions.
Many have suffered forced, surgical sterilization.

Manufactured disease epidemics:
Read the book “Death from the Sky” by Dr. Len Horowitz, and the information at
http://tetrahedron.org/
75 out of 200 test subjects, 37.5% became ill from the latest test of the Small Pox vaccine. All of the test subjects were very healthy, young adults, and were screened against risk factors. http://www.trufax.org/welcomemsie.html
http://thepowerhour.com
http://gulfwarvets.org
http://www.projectshad.org/
http://caricom.com/
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/damage.html

Manufactured weather:
http://carnicom.com
http://www.newstrove.com/content/globalwarming/

Scalar, EM weapons:

Earth is in an inter-dimensional, intra-galactic war:
The earth beneath our feet, and beneath the oceans’ bottoms are many miles thick, containing more water, energy, and life than exists on the surface and in the oceans. Bacteria have for billions of years been in the rocks and in the subterranean water digesting everything they can and producing oil and methane gas. Insects, the mantas and mothmen also developed over hundreds of millions of years both above the ground and underground in every possible place and form, survived all catastrophes underground, developed underground civilizations, and space travel. Reptilians, i.e. the greys, sauriods, dragons, snakes, etc. did the same, surviving all catastrophes underground, developed underground civilizations, and space travel. The insects rule the reptilians by superior mind control. The reptilians rule the greys by superior mind control. They have modified us humans genetically. They produced human-reptilian hybrids to be their agents, the N.W.O., to rule us from our early history to now. They have not always succeeded. We have defeated them before and forced them off the surface of the earth. But, we are losing that ancient war now. Some of them can exist on the surface in human disguise. Many can only live in controlled environments such as space craft and underground caverns. We are a source of many benefits to them. Some of us are their hybrids, slaves, producers of more slaves, food, sex toys, and sources of genetic material and psychic energy. A slave is most productive when he thinks he is free. http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/species1.html

Some of the good guys: There is a Galactic Federation (GF) which watches over earth, influences earth positively, has quarantined us from going to the moon and beyond. Our Navy has done it anyway using Stargate and other technologies gained from other aliens. The GF are apposed to the species which are exploiting and trying to control us.

Military personnel, who were stationed at missile silos and other missile launch sites, testified that UFO’s deactivated their war heads and missiles: http://displosureproject.org

Some of the bad guys: the greys, oranges, reptilians, dragons, insects such as the mantis and mothmen, the hybrids, Men In Black (MIBs), etc. http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/species1.html
Read the extract from Leading Edge International Research Journal #92, the KSEO 4/26/96 Interview with Alex Christopher Author of Pandora's Box and Pandora's Box II http://www.anomalous-images.com/christo.html
http://users.rcn.com/zap.dnai/grayplot.htm
See Project Redbook at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/under010.html
And at http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/redbook.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/redbook1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/redbook2.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/redbookae3.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/redbookae.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/redbookfj.html

Some solutions: technologies:
Oil, gas, and nuclear energy sources could have been replaced by existing technologies decades ago. However those technologies allow people independence from domination by the large power structures. Many land owners control land which is rich in wind, solar, biomass, water, heat-cold differentials, and other energy resources beside oil and gas. But, then the power hungry maniacs (P. H. M. s) will never be satisfied, and could not play their “Great Games”. The PHMs could not so easily send us “fodder units” (F. U. s) and “useless eaters” (U. E. s) to war. We have the central plains states and the ocean coastal states which have always had huge amounts of wind energy, one of the oldest, and least complex sources of energy. Could we possibly slow down the wind? We have the southwestern states which have huge amounts of solar energy available. Every farm can be an energy exporter if they processed their organic waists through anaerobic digesters to produce natural gas to generate electricity and fertilizer, and used solar and wind energy to generate electricity. Every home, apartment building, and commercial building could be covered by solar energy cells to generate electricity. Every stream and river could have non-damming water mills to generate electricity. The hot-cold differences, such as between the air and four feet underground (always 53 degrees F.) (imagine that the air temperature in Arizona is 120F. and the earth 4ft. underground is 53F) , inside and outside every refrigerator, heat pump, and air conditioner, the solar heat collector and the flow of cold water in pipes and in wells can be used with thermal couples to generate electricity. Electricity could be generated from every glacier and desert, from much of ground surface. This technology was perfected by NASA decades ago. Now scientists in Iceland have made a commercial electric generator.
See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2352853.stm
http://www.britannicaindia.com/nicad.asp?channel=arts&tsearch=1951

Geothermal heat sources can and some do generate electricity. Fuel cells, perfected by NASA, which convert water into electricity have existed for decades. But, we need electricity from power sources which do not add to either the net heat or pollution of the earth. I recommend
http://dieoff.org
http://displosureproject.org
http://db2.cyberweb1.com/21stcenturyradio/tree/frame.asp?page=audioarchives.html
http://www.nathanielenergy.com/
http://www.solaraccess.com/news/brieflynoted.jsp
Cold fusion works but adds to the earth’s heat and pollution. It produces many heavy metals from palladium and deuterium (heavy water), as well as radiation. Zero Point energy is a great power source, almost unlimited, but is not a solution because it takes the energy from time to produce electricity, which produces a net increase in earth’s heat, and perhaps will distort time. We need power sources which most land owners can use to generate electricity, not uranium, plutonium, palladium, oil, gas, and war. But the Bush regime will not allow these solutions. They will force us into chaos, slavery, and early death first.

