VOXNYC: "Happy New Year - Lets finish the pigs off this year"

01/02/2003 Entry: "Happy New Year - Lets finish the pigs off this year"

Happy New Year !
Make it a year of unyielding pressure on the criminal Bush regime
by voxfux

HAPPY NEW YEAR - let it be a year of unrelenting and unyielding pressure to expose and halt the policies and criminality of the group of WAR PROFITEERS who have seized control of the functions of state of the republic of the United States of America and subverted and undermined their purpose from one of democratic processes to those identifiable as clearly “fascistic.”

The reckless policies of this administration have undermined the safety and security of the future generations of the citizens this republic, for the treasonous purpose of rampant and obvious war profiteering.

We the people resolve to halt the illegal and unconstitutional schemes of obvious and aggressive war profiteerers who have gripped the nation and diverted the course of this great republic from peace to belligerence, from prosperity to despair, from being admired to being despised, from happiness to fear, from security to endangerment.

Make no mistake about it, this criminal group who has seized the mechanisms of state are using them as vehicle to enhance the personal fortunes of a select few bloodlines through rampant WAR PROFITEERING SCHEMES. Killing thousands in the process and visiting upon generations of American citizens the certain enmity and retaliation from the worlds populations. All along achieving little of substantive geostrategic objectives, vis-a-vis, what will assuredly be the devastating real cost of a world united against America and the retaliation that is guaranteed to be suffered upon untold generations of Americans.

ALL nations of this planet are unanimously united in opposition to the policies of the current junta which has seized the mechanisms of state. Bush is endangering the very future survival of this great American republic through his reckless and religious pursuit of oil and defense PROFITEERING. Bush and his cabal of war profiteers are cashing in right now. Their principle objective is the transfer of the funds of the US treasury into the private hands of a select few corporations aligned with their program of control through fear.

Let 2003 be a year of unyielding defiance against these cowardly war profiteers.

vox

Viewer Commentary: 121 comments

Does a European - American war draw near? Not sure myself about that, but there certainly is potential for it. And have I considered this as a possibility for a while now...

We see a lot about America here (you're American so that's fair)...but what is going on in the rest of the world? England seems to be having the same problems...but there is a distinct difference here. In England the population for generations have been under the thumbs of the ruling classes. The "Lords", "Dukes", "Kings" and "Queens", so it comes natural to an English man to give up their individualism to another.

Here, like in the US, the Government prepares for war. Recent news; 7000 Police are going to be trained and armed to cordon off cities in the event of biological and/or chemical attack. A job which would usually be reserved for the army is being given to the Police...and their objective is to put down any resistance and isolate any cities that are attacked.

60 million vaccinations for small pox are being stockpiled. Enough for the entire UK population.

Talk of "racial" equality is rife. This is double speak for any race other than your own benefits, and we enter self degradation. Basically, English people are stuffed.

The current political struggles, profiteering and control are so entrenched into the psyche of the population that it will continue throughout 2003.

We seem to forget that this isn't just a mental and physical war, it is a spiritual war. They want to own your soul. They have given theirs to Satan...and they won't be happy until everyone else is as damned as they are. Nilhism, Science and Profit are the new religions, and everyone wants to be an acolyte. How do we combat this VOX? Because this is the root of our problems. Not some chimp sitting in the White House...his soul has gone and he is indebted to another master. This same Master tempts every American and world citizen. With what do we fight? How do we cut out the poison in peoples hearts? The Bankers and Administrators can do all they wish, but the moment this poisoned taint has gone, they have nothing. No control, no power, no money. They will loose, simply because people will have no fear, and no greed. That is the power they have...their hands are tight around the greedy little human heart.

So how do we get them to release it? How do we get people to admit what they themselves are. You cannot fight an enemy until you know “self”. And once you know “self” there is no need to fight. As you say yourself their only power is FEAR…and fear only comes from lack of understanding. THIS is the knowledge that they keep from us. These are the secrets that are millennia old. Set down the weapons and look within…only then will you see the true enemy and the true source of FEAR. Know “self”!

“Who are you?”

Only then can you live…

VOX COMMENT ANNOTATION: Thank you for taking such a lofty position. Why of course I hope you are attacking this evil within each one of us, I do all the time. But we must look at this thing from a practical point of view. An evil society is comprised of evil men. At this moment it is simply a matter of practicality to address the most immediate threat, superceeding all others - that most immediate threat bieng the wreckless visionless policies of the goof in the Whitehouse. It's not the evil "within" us who drops bombs and kills the impoverished families and children in Iraq. Its the dummy in the White House that's doing that. It's not the evil within us LOOTING THE US TREASURY THROUGH RAMPANT WAR PROFITEERING SCAMS it's the war profiteering draft dodging war mongering coward in the White House. It's not the evil within each and every one of us who is horny to destroy the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge - it's the visionless jerk named George W. Bush who's itching to get a hold of some of that favorite stuff that him and his pals are so horny for - PROFITEERING.
So you see if Bushes immediate plans for the enslavement of all humans biengs within 2 years are successful then then all other struggles become null and void - We will be slaves. The sooner this retarded war profiteering filth is removed from office, the better. My philosophy promotes a healthy check on those "Internal Evils" that you mention. I, long, again to resume my life in pursuit of the fine arts and of music and literature and of creation, just as soon as I deal with the immediate and grave threat in our midst. We're like a schitsophrenic patient in an emergency room doubled over in pain, we have an immediate and potentially catastrophic problem, our leading personality is removing and selling our organs one by one. We have to stop this renegade personality and remove the immediate tumorous lump, then and only then can we address the sort of lifestyle problems which led to the tumor - The more esoteric and difficult to address "inner," threat. For the moment this George Bush idiot is the most immediate threat to the continued survival of the human species and the planet earth. And since he is such a proven dufus it should be a cinch exposing just how colossal a numbskull he truly is. Let's get to work. voxfux

Posted by Duke @ 01/02/2003 11:17 AM EST

MONEY MATRIX this could save you

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=27104
The information you are about to read may seem to be
"sensationalistic" or "extreme" at first glance; but it is only the
truth. Your author has seen many people get visibly upset when these
topics are elaborated upon. These things are very difficult to come to
terms with; and nobody wants to learn that they have been played for a
fool. There are however many things that can be done to eliminate this
condition, as we will discuss; so try to keep in the back of your mind
"Don't get angry, get even," because that is exactly what you will be
shown how to lawfully do.

It should also be stressed that ANY acts of violence, demonstrations,
or dissention are acts in futility and are things the money cabal is
waiting for; a chance to pounce. When you have mastered the dynamics
of the economic system and how your rights can be used for YOUR
betterment, you will come to understand the horrific and catastrophic
damage that can be inflicted on ANY foe with a few simple strokes of a
pen. They are unprepared to deal with an educated and patient
tactician; they become helpless and quite pathetic when standing
toe-to-toe.

PLEASE do not be upset with me personally; I had NOTHING to do with
the system as it now exists. The frustrations and anger that people
experience when first exposed to the truth is a perfectly normal
reaction. However, the system as it stands is one of the most
diabolical and nefarious things created since the time when man began
to walk upright. There really are people who are fixated on
controlling/manipulating the entire planet, and it is completely
irrelevant whether or not we can relate to, or explain, the levels of
sickness, insecurity, and the outright delusional state that would
place someone in that mind-set. Besides, that would not negate the
overall reality.

What is a certainty is that their system needs to be dismantled and
exposed for the world to see in a way that can be understood. In other
words, the real translation barrier is: that it is nearly impossible
to tell an honest person how a scam really works. The mind of a decent
and loving soul is not equipped to be on the lookout for such hideous
things; for it would never dawn on them that the danger existed in the
first place.

This work is an attempt to give the "average" person a more realistic
chance at prosperity and freedom, by showing them where the tools are
to fix the matter for themselves.

PLEASE NOTE: Your author HIGHLY recommends finding a quiet space and
the appropriate time to read and absorb this information; it is most
assuredly in your best interest to do so. Your author also recommends
(read: "begs you") to NOT use my grammatical errors, typos, or
linguistic shortcomings as a reason/excuse to ignore the overall
message; said author is "just some guy named Steve," nothing more,
nothing less.

With that in mind, let us pick up where we left off in the
introductory post of the series:
http://www.rumormillnews.net/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=26556 (consider
reading this first if you have not done so yet.)

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Right now one thing that most people have in common is debt; if you
believe "you" don't have any, you are sadly mistaken. There is not
"one" inhabitant of the United States, or any other 'alleged'
nation-state that is not in debt (share of national debt), and for
some, the high levels of personal debt are literally suffocating and
destroying them. Later on we will return to this subject, when it will
be understood in much greater detail and clarity. At that point, the
overall nefariousness of the plan behind the apparent random acts of
madness sweeping the planet should also become more obvious.

It would be worth your time to understand this material as well as
possible considering that it is a major piece of your overall
functionality within this alleged 'advanced' society we participate
in. The subject of advanced societal delusions, and mass participation
within them will also be discussed later when the timing is more
appropriate.

Debt can be broken-down into two basic (but non-inclusive) categories:
Secured and Unsecured.

Blacks Law 7th edition: "Secured debt. A debt backed by collateral."

A "Secured debt" is one where an accommodation party, asset,
collateral, or tangible is pledged as a security in the event a
borrower/debtor should default on the original promise-to-pay; this
enables the lender to take immediate and total control of the
Security. This also reduces the overall exposure/risk to that which
might exist beyond the value of the security, and in most cases is an
incentive to enter into the agreement.

Blacks Law 7th edition: "Unsecured debt. A debt not supported by
collateral or other security."

An "Unsecured debt" has nothing in terms of collateral to support it,
other than the 'Signature' given to initiate the promise to pay. The
primary reason that there is such a wide and available market for
unsecured debt is because of the exorbitant interest rates attached
for the "privilege" of having it. The underlying issue is that the
usury credit cycle is nearing an end, and the only "money" to be had
by the common man must be borrowed; thus deepening the dependence on
borrowed money, and accelerating the mathematical CERTAINTY of an
individual default/bankruptcy. This phenomenon has been leading to a
GLOBAL super-cycle bankruptcy/default that will soon reach a critical
mass. You can feel it coming, can't you?

To expedite this initial example, your author will describe the
unsecured debt issue first. This particular form of debt is what
almost everyone with a pulse can relate to in some form, and is what
this author considers to be the most bizarre. Common forms of
unsecured debt (A.K.A. - Signature loans) would be: store-cards,
credit-cards, student loans, medical bills/hospital bills, and taxes.

The recent two-year trend toward refinancing ones 'secured' debts
(i.e. a home), to extract equity for consolidation of other debt
(implying to "secure" the unsecured debt) has not occurred by mere
chance or accident; in fact, there exists a very nefarious set of
reasons why this is occurring right now and those reasons will be
elaborated on shortly. In short, the extraction of remaining equity
with the seductive 'siren-song' of write-offs for tax purposes, and
'interest savings' is nothing short of the worst possible choice to
make for your real long-term outlook.

The truth is, an unsecured debt can be written-off/discharged so
easily that words can not adequately describe the action. This is
something the money cabal knows very well, and has made every effort
to snare as many people as possible into trading their home equity for
unsecured debts payment and consolidation. What every recent mortgage
holder may not be aware of is a little known legal nightmare called
"UCC Revised Article 9." This abomination is now included in most
mortgages to allow for the non-judicial strict foreclosure in the
event of a default. Translated into plain English, this means that the
bankers can have the local County Sheriff evict the current occupant
without ever having to appear in court to defend their position.

By tapping into the remaining equity positions established during the
boom, the average individual or family now has little to no financial
cushion; this very fact has exponentially increased the likelihood of
default. What is more important/alarming is that the bankers, and
their masters at the fed/imf/wb, are tickled pink that people are
voluntarily trading the value established in their homes for a debt
that truly never existed. That last line is so important that I will
attempt to say the same thing in a different way to assure this
concept is NOT overlooked:

There is no money behind the 'issuance' of unsecured debt, only a
"promise to pay" initiating digital credits.

If you break your promise, or dispute the alleged debt, there is no
posted security (asset of some kind) that could be lost or taken from
you.

You have now been 'programmed' to believe that trading REAL
equity/value/public-funds for a miniscule savings in the rate of usury
to reduce your 'monthly installment payment' is a wise/sophisticated
thing to do. You have inadvertently, and voluntarily, securitized your
"unsecured debt" and made the people at the bank, and the ones behind
them unfathomably wealthy. Just think and with your money given to
them, for almost NO EFFORT other than some ledgering activities and
billing costs, they can afford all of the things that YOU can not.

The best way to describe unsecured debt is to start from the beginning
and examine: how it comes to be, how it is serviced, and how it can be
addressed and eliminated.

THE BAIT AND SWITCH:

What we have here is what was referred to as the 'bait-and-switch' in
the con and grifter/grafter rackets. Unfortunately this is not some
quaint story about some clever fella' of yesteryear; this con game is
real, and it is going on in plain view everywhere you care to look.
Getting familiar enough with the terms and overall con-job to the
point where you have obtained an under-standing is difficult at first,
but you have a most vested interest in doing so.

When an individual fills-out a credit card application, they are
normally required to state a variety of private information. It is
quite common for the debtor-in-waiting to volunteer their address,
phone number, social insecurity number and other information. At the
bottom, or end, of the agreement there is a line where the individual
applies their "Signature."

Before that word is used again, let us review the legal definition of
signature, as well as some other definitions that are relevant to
initiating an agreement or contract as stipulated in the eyes of the
law/courts.

As found in Black's Law 7th Edition:

Signature. 1. A person's name or mark written by that person or at the
person's direction. 2. Commercial law. Any name, mark, or writing used
with the intention of authenticating a document UCC §§ 1-201(39),
3-401(b)

**A link to the UCC §§ 1-201 (1-36) General Definitions, can be found
here:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/ucc1-201.text.html

**A link to the UCC §§ 3-401 (b) Signature, can be found here:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/3/3-401.html

signatory (sig-nè-tor-ee),n. A party that signs a document, personally
or through an agent, and thereby becomes a party to an agreement.

Here is a little gem gleaned from the IRS web-site taken from page two
(2) on the link:

http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:R9MQQFtflfkC:www.irs.gov/pub/irs-
sca/1998038.pdf+%22legal+definition+of+signature%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

The generally accepted legal definition of signature is very broad:

"[t]he act of putting one's name on the end of any instrument to
attest its validity; the name thus written." See Black's Law
Dictionary 1381(6th ed. 1990).

See also Webster's New International Dictionary (2d ed. 1934)(defining
signature as "the name of any person, written with his own hand to
signify that the writing which precedes accords with his wishes or
intentions").

1 U.S.C. § 1 provides that "in determining the meaning of any Act of
Congress, unless the context indicates otherwise, signature includes a
mark when the person making the same intended it as such."

Did you notice that the "latest" version of Black's Law has a
different, much more abrupt definition of Signature than the 6th
edition?? Well.that again is no accident. Every effort imaginable is
being made to disconnect the individual from the notion that your
"SIGNATURE" attests to the validity of something because YOU are
valid - you think, therefore you are. The implications of changing the
definition of signature should be taken with a bit of the shivers for
it distances the average person from justice and the availability of
remedy. However, this is not the only example of a word changing its
implied meaning slowly over time. Just like the history books are
written so that the least amount of useful information is passed off
for 'knowledge', so too are the words behind the history.

That signature also indicates that the signatory agrees that the
matters discussed (on paper or other) are within his wishes. This is a
VERY important point because if someone has 'forced' or 'fraudulently
introduced' an agreement upon you, you are not liable for the matter
if it can be proven. (N.B., this is going to play a major part in the
liberation process; the proof is 'all over the place' if you care to
operate and function outside of the 'collective'.)

This "Signature" places in motion many unique and strange events:

1. It boldly states that the signatory has consented to the full terms
of the agreement, and becomes a party to that agreement. By doing so,
the full stipulations (if any) as to how matters of conflict and
dispute are treated apply; these administrative or remedial solutions
are not always handled through standard court proceedings. Depending
on the contract, there may be provisions for Strict Foreclosure also
referred to as Non-judicial Foreclosure because the court is NOT
involved. For the most part this Non-judicial method applies to
Secured debt, and will be discussed in greater detail when that topic
arises later.

2. Many credit applications have a stipulation or inclusion, that by
applying your "Signature," ALL of the information that you have given
to be reviewed for "credit worthiness" (also via your credit-report)
is true, complete, and certain. (or "The Truth, The whole Truth, and
nothing but the Truth") In essence you are swearing that you have NOT
lied, deceived, or entered into the agreement with any preconceived
intent to commit any fraud or other nefarious means. (You did not
conduct business with the intent to screw anyone.)

In order to 'qualify' for unsecured credits, one must swear that they
are not only in a position to pay back the obligation, but are liable
for loss of privilege(s), or possible criminal prosecution. If the
legal department at the alleged creditor-in-question should determine
that there was INTENT to commit a fraudulent activity, they may elect
to further their scope of options. There is really NOTHING in that
agreement that holds the alleged creditor liable if THEY were to
commit a fraud or other nefarious act. That is because you have the
Free-will to EXIT the agreement if you can prove that the alleged
creditor has not acted in good faith. Unfortunately, the options of
the consumer or debtor are not readily discussed or KNOWN to be
available; this of course is no accident either.

3. In relation to a credit agreement, the signature is the origin and
the beginning of the 'promise-to-pay' creation process. This might
sound very strange and possibly quite alarmist, but it is 100% correct
and directly ties-into point number two (2) directly above. The
Signature is the BAIT of the bait and switch scam.

Ever since 1933 when the United States declared itself to be bankrupt
and HJR 192 (House Joint Resolution) was passed, gold ceased to be the
real baking of the currency. It was even attempted to convince the
private citizen that THEY must turn over their private holdings of
Gold and Silver. Ever since that moment the only way to lawfully
terminate a monetary obligation is through discharge Dollar for
Dollar. This is because the "Notes" known as Dollars, (or insert
worthless fiat currency 'Name' here) that we use for an exchange of
value is in all reality a DEBT obligation of a bankrupt country. There
is no value inherent in exchanging 'dollars' (Gold & Silver) as it is
actually the passing on of an obligation/liability, NOT the exchange
of VALUE. This will be elaborated on in great detail after the example
section.

4. With the application of your signature, you have created money out
of thin air. At first glance that sounds great but there is a caveat;
the NEW obligation created the PRINCIPAL, just not the interest money
that you allegedly owe. If you were to tender payment in full your
liability toward paying the interest would be negated as would the
overall liability. Wait until we discuss PRIVATE ways of tendering
that payment-in-full.

The bottom line on signatures is this: your signature is only present
as long as YOU intend it to be, and no one can PROVE otherwise. A
'hand writing analysis' can NOT bear evidence to the first hand
knowledge of facts. Your Autograph (particular scratching pattern,
style, etc.) is NOT the important point of relevance; your CONSENT is
what is signified and that has significant intrinsic value. This will
become clearer as we proceed.

Now we can say that the application can be turned-in to the future
master of your choosing. When the application/contract is received it
has become a signed document, right? Well this document is also known
as a negotiable debt instrument, a different kind of currency as
recognized by the laws and codes of commerce. (Similar to a check,
draft, certificate of deposit, etc.) A bank or lending institution has
a license to do something that mere mortals can not; they can
"monetize" a negotiable debt instrument. The creditor/lender has NOT
loaned me anything yet, they have only received a negotiable debt
instrument that has been turned into a document of substance and value
because of the SIGNATURE that it bears. That Signature represents a
living flesh-and-blood individual that is capable of performing SOME
kind of worthwhile activity or contribution; THAT is the basis of the
security and collateral that brings this 'value' into the equation.
The "Switch" in the bait and switch scam comes from what occurs next.

NOTE TO READERS OF RMNews: The above paragraph elaborates on ONE of
the points being discussed in the recent series of articles by
Durham/Patriotlad. If you re-read that paragraph again, do you see the
similarities in both form and functionality? If you do, this should
become the "alarming" imagery that your "little voice" has been
telling you about. The sheer size and scope of the ongoing system of
fraudulent agreements (also including void judgments - more on those
later) is similar in many ways to describing the concept of infinite
space to a child. You can make the best of efforts with no assuredness
that you will impart the intended receiver with ANY clarity. Thus the
challenge continues..

ADDITIONAL NOTE: Before the word "Money" is used again, let us first
review the legal definition as found in

Black's Law 7th Edition:

Money. 1. The medium of exchange (emphasis by this author) authorized
or adopted by a government as part of its currency . UCC § 1-201(24)**
2. Assets that can be easily converted to cash . 3. Capital that is
invested or traded as a commodity .

Fiat money. Paper currency NOT backed by gold or silver.

Lawful money. Money that is legal tender for the payment of debts.

Real money. 1. Money that has metallic or other intrinsic value, as
distinguished from paper currency, checks, and drafts. 2. Current
cash, as opposed to money on account.

Money demand. A claim for a fixed, liquidated sum, as opposed to a
damage claim that must be assed by a jury.

**A link to the UCC § 1-201 (1-36) General Definitions, can be found
here: http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/ucc1-201.text.html

Now that the alleged creditor has received your signed promise to pay
(monetized YOUR negotiable debt instrument) they take the newly
created asset and post it to THEIR ledger books as their asset. With
this NEW asset on the books, they magically have the necessary credits
to send out to others on your behalf once the card has been placed
into service. This new asset they CLAIM to be THEIRS is what they are
allegedly LOANING back to you with high rates of interest attached. Do
you get that? The creditor has taken YOUR asset, claimed it to be
theirs, and loaned it back to you at interest.

"They did not have a big pile of cash in the closet waiting to be
borrowed via credit card. In fact, they essentially started their
business with some signatures." GM 12.25.02

Most people are under the assumption that there is some real money
(not for the last 89 years) going back and forth between individuals,
businesses, and other hubs of commerce. The reality is that NOTHING
could be further from the truth; there is SOME money in the system in
the form of INCOMING money drafted from real accounts, and that
representing public funds. (FRNs in circulation) One of the reasons
that lenders are always looking to increase their customer base is to
solidify and expand the ponzi-scheme of incoming payments to satisfy
the obligations the customers. To the old-timers out there, this is
also referred to as check kiting; the process of bouncing payments
from one account to the other before the funds actually clear and
transfer.

Let us begin with a $10,000.00 credit card example being used in
commerce. When the card/account holder decides to spend, or make a
purchase one would believe there is 10,000 in CASH laying somewhere
that is being used for the transaction. This is close, but the reality
is that there are only digital credits bouncing from one account to
the other. If the account holder has a 10,000 limit, and is only using
3,000 - that leaves the alleged creditor with an additional 7,000 on
their books that they can loan-out to someone else until you draw upon
it, or to use it for additional collateral/leverage. This might sound
somewhat rational, but it is nothing by itself. When you expand the
example out to a BILLION or more individuals, that is when the bigger
picture comes into focus. This is one of the many reasons why the
system can and does still function for the time being. Are you
starting to see how insidious this is?

