10/26/2003 Entry: "BUSH THE ENEMY OF HUMANITY - by voxfux"



BUSH - THE ENEMY OF HUMANITY
THE MOST HATED MAN EVER - MUST GO
by voxfux

Bush - Enemy of the World


The message is loud and clear, to all nations of the earth, from George W. Bush - Get your weapons ready, aim them all at American people, American soldiers, American interests and America herself. Because we're coming to get you - all of you.

Know this - That this human garbage, George W. Bush and his criminal industrial cartel ONLY cash in when Americans get killed, they NEVER make money when there is no Americans being killed in war. NEVER!

AMERICAN DEATH = $$$$ for BUSH

So American death it is! And American death it is going to continue to be, so long as nothing is done to remove this cancer on America, this profiteer in the White House. Bush and his criminal military, industrial and energy cartels which buttress his murderous regime want Americans to get killed. That's what they are setting us up for. That is what they do.

That, and loot the US treasury. They have not only successfully looted the massive surplus in the treasury, they have looted your children's treasury and your grandchildren's treasury. That's what they do, that's all they ever intended to do. They are treasury pirates - and murderers. Why the fuck do you think that the Skull and Crossbones is their family crest?

BECAUSE THEY ARE PIRATES. Treasury pirates and looters and murderers. They thought that by looting enough money from the US treasury and giving it to their buddies in the defense establishment and creating an atmosphere of military intimidation and a general police state environment that they could stave off any real challenge to their rule. And with their successful assassination of Senator Paul Wellstone and his family still lurking on every opposition Senator's mind they have sent a chill on the American body politic - watch out, this is not the democracy you are used to. It's a different game since the Bush criminal cartel seized power.

And they have no intention of ever relinquishing power again. And with all this looted money plus the 87 billion more they have just looted form your future (with the help of obese Republican Congressman, Senators and the media) they may never have to relinquish control ever again.

Perpetual war, perpetual Republican control.

The deal with that 87 billion is as follows: The corporations who receive that money know the protocol. The protocol is that they simply are beholding to Bush and are expected to redirect at least one percent of that money back to Bush. Key employees in those defense and intelligence corporations will be given bonus money and that bonus money is to be earmarked for deposit into the Bush campaign war chest. That's how it's done folks. It's simple. It's easy. It's not written down - so don't ask to see a smoking-gun memo or email of this protocol because you will not find one. It is the shadow government at work. It's a simple game. It is done with a handshake and a nod.

The game is - You are FORCED to pay THEIR tax. and then when all of YOUR money is in THEIR treasury, they loot all of YOUR money (defense procurement process) to buy weapons from THEIR own companies. It's easy to do because the checks and balances that are normally found in a democracy no longer exist since the Bush crime cartel snuffed out Senator Paul Wellstone and seized tripartite control of the American government and transformed it into the American death machine that it is these dark days. It's easy for Bush to play this game because there is a majority of these Republican pigs feeding off the trough of the American treasury in both the Senate and the House. The Republicans gave and will continue to give Bush "carte blanche" to loot an aparantly infinite amount of money from US taxpayers to divert to his dads buddies in the defense industry. Unless we get rid of the Republican majorities in the House and Senate this feeding frenzy, this utter siphoning of money from US workers, will never end.

But with those new and improved republican manufactured ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES there is ZERO chance that you will ever be able to vote out these Republican bastards. These machines are designed to install Republicans wherever and whenever necessary. And you cannot audit them because they are designed to not allow auditing and you cannot examine the electronics or software because the Republicans who designed them are citing the primacy of their "Trade Secret" over that of democracy. And Republican Judges will back up the trade secret argument and so democracy is imperiled. Expect waves of mysterious unexplainable suprise Republican victories in key districts to be the order of the day.

So those who argue that we need to keep our guns ready may be more correct than you would like to believe because, people, it's starting to appear that, short of bloody revolution, there is no way out of this one.

Think about this now - Just one tenth of one percent of the 87 billion redirected to the Bush campaign war chest is 87 million! But a whole 1 percent is a whopping 870 million. (which is ten time greater than any sum ever raised for a political campaign) And while the Bushes would never allow 870 Million to appear on Federal Election Commission ledgers (because the criminality would be too obvious to cover) they know how to turn that money into "soft" money. And the soft unaccountable money will flow like water in the days leading up to November 2004 and Bush will steal the election once again. Absolutely positively Bush will be declared the winner by the media and or the supreme court in 2004 - Absolutely positively.

Unless he gets caught with his alleged homosexual college buddy in an uncompromising position or unless he gets caught with his dick in some interns mouth there is just no possible way a Democrat can remove him from office. And the American people are so beaten now and are so entirely disenfranchised that even if he did get caught in the worst thing a president can now be involved with - a sexual scandal, it still wouldn't matter. (If you know anything about the Bushes you will know that THEY WILL NEVER GET CAUGHT IN SEXUAL SCANDALS. Quite possibly because they don't even have such things.) But in the slim chance that he did get caught there is nothing the American people can do about it. Their votes don't count because Republican voting machines do the counting. And a Republican judiciary assures that accountability and audibility are out of the question.

Without a doubt - an OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICANS HATE BUSH AND WANT HIM REMOVED but since the mechanisms of elections and media are controlled by the Bush group it simply doesn't matter. Americans will be told that they overwhelmingly support Bush and that is that.