Other issues:
Of course the taxing authorities’ revenues have decreased while the citizens’ needs for governments’ services have increased. The PHMs must force as many young people into the militaries in order control and exterminate each other and as many civilians as possible. The PHMs are preparing us for WWIII. The PHMs will steal all the wealth they need to conduct war. The wealthy have done everything in their power to pay less taxes, including writing the laws, using tax free trusts, moving their companies and homes to other countries, and bankrupting their companies so that there would be no income to tax. The money went somewhere.

But the governments do not rely solely on tax revenue for income. They have income producing assets which if used for operational expenses, would remove the need for taxes. But taxation means controlling citizens, a power our governments will not give up willingly. Ask to see your state’s balance sheet and statement of operations, and find out how much income your state gets from its investments. Compare that income with the state’s expenses.

The states of the United States and the Federal government have many resources which they hide, such as the drug trade, the arms trade, the slave trade, the smut trade, etc. I recommend that you read two books “Thanks for the Memories”, and “Trans-Formation of America”

Neither secession, nor violent revolution works except to play into the hands of the NWO. The U.S. Federal government would crush the secession of any state. The army of California could not stand against the U.S.’s, U.N.’s, and NATO’s forces which are already here.

If we love this country and are willing to die to defend it against all enemies, both domestic and foreign, then we will either give all of our resources to charities, make your own tax free trust, stop paying taxes, protest, educate yourself and others, fill the prisons and concentration camps, maintain work and hunger strikes, and march to the guillotines and microwaved ovens un-cowed, or we will resist in every other way, or we will break down and become slaves. Remember, any group will be infiltrated. Clandestine, resistance operations only work with one or two people. Both people must be trustworthy, committed to resistance, courageous, discerning, informed, action oriented, and can keep his/her mouth shut. Never bring in a third person.

Each of us has his/her breaking point. Before that point, we experience accumulated trauma, then Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) where we become drastically less able to care for our selves and our loved ones. We must understand the nature and treatment of PTSD to keep from breaking down completely.

Peace, courage, and joy,
Jon Carl Skoglund
“God gave a free man a clearing in the forest.”

Posted by Free Man @ 12/15/2002 01:12 AM EST

Don't Fear a Smallpox Outbreak
By Sherri Tenpenny, DO, © 2002

http://chetday.com/smallpoxepidemic.htm

This is a good article with facts that totally blow away the hype about smallpox. I personally think that the reason for injection is to implant mu chips.

Posted by webber @ 12/15/2002 04:46 AM EST

Hi vox--To Free Man: Thanks for cheery news on americanholocaust site.

Think i'll go shopping now--and stop for some fast food--and then come home and watch tv--and think real hard about who i'll vote for in next election.

Peace through Freedom, kathleen

Posted by kathleen beatty @ 12/15/2002 08:47 AM EST

In response to ObviousMan. You are right about what is going to happen. It was detailed by the CFR in a report on their website.

the report is id=5099 on their website if you click on any other report you can change the id= to 5099 and 5100

Posted by Max @ 12/15/2002 09:01 AM EST

US News & World Reports (aka Useless News & World Distort) reported that Clinton ordered 666 for an estate of his.

Oh how wonderful.

Posted by Max @ 12/15/2002 09:16 AM EST

US News & World Reports (aka Useless News & World Distort) reported that Clinton ordered 666 trees for an estate of his.

Oh how wonderful.

Posted by Max @ 12/15/2002 09:16 AM EST

Please see my latest info portal: http://www.prisonplanet.com - an http://www.infowars.com production.

Posted by Alex Jones @ 12/15/2002 10:28 AM EST

Secession-more

Sfweeklt.com’s opinion writer proposes the secession of California from the U.S.A.
http://sfweekly.com/issues/2002-11-27/smith.html/1/index.html

Note that a few weeks after the secessionists in California declared independence from Spain, California was proclaimed by the captain of a U.S. gunboat to be a territory of the U.S.A. What happened then? California’s ruling Spaniards did not have the strength to hold California. Was the result a war with Spain? I do not know. I’ll have to do some research. Is the writer of this article advocating treason? Is his advocacy of secession an act of treason?

Texas’ history was similar but took much longer from the beginning of the rebellion against Spain to Texas’ joining the union.

Both cases happened because the numbers of immigrants from the U.S.A. overwhelmed the Spanish rulers.

The war of secession of the U.S.A.’s southern states was against tyranny. Both sides, the northern states, the Federal government, the secessionist states all had tyrannical behaviors. More than 500,000 were killed in that civil war. Both sides were agitated and financed by the British and French.

We face now overwhelming immigration from Mexico. Some of these immigrants want the be benefits of living here, but also want their Mexican culture and population to rule. Do they really want to be ruled by Mexico, or do they want their independent nation? Would they tyrannize their non-Chicano citizens?

The tyranny which we face is universal.

Peace, courage, and joy,

Jon Carl Skoglund
“God gave a free man a clearing in the forest.”

Posted by Free Man @ 12/15/2002 08:14 PM EST

It is possible that some states may choose to ally themselves within the United States in solid opposition to Washington over a policy. Possible but unlikely. More likely is that as state funded programs go broke or disappear the government itself ceases to function and services are sub-contracted out to corporations like Enron or Carlyle. We do not think of ourselves as consitituents or as citizens but as taxpayers.