Here is where things get even more interesting. Let us imagine that
the card has been well used without sending more than 'monthly
minimums' in for payment(s), and that only 500 credits remain
available before denial of service/over-limit defaults kick in. This
means that you have spent the vast majority of your available credits
on goods or services as you saw fit to do; hopefully you bought gold,
took cash advances, or purchased other DURABLE goods that will have a
long service life. To do so would be using the value inherent in the
credits wisely. The only bad part is that you allegedly have to re-pay
the credits that you created, and add the additional interest expense
(the life-blood of the parasitically challenged.)

Let's take a quick moment to review. The application was filled out
and became a sworn and signed document. The document then became a
negotiable debt instrument. That instrument was monetized and claimed
by the alleged lending institution as an asset of THEIRS. An account
of 10,000 credits was established for the holder of the account to use
with the alleged debtor's asset. And lastly, 9,500 credits were used
in the acquisition of goods and/or services leaving roughly 500
credits remaining. Sound right so far?

Well that was the fun part on behalf of the consumer, using the
credits to acquire things of value. Every time that the card/account
was used for those goods and/or services, someone on the receiving end
was credited for their participation in the transaction/commerce; THEY
WERE PAID IN FULL, or more accurately, they received the apparent
value they were consenting to receive. The alleged creditor also gets
an additional payment from the MERCHANT (provider of the goods and
services) as a fee for providing an apparent ease of transaction, as
well as for possibly facilitating a transaction that would NOT have
been possible without the additional credits being available. So above
making money on another party's asset, and charging that party the
interest for the privilege of accessing the party's asset (along with
other fees and service-charges), the ALLEGED creditor also soaks the
merchant on the other end for additional revenue as well. But wait,
there is a lot more where that came from.

To make this example as realistic as possible, let us imagine that the
card/account holder has lost their job or has fallen on hard times and
is unable to service (make payments to) the account as agreed in the
contract that started this whole mess. In today's environment this is
a very common occurrence, and it is going to become a lot worse and
last for a lot longer than anyone is going to believe possible.

The FIRST missed payment:

The alleged creditor has certain "administrative remedy solutions"
available to them (rules to follow) in order to increase their odds of
collecting upon the original agreement. There are a variety of tings
they can do, as well as many things that they can NOT do without being
in violation of their charter, breaking a law or going against public
policy. In most cases the alleged creditor will send the 'reminder'
notice stating that they have not yet received payment and in the
event the payment crossed the notice in the course of mail delivery,
disregard notice. These are usually very nice and polite reminders for
those of us who can be distracted by a busy life, or who have
legitimately forgotten to make the payment in a timely manner. But
using our example, by the next billing period/cycle the 9,500 balance
is now approximately 9,700 as the missed payment was added to the
balance as well as any applicable late/penalty fees.

The SECOND missed payment:

Within seven to ten days after missing the 'second'
installment/payment, the alleged creditor will reference their
administrative procedure flow-chart" and begin ratcheting up the
pressure. This is the stage where telephone calls begin - seeking to
"talk to you about your problem" and try to "work-out a solution." The
reason those preceding items were in quotes is to stress the
mannerisms associated with the beginning of a psychological operation:
establish contact, start small, establish authority, induce fear and
intimidation, and BEND the will of the subject. Keep your eyes open to
the way this unfolds now that the stakes have gone up quite a bit and
that time becomes a factor in squeezing the alleged creditor.

NOTE: Often, when an alleged creditor is calling they are 'recording
the conversation' or have a 'third-party transcribe' to make notes of
the details of the conversation. This allows them to use the
information against you, should they EVER decide to bring this matter
into the judicial system down the road in order to inflict the most
amount of damage minimal of expense and effort.

By the time this section is complete, you will be armed with the
necessary information to become a debt collector's worst possible
NIGHTMARE should the need ever arise.

This is also the place/point where your credit report will begin to be
adversely affected. Regardless of what your credit report looks like
now or in the future, a skilled attorney who specializes in credit law
(and carries a bit of 'attitude') can completely clear your credit
report. The minor items can be cleared up almost immediately, whereas
the bankruptcy and foreclosure items can take 3-12 months to be
permanently removed.

The people who are calling you have been well trained in the art of
gentle persuasion; they will charm you at first in an effort to
convince you of the urgent need to make some kind of immediate
payment. They will begin the psychological 'tearing-down' process by
telling you about years of damage to your credit report, problems
getting credit in the future should the need arise, and other assorted
drivel. Their goal in this stage is to tear-down your personal
self-confidence, and to make you FEEL isolated against an impossibly
more prepared foe. When a person believes that an opponent is superior
they have already lost; even if they do not realize it yet.

Pay no attention to the little man behind the curtain, he is a sissy.
(Although VERY CAPABLE of breath-taking bouts of temper-tantrums and
idiocy.)

If they are able to get you on the phone, and record or third-party
transcribe your "consent to conduct business" (this technically occurs
once you have answered even ONE of their questions) telephonically,
you have not only cemented and confirmed your adhesion to the
contract, but you have provided them with an additional effort-free
way of PROVING that you OWE them something. If they have NO PROOF that
you have entered into an agreement with them, then HOW could they
claim damages without being thrown out of court and counter-sued.
(They go down real hard by the way.)

NOTE: The overall impact that this has can be overwhelming: YOU have
NO Contract with them until YOU decide to enter into one.

It is this author's opinion that talking to ANYONE on a telephone,
concerning the private and personal business affairs of YOUR life is
not only flirting with danger, but absolutely NO GOOD can come from
such effort. You have no proof of what was, and what was NOT said.
Besides, the fact that these people are strangers and you really have
no idea of whom else might be on the phone as well, should provide
enough incentive to make you protect your privacy. Remember, you do
NOT have to do anything regardless of what you MIGHT be told to the
contrary. This is necessary to point-out because the alleged creditor
knows that once you stop believing that you owe them something, they
are finished.

NOTE: If one wanted to speak without liability, there is a need to
give a prompt but yet concise statement - cookie-cutter style for easy
repetition. An example of something that this author has used
personally is directly below.

"I am sorry, but I do NOT conduct business over the telephone.

If you have a matter that needs my attention, please put it in writing
and send it to me. Thank you"

Then HANG-UP the phone!

If one were looking to 'buy a little time' in order to get caught-up,
one might have an answering machine screen their calls; or better yet,
use an ad-blocker/call-blocker service or even caller ID to screen you
from entering into a conversation of ANY kind. Because you are not
answering the phone in person, the caller will be forced to leave a
message thus negating their chance for contact. It might be wise to
transfer/record/document those calls and their dates/times should you
ever need ammunition in a collection-related harassment suit against
the original creditor.

When the original alleged creditor can not reach you their flow-chart
runs into a snag; they NEED to get your attention/contact in order to
prove there is an agreement. Without that contact, they become
desperate and will make every attempt to obtain it. This can add an
additional one to nine months before the account is turned over for
collection to a third-party debt-collector (more on this later
shortly.)

To those with an ax to grind, or who want to impart the caller with a
taste of creativity, you can have all sorts of fun with answering
machines. One of my personal favorites is to begin the message with:

"Hello.This is Steve." (wait about 3 - 5 seconds, and then say)

"Hello.Can you hear me? (1 - 3 seconds)

"GREAT, but I can hardly hear you, could you please speak louder?"
(less than 5 seconds)

"I am sorry; I can hear you but not well. If you could speak louder I
will be able to hear you."

(Wait about 5 - 10 seconds) (By now they are yelling and are
completely unprepared for the punch-line)

"Haaa..Just kidding. This is my machine, please leave a message."

Well let me tell you, this drives people absolutely crazy.

Did you notice that I said; "please leave a message" and NOT something
like; "leave a message and I will call you back" or similar promises.
There is no residual communication or agreement with the message as it
was given. If the statement to return the call it is made with express
consent (the implication) an agreement has been made; this is not
desirable in this author's opinion. Caution and thought are essential.

The THIRD missed payment and beyond:

If we stay within the example, by month three the balance of the
account is now around 10,000 with no remaining credit available (if
the restrictions of use were to be lifted.) If the matter is stretched
out further, the balance can quickly run-up to 13-14,000 with
accelerated interest rates (some reaching 30 - 40 %)) coming into
effect. This is NO ACCIDENT as the alleged creditor is desperate to
make one last grab for your cash before writing you off.

This is a completely new kind of scam that makes Enron pale in
comparison due to the HUNDREDS of MILLIONS affected by it. What is
happening behind the curtain is the original alleged creditor is
upping the amount you owe them just prior to writing-off the account.
Right before the account is revoked, the CREDIT LINE is increased to
the TOTAL amount now allegedly due. Just think, you were given a
credit advance without even knowing it, and YOU did not get to spend
one dollar of it; but you are going to get a bill for it anyway. What
makes this so important to remember is the fact that only 9,500.00 in
credits were allegedly used/given to the holder of said account. If
the amount owed at the end prior to write-off/revocation is say 13,500
+/- there has been 4,000 in additional charges that they NEVER had to
pay out by/to the alleged creditor, even with their "creative
accounting" methods. Wait..it gets worse.

If they do decide at this point (about 6 months for the example) to
throw in the towel and write-off/charge-off the alleged account, they
are admitting to running out of administrative solutions. They then
write-off the account, take a very favorable tax credit, (based not
only on the alleged transfers for the goods and services, but also the
interest and fees accrued in the process) and are able to release the
appearance of losses on FUTURE quarterly reports by the books no
longer showing an outstanding liability. On top of those incentives,
they then sell the collection rights (Rights of Collection) to a
third-party debt collector for PENNIES on the dollar. The real numbers
would be about 10-20 cents on average.

In our example, the ending balance due was 13,500.00. The alleged
creditor then took a dollar-for-dollar tax credit (13,500) and boosted
the next quarter's results a bit (this could be priceless in a bear
market) and then sold the "rights?" to another company. If the sale
was at the high end, the 20% area, the collector paid/exchanged 2,700
to the alleged creditor. (even the debt collector falls victim to the
alleged creditor by having to pay for the rights of an exchange that
never was) When this is added to the 13,500 balance, the total take on
the 'haul' was 16,200. This would represent a 6,700 credit for their
troubles in having you call their bluff.

Sounds like they did quite well for themselves considering they never
loaned me anything, or took ANY real risk because 'public funds' were
NEVER involved. In FACT, they have not been DAMAGED in ANY WAY because
they claimed/created 6,700 in additional ledger credits. And that
figure does not involve any of the interest payments during the
overall life of the account.

Does that sound like something is missing? Well it should.

Haven't you ever wondered "WHY" a lending institution which has large
office spaces (multiple offices/divisions,) a sea of accountants;
auditors; lawyers; and other professionals on staff, would turn the
alleged account over to a smaller (in many ways, miniscule in
comparison) entity? Are they not equipped to deal with such matters as
collecting on their own, legitimate, real obligations?

"How could that be?" you might ask. This is going to blow you away.

The original alleged creditor never loaned you anything, we discussed
this. If they had issued real public funds, the 'creditor' would have
a transaction receipt showing what account the dollar credits were
transferred from and Verify the debt. Once that transaction record and
verification was obtained, they could simply place a lien against
future income (judgment or other) and have a judge allow it (using a
writ). Another way of saying this without the jargon would be: if you
want me to prove I loaned you money look at this; here is my passbook
account record, here is the certified check (wire
transfer/draft/CD/personal-check) made out to you and cleared through
your bank. If the matter was already in the process of going to court,
an Affidavit of Facts would be prepared saying the debt is real and
swearing to the evidence with my "first-hand knowledge and
understanding." BOOM, instant PROOF that public funds (federal
reserveless notes) changed hands and that I need to pay in kind. (What
you just read was a description of what is called Verification) That
would make an open and shut case if there ever was one.

The original 'alleged' creditor is not going to EVER attempt to make
that claim in a court; people would be going to prison if they did.
Because the exchange of public funds NEVER occurred they are counting
on ignorance and gullibility to make you surrender to their whims. The
alleged creditor has already made out quite well having the customer
for a client regardless of the whining. When they get the account to a
third party debt collector they made out again. But NOTHING compares
to the scam that is coming up next; this is just sick.

TO BE CONTINUED IN "EXAMPLE: PART II"

I believe this would be a GREAT place to begin answering questions
before we proceed much further. All questions and answers will be
compiled in a single post (unless more are needed) that will go on the
board for all to see and participate in. (comments and feedback are
also welcome.)

"Please do not re-publish any portion of this communication without my
express, written consent. It is intended to be
intellectually-exploratory and for research purposes only. If it is
intercepted or monitored, intentionally or accidentally, by the
federal government's Carnovire system, or any other manual system,
e-mail system, or electronic surveillance system(s), I now make
written demand that I be notified, strictly within the time limit
allowed by all applicable state and/or federal law, regarding my
status and that of my intercepted communication(s)."

Dear Ronn
I appreciate your contribution. I wish there was a way though that you could provide a more concise summeries of the concepts and maybe a link to some of the more lengthy texts. It is for the sake of those who do not have high speed lines that I request that the comments be at their most bandwidth efficient. For example the lengthy disclaimer at the end and some of the stuff in other places. It's just a bandwitdh issue not a censorship issue. Try to pare the article lengths down please.
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Posted by Ronn @ 01/02/2003 12:26 PM EST

It's profiteering.

They are profiteers, not profiteerers.

That's like referring to a privateer as a privateerer. Or a pioneer as a pioneerer. You have a good message, but grammatical errors too often get in the way.

Pioneer is a bad word to make your point, for pion does not exist in meaning with relation to pioneer. However the word profit does exist and to make the word for a person who excels in profiting, a profiteer, I believe is unique and a little awkward - So is my choice of spelling. It just seemed that the "correct" spelling seemed so "incorrect." I mean look at the word and then pronounce it the way it is spelled, it doesn't make sense - so my spelling is better, still awkward, but at least makes sense. Websters needs to take a look at it and see if it needs an update. I too, repeadly saw the word profiteer when I spell checked my spelling, But I thought is was not good English, so I chose to specifically continue to spell it my way. While most of my spelling errors are unintentional, this one was not. "Profiteer" Simply does not work for me, there needs to be another "r" sound between the final vowel for the word to satisfy my take of the English language. I believe the word must be revised. And since I regularly invent new words, I'm just the type to do it. My favorite wordsmithing is to combine two words and retain the capitals. Such as FearBombs LieBombs etc. I have seen my new words appear in other's writings. That's how language is expanded or evolves. I prefer words to copulate like humans do and give birth to new more sensible ways of looking at thought. so I regularly mate the word "fear" with so many of the other constructs it is currently mutating and morphing with.

While I don't like making unnecessary mistakes (Usually because I cannot be bothered with the extra step and time necessary to cut paste and run through a spell checker) I really must confess that I cannot be bothered with too rigid of conventions. My innovation, intelligence, fearlessness and honesty more than make up for my occasional typos. Look at the forest, not the trees. Or come up with a better comparison than pioneer - I cannot find one. Thanks for the grammer lesson but this is a war forum and there are simply no spell checkers up here on the front lines. Someday maybe but not for a while.
And don't forget to play your part each and every day to keep the pressure on those who wish to enslave you.
Use your spelling skills to write and publish and attack your oppressor
voxfux

Posted by Anony @ 01/02/2003 12:31 PM EST

REINCARNATION IS THE TRUTH YOU PEOPLE ARE MISSING AND THE REASON YOU ARE IN TOTAL BONDAGE( IDOLATRY). THERE IS NOTHING TO FEAR OR TO LOSE. WHY ARE YOU LETTING THESE PHONIES DISTRACT YOU OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THEY ARE USING YOUR IMAGINARY FEARS AND YOUR FALSE SENSE OF SELF IMPORTANCE TO CONTROL YOU. IT IS TIME TO FIND SOLUTIONS TOGETHER, WE HAVE TO CREATE A REAL PARADISE FOR ALL.

Posted by BIGNOSE @ 01/02/2003 02:21 PM EST

VOX SAID: "VOX COMMENT ANNOTATION: Thank you for taking such a lofty position. Why of course I hope you are attacking this evil within each one of us, I do all the time. But we must look at this thing from a practical point of view. An evil society is comprised of evil men. At this moment it is simply a matter of practicality to address the most immediate threat, superceeding all others - that most immediate threat bieng the wreckless visionless policies of the goof in the Whitehouse. It's not the evil "within" us who drops bombs and kills the impoverished families and children in Iraq. Its the dummy in the White House that's doing that. It's not the evil within us LOOTING THE US TREASURY THROUGH RAMPANT WAR PROFITEERING SCAMS it's the war profiteering draft dodging war mongering coward in the White House. It's not the evil within each and every one of us who is horny to destroy the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge - it's the visionless jerk named George W. Bush who's itching to get a hold of some of that favorite stuff that him and his pals are so horny for - PROFITEERING.
So you see if Bushes immediate plans for the enslavement of all humans biengs within 2 years are successful then then all other struggles become null and void - We will be slaves. The sooner this retarded war profiteering filth is removed from office, the better. My philosophy promotes a healthy check on those "Internal Evils" that you mention. I, long, again to resume my life in pursuit of the fine arts and of music and literature and of creation, just as soon as I deal with the immediate and grave threat in our midst. We're like a schitsophrenic patient in an emergency room doubled over in pain, we have an immediate and potentially catastrophic problem, our leading personality is removing and selling our organs one by one. We have to stop this renegade personality and remove the immediate tumorous lump, then and only then can we address the sort of lifestyle problems which led to the tumor - The more esoteric and difficult to address "inner," threat. For the moment this George Bush idiot is the most immediate threat to the continued survival of the human species and the planet earth. And since he is such a proven dufus it should be a cinch exposing just how colossal a numbskull he truly is. Let's get to work. voxfux"

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It is good to see that you understand in what direction I am coming from. As to me personally attacking the "evil" within. I do not do that..."attacking" gives the wrong image. "Lay down" or "release" works better.

For what it's worth, I agree with the points you make here. There is a line in spiritualism where you can raise too "high" (even in your own mind), at which point practicality becomes a none issue. Neither does saving the world, as you potentially become safe in your own "enlightened" world. I believe to some extent that is the danger that these "illuminated" ones present. They do not think, believe or understand in the way the average person does. It is also why I agree with you that Bush needs to be removed. But how he is removed is the issue.

I don't believe it is him calling all the shots here. Blair follows him to closely for that...clearly they are working toward the same agenda. Which indicates that there are others involved at different levels (all old news). But this means that *forceably* removing Bush will do no good as there would be a replacement who continues along the same path.

On the other had, making people aware, as you are doing is the correct way of doing this. But it may take too long...especially if there are only two years. So where does that leave us?

History has shown that every time an oppressive ruling class has been overthrown by the people. The people have then taken the seats of power, only to eventually become new oppressors. That is human nature...that is what we do. Power corrupts.

So sure, we remove Bush by one method or another. Then what? And this is a VERY important question at this point because it determines by what method Bush should be removed.

Do we just remove him? What about the whole Government? What about the International Bankers? Dictators around the world? What about the great families, and the royal families? The unfortunate thing as you well know, is that this doesn't lay purely with Bush. It is far more wide spread than that.

So...what we do is make people aware. As you are doing, doing better than I have seen anyone else do! Once they are aware though...then comes the dangerous part. What would you have? Revolution? Overthrown governments? This is as equally important if not more important than getting people aware. The road is long, and doesn't end with awakening.

The single biggest thing these power brokers have, as you have learnt, is fear. So the solution would be to take that weapon away. People need to be taught that Bush cannot hurt us. That the people run the country, not some old cronies. The people have the power. Take away the fear, and it is over.

But how to go about that? That is no easy task...it has never been done. Every time a great civilisation has fallen, another has taken it's place...just as morally corrupt. It is our time to fall now. It is in how we fall and how we get back up again that counts.

We are not going to stop the calamity that is coming. In fact I would argue that it is needed...it maybe the only way to completely rid ourselves of our corrupt leaders. It is what we learn in this time that matters. In learning who we are, and what is in our hearts that we may build a better future.

But then that comes down to the definition of “better” doesn’t it. What I see as better, you may well not. For me a better future is one without people seeking power. A world ruled without borders or governments or fear. But when they come knocking at my door, these lofty ideals will be useless. They may save “self” but they do nothing to save you, or the guy next to you. They do nothing for the world. And this is the line that we mustn’t cross.

How do we fight VOX? How do we create a world where these pigs will not get up to their same tricks again. Or am I looking at this in the wrong way? Perhaps I look at the war rather than the battles. Dispose of Bush, and that is one battle won, but there will be another, and another, and another. I am not content that my kids should pick up arms, and their kids and their kids. But this is the world *we* would make, that is were fighting will take us. But if we don’t fight we are stuffed.

For me…right now…right here. I inform people of what is going on…I teach in matters of the mind and the heart, so that others may better understand the intents of those around us. It is thus by no accident that I came to realise this “conspiracy” through spiritualism. I know this can be fought in that way. Do we seek to save everyone? Or just a few? Too many questions…I think too much.

Perhaps I should just fight and let the future take care of itself.

Maybe that is what they hope we will do…

Or most powerful weapons right now; are information, resistance and non-conformity. They have no power over those that do not conform, those that don’t follow their “rules”. It is now rapidly drawing to the point where those weapons will not be strong enough. So what then…do we fight to win the war…or do we fight to win the battle? What do we call the “status-quo”. We want things back to “normal”? I say they have never been normal for a *least* 150years. Where would *you* take us VOX?

Posted by Duke @ 01/02/2003 03:27 PM EST

While I agree with many of the comments and concerns raised in this article, and indeed, most of Voxfux's site, I must raise a crucial question:

If a populace is fat, well-fed, warm, and entertained, what motivation is there for them to overthrow their leaders, particularly if there is no direct connection between their day-to-day lives and the sedition committed by the ruling junta?

Cheers,

Posted by Canuck Frostback @ 01/02/2003 03:31 PM EST

Great question there Canuck. My answer would be that the only motivation is a personal feeling of guilt by association, which is not likely to get one off the couch.

Therefore, thank you to all those skinny, hungry, cold, and activists who are not entertained in the least.

Posted by Question @ 01/02/2003 04:02 PM EST

we need to learn by example learn from those in Venezuela STRIKE! WORK SLOW DOWNS,BLUE FLU,strike them where it hurts,their pocket books it worked before and will again,start this spring to plant your own gardens,plant fruit trees.live at bare necessities....Ill say this again vox,time to break their profits.I plant nothing I can't eat!I give away 50 percent of what I grow to old people that have little to nothing,or people with children that live around me!The future leaders...a fruit tree costs about$30ea I produce that in return the 3year,now I pick hundreds of pounds of fruit a year from 10 trees,my yard is a gaint garden cost me aprox.$100 to plant vegggies each year! go to the store and look at the prices...now I only buy what I can't grow,quaity can't be matched,you pay land taxes,use the land to save money,best return on the dollar I've found yet!and in this fight you still need to eat! Can't eat the grass or at least I'am not!I support private small bussiness people NOT corporations,screw them!every inch counts!