For it is the whores in the media who are going to be getting that campaign money come election time - it's easy to predict what they are going to be doing - they are going to be smoking on Bushes shaft right down to the balls - or their filthy rich media bosses will fire them summarily. Because if you are a journalist and your boss just received 20 or 30 million dollars from the Bush war chest (plus several million under the table) you know, you just feel it, that you better not tread on Bush toes or you'll be looking for another job fast. Money talks and criticism of Bush, walks. That's how it works people. That's reality. That's what Bush has transformed America into. It's a pig sty. It's a lie.

Either way, the solid 87 million plus the several hundred million in invisible unaccountable money alone is orders of magnitude higher then what any of these Democratic pussies could ever hope to raise no matter how much industrialist dick they smoke. (Kucinich excluded) The problem is that Kucinich is in dire need of a makeover (ears pinned, new hairdo, and some beef on his frame) but it's just not going to happen in time. It's too bad, he seems like a great guy but the Bush money will tear him apart.

And so we are witnessing the biggest fucking of the American people in this country's history. Americans are getting it hard and the fucking will never stop until Bush and anyone related to Bush is removed from office.

Bush and his team of pigs are replacing our formerly great and prosperous nation with a televisual simulation, suitable enough for the sheep, he thinks we are. And unless we do something to remove this cancer soon, the sheep will starve to death, I promise you this.

Bushes message to American's is "Let them eat television." Bushes message to the world it is "Let them eat bullets."
It would be the most divine and perfect justice if this filth got a taste of his own medicine.

voxfux

Viewer Commentary: 139 comments


babylon must die!! so we may ALL live in peace.

Posted by zaparley @ 10/26/2003 02:36 PM EST


Sounds like Vox is back! The truth hurts.

Posted by JB @ 10/26/2003 02:44 PM EST


Excellent article, Vox. What do you think of Michael Ruppert's thoughts (http://www.copvcia.com) - that Bush will go, but that the people behind Bush will still get their way (Patriot Act, war in Iraq, currency devaluation, etc.) by using the democrats.

The democrats and republicans seem to be two heads on the same snake. Why aren't the democrats fighting these ludicrous voting machines and why are they all pro war?

Check out Barry and the Boys - both the democrats and republics seem to have been involved in bringing cocaine into Mena Arkansas and shipping out weapons:

http://www.barryandtheboys.com/

I fear Bush is going to quit or get impeached and a democrat will get in that will smile nicely as he implements the same damn policies. We need real change, not the bouncing between one slimeball party and the other.

People were all relieved when Bush senior was replaced by Clinton, yet Clinton attacked all kinds of countries without UN support and paved the way for the war in Afghanistan (planned far in advance of 911).

Why is the arms industry funding the Diebold voting machine lobby? Why would Diebold fight adding printers to the machines - wouldn't they make more money by selling printers? The country has become a banana republic dictatorship.

CNN = Pravda.

I'm encouraged that they are fighting these sites and trying to bring them down - it means they fear them. The truth is getting out and the sheeple are waking up. Why do you think the Matrix is so popular - the sheeple are starting to realise they are being lied to.

When Rush Windbag turns out to be a junky and Johnny comes home in a body bag and his name doesn't show up on the CNN casualty list and when the TV says the economy is rocking when everyone is unemployed then even the most ardent pro Bush supporters start to wonder about the truth.

America is becoming the most hated and feared country in the world and the biggest threat to world peace. I believe that the shadow government that put Bush in power is setting America up for an economic collapse to achieve a world fiat currency - it could be ugly. They must have known we couldn't win a war in Iraq.

Posted by sammy @ 10/26/2003 03:10 PM EST


When the people find out that Bush was behind 911 to gut the constitution and set the stage for perpetual war, they will want his treasonous ass. Good thing he supports the death penalty - you know what the punishment for treason is!

Posted by sammy @ 10/26/2003 03:22 PM EST


Beyond Bush:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/102003_beyond_bush_2.html

Posted by sammy @ 10/26/2003 03:38 PM EST


Regarding the murdered Sen. Wellstone and others aboard his plane, there were many motives to cause his death 11 days before the high stakes Congressional elections which saw the Senate go Republican and completely submit to Bush. Wellstone opposed the Iraq war, the Patriot Act, and was an outspoken critic of Bush policies. But the fait of the Wellstone Ammendment to the Homeland Security Bill provides the strongest motive of all for his murder by the military-industrial-intelligence-complex cabal that Eisenhower warned us about half a century ago.

Wellstone sought to ban tax-free offshore companies from participating in the multi-billion dollars of defense contracts. While the loss of profits to these companies would have been enormous, THE LOSS TO THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES WHO TRADITIONALLY DEPEND ON THESE UNNACOUNTABLE OFF SHORE COMPANIES FOR EVERY CONCEIVABLE TYPE OF CLANDESTINE ACTIVITY OUTSIDE OF US LAW WAS THE SINGLE GREATEST THREAT WELLSTONE POSED TO THE ESTABLISHMENT. No doubt such companies are an integral part of the fascist cabal threatening us today, figurheaded by GWBush, whose real job is reading teleprompters on their behalf.

"That is why last summer my colleague, Senator Paul Wellstone, had amended the 2002 Defense appropriations bill to bar such corporate tax dodgers from being awarded Government defense contracts. Then he successfully had amended the homeland security bill to bar those companies from getting contracts with the new Department of Homeland Security. Both of those amendments passed the Senate seemingly unanimously on voice votes.

However, after the November election, and after Paul Wellstone's tragic death, the final version of the homeland security bill gutted the Wellstone amendment. Senator Wellstone's amendment, which he crafted with the cosponsorship of the distinguished Senator from Nevada, Mr. Reid, provided a narrow exception to this prohibition. That was if the President of the United States certified to Congress that it would be necessary for our national security.