Posted by Publius @ 12/15/2002 11:20 PM EST

Eugenics, genocide, and population control

I don’t believe that we can secede from the New World Order. Which of us have been designated by the elite to be second rate, mere “fodder units”, “useless eaters”, “surplus”, and therefore to be killed when we are no longer useful to them?

Is there a statute of limitations on murder, and conspiracy to commit murder? No!

Below are some references to the Council on Foreign Relations, eugenics, genocide, and population control:
An index to many sites: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2807/
The Road Show of Deception: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2807/RoadShow1.html
The Depopulation Bomb: http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/depopulation.htm

"The first task is population control at home. How do we go about it? Many of my colleagues feel that some sort of compulsory birth regulation would be necessary to achieve such control. One plan often mentioned involves the addition of temporary sterilants to water supplies or staple food. Doses of the antidote would be carefully rationed by the government to produce the desired population size."
Paul Ehrlich, The Population Bomb, p.135

"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."
— Ted Turner - CNN founder and UN supporter - quoted in the The McAlvany Intelligence Advisor, June '96
"Childbearing [should be] a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license ... All potential parents [should be] required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing."
— David Brower - first Executive Director of the Sierra Club; founder of Friends of the Earth; and founder of the Earth Island Institute - quoted by Dixie Lee Ray, Trashing the Planet, p.166
"If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels."
— Prince Phillip - Duke of Edinburgh, leader of the World Wildlife Fund - quoted in 'Are You Ready For Our New Age Future?', Insiders Report, American Policy Center, December '95
"The world has a cancer, and that cancer is man." — Merton Lambert - former spokesman for the Rockefeller Foundation - Harpeth Journal, December 18, '62
"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill ... All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."
— Alexander King, Bertrand Schneider - founder and secretary, respectively, of the Club of Rome - The First Global Revolution, pp.104-105
"[Sterilization could] be applied to an ever widening circle of social discards, beginning always with the criminal, the diseased and the insane, and extending gradually to types which may be called weaklings rather than defectives, and perhaps ultimately to worthless race types."
— From The Passing of the Great Race by Madison Grant, co-founder American Eugenics Society
"I think we have failed to take into account a trait which is almost universal and is very deep in human nature. People simply are not willing to accept the idea that the genetic base on which their character was formed is inferior and should not be repeated in the next generation. We have asked whole groups of people to accept this idea and we have asked individuals to accept it. They have constantly refused and we have all but killed the eugenic movement ... they won't accept the idea that they are in general second rate. We must rely on other motivation. ... it is surely possible to build a system of voluntary unconscious selection. But the reasons advanced must be generally acceptable reasons. Let's stop telling anyone that they have a generally inferior genetic quality, for they will never agree. Let's base our proposals on the desirability of having children born in homes where they will get affectionate and responsible care, and perhaps our proposals will be accepted."
— From "Galton and Mid Century Eugenics" by Frederick Osborn, Galton Lecture 1956, in Eugenics Review, vol. 48, 1, 1956

"Those least fit to carry on the race are increasing most rapidly ... Funds that should be used to raise the standard of our civilization are diverted to maintenance of those who should never have been born."
— From The Pivot of Civilization quoted in Margaret Sanger(founder of Planned Parenthood), by Elsah Droghin

An excerpt from Jim Keith's Casebook on Alternative 3: UFOs, Secret Societies and World Control
Chapter 11

“Educator John Taylor Gatto, voted New York's Top Teacher of 1991, further comments on the mechanisms: “
"Social machinery to suppress proliferation of systematic families... has two components: one, a campaign aimed at family-formation before it commences, employing such tactics as encouragement of personal greed (best enjoyed in bachelor style, of course), public pornographic celebrations of the body parts of nubile young woman, effortless divorce, mass adoption, tolerance of sexual ambiguity, and many similar tactics. The second component aims at producing pseudo-families: small households (whether biological or synthetic) without any overriding loyalty to the common family cause. Instead, these are associations of expedience wearing the costume of affection and concern, but always on the lookout for a better deal... During the childhood phase, parents in pseudo-families are made use of by the state to transmit certain values, to maintain and discipline a new serf class composed of their own children, and to report radical cases of deviance to medical, police and re-training authorities... It is a system infused in many places with such black genius in understanding crowd control it is hard not to stand in awe of its unseen architects."

“The Scientific Background of the Nazi Race Purification Program, US & German Eugenics, Ethnic Cleansing, Genocide, and Population Control…” by T. D. Hall, Ph.D.
http://www.trufax.org/avoid/nazi.html

It seems that the “extremely smart” people (ESPs) have been and will continue to kill those whom the ESPs, or should I say the power hungry maniacs (PHMs), do not want to live. How? Every way possible: war, rebellion, revolution, greed, anxiety, fear, hatred, racism, rivalries, fanaticism, immorality, divorce, abortion, pollution, famine, diseases, vaccinations, infertility drugs, sterilizations, genetically engineered foods, earth quakes, volcanoes, storms, floods, medical malpractice, assassinations, slavery, mass poisoning by spraying heavy metals and other toxins, electromagnetic weapons, nuclear reactor waste, drugs in our water, weapons of mass destruction, over work, slave wages, imprisonment, torture, execution, etc.