Posted by an american forever @ 01/02/2003 04:19 PM EST

"Today the path to total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people....outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government, a bureaucratic elite which believes our Constitution is outmoded and is sure that it is the winning side.... All the strange developments in the foreign policy agreements may be traced to this group who are going to make us over to suit their pleasure.... This political action group has its own local political support organizations, its own pressure groups, its own vested interests, its foothold within our government, and its own propaganda apparatus."

Posted by askmorequestions @ 01/02/2003 05:50 PM EST

If evil powers wanted to impose a dictatorship on the United States, would they candidly announce their goal?
They would do exactly as they are doing now: They would invent a foreign menace like Muslim terrorism, and stage a dramatic attack like 9-11. This is why Bush has blocked an independent investigation of the WTC attack.

They would rely on the "sheeple" to vote for their own enslavement, i.e. the "Patriot Act," increased military expenditures, and the Department of "Homeland Security."

The German people voted Hitler into power. Hitler arranged the burning of the Reichstag as an excuse to suspend civil rights. Hitler made his attack on Poland look like a defensive action. International bankers like Prescott Bush, George W's grandfather, funded Hitler. George W. belongs to an Illuminati family whose loyalty is to world government dictatorship, not to the US. See "The Unauthorized Biography of George Bush".

Muslim militants do not represent a military threat to the United States, or even to Israel. It is the other way around. The U.S. and Israel are pawns of international bankers, intent on removing the last obstacles to their Lucifer-worshipping "New World Order."

They are taking Sadaam behind the woodshed as a lesson to any country that would resist their global dictatorship. Sadaam deserves credit for defying this nefarious cabal.

Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia want to appease George W. but they are NEXT on the hit list. Chamberlain gave Czechoslovakia to Hitler in Munich but that did not diminish Hitler's appetite.

Europe, Japan and China go along in the UN but they will be dependent on the Rockefeller-Rothschilds for oil. They will be forced to sacrifice national sovereignty.

Let's gaze into our crystal ball.

The United States subjugates Iraq. Depending on how costly it is, the US will quickly turn its attention to the remaining "independent" Arab states.

Anti-American feeling will enflame the billion-strong Muslim world. Pro-US governments will wobble. US or Israeli troops may have to prop them up. Where before, "terrorist" actions were mostly organized by the CIA-Mossad-MI5, now there are genuine Muslim reprisals.

There are American casualties both at home and abroad. Some of these acts originate or are assisted by the CIA etc. who wish to foment chaos. Viruses or even nuclear attacks blamed on Muslim radicals kill hundreds of thousands. The American population becomes restive, angry and polarized. Most are willing to sacrifice freedom in return for security.

The "anti-war" movement mushrooms and there are large demonstrations and acts of civil disobedience. The "Patriot Act" or a similar measure is used to clamp down on dissent and ban firearms in the name of national security. Detention camps are filled. Americans awake to discover the United States is a dictatorship.

Thus, what is supposed to be a war against "terror" reveals its true face: a totalitarian takeover.

Posted by askmorequestions @ 01/02/2003 06:05 PM EST

President Bush's Speech to the German Parliament May 23, 2002 New York Times

Following is the text of President Bush's speech on Thursday to the German Parliament, as provided by the Federal News Service

PRESIDENT BUSH: Mr. President, thank you very much for your kind introduction and thank you for giving me this chance to be here today. President Rau, thank you very much; Chancellor Schroeder. I understand former Chancellor Kohl is here. I want to thank the members of the Bundestag. Q (Off mike.)

PRESIDENT BUSH: How are you, sir? I was a little nervous when the president told me that you all are on vacation. (Laughter.) I can just imagine how my Congress would react if I called them back to hear a speech of mine when they were on vacation. (Chuckles.) (Laughter.) But thank you for coming. I am so honored to be here, and my wife, Laura, and I really appreciate the hospitality that you've shown us. (Applause.) I've had the pleasure of welcoming your chancellor to Washington three times, and we have established a strong relationship. Mr. Chancellor, I'm grateful.

And now I'm honored to visit this great city. The history of our time is written in the life of Berlin. In this building, fires of hatred were set that swept across the world. To this city, Allied planes brought food and hope during 323 days and nights of siege. Across an infamous divide men and women jumped from tenement buildings and crossed through razor wire to live in freedom or to die in the attempt.

One American president came here to proudly call himself a citizen of Berlin. Another president dared the Soviets to tear down that wall. (Applause.) And on a night in November, Berliners took history into their hands and made your city whole. In a single lifetime, the people of this capital and this country endured 12 years of dictatorial rule, suffered 40 years of bitter separation and persevered through the challenging decade of unification. For all these trials, Germany has emerged a responsible and prosperous and peaceful nation. More than a decade ago, as the president pointed out, my dad spoke of Germany and America as partners in leadership, and this has come to pass. A new era has arrived. The strong Germany you have built is good for the world. On both sides of the Atlantic, the generation of our fathers was called to shape great events and they built the great transatlantic alliance of democracies. They built the most successful alliance in history. After the Cold War, during the relative quiet of the 1990's, some questioned whether our transatlantic partnership still had a purpose. History has given its answer.

Our generation faces new and grave threats to liberty, to the safety of our people, and to civilization itself. We face an aggressive force that glorifies death, that targets the innocent, and seeks the means to matter -- murder on a massive scale. We face the global tragedy of disease and poverty that take uncounted lives and leave whole nations vulnerable to oppression and terror. We will face these challenges together; we must face them together. Those who despise human freedom will attack it on every continent. Those who seek missiles and terrible weapons are also familiar with the map of Europe. Like the threats of another era, this threat cannot be appeased or cannot be ignored. By being patient, relentless and resolute, we will defeat the enemies of freedom. (Applause.)

By remaining united -- (interrupted by disturbance in audience) -- by remaining united, we are meeting -- we are meeting modern threats with the greatest resources of wealth and will ever assembled by free nations. Together, Europe and the United States have the creative genius, the economic power, the moral heritage, and the democratic vision to protect our liberty and to advance our cause of peace. Different as we are, we are building and defending the same house of freedom. Its door is open to all Europe's people, its windows looking out to global challenges beyond. We must lay the foundation with a Europe that is whole and free and at peace for the first time in its history. (Applause.)

This dream of the centuries is close at hand. From the Argonne forest to the Anzio beachhead, conflicts in Europe have drawn the blood of millions, squandering and shattering lives across the earth. There are thousands, thousands of monuments in parks and squares across my country -- the young men of 18 and 19 and 20 whose lives ended at battle on this continent.

Ours is the first generation in 100 years that does not expect and does not fear the next European war. And that achievement -- your achievement -- is one of the greatest in modern times. (Applause.) When Europe grows in unity, Europe and America grow in security. When you integrate your markets and share a currency in the European Union, you are creating the conditions for security and common purpose. In all these steps, Americans do not see the rise of a rival; we see the end of old hostilities. We see the success of our allies, and we applaud your progress.

The expansion of NATO will also extend the security on this continent --especially for nations that knew little peace or security in the last century. We've moved cautiously in this direction. Now we must act decisively. As our summit in Prague approaches, America's committed to NATO membership for all of Europe's democracies that are ready to share in the responsibilities that NATO brings. (Applause.) Every part of Europe should share in the security and success of this continent. A broader alliance will strengthen NATO. It will fulfill NATO's promise.

Another mission we share is to encourage the Russian people to find their future in Europe and with America. (Applause.)

Russia has its best chance since 1917 to become a part of Europe's family. Russia's transformation is not finished. The outcome is not yet determined. But for all the problems and challenges, Russia is moving toward freedom, more freedom in its politics and its markets, freedom that will help Russia to act as a great and just power. A Russia at peace with its neighbors, respecting the legitimate rights of minorities, is welcome in Europe. (Applause.)

A new Russia-American partnership is being forged. Russia is lending crucial support in the war on global terror. A Russian colonel now works on the staff of U.S. Army General Tommy Franks, commander of the war in Afghanistan. And in Afghanistan itself, Russia is helping to build hospitals and a better future for the Afghan people.

America and Europe must throw off old suspicions and realize our common interests with Russia. Tomorrow in Moscow, President Putin and I will again act upon these interests. The United States and Russia are ridding ourselves of the last vestiges of Cold War confrontation. (Applause.) We have moved beyond an ABM Treaty that prevented us from defending our people and our friends. Some warned that moving beyond the ABM Treaty would cause an arms race. Instead, President Putin and I are about to sign the most dramatic nuclear arms reduction in history. Both the United States and Russia will reduce our nuclear arsenals by about two-thirds, to the lowest level in decades. (Applause.) Old arms agreements sought to manage hostility and to maintain a balance of terror. This new agreement recognizes that Russia and the West are no longer enemies. (Applause.)

The entire transatlantic alliance is forming a new relationship with Russia. Next week in Rome, Chancellor Schroeder, NATO allies and I will meet as equal partners with President Putin at the creation of the NATO-Russia Council. The council gives us an opportunity to build common security against common threats. We will start with projects on nonproliferation, counter terrorism and search-and-rescue operations. Over time, we will expand this cooperation even as we preserve the core mission of NATO.

Many generations have looked at Russia with alarm. Our generation can finally lift this shadow from Europe by embracing the friendship of a new democratic Russia. (Applause.)

As we expand our alliance, as we reach out to Russia, we must look beyond Europe to gathering dangers and important responsibilities. As we build a house of freedom, we must meet the challenges of a larger world and we must meet them together.

For the United States, September the 11th, 2001 cut a deep dividing line in our history, a change of eras as sharp and clear as Pearl Harbor or the first day of the Berlin blockade. There can be no lasting security in a world at the mercy of terrorists for my nation or for any nation. (Applause.) Given this threat, NATO's defining purpose -- our collective defense -- is as urgent as ever. America and Europe need each other to fight and win the war against global terror.

My nation is so grateful for the sympathy of the German people and for the strong support of Germany and all of Europe. Troops from more than a dozen European countries have deployed in and around Afghanistan, including thousands from this country -- the first deployment of German forces outside of Europe since 1945. German soldiers have died in this war, and we mourn their loss as we do our own. German authorities are on the trail of terrorist cells and finances. And German police are helping Afghans build their own police force. And we're so grateful for this support.

Together, we oppose an enemy that thrives on violence and the grief of the innocent. The terrorists are defined by their hatreds; they hate democracy, and tolerance, and free expression, and women, and Jews, and Christians, and all Muslims who disagree with them. Others killed in the name of racial purity or the class struggle; these enemies kill in the name of a false religious purity, perverting the faith they claim to hold. (Applause.)

In this war, we defend not just America or Europe; we are defending civilization itself. (Applause.)

The evil that has formed against has been termed the new totalitarian threat. The authors of terror are seeking nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. Regimes that sponsor terror are developing these weapons and the missiles to deliver them. If these regimes and their terrorist allies were to perfect these capabilities, no inner voice of reason, no hint of conscience would prevent their use. Wishful thinking might bring comfort, but not security. Call this a strategic challenge. Call it, as I do, axis of evil. Call it by any name you choose, but let us speak the truth. (Applause.) If we ignore this threat, we invite certain blackmail and place millions of our citizens in grave danger.

Our response will be reasoned and focused and deliberate. We will use more than our military might. We will cut off terrorist finances, apply diplomatic pressure and continue to share our intelligence. America will consult closely with our friends and allies at every stage. But make no mistake about it; we will and we must confront this conspiracy against our liberty and against our lives.(Applause.)

As it faces new threats, NATO needs a new strategy and new capabilities. Dangers originating far from Europe can now strike at Europe's heart, so NATO must be able and willing to act whenever threats emerge. This will require all the assets of modern defense -- mobile and deployable forces, sophisticated special operations, the ability to fight under the threat of chemical and biological weapons. Each nation must focus on the military strength it can bring to this alliance, with the hard choices and financial commitment that requires.

We do not know where the next threat might come from. We really don't know what form it might take.

But we must be ready. As full military partners, we confront these urgent threats to our common security.

One way to make ourselves more secure is to address the regional conflicts that inflame violence. Our work in the Balkans and Afghanistan show how much we can achieve when we stand together. We must continue to stand for peace in the Middle East. That peace must assure the permanent safety of the Jewish people. (Applause.) And that peace must provide the Palestinian people with a state of their own. (Applause.)

In the midst of terrorist violence in the Middle East, the hope of a lasting accord may seem distant. That's how many once viewed the prospect of peace between Poland and Germany; Germany and France; France and England; Protest and Catholic. Yet after generations who trade in violence and humiliation, we have seen enemies become partners and allies in a new Europe.

We pray the same healing, the same shredding of hatred might come to the Middle East. And we will be unrelenting in our quest for that peace. (Applause.) We must recognize that violence and resentment are defeated by the advance of health and learning and prosperity. Poverty doesn't create terror. Yet terror takes root in failing nations that do not police themselves or provide for their people. Our conscience and our interests speak as one; to achieve as afer world, we must create a better world. (Applause.)

The expansion of trade in our time is one of the primary reasons for our progress against poverty. At Doha, we committed to build on this progress, and we must keep that commitment. (Applause.) Transatlantic nations must resolve the small disputed portion of our vast trading relationship within the rules and settlement mechanisms of the World Trade Organization, whether those disputes concern tax law, steel, agriculture or biotechnology.

For all nations -- for all nations to gain the benefit of global markets, they need populations that are healthy and literate. To help developing nations achieve these goal, leaders of wealthy nations have a duty of conscience. (Applause.) We have a duty to share our wealth generously and wisely. Those who lead poor nations have a duty to their own people. They have a duty, as well -- to pursue reforms that turn temporary aid into lasting progress.

I propose that new American aid be directed to nations on the path of reform. The United States will increase our core development assistance by 50 percent over the next three budget years. (Applause.) It will be up to a level of $5 billion a year above and beyond that which we already contribute to development. When nations are governed justly, the people benefit. When nations are governed unjustly for the benefit of a corrupt few, no amount of aid will help the people in need. When nations are governed justly -- (applause) -- when nations are governed justly, investing in education and health and encouraging economic freedom, they will have our help. And more importantly, these rising nations will have their own ability and eventually the resources necessary to battle disease and improve their environment and build lives of dignity for their people.

Members of the Bundestag, we are joined in serious purpose, very serious purposes, on which the safety of our people and the fate of our freedom now rest. We build a world of justice, or we will live in a world of coercion.

The magnitude of our shared responsibilities makes our disagreements look so small. And those who exaggerate our differences play a shallow game and hold a simplistic view of our relationship. (Applause.) America and the nations in Europe are more than military allies; we're more than trading partners; we are heirs to the same civilization. The pledges of the Magna Carta, the learning of Athens, the creativity of Paris, the unbending conscience of Luther, the gentle faith of Saint Francis, all of these are part of the American soul.

The new world has succeeded by holding to the values of the old. Our histories have diverged, yet we seek to live by the same ideals. We believe in free markets tempered by compassion. We believe in open societies that reflect unchanging truths. We believe in the value and dignity of every life. (Applause.)

These convictions bind our civilization together and set our enemies against us. These convictions are universally true and right, and they define our nations and our partnership in a unique way. And these beliefs lead us to fight tyranny and evil, as others have done before us. One of the greatest Germans of the 20th century was Pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer -- (applause) -- who left the security of America to stand against Nazi rule. In a dark hour, he gave witness to the Gospel of Life, and paid the cost of his discipleship, being put to death only days before his camp was liberated. ``I believe,'' said Bonhoeffer, ``that God can and wants to create good out of everything, even evil.'' That belief has proven in the history of Europe since that day in the reconciliation and renewal that have transformed this continent.

In America, very recently, we have also seen the horror of evil and the power of good. In the test of our time, we are affirming our deepest values and our closest friendships. Inside this chamber, across this city, throughout this nation and continent, America has valued friends. (Applause.) And with our friends, we are building that house of freedom for our time and for all time. May God bless. (Applause.)

Posted by askmorequestions @ 01/02/2003 06:37 PM EST

Bush/Global Elite Behind Massive, Unprecedented 'Terrorist' Attacks, Analysis Reveals

-- Bush's 'Burning of the Reichstag'

-- Pentagon assault a move to demonstrate BushMob supremacy within the FedGov

Experts worldwide in numerous relevant fields have voiced similar disturbing questions regarding the horrifying attacks carried out against the United States today: questions which can logically and reasonably lead to only one inescapable conclusion. Indeed, speaker after speaker on many news programs broadcast in the aftermath of this morning's extraordinary assaults reiterated that to some degree or other, this morning's events HAD TO BE AN "INSIDE JOB."

This is certainly true -- to an extent which will boggle even the most stoic and unflappable of minds.

It was an inside job, alright -- inside, all the way to the very highest levels of the national government. Such as G.W. Bush.

Who just happened to be out of Washington D.C. today when the "terrorists" crashed one of their hijacked planes into the Pentagon.

By virtue of the extraordinary levels of organization, planning and coordination which clearly underlie this morning's horrendous assault upon the World Trade Center buildings in New York (more about the Pentagon assault momentarily); by virtue of the fact that SUPPOSEDLY "terrorist" teams WITH WEAPONS were able to board at LEAST five long-range jet flights this morning, undetected by ANY an ALL security personnel at the airports involved, and that members of each team were FULLY capable pilots with the know-how to aim large jets at specific targets; in light of the fact that APPARENTLY the intelligence agencies of the United States failed UTTERLY to get wind of this massive, obviously thoroughly planned, timed and precisely-executed military attack upon the nation; in light of the unarguable fact that "President" Bush's job approval ratings have been absolutely subterranean and are getting steadily worse, and that the global elite/New World Order so thoroughly embodied in G.W. Bush have been scheming for years on ways to burst America's bubble and put the people of this country more firmly under the heels of the globaloid "New World Order"; in light of ALL the above, there is literally and obviously no real doubt whatsoever that the incalculably vicious destruction unleashed today in this country was, in the ULTIMATE analysis, set in motion by the Bush InternationalCrime Family and the forces of global totalitarianism they are so closely allied with.

So many of the BushMob's high-priority agendas are furthered by this morning's events that it's just not possible they were not the original and primary motivators of the monstrous devastation wrought in New York City.

Very likely, working in close concert with their legions of cohorts and allies throughout the Middle East who in turn manipulate and instigate rabid anti-American sentiments among various Moslem populations, producing crazed zealots all to eager to die for their "cause", BushMob higher-ups exploited such elements, utilized their hate and anger and fomented the attacks carried out today, in furtherance of the hellish agendas of the global elite/new World Order. Such elements -- the "usual suspects" -- will no doubt be routinely accused, and massive "reprisals" of some kind will no doubt be implemented by the BushMobsters against unfortunate Moslem populations, thereby serving to increase the hatred of these people for the United States. Which is just what the global elite want.

Remember: when the federal building in Oklahoma City was bombed, the first fingers were pointed at "Moslem" terrorists. Yet Tim McVie, who surely had SOMETHING to do with that incident even if as nothing more than a patsy, was an ex-U.S. military man KNOWN to have been a subject in government mind control activities.

Very likely, considering the vast scope of the destruction unleashed today, the TRUE perpetrators will go much further this time in covering their tracks, and will have used Moslem extremists to actually carry out the suicide assaults.

Due to vast number of casualties involved in the destruction of the World Trade Center towers, the psychological impact upon the American people is likely to be very severe. It's a tried and true Machiavellian tactic: create the problem -- in this case, severe deadly attacks upon the nerve centers of the nation SUPPOSEDLY emanating from an "EXTERNAL" source, and then offer the "solution" -- possible nuclear war against supposed "foreign" perpetrators, and a massive increase in "martial law" type scenarios at home. Create a MAJOR "external" threat, and then sit back and watch the 'tribe" rally round the "leader."

Big, big win for the BushMob and global elite of the New World Order.

And what's more, the single most important location in terms of world commerce and finance was today utterly destroyed.

Look for a HUGE impact not only upon international finance and international affairs and relations but also upon the domestic economy and upon our society in general.

Start thinking about five-dollar-a-gallon gas.

And as for the hit on the Pentagon? Many of our sources have stated over the years that there exist tremendous schisms within the federal government. Anti-democratic (remember our last presidential "election?") BushMob/NWO elements are engaged in a serious struggle for dominance with other factions -- some of which actually are seeking to preserve and further democracy and human freedom. Some of these elements count among their ranks highly-placed members of the U.S. military.

The hit on the Pentagon could very well have been an additional move by the BushMob to cement and consolidate power within the highest levels of the U.S. military. You're either with us, or you're dead.

Indeed, as so many commentators and analysts have already noted, there is literally no way that what took place today in New York and Washington D.C. was NOT an inside job.

This is directly analogous to the burning of the Reichstag in Germany by Hitler: an event perpetrated by the Nazis yet blamed upon "Communists", "Jews" and so on, and used to terrorize the German people into acceding to the Nazi takeover of their nation. The BushMob, whose ties to the Nazis are vast, extensive and firmly rooted in time, is undoubtedly playing the same kind of card with today's "terrorist" attacks upon New York City and Washington

IT WAS THE BUSH MOB.

Posted by askmorequestions @ 01/02/2003 06:42 PM EST

This is everyone's war, wherever you are. Bush may not be the leader of my country but he has the support of the moron (Jean Chretien) sitting on the hot seat here and that's enough to tell anyone (who thinks that is) that we're in trouble too. Add the fact that his daughter's father in law, Paul Demarais, head of Power Corporation, also sits on the Board of Directors of Imperial Oil and the motivation they have/share is easy to see.

This is everyone's fight.

Brian

Posted by Brian Hay @ 01/02/2003 11:17 PM EST

The US is up for a big struggle or an immediate descent into slavery.

You have to make a choice:

Join, Fight, or Flee. Being a TV, lite beer, credit card zombie is not an option, it means you are already a slave.

Each choice has consequences for you and others.

As the world grows into a global tyranny, the flee option will be harder and harder.

So in the end, it is fight or join.

However, think about your moves. Use strategy and logic. Don't do anything desperate unless it is the last option.

We are facing a babylonian system of pure evil at its heart.

Certainly, this is the beginning of WWIII and this time the US is the aggressors. Ultimately the US will pay the price for its unwarranted aggression. If you don't believe this read the Grand Chessboard. It explains that the US needs a pearl harbor event to draw us into a less democratic society that can become a global superpower empire.

Ultimately, the goal of this aggression is the creation of a world government. It will be either the United States creating this new government or it will be the fall of the United States and the horrific destructive consequences that will create the vacuum that will allow the UN to fulfill a global role.

However, the UN is no saint, don't be fooled. All of the large players that are aggressors are working to create a world state, aka the New World Order.

The upcoming economic collapse of the US under its enormous debt-money banking system will help server as a catalyst.

Certainly, with human capabilities today and the technology that we possess we have the capability to create a world government.