When the bill came back this provision was gutted and the substitution made known to those who had to vote on it that day. They stuck in language that would allow the Secretary of Homeland Security to grant waivers for national security or economic benefits. Just about any kind of economic benefit whatever could be waived and argued by the Secretary: preventing loss of Government, preventing the Government from incurring any additional costs, anything and everything that you could contrive, you could avoid if you could pay a high-priced Washington lobbyist $1,000 an hour or more, euphemistically called government relations. No doubt those waivers would be granted and the legacy of my colleague, Senator Paul Wellstone, would be obliterated by waves of waivers, which is why we need more Paul Wellstones in Washington."
Floor Statement of Senator Mark Dayton
On the Wellstone Corporate Patriotism Bill
January 21, 2003
http://dayton.senate.gov/~dayton/releases/2003/01/2003129A21.html

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/26/2003 05:34 PM EST


Regarding the murder of Sen. Wellstone and others aboard his plane, there were many motives to cause his death 11 days before the high stakes Congressional elections which saw the Senate go Republican and completely submit to Bush. Wellstone opposed the Iraq war, the Patriot Act, and was an outspoken critic of Bush policies. But the fait of the Wellstone Amendment to the Homeland Security Bill provides the strongest motive of all for his murder by the military-industrial-complex cabal that Eisenhower warned us about almost half a century ago.

Wellstone sought to ban tax-free offshore companies from participating in the multi-billion dollars of defense contracts. While the loss of profits to these companies would have been enormous, THE LOSS TO THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES WHO TRADITIONALLY DEPEND ON THESE UNACCOUNTABLE OFF SHORE COMPANIES FOR EVERY CONCEIVABLE TYPE OF CLANDESTINE ACTIVITY OUTSIDE OF US LAW WAS THE SINGLE GREATEST THREAT WELLSTONE POSED TO THE ESTABLISHMENT. No doubt such companies are an integral part of the same fascist cabal threatening us today, figurheaded by GWBush, whose real job is reading teleprompters on their behalf.

"That is why last summer my colleague, Senator Paul Wellstone, had amended the 2002 Defense appropriations bill to bar such corporate tax dodgers from being awarded Government defense contracts. Then he successfully had amended the homeland security bill to bar those companies from getting contracts with the new Department of Homeland Security. Both of those amendments passed the Senate seemingly unanimously on voice votes.

However, after the November election, and after Paul Wellstone's tragic death, the final version of the homeland security bill gutted the Wellstone amendment. Senator Wellstone's amendment, which he crafted with the cosponsorship of the distinguished Senator from Nevada, Mr. Reid, provided a narrow exception to this prohibition. That was if the President of the United States certified to Congress that it would be necessary for our national security.

When the bill came back this provision was gutted and the substitution made known to those who had to vote on it that day. They stuck in language that would allow the Secretary of Homeland Security to grant waivers for national security or economic benefits. Just about any kind of economic benefit whatever could be waived and argued by the Secretary: preventing loss of Government, preventing the Government from incurring any additional costs, anything and everything that you could contrive, you could avoid if you could pay a high-priced Washington lobbyist $1,000 an hour or more, euphemistically called government relations. No doubt those waivers would be granted and the legacy of my colleague, Senator Paul Wellstone, would be obliterated by waves of waivers, which is why we need more Paul Wellstones in Washington."
Floor Statement of Senator Mark Dayton
On the Wellstone Corporate Patriotism Bill
January 21, 2003
http://dayton.senate.gov/~dayton/releases/2003/01/2003129A21.html

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/26/2003 06:11 PM EST


You only get the government,that you deserve!!!

Posted by Boris @ 10/26/2003 08:43 PM EST


Elections have been fixed since the Kennedy assassination.

http://www.votescam.com

Posted by fixed @ 10/26/2003 08:54 PM EST


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..immortal technique...revolutionary volume 2..yeah..broadcasting live from harlem NY..let the truth be known...

..you better watch what the fuck flys outta ya mouth..or imma hijack a plane and fly it into ya house..burn your apartment with your family tied to the couch..and slit your throats so when you scream only blood comes out..i doubt that there could be a more wicked emcee..cause AIDS infected child molesters arent sicker than me..i see the world for what it is beyond the white and the black..the way the government downplays historical facts..cause the United States sponsered the rise of the third reich..just like the CIA trained terrorist how to fight..build bombs and sneak box cutters onto a flight..when i was a child the devil himself brought me a mic..but i refused to offer cause god sent me to strike..with skills unused like fallopian tubes of a dike..my words will expose george bush and bin laden as two seperate parts of the same 7 headed dragon..and you cant fathom the truth so you dont hear me..you think illuminati is just a fucking conspiracy theory..thats why conservative racists are all runnin' shit..and your phone is tapped by the federal government..so im jammin frequencies in ya brain when you speak to me..technique will rip a rapper to pieces indecently..pack weapons illigally cause im never hesitant..sniper scopin' the commission controllin' the president..

chorus...father forgive them for they dont know right from wrong..the truth will set you free written down in a song..and the song has the cause of death written in code..the word of god brought to light that will save your soul..

..save ya soul muthafucka..save ya soul..yeah yeah yeah..