My father said, for the first time in his life that I can remember, at age 88 while he suffered from Alzheimer’s disease,
“Only northern Europeans deserve to be Christians.”
He never before spoke racist thoughts before.

In January 1998, I became homeless when my Alzheimer’s sick father commanded me to leave his home. I respected his wish and left. I had been caring for my parents, both of whom suffered from Alzheimer’s, since September 1996. I camped near by in a state park, and later behind a truck stop. I had no money left. I had worked for 25 years creating and maintaining computer software. I got a temporary job at a chicken processing plant 20 miles away. For three weeks my job was to lift whole chickens from a conveyor belt, at waist level, to two moving shackle belts at eye level. Each chicken weighed about 5 pounds. They were cold and wet. I lifted one each second with each hand. I lifted (2 hands x 5 lbs x 60 seconds x 60 minutes x 8 hours.= 288,000 lbs) per 8 hour shift. I was one of the slowest. After 14 days, both of my hands, wrists, and forearms stopped working due to pain. The company’s Doctor said that I could do no more repetitive work. There was no other kind of work available. At the table after my last shift, I sat with 5 women workers, four of whom were injured, but had to keep working light duty jobs until they healed. Several lost many abilities such as being able to open doors, and lifting their infant children. My wage was not enough to live on if I had been renting. Camping was free and freezing. I had to ask DHS for food stamps once I could not work. Each job I had since has brought back the pain in my hands, wrists, and forearms. I continued t help my parents as much as possible. When my parents’ needs became too great, six months later, I moved back into their home and disregarded my father’s rages. My parents both died near the beginning of 2002. Father was 90 and mother was 85.

If the New World Order had had its way, it would have put me and my parents to death.

How long will we be useful to the NWO when they have full control? Will we and our children be sterilized by either vaccination, our food, or some other means with out your consent? Consider Monsanto’s “Terminator Seed” genetically engineered technology which produces seeds that will grow only infertile plants. These plants’ seeds will either be our food, or will be disgarded. Is this mass sterilization by genetic therapy put on all life on earth? GM foods’ genes have been proven to spread across species out of human control.

Have a nice chicken dinner, and remember all of the homeless, hungry, those wage slaves, and disabled people who prepared your food. Say a prayer of blessings and thanks for them.
Also, please pray for inspiration, mercy, grace, and justice.

Peace, courage, and joy,

Jon Carl Skoglund
“God gave a free man a clearing in the forest.”

Posted by Free Man @ 12/16/2002 12:29 AM EST

ASKMOREQUESTIONS: Thanks for that bank letter. it was awesome.

Posted by nee hier renee demain @ 12/16/2002 04:06 AM EST

Thanks Kathleen, I'm not having a go at Americans per se, I lived there for a fair few years and love the people/country, it's just that we should all realise that there is a global agenda going on controlled by a relative few (some in America but IMO controlled from Europe), and that the US is a mere 5% of the world's population. Israel is being set-up big time, and ultimately the USA, that is a no-brainer for me.

On to other things - is Kissingdeath's resignation from the 911 "Snow Job" an almighty FUBAR? I think it is. Just goes to show that the best laid plans etc. ... and his ultra-lame excuse of "conflict of interest" with his "Consulting Firm's" dodgy dealings worldwide - ROTFLMAO!!!

Gimme a break - he could have said "no" immediately, as it was patently obvious there were huge conflicts of interest, the main one being that he is a lying murdering SOB and that is a direct conflict of the interest's of the 3,000 various nationalities that were murdered in the twin towers, and the 5,000 plus Afghanistan nationals that paid the price for an oil pipeline built by UNOCAL through their sovereign territory which was the reason for the 911 hit in the first place, that plus - 1. to get the Eurasian Oil, (followed by Saudi and Iraq Oil, see next points), 2. to provoke an anti-muslim backlash in the mid-east so that 3. the Israeli's, who were in collusion with the 911 hit in the first place could be fooled into thinking they could consolidate their power base in the mid-east when in fact 4. they are being set-up big time.

A lot of political/influential folks have been bailing lately in the USA, or refusing to take part in some of the ongoing games.

It will be interesting to see who replaces the murdering bastard.

PS VOX

Great site and opprortunity to say some things, FYI I would have put this under the Kissindeath nose-picking link but no more comments are being accepted for that one.

Posted by andy @ 12/16/2002 07:28 AM EST

VOXFUX in trouble?

Dear Valis
Thank you for your excellent site.
At 10 oclock this morning (Dec 13) Approximately 40 agents from a joint group of CIA, FBI, And Major Crimes unit. Surrounded my home on Long Island New York (I was not there) and entered and proceeded to conduct a thorough search and removal operation while detaining a tennant who occupuys an apartment on the premises. I am in contact with my counsel (from NYCLU) NY Civil Liberties Union. (Norm Seigal)

I will try to make a further update tommorrow. As for now I wish someone could archive as many of the articles on my voxnyc.com site as possible. I apologize for such a brief note but it has been a terrible moment and I am literally on the run. I do not wish this information to be released until after I have suitable time to consult with my counsul maybe a day or two. Thank you

vox

Note: He's had a broken graphic on his page for days now. His hotmail inbox is stuffed to capacity, which I am assuming means that he has not been checking his mail, nor did he send me anymore updates.