However, those that are trying to create it... ie Zbigniew Brzezinski, Bushes, Rockefellers, Queen of England, Dutch Royalty, Rothschilds, the Council on Foreign Relations, central bankers and a whole host of Luciferians (just watch "Eyes Wide Shut") are not spiritually and intellectually mature enough to create a durable, lasting system. Certainly, instituting a world government via creating fear and disinformation is not a successful long-term strategy, even though these folks might have the wealth and power and will to attempt to create a one world order, they are going to fail miserably bringing down much of humanity.

The way to unifying humanity is not through military domination, debt slavery, disinformation, hatred, exploitation and dishonesty.

The way to the unification of humanity needs to be based on compassion, understanding, communication, collaboration, empathy, sacrifice.

The current leaders have been seriously misled to follow the policies that they are enacting. They see self-gain from it. However, the rest of humanity is not idiotic as they would like to believe. An Ivy League degree does not necessarily confer wisdom or intelligence. Believe me.

So essentially we are witnessing the third world war driving to a New World Order. This war may last 25 years and may appear to have initial success, aggrandizing its power and influence rapidly.

However, the rapid ascension of the Anglo-American alliance of evildoers will certainly fail in the end as all would-be global dominators have.

Someday humanity will look back at out current epoch as a very sad, dark period.

No matter how much these people believe they will fulfill political, religious or psychosocial ends, they will ultimately fail considering that they are going against the grain of humanity, attempting to impose their will.

Humanity is like a spring... you can put your foot down on it for a long time... but sooner or later you will move your foot, for one reason or another... and at that point the spring will escape and lash back.

If only we could fast forward 20 years.

- MaxO

Posted by MaxO @ 01/03/2003 01:03 AM EST

Brian Hay is right on track. During Enrons demise, a lot of wall street anaylists on CNBC were touting Imperial Oil. I had no idea about the connection you had mentioned Brian. Thanx! Also, another company I recall that was mentioned during enrons collapse was Suncor. Also note that the head of Bombardier, Robert Greenhill may be/is associated with the Carlysle group.

Posted by north wind @ 01/03/2003 04:25 AM EST

just look at the system. the original menace, and the one that financed the complete modern day junta was the criminalisation of marijuana. Harry Anslinger, in 1933 put the fear of death by pot in the hearts of Americans. Then provided the solution. Pay up, pay the federal govt. and we will protect you. We will put all of those black and mexican pot smokers in prison, and free you up. so 20,000 dollars passed from a few states to the federal govt. The scam worked. and worked and worked. now they are receiving serious protection money for so many other menaces, the most modern one being 'education' and terrorism, and every other federal program that has been istituted to promote 'safety' States bought it. they fell right into the trap. The laws that govern the prohibition of Marijuana are the laws that cannot be revoked, or all federal power over states will end. why do you think that they fight so hard to kick the shit out of pot users, and poor farmers that grow it? It has alot to do with legal precidents that were made in the development of the police state; and federal takover.
It gets more serious, because as VOX readers know, they pulled us off of the gold standard, and then proceeded to RAPE every AMERICAN. The FRNotes and the acceptance of them have destroyed the operating system of the country. It is their primary tool of oppression. There is no conspiricy, fact is stranger than fiction. You ask, what can we do? its hard, its not efficient, its to abstract, and blah blah blah. you are fighting the richest most powerful people, and the devil. THE MOSTEST. what the fuck do think will work? electronic whining and crying. email and spam? what the fuck? get serious. The real enemies have put this plan into action years and years ago. The US is a corporation, and the offices of the interiors are corporate positions that are filled by qualified candidates. it will take more than talking to and about Rush Fucking Limbaugh to make any difference. discredit them, and their bullshit, by action. trade, local commerce, communications with people face to face, get out of debt, quit using their poisonous monies. even if you are not a believer in Jehovah or Jesus, read the bible, and know what is says in regards to money, and living a healthy life, and values, and moral integrity.
Become self sufficient with others, so that one does not have to do it alone. buy local. sell local. cut out things that support the pharmacutical companies, and the globalist marketing scheme designed just for the consumer. quit being a consumer, and become a provider. use every inch of free space to grow food. hydroponics makes feeding the world possible in the least amount of space. trade your veggies, and use intrinsicly valued items in trade. limit the use of petroleum consuming products and look for alternatives. Did i mention that its gonna be fucking hard? do you think that it is not going to be the biggest fight of your fucking life? Ive been in battle for years, and i can tell you first hand that its the hardest thing ive ever done, or continue to do. The resident of the white house is a mid level manager and spokesperson for a New Global Govt. the same govt that Donald Duck warned about in cartoons in the 40s and 50s. Congressmen have written books about it, and sold the books for a dollar, but did anyone pick it up? Federal prison schools destroy young minds, and then those minds are malliable to take the imprint of the system. Get 'educated' by going to a school of notoriety and designing viruses and germs that eradicate crops and plants, ohhh its for the good of the world to kill off this specific opium flower, it may not harm any other crops. its cool to kill off other countries crops, then they will need us to suppply them their own food. what the fuck kind of education is that? Just look at what those institutions teach young minds. Get a clue that the battle is a tough one, and drastic measures are necessary.
good luck, and remember,*
LOVE conquers ALL.
gkaju

Posted by gkaju @ 01/03/2003 05:13 AM EST

To northwind,

You're welcome. I've had the chance to look over the ties between Media and Politics in Canada, and to an extent, in the US as well. In Canada they media and politics are strongly connected right at the top. Demarais and his principle corportaion, Power Corporation have been the main backers for the hierarchy of most of our last several cabinets. He (Demarais) personally mentored Brian Mulrooney, Paul Martin and Michael Wilson. He supplied the principal funding for Trudeaumania and was a personal friend and advisor to Lester Pearson. He's also had extensive dealings with the Thomson Family (Thomson Newspapers, 29% of BCE, Bell Telephone, CTV), Isadore Asper (Canwest Global, Osprey Newspapers), Pierre Paledeau (Quebecor, Sun Media) and Conrad Black (Hollinger Inc.). Black and Demarais ARE members of the Trilateral Commission and Black is a member of the Bilderberger Group. As well, all of these people have ties to oil companies, shipping (Paul Martin owns Canada Steamship Lines), and, believe it or not, our largest retail chains. Thomson also owns Zellers.

The list goes on...

Here's a suggestion as to a way to approach people who DON'T want to believe that a small group of the world's ruling elite have something other than our best interests at heart.

Find the route that the money follows at the highest levels in your country and show people that. Many people I meet don't want to believe that 9/11 was an inside job but the tune they sing chan ges some when they learn that Canada Steamship Lines (Paul Martin's baby, one he purchased from Paul Demarais incidentally) runs the St. Lawrence Seaway under an agreement where they collect the fees while the "Government" (meaning tax revenues) pays for the upkeep. They also blanche somewhat when learning that Michael Wilson, at the time that he was our Minister of Finance was also serving on the Board of Directors of the International Monetary Fund when he was drafting up the legislation that gave Canada the GST (Goods and Services Tax) which crippled our economy for years.

What I'm saying is this: people look at the Conspiracy issue as mystical mumbo jumbo but do heed the financial ties when they see them. Show them those. And show those ties from other countries here. I for one would love to know how Blair is connected to the Industrialists in his Nation. As well, bring forth more of the routes those ties follow and you'll probably have the ties between the different Nations showing as well.

They're not hard to spot: all you have to do is follow the money.

To learn how the ties are set up in Canada read Democracy's Oxygen by James Winter. It's available through Black Rose Books.

http://www.web.net/blackrosebooks/democox.htm

Brian

Posted by Brian Hay @ 01/03/2003 07:57 AM EST

If you truly are tired of being part of the US corporate warring machine, here is a recommendation... Sell your stocks, buy Gold and Silver and mining shares. The US Dollar will implode this year - be forewarned - a world economic collapse is here - be prepared...during the great depression of 1929-1933 only gold mining survived - you can too... HAPPY NEW YEAR...

Posted by Stand for something @ 01/03/2003 11:38 AM EST

This is a question for Ronn's essay on the credit institution.

Is this basicaly a thesis on how to avoid paying your credit card bills?

Weed wack the Shrub

Posted by borkack @ 01/03/2003 02:06 PM EST

THE WORLD AS YOU KNOW IT IS COMING TO AN END REAL SOON AND YOU BETTER PREPARE. CHECK THIS OUT AND DO YOUR HOMWORK BEFORE THROWING IT OUT THE WINDOW.

http://www.nepanewsletter.com/polar.html

Posted by WHY THE RAPE OF THE WORLD AT THIS TIME????? @ 01/03/2003 03:22 PM EST

Hi vox--My IP banned me from posting comment--hope you can fix this--am using non-home computer--

Reread your "Make No Mistake..."--this was 1st article of yours i read and it blew my mind, esp dinner date--can't think of a better article to leaflet because you obviously know what you're talking about and people sense that--printed it, will get copies made on day off, and will let you know responses from groups i have plans to give copies to.

Peace and Freedom, kathleen

Posted by kathleen beatty @ 01/03/2003 03:32 PM EST

Homework done mister!!

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/science.html#iras

Posted by Duke @ 01/03/2003 07:12 PM EST

How right the UK government acts to protect the young from gratuitous
violence in computer games.
Whilst proving real life blood and guts fun on the battlefields.
And the helicopter gunship crews get the real shoot 'em up fun,
without opposition

US helicopter gunship crew's view of collateral damage targets in
Afghanistan:

http://www.newsfrombabylon.com/media/military/AC130_Gunship.wmv

Hold on for this video. It's a good one. As for its credentials -
there aren't any. Could all be a sim.If so there's some very sick-
minded (military)programmers out there Who's to tell

Posted by dh @ 01/03/2003 07:49 PM EST

i will be watching you your views r creative for i know where we are heading the wrong road the options we must creat and we will

kingdon

Posted by don hendershot @ 01/03/2003 08:46 PM EST

i will be watching you your views r creative for i know where we are heading the wrong road the options we must creat and we will

kingdon

Posted by don hendershot @ 01/03/2003 08:47 PM EST

How far this nation has fallen to be in under the leadership of such an ill-spoken, unenlightened mescreant. He screams his war chants sounding like a drunken monkey and all the while those outside America's shores stare in alarm with widened eyes. Complacent Americans should travel abroad and view this tragic farce away from the robotic talking heads who speak with one voice throughout what passes for 'free' media outlets.
The most distressing sight at airports today is not the security procedures. It is the hundreds of young men and women passing through the terminals for they are being called away from their homes and families and into active duty to serve this dastardly government's schemes.
What lies in their futures? Are Mr. Cowboy's children going to be sent to the Middle East in the name of 'peace?' The lies began in earnest on September 11. The problem with liars is they don't realize there are those who cannot be deceived. The other problem (for them) is they have apparently forgotten the ending of the Book. The good guys win.
Thanks, Vox, for upholding the spirit of Truth.

Posted by l'il wolf @ 01/03/2003 09:18 PM EST

Most who come to this site for the first time, either directed or through a link seem to get caught up in a rather big and ominous storm of such immense proportions that they become blown all over creation and are none for the better left emotionally and physically traumatized laying stunned in the refuse ditch of lifes vulgarness.

My suggestion: The economic/social conditions that we're all apart of didn't just occur. It has been built over the course of hundreds of years by an exceptionally clever and determined group of people who have come and gone just like you and I. They have agendas, are highly motivated and above all operate in a climate sustainable only by your ignorance. When you as an individual come to terms with this ignorance you'll start on a path of knowledge which means a determined goal of making yourself think rising above all the shit that life flings your way. Thinking is incredibly hard work (just ask Vox) most not being up to the arduous task and so there are plenty of people, believe me, who would love to think for you and in fact do.

For starters you need to read several books to aid you provided you haven't already been beaten into submission of the mind.
They are Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corprate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights by Thom Hartman which explains how corporations have in effect come to own you, spiritually (for those who go this route), physically, mentally; Sic Itur Ad Astra by Andrew J. Galambos who was a victim during that brief history of Nazi German lunacy; and Julian Jaynes' masterpiece entitled The Breakdown of Consciousness and the Bicameral Mind which discusses the historical consequences we are now experiencing of human submissiveness to authority.

When all the dust settles, no matter the consequences and as ugly as all this may seem, life will continue with or without your participation. History has proven the vast majority of human material is exactly that: material. Nature could care less. So turn off your goddamn TV, get up off the couch, stop making excuses, stop your complaining, produce more than you consume and clean your own mess.

Posted by Ben @ 01/03/2003 11:26 PM EST

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Posted by valis @ 01/04/2003 04:30 AM EST

When the "Make No Mistake About It" article was de-emphasized, it seemed to follow that the voxnyc message became somewhat fragmented. Not that the other articles aren't incredibly important in their own right, but "Make No Mistake About It" predicts that another 911-type of attack is going to occur for the purpose of terrifying people into giving up what's left of their liberty for security. We must continue to rub Bush's nose in the fact that we know another big one is coming, but that we're going to take it for exactly what it is -- another inside job. Afterward, we'll once again be able to identify the exact people in the chain of events that let/made it happen. Let them know right up front that we're not going to allow any foreign troops into America for ANY reason. We can deal with our own problems. The enemy has already softened us up by allowing foreign aircraft to patrol our skies after 911. Sure, Bush is a pathetic puppet, but he is the figurehead of our enemy. If vox and we continue to focus on exposing his lies, then we hit them right smack in their mouth. I've had a lot of good people contact me with encouragement and friendship since I started posting on Vox. The value of networking like this amongst ourselves is immeasurable. In the future I'll spend more time really trying to get to know those who write to me as a result of seeing my posts here. Let's bond, and really fight for America like brothers and sisters.

Webb Cook

Posted by Webb Cook @ 01/04/2003 09:55 AM EST

Indeed another attack is coming. It is outlined in the CFR's report:

http://www.cfr.org/pdf/Homeland_TF.pdf

I haven't read it since it went into PDF so it may have been redacted.

Essentially, there is going to be a big attack in the US that will kill maybe 20-80% of a city. Yes, hard to believe. However the CFR is 100% so far.

Their March 15, 2001 report was not only released 6 months before Sept. 11 but it accurately describes an attack saying "Americans will die on American soil, possibly in large numbers".

This latest report is also written by Hart/Rudman, though a previous head of the Coast Guard headlines it.

Don't be fooled the CFR has been making plans now for years. Board member Brzenzski's 1997 book outlines the current central Asia conquest as well as the need for a "Pearl Harbor type attack" to rally the multicultural United States.

So, if you want to know, yes there will be another attack. Probably around 6 months after the release of the November 15 report.

These guys aren't fucking around. They are for real. They want a global government, either by using the US to secure it or by collapsing the US and having the UN fill the void as everyone grows disgusted with the "evil" US, they could clamour for the UN to fulfill a bigger role. This is the same UN that forcibly sterilzied hundreds of thousands in rural South America. They aren't good folks, releasing manuals for sex education in Mexico encouraging bestiality, homosexuality and masturbation.

These globalists are sick. They need another attack to cow the American people into complete submission in preparation for global tyranny.

Posted by maxo @ 01/04/2003 12:24 PM EST

To hear an old recording about the CFR, listen to Myron Fagan at:

http://www.m2ktalk.com/myron_fagan.htm

The quality is a little low since it is from a record.

Yes Bush was involved in 9/11 but the CFR (intially propelled with some Rockefeller/central bank money) is the management group of this disgusting mess:

http://www.m2ktalk.com/myron_fagan.htm

Posted by maxo @ 01/04/2003 12:33 PM EST

Here's the braintrust behind the next attack:

Stephen E Flynn
Charles G Boyd
Warren Christopher
William J Crowe
Stephen Friedman
Gary Hart

Posted by maxo @ 01/04/2003 12:36 PM EST

maxo,

Yes, I downloaded the CFR doc and they do indeed state exactly what they're going to do. Which is, screw up our water -- a "basic element of life."

Thanks for providing the link.

Webb

Posted by Webb Cook @ 01/04/2003 01:25 PM EST

This may not be directly inline with this article, it's mostly a comment. I live in Toronto and was watching the Donahue show for the first time. I have always heard that he is considered to be "left" in his political views which made the show quite terrifying to watch. Andy Rooney was on the show and mentioned how the entire mainstream media is so liberal. And Donahue basically agreed. It scares me to think what the mainstream American left considers as liberal. Just about anything other than agreeing like a sycophant to an "elected" official seems to be considered liberal/left. It scares me because as a Canadian we get a lot of American news and I know all too well that there isn't a lot we can do to stop the Whitehouse from whatever it wishes to do. Our biggest hope lies within the American liberal/left to put up a strong voice. And if one of those voices is supposedly Phil Donahue...then I'm afraid for us all.

Posted by xxxdon @ 01/04/2003 01:46 PM EST

I have been inspired by the aricles and comments on this site to exert pressure,in my small way,on the NBC news network.There is now evidence that the chemical and biological weapons,hich may be used on soldiers in a second Gulf "War",were in fact manufactured in Boca Raton,Florida,and shipped circuitously to Iraq.(These weapons were used in the first Gulf War)This plant in Boca was REMOVED from the WMD "list" of the United Nations.Just to see if I could bait a big fish,I sent a link to all aspects of NBC news (link at http://www.tomflocco.com) Guess what?The "Dateline NBC" news division returned my mail..because they can't accept mail with attachments..(What? They can't scan for viruses?) I typed the link in,as opposed to attaching it,and,this time,the address (Dateline @NBC.com) had permanent fatal errors..undeliverable. What?I thought they would WANT to break a big story..(Yuk Yuk)

While I think it is a good idea to share the truth with as many people as posible - even news organizations - the reality is that you may be banging your head against the wall. They are the enemy - they are simply in on the game. That much is clear. I believe that your time would be better spent taking the truth directly to the people and warning them that everything on the "News" is a lie. Everything. Even if some young unspoiled "journalist" might resonate with the truth down at these massive news organizations (probably not however) his story would never make it past the editor who is working directly in service to the New World Order. And that truthfull reporter would be fired.

Posted by Tom Terrific @ 01/04/2003 02:35 PM EST

For Tom Terrific.....

The reason you might have gotten permenant faal errors when you tried to resend that stuff is because there might have been a space between the Dateline and the @ in the address....If you sent it to the address like it was listed in your post, that's why that happened.....

Send it again....Who knows, maybe miracles still do happpen and they will pay attention...At this stage in the game, it couldn't hurt......

Posted by TheWatcher @ 01/04/2003 11:46 PM EST

Tom Terrific....

Now there's an idea. When I get up in the morning, I am going to bombard all the big news stations web sites with all the links I can find about the truth.

Let's see how many people we can get to do the same.

Posted by borkack @ 01/05/2003 05:02 AM EST

Stop it. Please. Quit trying to convince the masses that Tyrany is here and now. Do something about it.

What are you doing about it?

If you think big brother is watching, Blind him. Laser pens work well. BB Guns in a pinch and you do not as of yet, need to register BB guns.

Useless idea. No thanks

If you think that the Goverment is spying one your computer, fine, overwelm them with information. Send them everything but the truth.

Now you're talking.

De-Organize, Cells of one to three,no more than that. If one gets caught and talks, it will not destroy the resistance. Never tell the next cell what or when you are doing it. Just know there are tens of thousands of cells fighting with you.

Stop lolly gagging on web sites and take action now. By yourself or in a cell, "you are responsible for what we used to call freedom."

When the state comes out actually admits that the new world order is here, Like it or Not. Then get your weapons and meet at your state capital for the final offensive. Either that, or fellow patriots will try to forget that you ever called yourself and "American".

They don't ever "come out and admit" that the new world order is here. It's just a gradual process which happens which is designed so that most people never even notice until one day when some smart person makes the observation, "Huh, we're slaves." That's how it is designed to work.

May God have mercy on us all that we have let it come this far. I have no one to blame but me, and I am ashamed.

Don't be ashamed. Just get off your ass and do some of those things that you are suggesting others do. Once again - WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU DO?

Freemen1776

Posted by freemen1776 @ 01/05/2003 05:49 AM EST

I did re send the article link... TWICE.There were no spaces in the Dateline@NBC.com.Still undeliverable.But they did manage to send a link BACK (if I wanted a transcript,or video copy of their past shows)

Another suggestion was to send this "story idea" to NBC via snail mail.

Apparently,they don't want viewers (that is average citizens) telling them what is a "story."

By the way freemen,"lolly gagging on web sites" is when people shop on "E-Bay" or download porn...

Posted by Tom Terrific @ 01/05/2003 08:52 AM EST

Tom Terrific...

The secret to sending emails to corporate email servers is to not include attachments, even web site links. Just copy and paste the address you want to send, but remove the htttp part, sometimes even the www too.

The reason behind this is their email servers have a kind of encryption process they run and their recpiants wont be able to accept attachments until the address you want to send to responds back to you.

Posted by borkack @ 01/05/2003 03:55 PM EST

Here's another idea folks, get your hands on an email bombing program and keep sending documents, links, truths to members of congress, house of reps, state reps and so on and so forth.

Posted by borkack @ 01/05/2003 04:21 PM EST

Something is happeng regarding the Bali Bombings in Indonesia. Robert S. Finnegan (the Jakarta Post Editor)has been threatened because he is telling the truth.
Can we do something regarding this matter vox ?

VOX COMMENT ANNOTATION: Please be more specific. What exactly is the threat? Can you give me a link to an article about it? Did he tell you personally? Is the newspaper threatening to fire him? Did someone threaten his life? What is the threat? Please send more information.
vox

Posted by lkd1 @ 01/06/2003 01:35 AM EST

* Terrific post, thanks askmorequestions

* "Understanding Power" by Chomsky is an excellent read, right on the money in so many ways, even in the first 60 pages.

* See www.siliconinvestor.com chat rooms, such as "impeach bush", and the right-wing extremist threads like "pres george bush". It's a fee to post, but some of us that got lifetime memberships are posting from this voxnyc.com, keep up the good work.

* Watch for the following:
(1)Economic malaise increasing between now and '04, with lots of denial from both parties
(2)Accelerating disaster after the '04 election, when Reagan-type deficits in the trillions will be continued, and the elite will have been able to xfer from equities into hard assets for inflation-protection, like r.e. and commodities
(3)Inflation, the only way gov't can proceed, which will discount trillions in new debt.
(4)Marches in the street in '04 by protestors against excessive taxation and military action of an unrepresentative gov't

Remember, the last Oct 26th rally in DC was successfully suppressed - even NPR said "10,000 demonstrators", then after the Nov. election apologized with "over 100,000 demonstrated". We'll see more of that.

The opposition exists w/in the media, but risk their jobs telling the truth. Keep channels like voxnyc.com open and increasingly active, but if you can find potential media representatives, keep hitting them with questions and posts, and some will risk the idea that there are more Americans who want reality than there are big-co. advertizers.

This morning I heard someone named "Russel" asking Ari Fleisher "why are there so many convicted criminals in the administration"... That was great. Anybody know who that Russel person was??