..i hacked the pentagon for self incriminating evidence..of republican manufacured white powder pestilence..marine core flack vest with the guns and ammo..spittin' bars like a demon stuck inside a piano..turn a sambo into a soldier with just one line..so hear the truth about the system that will fuck up your mind..they gave al qaeda six billion dollars in 1989..to 1992 and now the last chapters of revelations are coming true..and i know alot of people find it hard to swallow this cause subliminal bigotry makes you hate my politics..but you act like America wouldnt destroy 2 buildings in a country that was sponsering bombs dropped on our children..i was watching the towers and though i wasnt the closest..i saw them crumble to the earth like they were full of explosives..and they thought nobody noticed the news report that they did about the bombs planted on the George Washington Bridge..four non-arabs arrested during the emergency..and then it disappeared from the news permanentally..they dubbed a tape of Osama and they said it was proof..jealous of our freedom..i cant believe you bought that excuse..rocking a muthafucking flag dont make you a hero..word to ground zero..the devil crept into heaven..god overslept on the seventh..the New World Order was born on september 11th..

chorus...

..and just so conservatives dont take it to heart..i dont think Bush did it..cause he isnt that smart..hes just a stupid puppet taking orders on a cellphone..from the same people that sabotaged senator wellstone..the military industry got it poppin' and lockin'..lookin for a way to justify the wolfowitz doctrine..and as a matter of fact rumsfeld..now that i think back..without nine11 you couldnt have a war in Iraq..or a defense budget of world conquest proportions..kill freedom of speech and revoke the right to abortion..tax cut extortion..a blessing to the wealthy and wicked..but you still have to answer to the armaggedon you scripted..and dick cheney you fucking leach..tell them your plans about building your pipelines through afghanistan..and how israeli troops trained the taliban in pakistan..you might have some house niggas fooled..but i understand..colonialism is sponsered by corporations..thats why haliburton gets paid to rebuild nations..tell me the truth..i dont scare into paralysis..i know the CIA saw bin laden on dialysis..in '98 when he was top ten for the FBI..government ties is really why the government lies..read it yourself instead of askin' the government why..cause then the cause of death will cause the propaganda to die..

father forgive them..

Posted by ephektive propaganda @ 10/26/2003 09:10 PM EST


Thanks for sabotaging our economy, Pirate George:

http://www.blackcommentator.com/38/38_cover.html

"The U.S. has placed a gun to the world's head, insisting it is crazy enough to pull the trigger. Sober people take the threat seriously - conspiracies are appropriate responses. Noisy boycotts of American products serve to vent public displeasure, but a methodical determination to avoid entanglements with gangsters is best effected in innocuous meetings to which the gangsters are not invited. Boycotts need not be announced. Sales not initiated, deals not cut, trips not made, investments quietly rejected, agreements sidelined, initiatives reconsidered - this will be the response of the global matrix that the Bush men foolishly seek to coerce with high-tech weapons and racist bombast."

Posted by sammy @ 10/26/2003 09:40 PM EST


Thanks for more great articles Vox. Glad you are back. The internet was not the same without you.

If I was the world.
I would tell amerika & isre-hell to FUCK OFF.

The world should boycott, the world should demand isre-hell and amerika uphold UN resolutions and the world should scream HYPOCRITE to these two demonic governments.
Cause everything they do is most extreme corrupt double standard that poisoned this planet.

Histrocically, such massive evil did not exist to this degree before.
Shrub jr. shrub senior, rumps failed, ass crotch, smelly limberger,pimp daddy sharon, condom-lezza, and their ilk...and lets not forget baby killer Reno... are detroying the world. so they can line their vaults with blood money...from OUR BLOOD.
In the true vampire way, they suck the lifes blood of the living, so they can go on sucking more life away from more innocent victims.

These demons need stakes through their blackened charred remains of hearts.

Charlie manson as evil as he is. cannot hold candle to these monsters.
Q- What mass murderer caused as much death and human suffering as the current beasts in DC and Isre-hell??????????
A- None. Not even the most notorious, not even Casey can compare to chickenlegs " some many have to die, but its a sacrifice I am willing to make." bush.
Pol pot and hitler pale, compared to these evil beasts. At least the reistag was empty when it burned.

How came serial killers are on death row. But not shrub and sharon?
how come treason is punishable by death, but they walk around free?
There are no greater traitors than the babylonian whores in the world today.

Off with their lieing heads!!!!!!
They will push us into revolution.
And the people will show them the same mercy they showed the world.
Their days are numbered.
If bush ain't chickenshit scared of 'we the people' then quit hiding away from voices of dissent.
Get some balls and a spine you coward.

One advice to chicken leggs bush:
"Spine, don't leave home without it."

bush is too craven to even qualify as a man. and too beastly to qualify as human.

Posted by truthseeker @ 10/26/2003 10:46 PM EST


Hey Vox, I understand where you are coming from, but calling Georgie the "most hated man ever" has got to hurt our credibility, don't you think? what about Hitler? hmm?

Posted by Jonathan Mardukas @ 10/26/2003 11:03 PM EST


If markets were fair, a country that imported more than it exported would automatically have its currency devalue.

That's like everyone in that country taking a pay cut. The goods become cheaper and suddenly that country would export more than they import. The feedback loop automatically fixes trade imbalances.

After World War II, almost every country owed America money. Because American dollars could be redeemed for gold, most countries held US currency in reserve.

The US got a free ride that made it a superpower.

This extra demand kept the US dollar from devaluing. There was a demand for US $ from trade, but also to be held as a reserve currency.

In 1971, Nixon pulled the US dollar off the gold standard and suddenly those reserve dollars were pieces of paper.

Everyone from Greenspan, to the Chinese, to the Japanese are trying to keep the US $ from falling, but there's a big problem.