Posted by valis @ 12/16/2002 11:41 AM EST

I think that the Kissinger appointment was a torpedo shot by Bush. Bush never wanted to have a 911 investigation . His lies might be found out. It seems to me that all of the criminals that are in the administration will bring his downfall anyway.

Posted by THX113 @ 12/16/2002 11:43 AM EST

Government: Political Essayist Voxfux - A Massive Manhunt
Posted by: valis on Dec 17, 2002 - 03:47 AM

At 10AM on Friday the 13th, A combined task force from the Secret Service, FBI, CIA, and Major Crimes Unit raided a Long Island home believed to be that of the political essayist who writes under the pen name Voxfux.

There were simultaneous raids at several locations throughout New York City and Brooklyn.

Voxfux is represented by Norman Seigal (From NYCLU). The civil rights lawyer Ron Cuby is also involved in the discussions.

Later in the day Vox was interviewed at an undisclosed location with Amy Goodman from the radio program Democracy Now.

There has been no formal charges presented so far. Neighbors were issued orders to contact the Authorities upon seeing or hearing from the man believed to be behind the caustic pen.

A neighbor, who wished to remain anonymous for fear of violating any orders of the combined law enforcement effort, spoke praises of her neighbor, "There's no way he's a terrorist, he's a sweetheart, I don't believe it for one minute. I've known him for seventeen years. He's an artist and a writer. This is rediculous."

The case has the potential to be a lightening rod for civil libertarians, coming just days after the passage of the controversial Homeland Security Act. The articles Believed to be penned by the mystery writer can be found at www.voxnyc.com

from IndyMedia thread:

Voxfux has been making appearances throughout the day in the East Village talking a lot to a lot of people. He's pissed. But he is definately NOT in their custody.

I saw one of his assistants who confirmed the Amy Goodman interview. She told me that Voxfux has requested that the interview NOT be aired at this time.

He told me to tell everyone to not have fear. He feels like a lion and never had more resolve in his life.

Posted by WOW, Is this TRUE? @ 12/17/2002 12:41 PM EST

LONG LIVE VOXFUX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is food for you:

Smallpox Vaccine Test Results from Baylor College of Medicine

Foreword by Leonard G. Horowitz, D.M.D., M.A., M.P.H.

The following article by Jon Rappoport is the first I’ve seen reporting the harmful and possibly devastating effects of the Bush administration’s rapidly advancing smallpox vaccination program. These results were previously predicted as expected outcomes by this author and many, many others.

I interject this foreword to alert you to the additional support cited below for the thesis raised earlier that the smallpox vaccination program is part of a genocidal agenda facilitated by the Bush administration’s “War on Terrorism” and their current efforts to “immunize” the population against smallpox and later anthrax.

In reality, this policy aims to induce chronic illness, additional healthcare expenditures (including pharmaceutical sales) and, ultimately, population reduction in America.

Given the information below, and far more published elsewhere, this is certainly the anticipated outcome of this “preventative plan” for homeland insecurity.

The “additional support,” I refer to, comes from identifying Baylor University and their College of Medicine as the site of this initial study.

The following information was compiled for the book Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse (Tetrahedron Publishing Group, 1999; www.tetrahedron.org; 1-888-508-4787) by this author along with Dr. Joseph Puleo.

Based on reputable sources, Past President George H. W. Bush’s Secretary of State, James Baker III (Florida vote scam overseer for the current president), was reported to have owned part of the vaccine manufacturing company against whom ailing Gulf War veterans had filed a lawsuit.

Moreover, Mr. Bush is said to have been a major shareholder in that company—Tanox Biosystems of Houston.

It is also well known that this past president, father to the current president, has served in an official capacity at Baylor University for some time.

Not long before becoming CIA director, certain intelligence regarding Tanox’s collaborative studies with Baylor College of Medicine concerning Mycoplasma infections and related vaccinations was available to the elder Bush.

Tanox was also closely linked to Dr. Shyh-Ching Lo, who, under employment by The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, isolated and patented a “Pathogenic Mycoplasma” originally taken from an AIDS patient, that somehow contaminated many of the vaccines given to allied military personnel traveling to the Middle East in lieu of “Operation Desert Storm.”

Only the French soldiers who did not receive the American made vaccines did not develop GWS during this earlier war with Iraq.

Further, what would seem inconceivable without seeing the documents reprinted in Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse, Tanox and Baylor College of Medicine first tested their Mycoplasma-infected vaccines on Huntsville, TX prisoners. As a result, the prisoners, and others in the community with whom the prisoners made contact, developed GWS long before the Gulf War. Thus, GWS could have been, and probably was, predicted and effected.

Furthermore, evidence compiled by lawyers for the class of people sickened by Mycoplasma incognitas and related illnesses, from Huntsville, Texas, revealed more astonishing documents. These, also published in Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse, showed that Baylor College of Medicine investigators collaborated on studies of vaccinated Huntsville prison inmates beginning in 1968.

Mycoplasma inoculations, as well as Mycoplasma vaccination studies, were listed as having begun in 1970 under U.S. Army contracts. Incredibly, Baylor’s contract literally raised the specter of “ethnic cleansing” or racial genocide as it proved cervical cancer studies comparing Christian versus Muslim women, as well as Jewish versus Black women, were in progress.