Posted by makeitgood @ 01/06/2003 02:13 PM EST

Is the following of any consolation to VOX? You might want to look up this Professor!

"While the United States will constantly strive to enlist the support of the international community, we will not hesitate to act alone, if necessary, to exercise our right of self defense by acting preemptively against such terrorists, to prevent them from doing harm against our people and our country" - The National Security Strategy of the United States of America

"January 4, 2002—"We sentenced Nazi leaders to death for waging a war of aggression," says International Law Professor Francis A. Boyle of the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign. By contrast, Prof. Boyle wants merely to impeach George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and John Ashcroft for their plans to invade Iraq and create a police state in America."

"Boyle is offering his services as counsel, free of charge, to any member of the House of Representatives willing to sponsor articles of impeachment. He is experienced in this work, having undertaken it in 1991 for the late Rep. Henry B. Gonzalez (D-TX), in an effort to stop the first Persian Gulf War. It takes only one member to introduce articles of impeachment. Of course, it will take many more than that to vote for impeachment, which will culminate in a trial in the Senate. Boyle is confident that, once the articles are introduced, others, including Republicans, will co-sponsor them. But we have to convince our Representatives that impeachment is necessary for the country and politically safe for them. This non-violent, constitutional process may be our best way of stopping World War III and saving our civil rights."

See whole article at: http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Ramares010403/ramares010403.html

Posted by Nancy B. @ 01/06/2003 02:57 PM EST

makeitgood: in regards to your question about Russell...

White House reporter Russell Mokhiber is the editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Corporate Crime Reporter. He co-authors the weekly Focus on the Corporation column with Robert Weissman which Common Dreams publishes. He can be reached at: russell@nationalpress.com
----------------------------

You can see more of his work under the title "Ari & I" documented at:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1217-08.htm

Posted by steve @ 01/06/2003 06:11 PM EST

Wow Valis the Blogger idea rocks!

Posted by Xaos @ 01/07/2003 07:30 AM EST

"This morning I heard someone named "Russel" asking Ari Fleisher "why are there so many convicted criminals in the administration"... That was great. Anybody know who that Russel person was??"

WHAT WAS ARI FLEISCHER'S ANSWER TO RUSSELL'S QUESTION?

Posted by Nancy B. @ 01/07/2003 02:46 PM EST

Part 1

The classic assassination scenario: the innocent, mind-controlled patsy; real assassination team; tampering with the intended victim's security; groundless, almost immediate blame (and if still alive, quick arrest and dispatch) of said patsy; cover-up; and finally the massive disinformation to the public via the clueless (and some not-so-clueless), controlled media.

An apparently sober Henri Paul got into the Mercedes S280; security had been changed - one different unchecked car instead of the heavier 600-series tinted-glass Merc and the Range-Rover support vehicle they had been using all day. Two days earlier Henri had had rigorous medical clearance for his pilot license renewal - no alcohol or anti-depressants here. It was 12:20am. The journey should have been straight-forward: from the Ritz Hotel to the Place de la Concorde junction with the Champs Elysees; turn right into the latter and then simply straight on to Fayed's appartement near L'Arc de Triomphe. Piece of cake; he'd done it before: 10 minutes max, with or without paparazzi.

Instead of turning right, Henri gunned the car straight across Place de la Concorde and, jumping a red traffic-light, into the Cours de la Seine dual carriageway, heading in exactly the opposite direction - away from - the Fayed residence. Less than one minute later, the Mercedes braked hard, scraped concrete on its right-hand side, veered sharply left and slammed into the 13th pillar of the Pont de l'Alma tunnel - built on an ancient site of human sacrifice to the goddess Diana, and the site of the torture and spit-roasting to death of Knights' Templar Grand Master, Jacques De Molay. It was 12:25am.

A French doctor and his "American buddy", who had been travelling in the opposite direction in the tunnel, called the emergency services. It was 12:26am - 1 minute after the crash. Doctor and buddy attended to the two still-live victims - Diana and bodyguard - with an oxygen cylinder and mask - allegedly - while paparazzi took photographs. An ambulance crew arrived. It was 12.45am - 20 minutes after the crash. As usual, Paris had air-ambulances on stand-by but none was summoned. All police radio communications were down from 12:20am to 12:45am. All seventeen (17) CCTV cameras along the fateful route and in the tunnel were inoperational. The crash site was not sealed.

Diana was moved by road-ambulance from the tunnel. It was 01:30am - 65 minutes after the crash. The ambulance under police escort headed for the 13eme Arrondissement (13th District), La Pitie-Salpetriere Hospital, 6km away, the 5th nearest hospital - all capable of dealing with such emergencies - to the crash scene. It took 40 minutes to arrive at the hospital - that's an average speed of 9km/hour. It was 2:10am - one hour and 45 minutes after the crash. Diana was not put on a life-support system but two surgeons - so they say - opened up her chest and massaged her heart. She was officially pronounced dead at 4:38am - 4 hours and 13 minutes after the crash.

Diana's autopsy showed death occurred at 12:45am - she had been killed in the underground chamberl. Fayed had no post-mortem; the pre-programmed mind-controlled patsy did - his autopsy showed a blood-alcohol level 2.5+ times over the French drink-drive limit, anti-depressant traces, and a level of carbon monoxide that would have felled an ox; the bodyguard has no memory of the journey and can not explain how or why only his seat-belt had been on - buckled en-route.

Diana was a loose cannon who could, quite easily, have brought down the (Masonic) House of Windsor. She had to be killed. A Ritual Killing? Without a doubt. Masonic? Absolutely. With their arrogant, in-your-face symbolism - definitely no accident.

Posted by Dave @ 01/07/2003 03:15 PM EST

From: davebunford <davebunford@tinyworld.co.uk>
Part 2

The Queen of England is of the Germanic Houses of Hanover-Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and of the blue blood-line of the Scottish Knights Templar (now Scottish-Rite Freemasonry), going back to the 1300s and beyond. The Knights Templar were rounded-up in France by King Philip the Fair on the fiat of puppet-Pope Clement IV - and many (including Grand Master Jacques De Molay) were later tortured and spit-roasted to death where Pont de l'Alma now stands - on Friday, 13th October 1307. But most of the high-level KTs escaped to Portugal and Scotland, with their ships flying the KT ensign: The Skull and Crossbones. The wealthiest, most greedy and powerful pirates (and blackmailers; assassins; bribers; killers; mass-murderers; etc) in known history. And they still are today.

Queenie and her eldest son, Wingnut, are the head-honchos - Isis and Horus - of world-wide Masonry, fronted by the Duke of Kent and the KT/Masonic-controlled City of London. (Q: Why are - always have been since at least James I - all male heirs to the English throne circumcised? A: For hygienic reasons. Hah! Yeah, sure.) Bush the Elder (Yale; Skull & Bones) is a 33rd-degree Mason - the highest level - and is of the same blood-line and a distant cousin of Frau Lillibet. She knighted him some years back - arise and take over the world Sir George - but no-one knows exactly why (forget the usual bullshit - services to Britain blah, blah; services to Masonry/NWO, more like. Also see other Americans knighted by her - ALL Judeo-Masons to a man). pUKe Blair - groomed from an early age - is also of the same blood-line through his mother. Diana's death was a Masonic, ritual killing (as was JFK's); with their arrogant, in-your-face symbolism - definitely no accident.

How's about the International Space Station (ISiS) being Noah's Ark Mark II for the Judeo-Masonic Elite? A temporary refuge from the inevitable earth-bound asteroid/comet hit? Can't see any valid scientific reason for it meself, not at such huge tax-payer cost. What ARE they doing up there? Building a multi-billion dollar, 5-star hotel, no doubt. By the year - oh, let us say, just for the hell of it - 2012, the ISiS will be the size of three, maybe four football fields; and, I would bet my bottom dollar, with the shape of a Masonic symbol. Boy, are we grounded dumbos going to be mad when we find out: Shoot it down! Too late, suckers: it will be protected by the Missile Shield and HAARP. (Missile Shield: to protect America from any "rogue" state lobbing nuclear missiles at you? HELLO-OH, is any SANE fucker at HO-OME? Is there ANY intelligent life in the US of A? Or in the pUKe for that matter? Who on earth believes this blatant bullshit? OH NO! I have just spotted my "patriotic", flag-waving neighbours, Bubba and Verne. Fuck. Backspace. Delete.)

Keep up the good work. What is happening in the US today will - without a shadow of doubt - happen in the pUKe and EU (riddled with Judeo-Masons in high positions - in the National Governments, Police, European Parliament, Court, Commission, Corporations, and Central Bank) tomorrow.

Posted by Dave @ 01/07/2003 03:20 PM EST

Your readers should know the truth of 9-11. The following account IS the way it happened.

http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wot/plissken.htm

Posted by McTavish @ 01/07/2003 03:37 PM EST

Kinda funny when they get caught what happens. Remember the bully who always messed with a scrawny kid and what happened when the kid gave him a bloody nose? Keep this in mind.

Posted by north wind @ 01/08/2003 02:29 AM EST

http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=36333
Mon Jan 6 14:24:03 2003
208.152.73.137

Meet The IRS - Americas Enemy Within
Especially after you've just paid'em

By: D. J. Logan

The IRS is not who you think they are. IRS agents are neither trained
nor paid by the United States Government.

Pursuant to Treasury Delegation Order No. 92, the IRS is trained under
the direction of the Division of Human Resources United Nations (U.N.)
and the Commissioner (INTERNATIONAL), by the office of Personnel
Management.

In the 1979 edition of 22 USCA 278, "The United Nations," you will
find Executive Order 10422. The Office of Personnel Management is
under the direction of the Secretary of the United Nations.

Pursuant to Treasury Delegation Order No. 91, the IRS entered into a
"Service Agreement" with the US Treasury Department (See Public Law
94-564, Legislative History, pg. 5967, Reorganization (BANKRUPTCY!!!)
Plan No. 26) and the Agency for International Development. This agency
is an international paramilitary operation and, according to the
Department of the Army Field manual (1969) 41-10, pgs 1-4, Sec. 1-7
(b) & 1-6. Sec. 1-10 (7) (c)(1), and 22 USCA 284, includes such
activities as, "Assumption of full or partial executive, legislative,
and judicial authority over a country or area."

The IRS is also an agency/member of a 169 nation pact called the
International Criminal Police Organization, or INTERPOL, found at 22
USCA 263a. The memorandum of Understanding, (MOU), between the
Secretary of Treasury, AKA the corporate governor of "The Fund" and
"The Bank" (International Monetary Fund, and the International Bank
for reconstruction and Development), indicated that the Attorney
General and her associates are soliciting and collecting information
for foreign principals; the international organizations, corporations,
and associations, exemplified by 22 USCA 286f.

According to the 1994 US Government Manual, at page 390, the Attorney
General is the permanent representative to INTERPOL, and the Secretary
of Treasury is the alternate member. Under Article 30 of the INTERPOL
constitution, these individuals must expatriate their citizenship.
They serve no allegiance to the United States of America. The IRS is
paid by "The Fund" and "The Bank."

Thus it appears from the documentary evidence that the Internal
Revenue Service agents are "Agents of a Foreign Principle" within the
meaning and intent of the "Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938"
for private, not public, gain.

The IRS is directed and controlled by the corporate Governor of "The
Fund" and "The Bank." The Federal Reserve Bank and the IRS collection
agency are both privately owned and operated under private statutes.
The IRS operates under public policy, not Constitutional Law, and in
the interest of our nations foreign creditors.

The Constitution only permits Congress to lay and collect taxes. It
does not authorize Congress to delegate the tax collection power to a
private corporation, which collects our taxes for a private bank, the
Federal Reserve, who then deposits it into the Treasury of the IMF.

The IRS is not allowed to state that they collect taxes for the United
States Treasury. They only refer to "The Treasury."

PC magazine reported that the Clinton Administration lawyers are
preparing executive orders to connect ALL private bank accounts and
banking cards directly to the IRS, Treasury and Federal Reserve
Computers.

"A society of sheep must, in time, beget a government of wolves."

- Bertrand de Juvenal.

Posted by Ronn @ 01/08/2003 09:21 AM EST

http://www.freedomlaw.com/brcolony.html

THE UNITED STATES
IS STILL A BRITISH COLONY

EXTORTING

TAXES FOR THE CROWN!

A DOCUMENTARY REVIEW

OF CHARTERS AND TREATIES

August 17, 1996

An introduction by the "Informer"

This is the latest from a man who visits me quite often. He
and another man researched my theory that we have never been free
from the British Crown. This disc shows the results. I have
states that we will never win in their courts. This shows
conclusively why. We have the hard copy of the treaties that are
the footnotes. This predates Schroder's material, my research of
the 1861 stats by Lincoln that put us under the War Powers
confiscation acts, and John Nelson's material. All our material
supports that the real Principal, the King of England, still rules
this country through the bankers and why we own no property in
allodium. This is why it is so important to start OUR courts of
God's natural (common) Law and break away from all the crap they
have handed us. This is one reason Virginia had a law to hang all
lawyers but was somehow, by someone, (the King) set aside to let
them operate again. Some good people put in the original 13th
amendment so that without the lawyers the King could not continue
his strangle hold on us. James shows how that was quashed by the
King. I am happy that James' research of six months bears out my
theory, that most people would not listen to me, that we are still
citizen/subjects under the kings of England. My article called
"Reality" published in the American Bulletin and the article of
mine on the "Atocha case," wherein Florida in 1981 used it's
sovereignty under the British crown to try to take away the gold
from the wreck found in Florida waters supports this premise.
James makes mention of the Law dictionaries being England's Law
Dict. you will not is lists the reign of all the Kings of England.
It never mentions the reign of the Presidents of this country.
Ever wonder Why? Get this out to as many people as you can.
The Informer.

The United States is still a British Colony

The trouble with history is, we weren't there when it took
place and it can be changed to fit someones belief and/or
traditions, or it can be taught in the public schools to favor a
political agenda, and withhold many facts. I know you have been
taught that we won the Revolutionary War and defeated the British,
but I can prove to the contrary. I want you to read this paper
with an open mind, and allow yourself to be instructed with the
following verifiable facts. You be the judge and don't let prior
conclusions on your part or incorrect teaching, keep you from the
truth.

More--

Posted by Ronn @ 01/08/2003 09:24 AM EST

Shrubyatollah's World:

http://24.86.211.34/movies/fuckworld.avi

Posted by Alfonzo @ 01/08/2003 11:31 AM EST

Q Ari, other than Elliott Abrams, how many convicted criminals are on the White House staff?

MR. FLEISCHER: (Laughter.) You tell me, Russell. You seem to keep count.

Q Can you give me a list of convicted criminals on the White House staff, other than Elliott Abrams?

MR. FLEISCHER: I'll go right to the convicted criminals division and ask them to turn -- (Laughter.)

Q No, seriously -- why isn't being convicted of a criminal a disqualifier for being on the White House staff?

MR. FLEISCHER: Russell, this is an issue that you like to repeat every briefing. I refer you to the --

Q But you don't answer --

MR. FLEISCHER: -- repeat I gave you the third time you asked it, which matched the second, which corresponded to the first.

Posted by Keyser Soze @ 01/08/2003 04:11 PM EST

ronn, now we see we why the shitholes at the top don't like or want the usage of the term F.U.C.K ....fornication under control(by the)king.I believe it should be used more so now,how true and appropriate

Posted by an american forever @ 01/08/2003 06:40 PM EST

It Is Now Out In The Open In Congress:
Constitution is "Inappropriate and Anachronistic."

Only One Non-Violent Option Left For The People: It Is Un-American To Fund This Government

The power to tax and the power to wage war are the two most potent enumerated powers; most sought after by government; most potentially harmful to individual Liberty; most in need of citizens’ scrutiny.

As further justification for the People to stop sending money to the federal government, this article reports on the treasonous behavior that occurred in the halls of Congress on October 2 and 3. 2002, regarding the unconstitutional commitment of this nation to war.

The government’s disdain and disrespect for the Constitution came out into the open on October 3, 2002, in the House of Representatives, during the second day of a two-day hearing on the Iraq Resolution (H.J. Resolution 114), "AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ."

Congressman Ron Paul reminded the Chairman of the House of Representatives Committee on International Relations that the Constitution required a congressional Declaration of War before the armed forces of the United States could be applied in hostilities overseas, not H.J.R 114, a congressional Resolution authorizing the President to decide if and when to apply that force.

However, Chairman Henry Hyde is quoted, for the record, "There are things in the Constitution that have been overtaken by events, by time. Declaration of war is one of them…There are things no longer relevant to a modern society…Why declare war if you don’t have to?…We are saying to the President, use your judgment…So, to demand that we declare war is to strengthen something to death. You have got a hammerlock on this situation, and it is not called for. Inappropriate, anachronistic, it isn’t done anymore…." (Continued. . . )

http://www.givemeliberty.org/

Posted by Ronn @ 01/09/2003 08:52 AM EST

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Posted by Alfonzo @ 01/09/2003 11:26 AM EST

look at this shit:

http://www.northcom.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=news.factsheets&factsheet=4

-Ozgar Pugnus

Posted by O.P. @ 01/09/2003 11:39 AM EST

You do not have to worry about stopping these maniacs. what they abuse the most will soon return the favour to the gang of psycho-killers and rapists. Earthquakes and storms will take care of the new world order, nature is fed up of being raped and pillaged. Can the economy convince the earth not to cleanse itself of scum? They cannot bribe or intimidate nature. Good luck to all in the coming escalation of chaos. Be physically, mentally and emotionally stong if you want to survive. To deal with TYRANTS read A SEPARATE REALITY BY CARLOS CASTENADA. CALL THEIR BLUFF.

Posted by elijahs revenge @ 01/09/2003 12:51 PM EST

FUCK is old english law statute for fornication under carnal knowledge

Posted by curly bear @ 01/09/2003 03:48 PM EST

Poll

The Biggest Threat To Peace

Which country really poses the greatest danger to world peace in 2003? Time ask for readers' views.

www.time.com/time/europe/gdml/peace2003.html?cnn=yes

Posted by Alfonzo @ 01/09/2003 04:09 PM EST

Thoughts on the present state of American affairs.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=27312
Many in America are fortunate in being physically removed from the
growing tyranny and injustice meted out by the Federal government. The
evil is not yet close enough to their doors to make them feel the
precariousness with which all of America is now possessed.

Those more passive than others look lightly upon the many recent
offenses of the Federal government and, hoping for the best, are apt
to say, "Come, come, we shall be friends again, for all this." But,
consider human nature and tell me whether you can hereafter, love,
honor and serve the power that has brought such manifest injustice and
tyranny to America. If you cannot do this, then you are deceiving
yourself and, by your delay, bringing ruin upon your posterity.

Your future allegiance to this government will be forced and unnatural
and, being formed only on the plan of present convenience, will in
time fall into a state more wretched than now.

If you say that you can overlook the transgressions, I ask: Has your
home been taken from you because you were unable to pay the property
taxes they demanded? Has your son been arrested and held in a secret
place, without charges, now subject to torture and summary execution
because he has been labeled an "enemy combatant" by a Federal
bureaucrat? Have your children been denied admission to a decent
school in the name of affirmative action? Have you been denied
employment in favor of those whose only qualification
is their skin color?

Have your grandchildren been stolen by the state on trumped-up
allegations of child abuse, the sole basis for which is the fact that
they are not fat...or are home schooled...or are Christians? Have your
wages been taken in the form of taxes and given to illegal immigrants
in the form of medicine, schooling and housing, none of which you can
afford your own family in equal measure?

Have your brothers and sisters been executed in a fiery conflagration
such as Waco because they dared to be different? Has your son been
shot in the back, like Randy Weaver's?

If you have not, then you are not a judge of those who have. But, if
you have, and still can shake hands with the murderers, then you are
unworthy of the name of husband, father, friend or lover, and,
whatever may be your rank or title in life, you have the heart of a
coward and the spirit of a sycophant.

I do not conjure up the horror of everyday life experienced by some
Americans for the purpose of provoking revenge, but to awaken us from
our slumber. It is not in the power of the Federal government to
enslave us if we do not enslave ourselves by delay and timidity. The
season now upon us is worth an age if rightly employed; if neglected,
every American will suffer the misfortune that today inflicts the few
among us.

It is repugnant to reason that America should longer remain subject to
the grasping power that its central government has gathered to itself.
Reconciliation to this government is a false dream. As Milton wisely
said, "never can true reconcilement grow where wounds of deadly hate
have pierced so deep."

Every quiet method for peace has been ineffectual. Our pleas have been
rejected with disdain by the courts at every level. Our petitions have
only tended to convince us that nothing flatters vanity, or confirms
obstinacy in our government more than repeated petitioning. Nothing
has contributed more than such pointless entreaties to the
consolidation of power by Kings in other countries in times past.
Since it appears that nothing but blows will do, let us come to a
final separation and not leave the next generation to be cutting
throats for the sake of violated family members.

It is not in the power of the Federal government to do America
justice. It has become too weighty, intricate and inextricably bound
up with the affairs of all men to afford even a modicum of the freedom
upon which America was founded. There was a time when a central
government over us all was proper...and there is a proper time for it
to cease.

There is something absurd in supposing a continent to be perpetually
governed by an island the size of the District of Columbia. In no
instance has nature made the satellite larger than its primary planet.
As America now reverses the common order of nature, it is obvious the
time has come to effect a separation between America, for those who
wish to extend the
current state of affairs, and New America, for those who wish to
reenter the constitutional republic that once was all of America.

I am not moved by motives of pride, party or resentment to espouse the
doctrine of separation and independence. I am clearly and
conscientiously persuaded that it is in the best interest of all
Americans to effect this separation; that anything short of separation
is mere patchwork that will afford no lasting peace; that it is
leaving the sword to our children and shrinking back at a time when a
little farther, a little more, would deliver to this continent a
lasting peace.

As the Federal government has manifested not the least inclination
toward a compromise, we may be assured that no terms can be obtained
worthy of acceptance or justifying the tyranny and injustice to which
we already have been subjected.

If all of America must take up arms, if every man must be a soldier,
it is scarcely worth our while to fight against a contemptible
ministry only. Dearly would we pay for the repeal of Acts and
Executive Orders, if that is all for which we fight. It is as great a
folly to pay a Civil War price for law, as for land. The inevitability
of this government's demise, whether by hands domestic or foreign,
makes the waging of war against our own government like the wasting of
an estate upon a lawsuit to evict a tenant whose lease is just
expiring.

No man wished more to work within the system than myself, before the
fatal eleventh of September 2001. The moment the events of that day
were made known to have occurred, at minimum, by sufferance of our own
government, I rejected the hardened, sullen-tempered Executive Branch
of American government forever. Taken together with the sure knowledge
of our government's complicity in the Oklahoma City Bombing, Waco and
Ruby Ridge, along with a host of lesser-known indignities to our
national conscience, I disdain the wretch with the pretended title,
Father of His People, that he can unfeelingly hear of their slaughter
and composedly sleep with their blood upon his soul.