Countries are switching to the Euro. Oil contracts are being swapped to Euros. That was Iraq's biggest mistake and the main reason the CIA is trying to replace the 30 year old Venezualan democracy with a pro US dictatorship.

Other countries want to believe, but the way Bush is cutting taxes and pissing away money to his friends, they are reluctant to fund the US deficit.

We can delay it for so long, but soon, the US dollar will plummet to near nothing and interest rates will skyrocket. Assets, such as homes will devalue. A great depression will catch everyone off guard as the US joins the third world.

An empire is only fun if it sends money home. We are sending US tax dollars to fund Iraq and Afghanistan. The Romans would laugh if they saw how backwards we are as imperialists.

The world will rejoice that the arrogant Americans are put in their place and no one will feel sorry.

The IMF will come in with a solution. Trade your US dollars in for global IMF dollars at a 10 for one ratio and America can become one more state in the new world order.

Is it possible that Bush's bosses are working to a plan to screw the US economy to move us to the new world order?

The Chinese government ties their currency to be worth 8 cents and Bush is trying to make it float up. IE. he is actively trying to devalue the US dollar against the Chinese.

Posted by sammy @ 10/26/2003 11:18 PM EST


If everyone opposed to the 'NWO' would unite spiritually in prayer against it it would self destruct.
Before you disbelieve me -try it. There's no point also in allowing ourselves to respond to it with negativity even for a moment, as this is self defeating. (I'm not saying anyone is). God is on our side.
Pray 'God help us.'

VOX RESPONSE ANNOTATION: Sorry Charlie, the evidence is quite strong that there is no god. I have seen no evidence in my entire life of the existence of a kind, supernatural, sentient being who looks over us and guides us, none whatsoever.

Posted by charlie @ 10/27/2003 02:42 AM EST


Any status on WRH?

VOX RESPONSE ANNOTATION: I recieved an email from Rivero. He said his server was hacked. That's all the email said.

Posted by Repeal '94 weapons ban @ 10/27/2003 09:53 AM EST


thanks vox I think wrh is a great site I like the way they call it and the way you do. I hope you don't mind me making bumper stickers that say voxfux.com, I live in a huge sheeple populated area called the bible belt and noone cares right now because they have been brainwashed from day one in school. I sit here across the street from a little old lady that has huge yellow ribbons in her yard and a light up american flag, she makes me sick with her flags on her cars. She was kicked from the school system for calling young boys trash over and over if they did not agree with her. NOW she works down at the home during elections. Just makes me sick Maybe i'll put one of my bumperstickers on her car.

Posted by revenger @ 10/27/2003 11:27 AM EST


vox, i like your point of view, and how you have educated yourself to get that point of view, i visit this site, WRH, rense, copvcia(for there long articles and views), and propaganda matrix, but mostly the first 3. my request is for any other sites that have True current events, good pov's like yours, and good source of other enlightenment and/or truth understanding, thanks, i will check back at this post later. keep up the great work, its appreciated

Posted by stuck on the surface @ 10/27/2003 11:31 AM EST


I agree with Vox regarding the posting by Charlie. No offense to Charlie, but praying and waiting for God to intervene is equivalent to doing nothing at all. In these times we have to figure out what we can do to help. Wishful thinking (such as prayer) doesn't work.

Posted by Paul @ 10/27/2003 01:20 PM EST


God helps those who help themselves.
I agree with Charlie that prayer helps. But it does not mean one should only pray & not do any action.
Example: If your child is extremely ill & is in danger...
Is it wise to only pray & hope...
Or is it better to seek medical attention, (action) along with prayers?

Yes the whole world could use lots of prayers right now. But we must actively fight against those who harm all those who need our prayers. The way evil flourishes is for good men to do nothing.

We are not doormats for evil people. They take virtue or kindness for weakness. In that they are wrong. Honesty takes great courage & strength. Just look at VOX & Micheal of WRH.
They are some of the most courageous souls. They have many virtues.

It is cowards that sell out.
( Government, media & BLIND sheeps. which are not like believers that think for themselves & seek truth.)

BTW- this is coming from former athiest. God showed me numerous signs and has intervened in my life repeatedly. It took extreme miracles to alter my paradigm so dramatically. And when it happens, one cannot deny reality that transcends the ordinary.
I cannot see God, but I know HE exists. Like I cannot see subatomic particles, quarks or blackholes. But I do not doubt they exist too. And often it is an effect; of something that exists; which proves the existence of that which cannot be seen or otherwise known.
I hope my analogy helps clarify.

Anyway, there is no compulsion in matters of faith. It's a personal thing, for each individual. Whether they believe or not...
I have experienced both extremes. So I understand both paradigms.

Posted by Akido @ 10/27/2003 01:57 PM EST


The issue I have with religion is "locus of control". Things aren't going to change unless you change them. Don't wait for some god to change them for you.

Posted by locus of control @ 10/27/2003 02:44 PM EST


Keep up the good work, vox; the truth is starting to crack through. In your pessimistic (though essentially accurate) analysis, don't count out the possibility of our armed forces having enough of this chickenhawk traitor's bullshit and cutting him off by the balls. Just today, I heard Amy Goodman letting loose on her radio program Democracy Now! about the USS Liberty massacre by Israeli forces on 8 June 1967; can you believe it?

After 36 years of cover-up, these Israeli traitors are being exposed, mostly due to top military personnel whose character is unassailable (unlike the Deserter-in-Chief)testifying and raising hell. Can the exposure of Mossad's involvement in 9/11 be far behind? The "religious right's" involvement in support of this rogue terrorist nation will bring about THEIR fall as well if we all keep the pressure on and spread the suppressed TRUTH about Zionist/Mossad/Likud treachery.