Thus, to have this Bush administration authorized smallpox vaccine study be conducted at Baylor, where the senior Bush has served in an official capacity, with imput from the Tanox-linked College of Medicine is chilling.

This is especially so considering the fact that today, unlike the early 1970s when the early Mycoplasma studies began, Mycoplasma is now considered among the most common vaccine contaminants. It is also currently linked to the recent onset of pandemic Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome and many other illnesses, including certain expressions of HIV/AIDS.

In conclusion, as I wrote elsewhere and said often, if you see “first responders” coming to inoculate you with “cow pus,” which is virtually what the smallpox vaccination is in its purest unadulterated form, run away and hide.

SMALLPOX VACCINE RESULTS ARE IN

DECEMBER 9. The first returns are in on the smallpox vaccine.

A recent multi-center US government clinical trial on 200 'young adults' has been completed, MSNBC reports. The volunteers who got the shot were very healthy to begin with. One researcher, Kathy Edwards, called them the 'crème de la crème.'

Okay? So get this. 'Yet when she [Edwards] inoculated them with smallpox vaccine, arms swelled, temperatures spiked and panic spread [at Baylor University]. It was the same at clinics in Iowa, Tennessee, and California.'

Stats: After the shot, one-third of the volunteers missed at least a day of work or school.

75 out of 200 experienced high fever.

'Several were put on antibiotics because physicians worried that their blisters signaled a bacterial infection.'

Wow. And look, smallpox is a VIRUS, and antibiotics DON'T WORK against viruses. So, in essence, the researchers were inferring that the vaccine SUPPRESSED THE IMMUNE SYSTEMS of the volunteers- --thus allowing bacterial infections to bloom suddenly---OR the vaccine was contaminated with bacteria to begin with.

Researcher Edwards, who headed up the study, said, 'I can read all day about it [the adverse effects of the vaccine], but seeing it is quite impressive. The reactions we saw were really quite remarkable.'

When a researcher makes a comment like this, you know some very bad things are happening.

AND THIS WAS A POPULATION OF EXTREMELY HEALTHY VOLUNTEERS. YOUNG ADULTS WHO SHOULD BE AT THE VERY PEAK OF LIFE, WITH THEIR IMMUNE DEFENSES FULLY INTACT.

Of course, this story didn't get much play in the press.

But the handwriting is on the wall. Anyone can see what'll happen if they start shooting up people by the millions with the vaccine.

For example, people who don't qualify as severely immune suppressed by any obvious assessment, but still do, in fact, have reduced immune capacity---AND THAT IS A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE.---these folks will be AT GREAT RISK from the vaccine.

This government study is KEY. Because later on, they will try to cover up the devastating effects of the vaccine. They will lie, distort, omit. But right now, here it is. Out in the open. The results, for all to see.

Let me tell you something. The CDC WANTED to release the results of this study. They wanted to go on the record now, before the stuff really hits the fan. They are very frightened of being nailed for killing people with the vaccine.

About the author: Jon Rappoport has worked as a free-lance investigative reporter for 20 years. He has written articles on politics, health, media, culture and art for LA Weekly, Spin Magazine, Stern, Village Voice, Nexus, CBS Healthwatch, and other newspapers and magazines in the US and Europe. His website is: http://www.stratiawire.com

This article was provided courtesy of Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz and Tetrahedron Publishing Group

SMALLPOX VACCINE EFFECTS ....
OR DO YOU STILL WANT
THAT SMALLPOX SHOT??
By Jon Rappoport

Posted by Terrorinyreye @ 12/17/2002 01:21 PM EST

GREAT JOB Terrorinyreye Keep the Truth Comming !!!

http://www.whale.to/v/rapp.html
Jon Rappoport interview of ex vaccine researcher

JON RAPPOPORT

Q: You were once certain that vaccines were the hallmark of good medicine.

A: Yes I was. I helped develop a few vaccines. I won't say which ones.

Q: Why not?

A: I want to preserve my privacy.

Q: So you think you could have problems if you came out into the open?

A: I believe I could lose my pension.

Q: On what grounds?

A: The grounds don't matter. These people have ways of causing you
problems, when you were once part of the Club. I know one or two people
who were put under surveillance, who were harassed.

Q: Harassed by whom?

A: The FBI.

Q: Really?

A: Sure. The FBI used other pretexts. And the IRS can come calling too.

Q: So much for free speech.

A: I was "part of the inner circle." If now I began to name names and
make specific accusations against researchers, I could be in a world of
trouble.

Q: What is at the bottom of these efforts at harassment?

A: Vaccines are the last defense of modern medicine. Vaccines are the
ultimate justification for the overall "brilliance" of modern medicine.

Q: Do you believe that people should be allowed to choose whether they
should get vaccines?

A: On a political level, yes. On a scientific level, people need
information, so that they can choose well. It's one thing to say choice is
good. But if the atmosphere is full of lies, how can you choose?
Also, if the FDA were run by honorable people, these vaccines would not be
granted licenses. They would be investigated to within an inch of their
lives.

Q: There are medical historians who state that the overall decline of
illnesses was not due to vaccines.

A: I know. For a long time, I ignored their work.

Q: Why?

A: Because I was afraid of what I would find out. I was in the business
of developing vaccines. My livelihood depended on continuing that work.

Q: And then?

A: I did my own investigation.