But, even assuming we could make our peace with the Federal government
today, what would be the result? I answer, the ruin of America,
still - for several reasons:

First, the powers of governing still being concentrated in the hands
of the President, he will have a negative influence over the whole
legislation of America. As each occupant of that office for the past
150 years has shown himself to be such an inveterate enemy to liberty,
and discovered such a thirst for arbitrary power, the President is not
a proper man to say, "You shall make no laws but what I please."

Is there any inhabitant in America so ignorant as not to know that,
despite the American Constitution, no laws can be made but that to
which the President gives leave? After all is said and done, can there
be any doubt but the whole power of the Federal government will be
exerted to keep the common man as low, subservient and humble as
possible? We are already freer than the President wishes us to be;
will he not hereafter endeavor to make us less so?

Is the power that is so suspicious of our freedom a proper power to
govern us? Whoever says "No!" to this question is a separatist, for
separation means no more than whether we shall make our own laws or
whether the Presidency, which is among the greatest enemies this
continent has, shall tell us, "There shall be no laws but such as I
like."
The citizenry of America is only secondary in the system of American
politics. The Federal government advances the good of the people no
farther than serves its own purposes. Our government's interest leads
it to suppress the growth of ours in every case which does not promote
its own advantage or in the least interferes with it.

To show that reconciliation now is a dangerous doctrine, consider the
following: it would be advisable for the President at this time to
repeal the Patriot Act, the Homeland Security Act and the many
Executive Orders issued which have further bound the population of
America, for the sake of reingratiating himself with all the people of
America. That way, he might accomplish, via artifice and subtlety, in
the long run, that which he will not be able to do by force and
violence in the short one. Reconciliation and ruin are nearly one and
the same.

Second, even the best terms which we can hope to obtain amount to no
more than a temporary expedient, which can last no longer than until
America is taken by force by its foreign enemies, whose number have
become legion. Even now, citizens have begun to dispose of their
effects, moving to remote portions of the country, with some
emigrating to other countries altogether.

But, the most powerful of arguments is that nothing but true
separation of America will keep the peace and preserve it inviolate
from civil war. I dread the event of reconciliation with the Federal
government now, as it is more than probable that it will be followed
by a revolt somewhere or other, the consequences of which may be far
more fatal than all the malice of Washington, DC.

Posted by Ronn @ 01/09/2003 08:18 PM EST

Shrubs call up of reserves include Klowns (KKK) that will have a demonstration thgis weeken 1-11-03 in Lewiston, Maine. Imagine that, real terrorists for a change. Temperatures are to be around 0 degrees F. What you want to do is fill balloons with hydraulic oil, (texaco preferred) and let the bastards have it. Hydraulic oil penetrates quickly (much better than water) and is the coldest thing imaginable once it hit the skin in those temperatures. About a cup will do. Just ask anyone who has worked with the stuff. Ruins the clothes and smells bad too. Beats the hell out of a water cannon.

Posted by north wind @ 01/09/2003 08:30 PM EST

Well, mineral oil would be more environmentally friendly. Excuse the typos. I understand Cryptome is getting some heat from the Mass. A.G.. Well its time for those involved in renewable energy to help Cryptome out. A week or so ago The Mass. A.G. wrote to all A.G. who reside in all coastal states to stop all offshore wind energy development. I, along with my counterparts strongly disagree. Bush and oil interests are at play here. If you support renewable energy and freedom of speech it is time to put the pressure on the Mass. A.G.. and his Klown Brethern. NW

Posted by north wind @ 01/09/2003 09:22 PM EST

The ONLY way we are going to beat Big Brother is MONEY!!!!!! It is hard for me too, I hope I have the discipline...I am at a disadvantage, I did not loose family to the Bush massacre of 911.

Posted by emmanuel goldstein @ 01/10/2003 04:35 AM EST

The ONLY way we are going to beat Big Brother is MONEY!!!!!! It is hard for me too, I hope I have the discipline...I am at a disadvantage, I did not loose family to the Bush massacre of 911.

Posted by emmanuel goldstein @ 01/10/2003 04:36 AM EST

I have been busy putting up fliers from http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/PhotoAlbum1.html, all over the Houston area. Since, as humans, we are primarily visually-oriented in our learning processes, the posters from this site have been pretty effective, as a tool to move the masses. Stand strong! Never give up! Solidarity!

Posted by The Nighthawk @ 01/10/2003 09:25 AM EST

curly bear-

you're correct also incomplete,the pheasants used the slant to inslut the nobles.The nobles had ownership of them.they had the right to deflower a virgin on her wedding night before her husband as an inslut toward GOD and family htere by creating bastard offspring which is the majority of english,dutch,french,german people alive today!I would belive that would include most of the rest of the world also.As has happened every where they went to conquer peopleand lands.Treated as property as conquered to do as they wish!I know because I'am from that line . recorded by my family back to William the conquerer from family documents!Real royals are inbreds,genetic reject murderers!

Posted by an american forever @ 01/10/2003 05:24 PM EST

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Posted by Stella @ 01/10/2003 09:25 PM EST

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Posted by Stella @ 01/10/2003 09:25 PM EST

To pUKe Blair, In-bred War-monger :

9/11 was an inside job - and you know it, pal. USAma bin Laden is and always has been a CIA Rent-a-Terrorist. The war on (fake) terror is a war on freedom.

I will NEVER support your war-criminal spew-Labour party again. You are a piece of shit. And one day YOU will pay the fucking blood price. NOW FUCK OFF.

Posted by Tulip @ 01/11/2003 06:16 AM EST

there is an increasing sense of oppostion against the upcoming war in iraq. Blair is losing the political fight on the home front, dubya's ratings are slowly falling to mention but two. I for one am sending this website address to as many people as i know here in the uk and back home in nz as well as talking about it on as many website discussion boards as i can. However i must confess to feeling a sense of impending doom...if the opposition to this war does grow louder the only way to get people onside will be another disaster and i fear it will be in britain. Are these guys prepared to kill more us to get their war ? More of us need to get on websites that have discussion forums and and bombard them with this information - we are running out of time ....cmon people lets get to it.

Fight the power

Posted by ozone friendly @ 01/11/2003 06:41 AM EST

http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=36390

THE LAWYER'S SECRET OATH
Thu Jan 9 20:29:51 2003

DEBTORS AND CREDITORS

The concept and status of DEBTORS AND CREDITORS is very important for you to understand. Every legal action where you are brought before the court: e.g. traffic ticket, property dispute or permits, income tax, credit cards, bank loans or anything else they might dream up to charge you where you find yourself in front of a court - IT IS AN EQUITY COURT, administering commercial law having a debtor/creditor law as the controlling law. Today, we have an equity court but not an equity court as referred to in the Constitution of the U.S. or any of the legal documents before 1938.

All the courts of this once great land have been

changed starting with the Supreme Court decision of 1938 in

Erie R.R. v. Thompkins, 304 U.S 64 (1938)

give you background which led to this decision. Some of this information is from the Ben Freeman tapes of 1989. They are excellent tapes if you have them. Ben used to talk about "legislative democracy." I couldn't find a definition for legislative democracy. It bothered me. However, by listening to his tapes as well as other tapes. I began to see the fraud that is being perpetrated on all of us Americans. Please understand that this fraud is a 24 hour, 7 days a week, year after year continuous fraud. It doesn't happen just once in a while. This fraud is constantly upon you all your life. Whether you are aware of it or not, this fraud is perpetually and incessantly upon you and your family.

U.S. Inc. Goes To Geneva 1930's

In order for you to understand just how this fraud works, you need to know the history of its inception. It goes like this: from 1928 - 1932 there were five years of Geneva conventions. The nations of the world met in Geneva, Switzerland for 5 continuous years in order to set up what would be the policy of all the participating countries. During the year of 1930 the U.S., Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc. all declared bankruptcy. If you try to look up the 1930 minutes, you will not find them because they don't publish this particular volume. If you try to find the 1930 volume which contains the minutes of what happened, you will probably not find it. This volume has been pulled out of circulation or is hidden in the library and is very hard to find. This volume contains the evidence of the bankruptcy.

Going into 1932, they stopped meeting in Geneva. In 1932 Franklin Roosevelt came into power as President of the United States. Roosevelt's job was to put into place and administer the bankruptcy that had been declared two years earlier. The corporate government needed a key Supreme Court decision. The corporate United States government had to have a legal case on the books to set the stage for recognizing, implementing and supporting the bankruptcy. Now, this doesn't mean the bankruptcy wasn't implemented before 1938 with the Erie RR v. Thompkins decision. The bankruptcy started in 1930-1931. The bankruptcy definitely started when Roosevelt came into office. He was sworn in during the month of January, 1933. He started right away in the bankruptcy with what is known as the "The Banking Holiday," and proceeded in pulling in gold coin out of circulation. That was the beginning of the United States Public Policy for bankruptcy.

Roosevelt Stacks Supreme Court

It is a known historical fact that during 1933 and 1937-1938, there was a big fight between Roosevelt and the Supreme Court Justices. Roosevelt tried to stack the Supreme Court with a bunch of his pals. Roosevelt tried to enlarge the number of Justices and he tried to change the slant of the Justices. The corporate United States had to have one Supreme Court case which would support their bankruptcy problem.

Their was resistance to Roosevelt's court stacking efforts. Some of the Justices tried to warn us that Roosevelt was tampering with the law and with the courts. Roosevelt was trying to see to it that prior decisions of the court were overturned. He was trying to bring in a new order, a new procedure for the law of the land.

The "Mother Corporation"

Goes Bankrupt

A bankruptcy case was needed on the books to legitimize the fact that the corporate U.S. had already declared bankruptcy! This bankruptcy was effectuated by compact that the corporate several states had with the corporate government (Corporate Capitol of the several corporate states). This compact tied the corporate several states to corporate Washington, D.C. (the headquarters of the corporation called "The United States"). Since the United States Corporation, having established it headquarters within the District of Columbia, declared itself to be in the state of bankruptcy, it automatically declared bankruptcy for all its subsidiaries who were effectively connected corporate members (who happened to be the corporate state governments of the Union). The corporate state governments didn't have to vote on the bankruptcy. The bankruptcy automatically became effective by reason of Compact/Agreement between each of the corporate state governments and THE MOTHER CORPORATION. (Note: The writer has taken the liberty of using the term "Mother Corporation" to communicate the interconnected power of the corporate Federal government relative to her associated corporate States. It is my understanding that the States created the Federal Government, however, for all practical purposes, the Federal Government has taken control of her "Creators," the States.) She has become a beast out of control for power. She has for her trade names the following: "United States", "U.S.", "U.S.A.", "United States of America", Washington, D.C., District of Columbia, Feds, Federal Government. She has her own U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Parks, Post Office, etc., etc., etc. Because she is claiming to be bankrupt, she freely gives her land, her personnel, and the money she steals from the Americans via the I.R.S. and her state corporations, to the United Nations and the International Bankers as payment for her debt. The UN and the International Bankers use this money and services for various world wide projects to include war. War is an extremely lucrative business for the bankers of the New World Order. Loans for destruction. Loans for re-construction. Loans for controlling people on her world property.

U.S. Inc. Declares Bankruptcy

The corporate U.S., then, is the head corporate member, who met at Geneva, to decide for all its corporate body members. The corporate representatives of corporate several states were not in attendance. If the states had their own power to declare bankruptcy regardless of whether Washington D.C. declared bankruptcy or not, then the several states would have been represented at Geneva. The several states of America were not represented. Consequently, whatever Washington D.C. agree to at Geneva was passed on automatically, via compact to the several corporate states as a group, association, corporation or as a club member, they all agreed and declared bankruptcy as one government corporate group in 1938. The several states only needed a representative in Geneva by way of the U.S. in Washington, D.C. The delegates of the corporate United States attended the meetings and spoke for the several corporate states as well as for the mother corporation located in Washington, D.C., the seat and headquarters of the Federal Corporate Government. And, presto BANKRUPTCY was declared for all.

From 1930 to 1938 the states could not enact any law or decide any case that would go against the Federal Government. The case had to come down from the Federal level so that the states would rely on the Federal decision and use this decision as justification for the bankruptcy process within the states.

Uniform Commercial Code (UCC)

Emerges as the Law of the Land

http://www/law.cornell.edu/ucc//1/overview.html

By 1938 the corporate Federal Government had the true bankruptcy case they had been looking for. Now, the bankruptcy that had been declared back in 1930 could be up-held and administered. That's why the Supreme Court had to be stacked and made corrupt from within. The new players on the Supreme Court fully understood that they had to destroy all other case law that had been established prior to 1938. The Federal Government had to have a case to destroy all precedence, all appearance, and even the statute of law itself. That is, the Statutes at Large had to be perverted. They finally got their case in Erie R.R. v. Thompkins. It was right after that case that the American Law Institute and the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws listed right in the front of the Uniform Commercial Code, began creating the Uniform Commercial Code that is on our backs today. Let us quote directly from the preface of the 1990 Official Text of the Uniform Commercial Code 12th edition.

The Code was originally approved by its sponsors and the American Bar Association in 1952, and was revised in 1958 to incorporate a number of changes that had been recommended by the New York Law Revision Commission and other agencies. Subsequent amendments that were deemed desirable in the light of experience under the Code were approved by the Permanent Editorial Board in 1962 and 1966.

The above named groups and associations of private lawyers got together and started working on the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC). It was somewhere between 1930 and 1940, I don't recall, but by the early 40's and during the war, this committee was working to form the UCC and got it ready to put on the market. The UCC is the law merchant's code for the administration of the bankruptcy. The UCC is now the new law of the land as far as the courts are concerned. This Legal Committee of lawyers put everything; Negotiable Instruments, Security, Sales, Contracts/Agreements, and the whole mess under the UCC. That's where the "Uniform" word comes from. It means it was uniform from state to state as well as being uniform with the District of Columbia. It doesn't mean you didn't have the uniform instrument laws on the books before this time. It means the laws were not uniform from state to state. By the middle 1960's, every state had passed the UCC into law. The states had no choice but to adopt the newly formed Uniform Commercial Code as the law of the land. The states fully understood they had to administrate bankruptcy. Washington D.C. adopted the Uniform Commercial Code in 1963, just six weeks or so after Kennedy was killed.

Your Lawyer's Secret Oath?

What was the effect and the significance of the Erie RR. v. Thompkins case decision of 1938? The significance is that since the Erie decision, no cases are allowed to be cited that are prior to 1939. There can be no mixing of the old law with the new law. The lawyers (who were members of the American Bar Association, were and are currently under and controlled by the Lawyer's Guild of Great Britain) created, formed and implemented the new bankruptcy law. The American Bar Association is a franchise of the Lawyer's Guild of Great Britain. Since the Erie RR. v. Thompkins case was decided; the practice of law in this country was never again to be the same.

It has been reported (source unknown to the writer) that every lawyer in existence and every lawyer coming up has to take a SECRET OATH to support the bankruptcy. This seems to make sense after read about Mr. Sweet's CASE FILE DISAPPEARANCE discussed below. There is more to it. Not only do they promise to support the bankruptcy, but the lawyers and judges also promise never to reveal who the true creditor party is in the bankruptcy proceedings. In court, there is never identification and appearance of the true character and principal of the proceedings. This is where you can get them for not making an appearance in court. If there is no appearance of the true party to the action, than there is no way the defendant is able to know the true NATURE AND CAUSE OF THE ACTION. You are never told the true NATURE AND THE CAUSE OF WHY YOU ARE IN FRONT OF THEIR COURT. The court is forbidden to tell you that information. That's why, if you question the true nature and cause, the judge will say, "It's not my job to tell you. You are not retaining me as an attorney and I can't give you legal advice from the bench. I suggest you hire a lawyer."

Hire a Lawyer?

The problem here is, if you hire a lawyer, who is pledged not to reveal the true nature and cause. How will you ever find out the nature and cause? You won't! Why? If the true nature and cause of the action against you is revealed, it will expose the real creditor from whom this action and cause came. In other words, they will have to name the TRUE creditor. The true creditor will have to state the nature and cause. The true creditor will have to say, "It's a bankruptcy proceeding." That declaration then opens the door for you to question, "Who the hell are you? How did you get attached to my back and by what vehicle did I promise to become a debtor to you?" In this country, the courts on every level from the justice of the peace level all the way up - even into the International Law arena (called the World Court), are administrating the bankruptcy and are pledged not to reveal who the true creditors really are and how you personally became pledged as a party or participant to the corporate United States debt.

What would really kill these people off, would be to compel the International Bankers to send a lawyer to the courtroom and present himself as the attorney for the true creditor (the International Bankers). Then have the attorney put into the record the true nature and cause of the proceedings against you on that particular day.

The International Banksters told these various countries that they were now in a state of bankruptcy. The countries had been taken over by the creditor/bankers. And there was no choice, but for all these participating countries to declare bankruptcy. If they didn't agree to declare bankruptcy, the banksters threatened to collapse the economies and thereby put the countries back into the depression like the one from which they were just emerging. The banksters made an offer they couldn't refuse!

To review and elaborate: In 1930 there was a world wide depression. The bankers said, "Look. You can do it either of two ways. The easy way or the hard way. You just accept the bankruptcy and we'll let you out of the depression. If you don't, you're on your own." So all the countries involved agreed, because they realized that the International banksters had them by the throat. The countries therefore agreed that over a period of several years they would pass statutes and legislation for the implantation of the bankruptcy in favor of the International banksters.

Now, i would say that the key banksters were Rothchild and family and their agents by way of Rockefeller, by way of the Federal Reserve Banksters. Who were more specifically involved as key banksters and their agents is pure conjure on my part but it really doesn't matter at this point. The point is, there was an international bankruptcy and an international conspiracy to cover it up. There was a banking creditor who made the offer the countries accepted the offer in order to enable the representative countries to continue without revolution and to allow the politicians to remain comfortably in place. Under a delusion of solvency the countries were allowed to continue to operate as though they were solvent while in fact the representative countries were bankrupt.

The Snare

The bankruptcy scheme was/is an extremely clever and diabolical plan. How did they possibly pull this scheme off in the area of real estate, the same way they did it in the area of Federal Income Taxes. These Foreign banksters simply and deceptively devised ways and means to con you into declaring yourself a "CITIZEN" or a "RESIDENT" of the corporate U.S. Remember the corporate United States is Bankrupt per agreement and public policy. After you have been tricked into claiming you are one of their corporate United States Citizens, you are given a Social Security Number which ties y

Posted by Ronn @ 01/11/2003 10:15 AM EST

An American Forever- You have to admit it's a great word, just ask Tulip.

Posted by curly bear @ 01/11/2003 01:32 PM EST

Tulip- Did you know according to author Eustace Mullins book World Order, George Orwells real name was Blair?

Posted by curly bear @ 01/11/2003 01:37 PM EST

THE
LIBERTY
HOUR

with Bob Schulz WTP-TV

We The People will prepare to execute a mass-movement To Cut Government Funding

How We Will Accomplish Our Mission?

By ending the withholding, filing and paying of individual federal income taxes

Why we are taking this action?

1) The individual income tax is unconstitutional in its origin, illegal in its operation, and the government will not justify its behavior or respond to any Petition for Redress.

2) The income tax is being used to fund government activities that are unconstitutional, and government will not justify its behavior or respond to Petitions for Redress:

The income tax pays the interest on an unconstitutional national debt.
The income tax supports military aggression overseas without a formal declaration of war.
The income tax supports our rapidly expanding police state and the destruction of our liberty.
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Posted by Ronn @ 01/11/2003 02:26 PM EST

A freedom loving people is not the right prospect. A people that can prepare for war is needed. But, a people to distinguish when war is needed and when war is not, is the correct formula for a successful country. A successful country does not drop bombs on innocent civilians no matter if the regular population of this country views these people as cattle. If I have to hear one more idiotic republican teacher of mine say, let's just blow them up, i will have to do something. And that is the problem you people don't do anything, you talk.. and you no why you talk and don't fight... because you have money, you have food, and for the most part your a happy individual with money in his pocket. You know why? because greed runs the human brain.. you point the finger at these politicians.. but your just as greedy as them, because unless your poor or have been swept underneath the governmental rug. you really have no reason to fight the government and to give back your paycheck.. oh you would never do that.. thanks uncle sam.. for a revolution to be successful the fighters have to follow the objective they are promoting.. do you drive a car, do you pay taxes, do you give back governmental rebates, do you cease to function in this kind of life. no, but if you did and every other person that was sick of flying the flag of a fake country did as well.. things would change.. the government would have to give into your peaceful resistence.. it's called a strike.. a walk out.. and so forth.. and why can't you do it... it's because you don't believe in this enough yourself.. you still take the pay off.. every last one of you is as sick as any other american.. and the average american is only concerned with money.. and the average american will not agree with what you, in their terms radicals say intil the stock market crashes and they lose their cash flow. then they will be out in the streets... but as soon as that stock market gets back up to respectablilty. the people will silence and the chain will continue... it was the same way in the 30's... and people haven't changed.. but i wish you a luck, that you will need. although in the end the treatment of earth will not matter, because at the same time the research and the pollution of today that you guys fight against... might save the human race when the sun blows up 5 million years from today.

Posted by polishmafiose @ 01/12/2003 12:17 AM EST

Texas A&M president (Robert Gates)

Mr. Gates,

I urge you to turn yourself in to the FBI polygraphers. Tell them about your involvement in Operation Ringwind, and planning the 9/11 attacks. Turn in your co-conspirator George Bush Sr. for his involvement in planning the 9/11 attacks. An FBI polygrapher will take your statement.

Mr. Gates...focus on the following: The FBI uses polygraphs to eliminate suspects.

Sincerely,
David Howard

Posted by David Howard @ 01/12/2003 11:16 PM EST

David, Is this the same Robert Gates that was formerly (N/F) associated with Enron Wind Corp. (ZOND)............Please let me know. This is important. Thanx. NW

Posted by north wind @ 01/13/2003 12:52 PM EST

If you do not know, but have seen him or his picture, you will notice that his facial features resemble that of former president R. Nixon. (facial profiling : )

Posted by north wind @ 01/13/2003 12:59 PM EST

Just wanted to let Vox's readers know that my interview with him will be airing next Monday, January 20 on Democracy Now!

VOX COMMENT ANNOTATION: This posting is false. It is by one of this forum's regular "Disrupters" from Columbus Ohio. Poor schmuck. Disregard this fraudulent notice.

Posted by Amy Goodman @ 01/13/2003 07:11 PM EST

Because I’m a graduate of the University of Nebraska, the sorry dogs recently emailed the following load of garbage to me. I replied to "all" on the mailing list with my own "Whereas" at the bottom of this. I'm sorry to have to include the trash, but it's the only way to put it all into context. Thanks, Vox.