So now they're trying to shut down WRH, eh? Yep, they're nervous alright. And best of all, Wolfie's gettin' shot at, too; not a good week for the NWO...these fuckers are going get some of their own poison.

And as for you, Charlie; can't you see it is fucking RELIGION that is the main cause of all this bullshit? 9/ll, Palestinian genocide, right wing political domination in the U.S., Waco, Jonestown, and on and on. Get your goddamned head out of your ass, get off your knees, and do something constructive.

ephektive propaganda, that is great shit; thanks for posting it. Any place on the web we can download it to spread it around?

Keep up the fight, everyone; better to die on your feet than live on your knees. And keep on posting, vox.

Posted by jungophile @ 10/27/2003 02:59 PM EST


I understand it is very difficult to find pictures of Saturday, Oct 25th, Washington protest.

According to Chem11 at Megasprayer, all the sites that he visits, cannot download JPEG's from the protest.

This is confirmed by other people, and with WRH going down, the Stormtroopers are in full swing.

However, here's some photos from the protest that we took.

Scroll down a little ways to swampgas' second post.

http://emfx13.proboards17.com/index.cgi?board=general&num=1064575249&action=display&start=30

Peace

Posted by swampgas @ 10/27/2003 03:03 PM EST


Full court press NOW. They are stumbling bad...can't you feel it...

Posted by knock-down power @ 10/27/2003 04:38 PM EST


Radio Frequency Identification (embedded chips) is in full swing. Microwaves are not just for frozen burritos anymore...

Posted by funny money @ 10/27/2003 05:00 PM EST


a truthfull article but I can not show it to mum because of that language....

VOX RESPONSE ANNOTATION: Too bad for mum. It may have been the only truthful thing she's heard in years. She wouldn't perhaps be the type of person who doesn't mind when American bombs rip the arms and legs off of little kids in other countries, but god forbid somebody uses the word fuck. I know the type. Go ahead show her the truth, sometimes the only way to express the filthy dirty truth is with filthy dirty FUCKING words.
vox

Posted by mario @ 10/27/2003 05:02 PM EST


Best inform your loved ones of Sen. Rangles bill for mandatory service/draft. The push is on to create cannon fodder to move on Syria in step with PNAC plan.

Posted by goosestep @ 10/27/2003 06:32 PM EST


Hell no! I won't go!

Posted by Raul @ 10/27/2003 06:38 PM EST


In this day in age we need a new form of natitionalisim, Our governments world wide are way too money driven to make earth a nice place to live under a global government. I'm Canadian and am a strong nationalist. One world government only will work when and if we become civilised and keep the dollars and cents out of the picture and religion too. I hate to say it but it seems the only way out of this is all people around the world arm them selves, either with information that is truth or millions with guns, I do not praise violence, it make us no better than them. maybe if you fat ass corporate slaves would look at the evidents that is proof that we are all getting screwed and being lead to the slaughter then maybe change can take place. If your president went to some city and held a public speach and no one showed up then that might make them think that maybe they are not as sneaky as they thought they were. if few million people wrote letters to a national news paper all saying the same thing everyday and we all printed aticles from this site and others like this one and left them at bus stops on a bus put them inside free news papers that come out weekly put them into your apt building neibours mail box posing as junk mail bill boards at the laundry mat schools and universities and shopping malls, mail them to you local governments state, provincial, citys. but choose carefully make sure the articles you put out there match mainstreem context that way people wont look at it and think "what a nut case". the articles should not contain extreem points of view or even hint at guns war or killing your own country men and women. one good way of puting it out there is maybe put a heading like,(WHY IS THIS NOT ON THE 6 O CLOCK NEWS?) if enough people do this and do it all the time then in time people with start asking the questions that need to be asked and call every politician on their lies and deception. even bumper stickers, anything is worth a try not enough people that have internet come to sites like this because they are happy working the rest of their life and downloading MP3s and die old and realise that their job and over taxation was their whole life and nothing more and were happy being a slave to the banks and never really having anything of thier own except debt...Wake up people!!! Banks and government go hand in hand we are slaves like it or not hell is on earth not heaven. This life is for the rich by the rich and the rest of us don't matter unless you default on your loan then you get all kinds of attention..

Posted by person @ 10/27/2003 07:21 PM EST


The pigs' vulnerability is their obvious involvement in 911. How anyone with half a brain can believe the official version of events is beyond me.

Also, convince the sheeple that Iraq wasn't involved in 911 and support for the war and Bush dies.

http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/the_plan.html

Posted by sammy @ 10/27/2003 10:48 PM EST


Voxfux, you write compellingly. The Bushes and their company are all you say, but there are powers behind them. Bankers run the world. He who has the gold, rules. I object.

Posted by BraveNewWorldOrderFighter @ 10/28/2003 12:15 AM EST


That's been my theme. Bush isn't that smart to be the one really in charge.

The bankers want to bankrupt the US to swoop in with the solution - a more stable global fiat currency that they can print out of thin air and lend to governments.

They must know that the people are going to be pissed when the draft starts. They must have known an occupation of Iraq was unwinnable - the generals found that out in their war games prior to invasion.

Just look to Israel / Palestine to see what a long term occupation looks like.

Maybe perpetual, unwinnable wars, a gutted constitution, massive unemployment, a demoralized fearful population and a plummeting dollar were the goal.

People only accept big changes when times are bad.