Q: What conclusions did you come to?

A: The decline of disease is due to improved living conditions.

Q: What conditions?

A: Cleaner water. Advanced sewage systems. Nutrition. Fresher food.
A decrease in poverty. Germs may be everywhere, but when you are healthy,
you don't contract the diseases as easily.

Q: What did you feel when you completed your own investigation?

A: Despair. I realized I was working a sector based on a collection of lies.

Q: Are some vaccines more dangerous than others?

A: Yes. The DPT shot, for example. The MMR. But some lots of a vaccine
are more dangerous than other lots of the same vaccine. As far as I'm
concerned, all vaccines are dangerous.

Q: Why?

A: Several reasons. They involve the human immune system in a process
that tends to compromise immunity. They can actually cause the disease
they are supposed to prevent. They can cause other diseases than the ones
they are supposed to prevent.

Q: Why are we quoted statistics which seem to prove that vaccines have
been tremendously successful at wiping out diseases?

A: Why? To give the illusion that these vaccines are useful. If a
vaccine suppresses visible symptoms of a disease like measles, everyone
assumes that the vaccine is a success. But, under the surface, the vaccine
can harm the immune system itself. And if it causes other diseases -- say,
meningitis -- that fact is masked, because no one believes that the vaccine
can do that. The connection is overlooked.

Q: It is said that the smallpox vaccine wiped out smallpox in England.

A: Yes. But when you study the available statistics, you get another
picture.

Q: Which is?

A: There were cities in England where people who were not vaccinated did
not get smallpox. There were places where people who were vaccinated
experienced smallpox epidemics. And smallpox was already on the decline
before the vaccine was introduced.

Q: So you're saying that we have been treated to a false history.

A: Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. This is a history that has been
cooked up to convince people that vaccines are invariably safe and effective.

Q: Now, you worked in labs. Where purity was an issue.

A: The public believes that these labs, these manufacturing facilities are
the cleanest places in the world. That is not true. Contamination occurs
all the time. You get all sorts of debris introduced into vaccines.

Q: For example, the SV40 monkey virus slips into the polio vaccine.

A: Well yes, that happened. But that's not what I mean. The SV40 got
into the polio vaccine because the vaccine was made by using monkey kidneys.
But I'm talking about something else. The actual lab conditions. The
mistakes. The careless errors. SV40, which was later found in cancer
tumors -- that was what I would call a structural problem. It was an
accepted part of the manufacturing process. If you use monkey kidneys, you
open the door to germs which you don't know are in those kidneys.

Q: Okay, but let's ignore that distinction between different types of
contaminants for a moment. What contaminants did you find in your many
years of work with vaccines?

A: All right. I'll give you some of what I came across, and I'll also
give you what colleagues of mine found. Here's a partial list. In the
Rimavex measles vaccine, we found various chicken viruses. In polio
vaccine, we found acanthamoeba, which is a so-called "brain-eating"
amoeba.
Simian cytomegalovirus in polio vaccine. Simian foamy virus in the
rotavirus vaccine. Bird-cancer viruses in the MMR vaccine. Various
micro-organisms in the anthrax vaccine. I've found potentially dangerous
enzyme inhibitors in several vaccines. Duck, dog, and rabbit viruses in
the rubella vaccine. Avian leucosis virus in the flu vaccine. Pestivirus
in the MMR vaccine.

Q: Let me get this straight. These are all contaminants which don't
belong in the vaccines.

A: That's right. And if you try to calculate what damage these
contaminants can cause, well, we don't really know, because no testing has
been done, or very little testing. It's a game of roulette. You take your
chances. Also, most people don't know that some polio vaccines, adenovirus
vaccines, rubella and hep A and measles vaccines have been made with
aborted human fetal tissue. I have found what I believed were bacterial
fragments and poliovirus in these vaccines from time to time -- which may
have come from that fetal tissue. When you look for contaminants in
vaccines, you can come up with material that IS puzzling. You know it
shouldn't be there, but you don't know exactly what you've got. I have
found what I believed was a very small "fragment" of human hair and also
human mucus. I have found what can only be called "foreign protein," which
could mean almost anything.
It could mean protein from viruses.

Q: Alarm bells are ringing all over the place.

A: How do you think I felt? Remember, this material is going into the
bloodstream without passing through some of the ordinary immune defenses.

Q: How were your findings received?

A: Basically, it was, don't worry, this can't be helped. In making
vaccines, you use various animals' tissue, and that's where this kind of
contamination enters in. Of course, I'm not even mentioning the standard
chemicals like formaldehyde, mercury, and aluminum which are purposely put
into vaccines.

Q: This information is pretty staggering.

A: Yes. And I'm just mentioning some of the biological contaminants.
Who knows how many others there are? Others we don't find because we don't
think to look for them. If tissue from, say, a bird is used to make a
vaccine, how many possible germs can be in that tissue? We have no idea.
We have no idea what they might be, or what effects they could have on humans.

Q: And beyond the purity issue?

A: You are dealing with the basic faulty premise about vaccines.
That they intricately stimulate the immune system to create the conditions
for immunity from disease. That is the bad premise. It doesn't work that
way.
A vaccine is supposed to "create" antibodies which, indirectly, offer
protection against disease. However, the immune system is much larger and
more involved than antibodies and their related "killer cells."

Q: The immune system is?