ALUMNI LEADERS CALL FOR STATE SUPPORT OF NU

On Jan. 10, University of Nebraska alumni leaders released a resolution calling on 127,000 NU alumni households in the state to support the university by taking an active role in assuring state support. The resolution further called upon the state legislature and governor to position Nebraska to remain a competitive and prosperous state by making adequate funding for the University of Nebraska a top priority.

The action was taken at the first joint alumni summit on state issues, hosted by the University of Nebraska-Lincoln Alumni Association. Alumni association presidents and several dozen volunteers from all four campuses of the University of Nebraska system met at the Wick Alumni Center to discuss future implications of the state's fiscal condition on the university as a whole.

ALUMNI SUMMIT RESOLUTION

Whereas the University of Nebraska, the state's university, is committed to providing teaching, research and service to the state and its citizens, and

Whereas keeping and attracting young people to the state is a critical issue for the state's future, and

Whereas the affordable education opportunities provided to the people of Nebraska by the University of Nebraska are a strong determinant in retaining them as future residents and taxpayers of the state, and

Whereas research universities are and will continue to be essential ingredients to growth in the new economy and the research conducted by the University of Nebraska leads to innovations that fuel the state's economic development, and

Whereas the services provided by the University of Nebraska are critical to economic development as well as the quality of life in communities across Nebraska, and

Whereas the University of Nebraska must compete on a global basis for students, faculty, staff and grant monies, and must be strongly supported so that Nebraska can prosper in the years ahead, and

Whereas investment in the University of Nebraska is essential to the state's economic well-being, especially in difficult economic times, and

Whereas, although the University of Nebraska will be required to take reductions as a result of this economic crisis, the University of Nebraska, because of the items set forth above, should be a top priority in allocating funds,

Now, therefore be it resolved that the leadership of the Alumni Associations of the University of Nebraska do hereby call upon the associations' 127,000 NU alumni households in the state to support its university by taking an active role in assuring state support, and further call upon the state Legislature and Governor to position Nebraska to remain a competitive and prosperous state by making the highest possible investment in the University of Nebraska.

WHEREAS The Innocents Society, which is the UNL Chancellor’s Honor Society, and a high-Satanic priesthood, holds hooded red-robed rituals in the largest Baal tower on the face of the earth, the Nebraska State Capitol Building, be it resolved that we will not be contributing this time in order to avoid condemnation to Hell.

Look at these sorry bastards www.unl.edu/innocent

Posted by Webb Cook @ 01/13/2003 09:50 PM EST

Posted by metis @ 01/13/2003 10:44 PM EST

I would like to mention that BUSHWATCH has something pretty good at their site. Also check out a company that goes by the name WINSTON PARTNERS. http://www.bushwatch.net/burns.htm

Posted by north wind @ 01/14/2003 12:25 AM EST

Got it, the company (Stratesec)discussed in the BUSHWATCH article has quite an interesting client list! The company site is not "working" on Google. Found this on LYCOS. Http://www.softwareresearcher.com/cgi-bin/contentdisplay.cgi?c=S796610725&o=t&u=Software%20researcher

Posted by north wind @ 01/14/2003 12:55 AM EST

I could not get a connection for the link about the liberty hour broadcast about 10 comments above this. Here is the link of the transcript, if anyone needs it; http://www.givemeliberty.org/NoRedress/WTPTV-01-07-03Transcript.htm

Posted by InnerWisdom @ 01/14/2003 01:42 PM EST

If you are guilty of using any of these,the Bush police will be in touch with you soon............ Bush the tyrant... Bush the war monger..Bush the oil stealer...Bush the dictator... Bush the fascist.Bush the terrible..... Bush the pirate,Bush the moron...Bush the madman.....Bush the arrogant...Bush the younger, Bush the taker of young lives...Bush the liar....Bush the traitor... Bush the conniver..Bush the wannabe king...Bush the control freak...Bush the taker of American jobs....Bush the Fuehrer...Bush the Imperialist...Bush the emperor...Bush the puppet,Bush the Bully....Bush the punisher... Bush the dry drunk...Bush the warlord....Bush the Chickenhawk...Bush the AWOL...Bush the terrible.....Bush the conqueror...Bush the blood thirsty...Bush the ass-kisser....Bush the deal maker...Bush the election stealer...Bush the never was....Bush the freedom Snatcher.. Bush the hated.....Bush the unforgiving.......Bush the know-it-all.....Bush the 'I don't have to answer to anyone''.......I know I forgot a few........Feel free to add to this list....

Posted by Ronn @ 01/14/2003 01:50 PM EST

Dont forget the Bush between my legs

Posted by sandman420 @ 01/14/2003 03:20 PM EST

Or more "sneak" masonic attacks. Shrubs proposal for promoting Green energy through religion........They tried that in Maine with interfaith power and light, I call it masonic power and light. Check out the following regarding emergency legislation....http://grandlodgefop/org/legislation/alert.html

Posted by north wind @ 01/14/2003 03:32 PM EST

The masonic Fraternal Order of Police link was mis-typed. Sorry. Keep an "all seeing eye" on this one. It's http:grandlodgefop.org/legislation/alert.html

Posted by north wind @ 01/14/2003 03:45 PM EST

Only 4 more days to the next "weapon of mass distraction"...

Wonder what could happen to derail the protest from the media -- any votes? Any other suggestions?

a) more anthrax (unlikely - already done for Congressional votes, save for '04 election cycle) http://www.voxnyc.com/articles(closed)/00000006.htm

b) "me-too" sniper (unlikely - reserved for public election cycles, save for '04) see sniper tips: http://www.voxnyc.com/articles(closed)/00000035.htm

c) another bogus dirty-bomber-type announcement (likely, used to block June 10th "UnAnswered Questions.ORG" news conference)

d) another dead politician (unlikely - reserved for public election cycles) http://www.voxnyc.com/archives/00000039.htm

e) another exploding nightclub (possible - an all-purpose event to increase fear and distract media) http://www.voxnyc.com/articles(closed)/00000033.htm

f) "racin" or bioterror "discovery" (possible - all-purpose, used to control doubters in the UK)

g) medium-size Iraqi skirmish, complete w. live video of exploding Iraqis (likely - the oil war needs to ratchet up anyway) http://www.voxnyc.com/articles(closed)/00000047.htm

h) Paki / India saber-rattle, nuke-threats (possible)

i) N.Korea saber-rattle, nuke-threats (likely - to derail talks, which are starting to go too well)

j) real dirty-bomber, rural area (unlikely - reserve for Vietnam-size protests, or '04 election)

k) public suicide on noon news (hasn't been done yet, and is sick and shocking enough to be used)

l) attempted assassination of a politician (tried and true)

Gosh ... With a Bush in the White House, you just never know what's going to pop up ! Stay tuned, boys and girls !

Posted by general ripper @ 01/14/2003 11:11 PM EST

Re: general ripper
I see Anthrax has popped up again in the news.Humm.
I wouldn't be suprised if some U.S.troops get attacked by the IDF (disquised as
Iraqis)to get the war rolling.
I see alot of the hospital ship on the mainstream - I wonder what that might mean.
Nothing would suprise me at this point,except mabey that rest of the American public waking up and realizing what's going on (doubt it).
I expect N.Korea will get thier 'hush money'soon.
Perhaps we'll get lucky and a few well placed generals will actually decide to protect and defend the consitution. I'd love nothing more than to have this crime family out of the way so we can all try to live in harmony for once.

Posted by Will @ 01/14/2003 11:32 PM EST

how about hmmmm maybe natural disaster nice 8.0 earthquake in say iraq or iran would work or maybe nuke near melt-down we haven't seen those in awhile!

Posted by an american forever @ 01/14/2003 11:43 PM EST

Maybe a "cold" spell in Indo China, Shrub and Halliburton will save the day with "energy relief". It was announced that oil reserves in the U.S. will remain low and prices high for the "long term". So much for the January thaw in the north east. Guess the price of real estate in this region (Maine)will "decrease" (Plumb Creeks Sellout). What a bargain for the Bush family and its associates. Thier own zip codes! (entire townships) ask the following: Media mogul John Malone: Hostile takeover king Robert Greenhill (Morgan Stanley/Travelers/Citigroup et al.) and of course Richard Brown (EDS). Maybe a Bush family member would like to invest in RE here. (hint, hint) I also get a kick about the IRS giving "clemency" to those who bank offshore (in specific locations only) if they turn themselves in. Better check out Greenhill and his offshore services. NW

Posted by north wind @ 01/15/2003 02:25 AM EST

general ripper

missed by couple hmmm numbers close but no cigar hahahaha
sorry really not funny.
but you weren't to far off!

Posted by an american forever @ 01/15/2003 04:05 PM EST

I was thinking whatever attack was going to happen would happend today 1/16/03. The day is not even close to being done yet. So we'll see.

Posted by creepers @ 01/16/2003 07:40 AM EST

http://www.bankindex.com/read.asp?ID=861
THE SECRET COVENANT. Full version

An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their
perception.

Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.

We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the
connection between us.

We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive.
Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring
suspicion upon ourselves. This will also prevent them from seeing
the changes as they occur.

We will always stand above the relative field of their experience
for we know the secrets of the absolute.

We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and
secrecy. Death will come to he who speaks.

We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while
pretending to do the opposite.

We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle
ways so they will never see what is happening.

We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in
food and water, also in the air.

They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.

The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will
promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will
feed them more poison.

The poisons will be absorbed trough their skin and mouths,
they will destroy their minds and reproductive systems.

From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will conceal
this information.

The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them,
in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear.

We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they
can see far.

We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images
and musical tones.

Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to
push our poisons.

They will see our products being used in film and
will grow accustomed to them and will never know
their true effect.

When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood
of their children and convince them its for their help.

We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will
target their children with what children love most, sweet
things.

When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals
that will kill their mind and steal their future.

When their ability to learn has been affected,
we will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other
diseases for which we will create yet more medicine.

We will render them docile and weak before us by our power.

They will grow depressed, slow and obese, and when they
come to us for help, we will give them more poison.

We will focus their attention toward money and material goods
so they many never connect with their inner self. We will distract
them with fornication, external pleasures and games so they may
never be one with the oneness of it all.

Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say.
If they refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology
into their lives. We will use fear as our weapon.

We will establish their governments and establish opposites within.
We will own both sides.

We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan.

They will perform the labor for us and we shall prosper from their toil.

Our families will never mix with theirs. Our blood must be pure
always, for it is the way.

We will make them kill each other when it suits us.

We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion.

We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think and how.

We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are guiding
themselves.

We will foment animosity between them through our factions.

When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by ridicule,
or death, whichever suits us best.

We will make them rip each other's hearts apart and kill their own children.

We will accomplish this by using hate as our ally, anger as our friend.

The hate will blind them totally, and never shall they see that from their
conflicts we emerge as their rulers. They will be busy killing each other.

They will bathe in their own blood and kill their neighbors for as long
as we see fit.

We will benefit greatly from this, for they will not see us, for they
cannot see us.

We will continue to prosper from their wars and their deaths.

We shall repeat this over and over until our ultimate goal is
accomplished.

We will continue to make them live in fear and anger
though images and sounds.

We will use all the tools we have to accomplish this.

The tools will be provided by their labor.

We will make them hate themselves and their neighbors.

We will always hide the divine truth from them, that we are all one.
This they must never know!

They must never know that color is an illusion, they must always
think they are not equal.

Drop by drop, drop by drop we will advance our goal.

We will take over their land, resources and wealth to exercise total
control over them.

We will deceive them into accepting laws that will steal the little
freedom they will have.

We will establish a money system that will imprison them forever,
keeping them and their children in debt.

When they shall ban together, we shall accuse them of crimes and present a
different story to the world for we shall own all the media.

We will use our media to control the flow of information and their sentiment
in our favor.

When they shall rise up against us we will crush them like insects, for
they are less than that.

They will be helpless to do anything for they will have no weapons.

We will recruit some of their own to carry out our plans, we will promise them
eternal life, but eternal life they will never have for they are not of us.

The recruits will be called "initiates" and will be indoctrinated to believe
false rites of passage to higher realms. Members of
these groups will think they are one with us never knowing the truth.
They must never learn this truth for they will turn against us.

For their work they will be rewarded with earthly things and great titles,
but never will they become immortal and join us, never will they receive
the light and travel the stars.

They will never reach the higher realms, for the killing of their own kind
will prevent passage to the realm of enlightenment. This they will never know.

The truth will be hidden in their face, so close they will not be able to focus
on it until its too late.

Oh yes, so grand the illusion of freedom will be, that they will never know they
are our slaves.

When all is in place, the reality we will have created for them will own them.
This reality will be their prison. They will live in self-delusion.

When our goal is accomplished a new era of domination will begin.

Their minds will be bound by their beliefs, the beliefs we have established
from time immemorial.

But if they ever find out they are our equal, we shall perish then. THIS THEY
MUST NEVER KNOW.

If they ever find out that together they can vanquish us, they will take action.

They must never, ever find out what we have done, for if they do, we shall
have no place to run, for it will be easy to see who we are once the veil has
fallen. Our actions will have revealed who we are and they will hunt us down
and no person shall give us shelter.

This is the secret covenant by which we shall live the rest of our present
and future lives, for this reality will transcend many generations and life
spans.

This covenant is sealed by blood, our blood. We, the ones who from
heaven to earth came.

This covenant must NEVER, EVER be known to exist. It must NEVER, EVER
be written or spoken of for if it is, the consciousness it will spawn will release
the fury of the PRIME CREATOR upon us and we shall be cast to the depths
from whence we came and remain there until the end time of infinity itself.

Posted by Ronn @ 01/16/2003 01:34 PM EST

Ronn is right on all accounts. (thanx Ronn). Here is a gem I picked up from Bush Watch ref: Ari Fleischer on Univ. of Michigan. Enjoy! Http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030115-5.html#3

Posted by north wind @ 01/16/2003 11:31 PM EST

What Really Did
Happen To Flight 93?
By Richard Wallace
US Editor The Mirror - UK
1-16-3

The unmarked military-style jet swooped down at high speed through the valley, twice circled the smouldering black scar where Flight 93 had careered into the ground just seconds earlier and then hurtled off over the horizon.

At least six eyewitnesses saw the mysterious aircraft on the morning of September 11 last year. But the US authorities deny it ever existed.

So when George Bush laid a wreath yesterday at the crash site in a remote valley outside Shanksville, Pennsylvania, he was one of only a handful of people who know what really happened to the 40 innocents and four hijackers aboard the doomed United Airlines Boeing 757-200.

Those unimaginable final seconds as passengers showed courageous defiance apparently wrestling for control of the aircraft have become one of the defining images of the tragedy.

And "Let's roll" - ringleader Todd Beamer's no-nonsense call to arms - became a defining battle cry in America's war on terror.

But of the four aircraft taken on September 11, the exact fate of Flight 93 after its two-hour journey is proving difficult for US officials to explain.

What was the white jet doing there and why won't they admit to its presence? Why did other witnesses see smoke and flames trailing from Flight 93 as it fell from the sky, indicating a possible explosion aboard?

Or - and this is proving to be the most uncomfortable question of all - in the moments before the airliner piled into the black, spongey earth at 575mph did an American fighter pilot have to do the unthinkable and shoot down a US civil airliner?

Susan Mcelwain, 51, who lives two miles from the site, knows what she saw - the white plane rocketed directly over her head.

"It came right over me, I reckon just 40 or 50ft above my mini-van," she recalled. "It was so low I ducked instinctively. It was travelling real fast, but hardly made any sound.

"Then it disappeared behind some trees. A few seconds later I heard this great explosion and saw this fireball rise up over the trees, so I figured the jet had crashed. The ground really shook. So I dialled 911 and told them what happened.

"I'd heard nothing about the other attacks and it was only when I got home and saw the TV that I realised it wasn't the white jet, but Flight 93.

I didn't think much more about it until the authorities started to say there had been no other plane. The plane I saw was heading right to the point where Flight 93 crashed and must have been there at the very moment it came down.

"There's no way I imagined this plane - it was so low it was virtually on top of me. It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look.

"It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side. I haven't found one like it on the internet. It definitely wasn't one of those executive jets. The FBI came and talked to me and said there was no plane around.

"Then they changed their story and tried to say it was a plane taking pictures of the crash 3,000ft up.

"But I saw it and it was there before the crash and it was 40ft above my head. They did not want my story - nobody here did."

Mrs Mcelwain, who looks after special needs children, is further convinced the whole truth has yet to come out because of a phone call she had within hours from the wife of an air force friend of the family.

"She said her husband had called her that morning and said 'I can't talk, but we've just shot a plane down,' " Susan said. "I presumed they meant Flight 93. I have no doubt those brave people on board tried to do something, but I don't believe what happened on the plane brought it down.

"If they shot it down, or something else happened, everyone, especially the victims' families, have a right to know."

Lee Purbaugh, 32, was the only person to see the last seconds of Flight 93 as it came down on former strip-mining land at precisely 10.06am - and he also saw the white jet.

He was working at the Rollock Inc. scrapyard on a ridge overlooking the point of impact, less than half a mile away. "I heard this real loud noise coming over my head," he told the Daily Mirror. "I looked up and it was Flight 93, barely 50ft above me. It was coming down in a 45 degree and rocking from side to side. Then the nose suddenly dipped and it just crashed into the ground. There was this big fireball and then a huge cloud of smoke."

But did he see another plane? "Yes, there was another plane," Lee said. "I didn't get a good look but it was white and it circled the area about twice and then it flew off over the horizon."

Tom Spinelli, 28, was working at India Lake Marina, a mile and a half away. "I saw the white plane," he said.

"It was flying around all over the place like it was looking for something. I saw it before and after the crash."

India Lake also contributes to the view there was an explosion on board before the Newark-San Francisco flight came down. Debris rained down on the lake - a curious feat if, as the US government insists, there was no mid-air explosion and the plane was intact until it hit the ground.

"It was mainly mail, bits of in-flight magazine and scraps of seat cloth," Tom said. "The authorities say it was blown here by the wind." But there was only a 10mph breeze and you were a mile and a half away? Tom raised his eyebrows, rolled his eyes and said: "Yeah, that's what they reckon."

Light debris was also found eight miles away in New Baltimore. A section of engine weighing a ton was located 2,000 yards - over a mile -from the crash site. Theorists point out a Sidewinder heat-seeking missile attacks the hottest part of aircraft - the engine.

The authorities say the impact bounced it there. But the few pieces of surviving fuselage, local coroner Wallace Miller told us, were "no bigger than a carrier bag".

Nearly all the passengers were reduced to charcoal on impact and the largest piece of human tissue found was a section of spine eight inches long.

CURIOUSLY, military officials insist there was never any pursuit of Flight 93, although they were informed that it was a suspected hijack at 9.16am, 50 minutes before the plane came down.

At 9.35am they assumed it was heading for Washington DC after it changed course in a 180 degree turn and three F-16s - top speed 1,800mph - now patrolling over the capital were told to "protect the White House at all costs".

An anonymous flight controller said on the day that an F-16 was "in hot pursuit" of Flight 93 - Washington to Shanksville is seven to 10 minutes flying time.

A few minutes before the crash Bill Wright, piloting a single-engine Piper, could see Flight 93 three miles away, but was suddenly told to turn away and land immediately without explanation.

At 9.58am a 911 call - the last mobile phone contact from Flight 93 - was made from one of the airliner's toilets by passenger Edward Felt.

Glenn Cramer, the emergency supervisor who answered it, said on the day: "He was very distraught. He said he believed the plane was going down.

"He did hear some sort of an explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane, but he didn't know where. And then we lost contact with him." Glenn Cramer has now been gagged by the FBI.

Also, according to sources, the last seconds of the cockpit voice recorder are the loud sounds of wind, hinting at a possible hole somewhere in the fuselage. What caused the smoke and explosion? Why the wind sounds?

The FBI's later explanation for the white jet was that a passing civilian Fairchild Falcon 20 jet was asked to descend from 34,000ft to 5,000ft some minutes after the crash to give co-ordinates for the site. The plane and pilot have never been produced or identified. Susan Mcelwain says a Falcon 20 was not the plane she saw.

FURTHER verification that some kind of military aircraft was operating in the area is scientifically irrefutable.

At 9.22am a sonic boom - caused by supersonic flight - was picked up by an earthquake monitoring station in southern Pennsylvania, 60 miles from Shanksville.

That Todd Beamer and others launched an assault on the hijackers there is no doubt. The brief extracts released from audio tapes indicate a fierce struggle going on at the cockpit door.

But nobody - official or otherwise - has categorically said the group got into the cockpit or that their actions led to the crash. Those final, agonising moments are mere presumption.

President Bush and his team have the whole story. So why aren't they telling the rest of us?

======================================================================

Andy - because they set up the scenario in the first place to a) Get the Unocal pipeline built in Afghanistan, leading to further US aggression in the central asian republics in years to come as US big oil mops up everything + other natural resources and b) Get the poppies grown again in Afghanistan, yep, the good ol' boys have their business up and running again and c) Set up an oil war in Iraq which will d) Destabilise other muslim govts., particularly Saudi Arabia, and may even allow the US to go in there too and e) Set up Isreal for a muslim backlash within and without it's borders to further the chaos in the middle east ... its a win win situation, probably the biggest WIN for the Bush and Blair Juntas being the opportunity to bring in draconian laws to restrict what few freedoms we ever thought we had in the first place as a result of their magic trick ohioney war on terrorism - it is quite obvious thatthe biggest terrorist on the planet is the USA with Blair's tongue stuck firmly up its arse --- 911 was another Pearl Harbour, Tonkin, Nagasaki and Hiroshima 3 days apart while the Japanese were desperately trying to surrender (and not allowed to - the Bombs were a message to Russia and others) ...

One day the truth will come out.

======================================================================

UA93: THE EVIDENCE

THE WITNESSES

At least SIX witnesses, including Susan Mcelwain saw a small military type plane flying around shortly BEFORE UA93 crashed. The FBI denies its existence

THE DEBRIS

The US Government insists the plane exploded on impact yet a one-ton section of the engine was found over a mile away and other light debris was found scattered over eight miles away

THE MOBILE CALL

Passenger Edward Felt made an emergency call from the plane. He spoke of an explosion and seeing some white smoke. The superviser who took the call has been gagged by the FBI

THE F-16s

UA93 was identified as a hijack at 9.16am. At 9.35am three F-16s were ordered to "protect the White House at all costs" when it turned towards the capital. At 10.06am it crashed at Shanksville, less than 10mins flying time from Washington

THE BLACK BOXS

Sources claim the last thing heard on the cockpit voice recorder is the sound of wind - suggesting the plane had been holed

THE SONIC BOOM

The FBI insists there was no military plane in the area but at 9.22am a sonic boom - caused by a supersonic jet - was picked up by an earthquake monitor in southern Pennsylvania, 60 miles away from Shanksville.

Posted by Andy @ 01/17/2003 08:10 AM EST

When the Worst Case Scenario Becomes the Likely Scenario
January 16, 2003

Recent information coming into our hands connective to the retaliation against us, has now convinced us that our most feared scenario is the most likely scenario.