Posted by sammy @ 10/28/2003 10:09 AM EST


"Perpetual war, perpetual Republican control."

Please, don't tell me you buy into the Republican vs. Democrat b.s.! All politicians eat from the same trough. Both parties are shills for the powerful elites.

Besides, the only thing that makes it into political office that which care little about lying, cheating and betrayal, but rather excels the most at them all.

Liberty is nature's law!

Posted by Derrick @ 10/28/2003 10:45 AM EST


"Perpetual war, perpetual Republican control."

Please, don't tell me you buy into the Republican vs. Democrat b.s.! All politicians eat from the same trough. Both parties are shills for the powerful elites.

Besides, the only thing that makes it into political office that which care little about lying, cheating and betrayal, but rather excels the most at them all.

Liberty is nature's law!

Posted by Derrick @ 10/28/2003 10:46 AM EST


Read back through my posts, Derrick. I said the parties are two heads of the same snake. The republics appear meaner on the surface, but they both pursue similar policies.

Besides personal financial gain, drugs for arms, pork contracts for friends, etc., there are two things driving the current pig in power:

1) The Euro and gold will replace the US dollar as a reserve currency. This could result in a MASSIVE drop in the American standard of living. Even though the US imports way more than it exports, the dollar hasn't fallen as other countries have been willing to hold on to them as a reserve.

What do you think will happen when they start selling US dollars to buy gold and Euros?

Oil contracts are already being repriced in Euros.

2)We won't "run out" of oil for a long time, but they've reached a peak rate of supply and demand is increasing. That will mean less oil for North America and more for China, Russia and India unless the US controls the oil. Oil isn't just cars - it's shipping, fertilizer for food, air travel, electricity, plastics, etc.

But in my opinion, both of these problems are excuses that will be used to tie the new US dollar to some sort of world fiat currency. The bankers control both the democrats and the republicans.

Posted by sammy @ 10/28/2003 11:21 AM EST


Your on the money Sammy...Their looking to implode this economy and reverberate globally while buying up on the cheap...It's how it's done. They looted the Treasury and what's left, "the full faith and credit" of the US? American Distress card not accepted here! The R/E bubble is about to pop, plenty of "Office Space Available". The writing's clearly on the wall amidst the newspeak. We have been sold out by those in Washington, but what they fail to recognize is that they will exhaust their usefullness to the NWO and the natives pissed!

Posted by .50 cal @ 10/28/2003 11:27 AM EST


"VOX RESPONSE ANNOTATION: Sorry Charlie, the evidence is quite strong that there is no god."

Oh really? Like our own existence, I'm sure an event like a total solar eclipse is just a "cosmic conicidence" just like political events are just a series of "coincidences." Or maybe, there really is evidence of design.

"A total solar eclipse is one of nature's grandest spectacles but it only occurs because of a cosmic coincidence.
From Earth, the apparent size of our Moon is almost exactly the same as the apparent size of the Sun.

This is not the case for any other planet in the Solar System, so only Earth witnesses such close-fitting solar eclipses.

The Sun is, of course, much larger than the Moon. It is 400 times bigger in fact, but it is also 400 times further away. So when they coincide in the sky, the Moon exactly blocks out the Sun."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2528707.stm

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/28/2003 12:21 PM EST


Hi Vox,

Just for the record.I have to check you on that one comment about theres no God.THERE IS A GOD.(PROOF?)Only God has the power to open our eyes and see this disastrous truth for what it is.You are so brilliantly opening our eyes."Something"(God) as inspired you with anger,disgust,motivation and the courage to warn his humble flock.(Those who care to listen)This is how the prophets delivered their messages-cut and dry,fearlessly,to the point, take it or leave it.Just look at it. I'm sure you are bring treated just like the prophets did.They're watching you and I'm sure they're waiting for their moment to crucify you.Sounds familiar?(Hell.we don't go to church anymore so somebody's got to do it:-)))Thanx!!!!! Seriously .People don't understand the true God and will never see this as "we" do.God is not that(humble speaking passifist)who everybody call Jesus.True God is not that fairy tale that we all grew up learning about.NO WAY!!!!You're right.That one DO NOT exist.He never has.But the real God is "setting these hypocrites up" to fall flat on the faces.This day has been in the making for the last 6000 years.But You know, God takes his time.Like all or most religions say,we must be patient and whole out a little while longer.In a few days (either on or shortly after the 2004 elections)I believe Armageddon in America will start."We" will be the ones to sit back and watch these bastards fry.Oh yeah,they're going to come after us.All we can do is fight them back and protect our lives and families.BUT THEY'RE COMING ONLY OUT OF DESPATION.He's defeated already actually but the rumble from the aftermath has still yet to be heard.I don't get in to the bible much but I swear I've seem this whole episode written somewhere in it.(Revelations?)WE will win in the end.(Just as Davis slew Goliath) in the "desert" with a weapon that was much small than the one Goliath had.Go Figure.

Posted by 5string @ 10/28/2003 12:25 PM EST


MR. ELEVEN, You are a typical dumb shit bible thumper, have you even thought for one second that other planets in the solor system are farther away from the sun than earth making the sun appear smaller? did you even take note that when someone 7 feet tall looks 2 inches tall when they are 500 feet away? its called simple science wich you bible brainwashed losers dismiss and think its gods will for everything. if a eclpice was to happen on venus well the sun would look bigger than the moon. if it was to happen on jupiter the moon would appear larger than the sun, any moron can figure that out. it appears the way it does on earth because for one its called a shadow, but you bible thumpers probably think your shadow is a deamon comming to get ya.."look out here he comes!!! its commin to get ya!!!" what you say is weak.. stick your head back up your ass and stay there! i'm sick of hearing you people trying to justify god for every event either man made or cosmic, if god does exsist i'm sure he has better things to do than make the moon appear the same size as the sun during a eclipse.