A: The entire body, really. Plus the mind. It's all immune system, you
might say. That is why you can have, in the middle of an epidemic, those
individuals who remain healthy.

Q: So the level of general health is important.

A: More than important. Vital.

Q: How are vaccine statistics falsely presented?

A: There are many ways. For example, suppose that 25 people who have
received the hepatitis B vaccine come down with hepatitis. Well, hep B is
a liver disease. But you can call liver disease many things. You can
change the diagnosis. Then, you've concealed the root cause of the problem.

Q: And that happens?

A: All the time. It HAS to happen, if the doctors automatically assume
that people who get vaccines DO NOT come down with the diseases they are
now supposed to be protected from. And that is exactly what doctors assume.
You see, it's circular reasoning. It's a closed system. It admits no
fault. No possible fault. If a person who gets a vaccine against
hepatitis gets hepatitis, or gets some other disease, the automatic
assumption is, this had nothing to do with the disease.

Q: In your years working in the vaccine establishment, how many doctors
did you encounter who admitted that vaccines were a problem?

A: None. There were a few who privately questioned what they were doing.
But they would never go public, even within their companies.

Q: What was the turning point for you?

A: I had a friend whose baby died after a DPT shot.

Q: Did you investigate?

A: Yes, informally. I found that this baby was completely healthy before
the vaccination. There was no reason for his death, except the vaccine.
That started my doubts. Of course, I wanted to believe that the baby had
gotten a bad shot from a bad lot. But as I looked into this further, I
found that was not the case in this instance. I was being drawn into a
spiral of doubt that increased over time. I continued to investigate.
I found that, contrary to what I thought, vaccines are not tested in a
scientific way.

Q: What do you mean?

A: For example, no long-term studies are done on any vaccines.
Long-term follow-up is not done in any careful way. Why? Because, again,
the assumption is made that vaccines do not cause problems. So why should
anyone check? On top of that, a vaccine reaction is defined so that all
bad reactions are said to occur very soon after the shot is given. But
that does not make sense.

Q: Why doesn't it make sense?

A: Because the vaccine obviously acts in the body for a long period of
time after it is given. A reaction can be gradual. Deterioration can be
gradual. Neurological problems can develop over time. They do in various
conditions, even according to a conventional analysis. So why couldn't
that be the case with vaccines? If chemical poisoning can occur gradually,
why couldn't that be the case with a vaccine which contains mercury?

Q: And that is what you found?

A: Yes. You are dealing with correlations, most of the time.
Correlations are not perfect. But if you get 500 parents whose children
have suffered neurological damage during a one-year period after having a
vaccine, this should be sufficient to spark off an intense investigation.

Q: Has it been enough?

A: No. Never. This tells you something right away.

Q: Which is?

A: The people doing the investigation are not really interested in looking
at the facts. They assume that the vaccines are safe. So, when they do
investigate, they invariably come up with exonerations of the vaccines.
They say, "This vaccine is safe." But what do they base those judgments
on? They base them on definitions and ideas which automatically rule out a
condemnation of the vaccine.

Q: There are numerous cases where a vaccine campaign has failed.
Where people have come down with the disease against which they were
vaccinated.

A: Yes, there are many such instances. And there the evidence is simply
ignored. It's discounted. The experts say, if they say anything at all,
that this is just an isolated situation, but overall the vaccine has been
shown to be safe. But if you add up all the vaccine campaigns where damage
and disease have occurred, you realize that these are NOT isolated situations.

Q: Did you ever discuss what we are talking about here with colleagues,
when you were still working in the vaccine establishment?

A: Yes I did.

Q: What happened?

A: Several times I was told to keep quiet. It was made clear that I
should go back to work and forget my misgivings. On a few occasions, I
encountered fear. Colleagues tried to avoid me. They felt they could be
labeled with "guilt by association." All in all, though, I behaved myself.
I made sure I didn't create problems for myself.

Q: If vaccines actually do harm, why are they given?

A: First of all, there is no "if." They do harm. It becomes a more
difficult question to decide whether they do harm in those people who seem
to show no harm. Then you are dealing with the kind of research which
should be done, but isn't. Researchers should be probing to discover a
kind of map, or flow chart, which shows exactly what vaccines do in the
body from the moment they enter. This research has not been done. As to
why they are given, we could sit here for two days and discuss all the
reasons. As you've said many times, at different layers of the system
people have their motives. Money, fear of losing a job, the desire to win
brownie points, prestige, awards, promotion, misguided idealism, unthinking
habit, and so on. But, at the highest levels of the medical cartel,
vaccines are a top priority because they cause a weakening of the immune
system. I know that may be hard to accept, but it's true. The medical
cartel, at the highest level, is not out to help people, it is out to harm
them, to weaken them.
To kill them. At one point in my career, I had a long conversation with a
man who occupied a high government position in an African nation. He told
me that he was well aware of this. He told me that WHO is a front for
these depopulation interests. There is an underground, shall we say, in
Africa, made up of various officials who are earnestly trying to change the
lot of the poor. This network of people knows what is going on. They know
that vaccines have been used, and are being used, to destroy their
countries, to make them ripe for takeover by globalist powers. I have had
the opportunity to speak with several of these people from this network.

Q: Is Thabo Mbeki, the president of South Africa, aware of the situation?

A: I would say he is partially aware. Perhaps he is not