What has made SenderBerl analyses stand out during the years we have been doing it? First, we have tended to be correct on analyses deemed unlikely to unravel as suggested. Second, is that we blend in both secular and biblical dynamics into our analytics and interpretations.

The main biblical interpretation allowed us to proffer many years ago that we were in the process of seeing a major shift of the paradigm of world power from the West to China (Asia). The United States has stood amazed at how quickly recently China has consolidated a vast network of global economic allies. The same stupid team that created Oslo for the Middle East authorized a prosperous China as the solution and path to its willingly becoming a player in world government, blindly overlooking the aspect that China might find unipolar world government contrary to its long term interests.

We knew for many years that China would not play along with the new world order agenda we were against. In December 1999, China made its position clear in the movie The Emperor and the Assassin. While the new world order agenda made it the military and economic power house it finds itself today, Clinton’s pursuit of unipolar world government was benign, while Bush’s is anything but. Thus, China knew that confrontation between it and the US was inevitable during his term in office.

China in 2002 made enormous headway with Germany and Russia both solid US allies with infrastructure safeguards installed by US interests. This has already upset the US, not totally confident that its controls in both countries are secure enough to compensate against the plotting of China. The US, no doubt, agreeing with our assessment of China’s involvement in escalating 9-11, had Bush go out twice to meet with Zemin, and both instances were no better than the third meeting in Crawford, where Jiang Zemin controlled the playing field over his younger opponent.

By the time the Crawford meeting was over, the parties knew that military conflict was inevitable. We knew it before the meeting started, when Jiang Zemin didn’t even bother to tell Bush that he would be late, leaving the President standing idly by on his porch waiting to greet Zemin. By then, axis of evil member North Korea made it evident that it would emerge as a player, prior to any launch against Iraq. Not only did North Korea’s involvement successfully tell the world, what we declared the first day, that the US was out primarily for Iraqi oil, but now, through government poodle and stooge Thomas Friedman of the NY Times, who has enough to answer for his stooging for Oslo, just yesterday admits for the Bush team that yes, we and others were right declaring from day one that the US does seek to seize and benefit from the capture of Iraqi oil!

By the time the stooge came out to say it, Bush moreover learned that the US tide for support has markedly turned against his war against Iraq. Moreover, many in Congress have a sense of dread over Bush’s dictatorial behavior, and the growing realization that all this came about because the Democrats through collaborator Gephardt wound up supporting Bush’s war policy. Without it, Bush may have never gotten to first base. For sure, Gephardt’s collaboration stifled open debate and discussion.

Moreover, the American public has come to recognize that the Bush administration has not in fact explained why Iraq not North Korea. The failure to get anyone to appear on cable to spew forth lies to the American people on an issue devoid of reason or logic, compelled stooge Friedman to admit to the truth of it for the Bush administration. To show his independence from a government leash, similar to Woodward making inane criticisms of Bush, his book mentor, Friedman says that the official reasons given by the government for a war against Iraq are crude lies. “Bush Lies” now supplements our position that “Bush Knew”.

Now, listen to this: Friedman writes: “ There is nothing illegitimate or immoral about the US being concerned that an evil, megalomanical dictator might acquire excessive influence over the natural resource that powers the world’s industrial base.”

Now pause. He is saying that this justifies war by Bush against Saddam. However, doesn’t the same perception and perspective apply to many nations viewpoint against Bush? Friedman pushing the NSS doctrine that the US can wage war against anyone it deems worthy of it, permitting seizure of assets of smaller and weaker nations, is allowed to do so; when done by anyone else, of course, it is seen for what it is: criminal. Thus, as we have long declared the NSS once formally issued on September 20, 2002, has driven all nations to the waiting arms of China. Even Russia, Germany, and perhaps even the US’s singular ally in the war against Iraq, England, fears that they may be next. After all, Bush has cast aside just about every obligation the US carried to other nations, as part and parcel of its moral outrage connective to the events of 9-11. Anyone may be next. Sadly added here, is our point, not seen, that the American people, have been themselves the clear and certain targets of the doctrine of the NSS, which seeks to put world domination and control into limited hands. Those limited hands will allow and even promote free elections, as long as the candidates are all pawns and poodles.

What we are about to see is an imperialistic plunder not seen since WWII. With Bush’s dictatorial bent, to the rest of the world that endured Hitler, Bush looks a lot like Hitler (a political leader in Germany was flogged for suggesting this very thought). The evidence of it is that even the EU has moved to China to offset its growing fears about the true parameters of Bush’s intent under the NSS. Now, since Bush is seeking control over large segments of the planet for oil and other critical resources, other nations not comfortable whether they themselves may face seizure of assets are looking to China as best situated to stop the US from becoming, let’s say, overly ambitious. In our SenderBerl 2002 Photo Album, www.senderberl.com/china/palbum2.htm we highlight two photos of Jiang Zemin with the Iranian President Mohammed Khatami, who called on China to play “the leading role” in opposing the US war plans in the Persian Gulf.

Thus, the day Bush declared the axis of evil, he confirmed intent to militarily resolve all nations within the umbrella of the term. Normally, the US moves out at its own pace, and attacks whom it pleases, when it pleases, under its casually announced time plan. However, we warned the government that this would no longer be the case. Moreover, it was not dealing with its usually weak no resistance reality where the outcome was sure and certain. Here Bush warmed up with Afghanistan. This was similar to taking the military to the amusement park. Next, of course, is Iraq. President Bush thought that it would have all been over in August, but he discovered that the world to his amazement understood his entire agenda and united against him. His reaction was not to rethink his plans, but rather, since they know it, I’ll make my plans open, known and formal: on September 20, 2002, releasing the National Security Strategy (NSS).

Thus, our perception of the US taking out Iraq, and then because of the expected attack on Israel, Syria and possibly Iran, changed. Not only did the US discover that Syria and Iran had made protection packs with China, it discovered that there was a high level mole, and Bush faced a compliant Saddam Hussein forcing Bush to buy off Gephardt, and grovel to the Congress and the UN for support he didn’t even want in the first place. The cover for it all was that he was chastised for declaring that the US would proceed under a doctrine of unilateralism when even his own support and base only condoned multilateralism. This made Colin Powell believe that the President was coming around to his way of looking at things.

Then President Bush got a double barrel from North Korea and Zemin in late October 2002. To us, the third barrel was, as we long previously predicted, that Jiang Zemin would continue in de facto power, he being best situated to lead the country in a state of active war. It became apparent since then, that North Korea stands ready to launch an assault against all US troops in South Korea. Bush was advised to take out the troops but now he finds that he cannot do so without looking lame and showing that his protection obligations to Japan and other Asian allies mean nothing. The very fact that he even considered that option now has pushed Japan to build nuclear weapons, seeing it as a necessity. This sad result, to our minds, will now occasion China to have North Korea also attack Japan. Bush wants Japan remilitarized to contain China. Since Bush has enlisted this step by Japan, it has made Japan an open target for North Korea when Bush launches against Iraq. Moreover, the very fact that South Korea joined Japan in sensing if not knowing that Bush is willing to abandon them, approving Japan’s remilitarization, South Korea might wind up having to make accommodations to North Korea and not engage them when North Korea moves against US troops and Japan.

China is in control of the timetable, not Bush, if North Korea launches just prior to Bush’s launch against Iraq. Zemin and Bush dislike each other as we highlighted in analyzing the Crawford meeting. The conclusion to this major analysis reverts back to our combining biblical interpretations into the secular geopolitical analysis. Here, the US and Israel are destined to lose for the reasons we long explained: success by the new world order agenda which is not only ultimately anti-American, but anti-G-d, precludes the intervention this country received in WWII when the result but for subtleties could have ended in favor of the German axis. There is a historic shift in the paradigm of power ahead: the results for you and all of us are horrific, especially for our children and theirs. If this doesn’t explain to you why we deemed it worthy to spend seven years doing what we have done, and getting attacked for it just when we were winding up, to reflect the stupidity of the men brainwashing themselves to believing that they know what they are doing, then you have wasted your time with us. Since we know you feel anything but that, then you will recognize that Bush increasing the troops the other day to 350,000 is preparing for a dual front conflict, not only Iraq but North Korea (if not China) as well. Bush is saying if China wants to push up the timetable, he has no objection to it. Let’s roll and get it over with. In the meantime, you don’t see that much of him, because everyone needs to focus on what may prove to lead or become Armageddon, and moreover, he has to make sure that not too many in Washington rush into his bunker. Perhaps those who get closed out, believing they would be getting in, will better recognize how others look upon our President throughout the world.

Joseph Ehrlich
Sender, Berl & Sons Inc.
January 16, 2003

PS. Now that Japan is remilitarizing itself, creating nuclear bombs and weapons, with the blessings of the US, and in view of Aegis warships in the Asian theater, there is no doubt in our mind, if there was any before, that North Korea, will attack militarily, when Jiang Zemin receives first formal word that Bush will launch against Iraq. Bush would be wise to wait even longer to attack Iraq to keep North Korea at bay until Japan arms itself, which will not take long, Japan having to forego its policy since WWII to avoid such dangerous militarization of its country. However, with all those troops launched into the various theaters (and you will see some of them move toward Asia), Bush wants to draw his six-shooter and see who’s left standing. Of course, he will be watching from the safety of his bunker while you and the world will have to risk your lives to await the results.

PPS. In Recapturing America, we expressed that Japan was a country detested by the Bush family. Now, Bush will have no qualms in seeing Japan get attacked by North Korea, establishing the next level of moral outrage Bush has been seeking since 9-11.

Attachment
What Each Key Player Would Prefer
Saudi Arabia: Exile of Saddam to preclude US attack, residence and seizure of the Iraqi oil asset.

China: Exile of Saddam with new leaderships under its control and influence.

Comment: If Bush is denied the oil asset he cannot finance or platform his NSS strategy for the Middle East.

Conclusion: Exile is unlikely because if Bush must approve it, he will only approve one China will not.

Israel: US victory with it not being victimized by the US.

US: Coup against Saddam with US troops moving in to protect the oil fields, putting in its people in the new infrastructure, giving it a base and presence for operations to carry forth the NSS agenda against Syria and Iran.

North Korea: War where it resolves conflict with South Korea, and conquers Japan to the approval of its mentor, China.

SenderBerl: We prefer a religious resolution with the US and Israel recognizing that they must return as nations to the religious tenets and precepts historically attuned to each respective state.

END

Posted by Andy @ 01/17/2003 08:26 AM EST

http://home.earthlink.net/~rdmadden/webdocs/You_Are_a_Criminal.html
don't breath till you pay you tax!

Posted by an american forever @ 01/17/2003 02:14 PM EST

Calling for an international sick-out :

http://onlinejournal.com/Commentary/Weinstein011603/weinstein011603.html

Posted by Dave @ 01/17/2003 10:52 PM EST

Ronn, a very good analogy of the situation of how it has been for decades and it reads very similarly to the contents of the 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion'. Yes folks the protocols regardless of their origin contain the complete mechanism for the domination of the world, if not, then in my opinion it is the greatest most ingenius forgery ever devised(Makiavelli would have been impressed). Many have tried to link the document with anti-semitism and so forth and it is easy to see why, but bear in mind that let not you be fooled by this racial strategy (as Hitler was) designed to make you question its validity and worth. The 'plan' i feel has always been dressed in ways to render it radical and extremist to the extent that anyone reading it
and claiming its relevence is considered a racist neo nazi (which i'm not). I for one do not buy into this self defeating racial merry-go-round, the true origins of this document and those who had it commissioned is not the issue we should be concerned with here but it is the content that we should look to. The content, however
the establishment like to dress it is both strangely sinister and eerily real and lest not forget that
so far the racial issues have by far outweighed the issues of its content! The protocols must be read with an open mind and without the mass media spin that has always surrounded them, if you can achieve this then you will surely see that the diabolical plan has been here a lot longer than you have....Remember this is not a Jewish document, Zionist perhaps, but most definitely not Jewish.

Posted by The Roach @ 01/18/2003 10:32 AM EST

I see it only took a little over a year for all you idiots to forget what happened to this great country. Everyone was behind what we did after September 11th. Do you actually think they are going to sto there if we do not do something about it now. Or do you think we should wait for them to do something even worse.

Posted by Ryan Kirkwood @ 01/18/2003 07:21 PM EST

I have enjoyed the medias coverage of the "warheads" found in certain "locations" i n other "countries" . The U.N. team is shown without protective clothing (not even gloves)examining the "equipment". Most firefighters and law enforcement would not handle such "equipment" without protective equipment. To do so would require Hazardous Material Awareness, and HAZARDOUS MATERIALS OPERATIONS! I would like the individuls shown to provide where they got their training and most importantly, who [news photogs] took the video/pix and what were they wearing?. NW

Posted by north wind @ 01/19/2003 01:32 AM EST

Why, the insane actions of Shrub and his friends will bring about worldwide bloodshed. It is time to root him out, before we are all rooted out for oil and profit.

Note this date: it might become important in the future.
3/14/2003

Posted by defireman @ 03/13/2003 10:07 PM EST

Why, the insane actions of Shrub and his friends will bring about worldwide bloodshed. It is time to root him out, before we are all rooted out for oil and profit.

Note this date: it might become important in the future.
3/14/2003

Posted by defireman @ 03/13/2003 10:08 PM EST

Why, the insane actions of Shrub and his friends will bring about worldwide bloodshed. It is time to root him out, before we are all rooted out for oil and profit.

Note this date: it might become important in the future.
3/14/2003

Posted by saver of the sane @ 03/13/2003 10:10 PM EST

Why, the insane actions of Shrub and his friends will bring about worldwide bloodshed. It is time to root him out, before we are all rooted out for oil and profit.

Note this date: it might become important in the future.
3/14/2003

Posted by saver of the sane @ 03/13/2003 10:10 PM EST

Are you back?

Posted by cutz @ 03/14/2003 02:42 AM EST

Google and type in "Operation Ringwind"

Posted by David Howard @ 03/15/2003 09:13 AM EST

Welcome Back! However, you still won't take the advice about 'losing' the 'raised' fist thingy *sigh*.....next thing ya know, it'll be 'fuck this, fuck that....'

Posted by Suzette @ 03/17/2003 02:09 AM EST

Welcome back Vox! I thought you was a goner

Posted by Lo @ 03/18/2003 07:49 AM EST

Greetings!!
Glad you are back! thought maybe you were rubbed out. I read a brief story on the web that you were in hiding. All the power to you bro. I have to say i am as happy as a pig in shit that the canadian government didn't sent our troops to Iraq, even though our politics are not any less corupt but it does tell you something when Canada of all countrys did not support the oil liberation in Iraq. Canada has mostly allways been along side the US when such things happen and now the US government is crying foul and complaining that we don't support them and all this bullshit when we have troops in Afganistan and ships in the Arabian Sea along side the US. Canada has huge oil deposits are we next on the chopping block? all I can say is if it ever came to that we may not win a war with the US but life would be very hard for them to control the common folk here that love canada, and it would be the same if another country invaded the USA I'm sure most americans would die to protect their own soil than live under another flag.
Time is ticking away i'm just waiting for all hell to bust loose in Iraq and hope your troops make it home in one peice and many of them have not made it. They are doing what they are told and not allowed to question what they do no matter what scum bag is in control of the country, so don't blame the soldier. Anyway you are back and thats a good thing now i can get back to some good reading and a fresh point of view instead of zionist main streem media glorifying the war and Israel.
cheers buddy!!

Posted by Canadian Nationalist @ 03/26/2003 03:12 PM EST

it is amazing to me how many(MANY) people have no idea as to what is going on in Amerika today;in fact if you try to describe or explain some of the lies,deceit,theft,fascism,etc. people will actually ignore and label you(me) as a conspiracy theorist wacko-however, I had the "priveledge" of growing up with and going to school with the kids whose parents are conducting this raid on Amerika...so I think I can say firsthand it is not conspiracy it is DESIGN.My pre-prep school, EAGLEBROOK,the headmaster(OLIVER STUART CHASE)would begin each year with a speech informing these eleven and twelve year olds of the fact that we had a HUGE responsibility in that we would be entrusted one day with the CONTROL and OWNERSHIP of the planet EARTH(his words, not mine). I am amazed there is not much alternative news reporting on the MAN BEHIND BUSH and subsequently the FAMILY behind the BUSHS' for the last 90 years or so- FARISH- who is the Ambassador to Great Britain, the real KING-Mr. Farish(Standard Oil)I went to school with the children, one of the Farish's was my best friend growing up...I remember about nine years ago he was telling me that his TRUST and the entire family TRUST was being moved off-shore in preparation(for what I don't know)to Bermuda...there is so much going on and in reality the people conducting the hostile takeover, laugh at those who scream, "conspiracy" because really it's just business, a normal progression of capatalism and as far as they are concerned that is it. It is not dark or nefarious it is just savvy and a right, hard earned. I am not sure how to combat this takeover but for one thing I am a fan of VOXFUX and I hope this webpage makes an impact. I am working on creating a link page of which I will include this site(my webpage www.williammcnamara.com gets between six and ten thousand hits a day)even though it may have a deleterious effect on my career( some of which I am already experiencing from past "deviation"). My immediate fear and cause for alarm is the President's seemingly extended evacuation of Wash. DC to Crawford Tx. coinciding with Tom Ridge and FBI's new WARNING of eminent threat and danger of an Al Qaida attack.

Posted by william mcnamara @ 08/10/2003 01:39 PM EST

Posted by william mcnamara @ 08/10/2003 01:40 PM EST

fcfd

Posted by ckm @ 01/02/2004 05:12 AM EST

Where the fuck is Voxfux???

Posted by concerned @ 02/13/2004 12:02 AM EST

WE ARE AT THE TURNING POINT,
THE WORLD OUR FATHERS KNEW AND THEIR FATHERS IS ALMOST LOST.
THE GREED THIS GOP ADMIN. HAS FOSTERED IS NOT ONLY DIVIDING US,
ITS KILLING A WAY OF LIFE.WHEN ALL THE JOBS ARE OVER SEAS WHO WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO BUY THE PRODUCTS. THE WAY THAT THEY LIE.
LIKE WE WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS.
WE AS AMERICANS ARE PAYING FOR WEAPONS FOR OUR CHILDREN TO USE TO GIVE FREEDOMS TO COUNTRIES THAT WE NO LONGER HAVE. THE BUSH ADMIN WANTS THE IRAQ PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR THEIR LEADER. SOMETHING WE CAN NOT DO AND IT COUNT. HOW CAN YOU VOTE SOMEONE OUT YOU DID NOT VOTE IN.
REMEMBER HOW THE SOAP STARS USED TO GET SPIT ON AT STORES BY WOMEN WHO BELIEVED THAT THE ACTRESS WAS THE PERSON SHE PLAYED? WHEN M. DOUGLAS UP ON THE SILVER SCREEN LARGER THAN LIFE AND SCREAMED GREED IS GOOD. THE GOP WAS WAITING IN THE WINGS. AND THEY ARE MAKEING SLAVES OUT OF EACH AND EVERYONE OF US. MOORE'S MOVIE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.
WHEN BUSH SAYS NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND, WHAT HE WAS REALLY SAYING IS NO CHILD WILL EXCELL THEREFORE NO CHILD WILL BE LEFT BEHIND. THE TEST ARE SO HARD FOR THE KIDS THAT THE TEACHERS HELP THE KIDS CHEAT NOW.
ONE BY ONE OUR FREEDOMS AND THE LACK OF TRUTH IS CALL SECURITY.
THE BORDERS ARE STILL OPEN , I LIVE IN TEXAS AND THE BORDERS HAVE NOT CHANGED.BACK ROADS ARE OPEN NO PROBLEM. BUT THATS NOTHING DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY HARBORS AMERICA HAS. NO WAY CAN THEY BE PROTECTED.
THE 9/11 FAILURE BY THE CIA, FBI, HAS NOT CHANGED. THE POOR PEOPLE DOWN IN THE PIT WERE NOT TOLD OF THE POSION FROM THE PLANES ARE BUILDING MATERAIL. THEY WILL SUFFER BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT TOLD.
BUSH USES THE THREAT SYSTEM, THE THREAT OF ATTACK TO KEEP ALL IN LINE. THE COLOR CODE FOR WARNING THE PEOPLE? WHAT THE HELL GOOD DOES IT DO? WHAT DO THEY EXPECT US TO DO?
IF THERE IS NOT A CHANGE THE HAVE'S WILL FIND THE HAVE NOTS DESPERATE FOR A CHANGE.
THE CORP. THIEVES THINK WE ARE STUPID. ANYTHING THEY SAY WE WILL BELIEVE. BECAUSE THEY (THE GOVERMENT SAY IT).
THE TIMES ARE A CHANGEING!
THE REASON NO ONE OF AUTHORITY HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE A JUDGE ON THE TORTURE IS THAT THEY
SET UP THE AUTHORITY OFF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND SO NO ONE COULD TAKE THE BLAME OVER A CERTAIN RANK.
AND TO TREAT OUR ARMED FORCES THAT WAY IS A CRIME, JUST AS MUCH A CRIME AS STARTING A WAR WITH A LIE. IF BUSH COULD NOT POINT THE FINGER OF BLAME TO SOMEONE ELSE,
HE WOULD SIMPLY LIE AGAIN.
MANY FEEL AS I DO FED UP WITH THE CORP. LIES THE GOVERNMENTS LIES. AND LIKE IT OR NOT IF THIS DOESN'T STOP WE WILL SEE A CIVIL WAR IN AMERICA. BECAUSE THE RICH POMPUS SEEM TO THING THAT THEY ARE BETTER THAN THE REST OF US. AND IF YOU LET THEM BELIEVE THAT THEN SHAME ON YOU. YOU ARE HELPING THEM IN THERE CAUSE. AND YOUR KIDS WILL HAVE TO FIGHT THE NEXT WAR FOR THEIR PROFITS. OR FOR THE COUNTRY TO RETURN TO ENJOYING LIFE AND LETTING THE OTHER FELLOW HAVE SOME ELBOW ROOM.
ARE THE RICH BETTER THAN YOU OR YOUR CHILDREN?
HOW MANY WARS DO YOU THINK AMERICA CAN FIGHT AND WIN AT ONE TIME? THE WAR ON TERRORIST, THE WAR ON DRUGS, THE WAR ON HEALTH.
WHERE DOES IT END?
OUR PRESIDENT IS GOING ALL OVER THE WORLD TRYING TO DIG HIMSELF OUT OF A HOLE. THEN TELLING PEOPLE WHAT TO DO HOW TO DO IT. NO ONE MADE HIM LEADER OF THE WORLD.
IT IS A SAD TIME IN OUR HISTORY.
AND AT ALL COST IF YOU CAN AVOID YAHOO AND SBC LIKE THE PLAGUE.ANOTHER CORP. TYPE.

Posted by MYSTIC @ 06/30/2004 04:06 PM EST

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