Posted by person @ 10/28/2003 02:25 PM EST


Ahem.Fuck you religionists. Vox is too fucking nice to you ignorant, arrogant assholes. All religion is pure evil. All religion is mind control... sociocognitive warfare. If you believe in it, peddle it, or tolerate it then YOU are in the service of evil.. wittingly or unwittingly.... YOU ARE THE FUCKING PROBLEM YOU STUPID RELIGIONISTS. FUCK YOU ALL!!

Posted by The Heathen @ 10/28/2003 02:59 PM EST


God is real and you will all have a chance to grasp the real truth.
Everyone will be given a chance to learn about the real truth that is taking place in the stream of time right now. One way or the other everyone on earth very soon will have to know that God is real.
Stop thinking all religion is bull.....thats exactly what the devil wants so you don't see the truth among the weeds......whatever

Posted by Money sucks @ 10/28/2003 03:39 PM EST


Ooooogggaa....Booooogggaa.

Gonnnaa gett yaa.

GWB

Posted by skidplate @ 10/28/2003 04:41 PM EST


Could you stop the God posts - not too relevant to this thread.

.50 Cal:

The scam is you bait people into overextending themselves with cheap interest. This causes a huge housing boom and asset overvaluation.

Money is being printed like there is no tomorrow. Money isn't wealth. Money is a piece of paper. Energy, resources, goods and services are wealth.

Suddenly, with no warning, the foreign bond holders demand more interest because the US dollar is tanking.

Interest rates shoot up and the actual supply of money suddenly shrinks. You get massive unemployment and foreclosures. The housing market and stock market crashes.

If you were in the know and moved your money to Euros or Gold, you could buy US businesses, resources, energy and homes at a fraction of their previous value.

Some people will benefit greatly as the US goes on a fire sale.

It will go down differently than the great depression, but there is a reason why they invest so heavily in crowd control technologies.

They know the masses are going to be pissed off after it is too late.

The world bank swoops in and saves the world from a global depression(dey) with a world currency backed by the 'd'ollar, 'e'uro and 'y'en.

The US role in the world is much smaller than it is today.

Posted by sammy @ 10/28/2003 04:42 PM EST


To person. Try reading the statement again. You fail to grasp that the sun is 400 times the size of the moon plus 400 times as far as the moon from earth. This near precise measurement is what makes the total solar eclipse possible and visable to the only known inhabited planet in the solar system. No other planet has such a perfect eclipse. Since precise gravitational relationships with the sun and the moon allow life on earth to continue, what are the odds that such a precise size/distance relationship is a total coincidence? If so, surely the Mona Lisa must also be a coincidence of paint falling randomly on canvas. Regardless, if many leaders of the New World Order can worship Lucifer, surely some of it's opponents can believe in the original creator in heaven without causing you too much distress. Also, you are correct that many lies are said in the name of religion. Just don't throw out the creator with the bath water if you hope to prevail against the beast system.

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/28/2003 04:57 PM EST


I concur, the application of basic theories of risk/return and supply/demand cover it well. Our wealth lies in the ability to mfg but this all went abroad. The store of wealth now lies in fiat money with no intrisic value.
A few years back an econ prof/banker plainly said buy gold if you can afford it, or settle with some silver...he knew score.

Posted by .50 cal @ 10/28/2003 05:01 PM EST


http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/ Some questions are being asked!! CBC The Canadian Broadcast Corporation is going to air on National Television.9/11 conspiracy if some of you Americans have a satilite dish I would hope you will tune in.. check the link

On October 29th , at 9:00 p.m., the fifth estate begins its 29th season of investigative journalism. Join our hosts Linden MacIntyre, Bob McKeown, and Hana Gartner for another season of challenging and thought-provoking documentaries. the fifth estate begins its 2003-2004 season with a story as fresh, as immediate, as today's headlines.

CONSPIRACY THEORIES

On September 11, 2001, pilotless airplanes were guided into the World Trade Center by homing beacons. It wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon, but a missile. U.S. Air Force planes weren't scrambled to intercept the hijacked planes that morning because the White House was behind the events of that tragic day. Incredible? Definitely. Outlandish? Absolutely. But, there are lots of people who believe that at least some parts of these stories are true.

In a special season premiere investigation the fifth estate's Bob McKeown finds that even the most outlandish conspiracy theory may have its basis in a legitimate question. In the course of separating fact from fiction, Bob delves into the labyrinthine and surprising ties between the Bushes and the Bin Ladens. What he finds out may startle you as much as any conspiracy theory.



Coming Up:

Posted by mmmmmmm pizza @ 10/28/2003 08:12 PM EST


Mr. Eleven:

Without getting too drawn into this, let's say there were a trillion trillion trillion planets and only one had the perfect circumstance for life.

Earth may be the only planet in the universe with life.

If the people on Earth said, "what are the odds that my planet would uniquely have the circumstances suitable for life", what would the answer be?

Try 100%.

It's called the anthropomorphic principle. The fact that this planet has life implies that it will have the circumstances needed for life.

The religious say that there must be a god as it is too unbelievable that the universe could always have existed or suddenly come into existence in a random cataclysm.

The problem is that they haven't got rid of the problem.

Where did God come from?

He / she has always existed or she / he suddenly came into existence.

It is intellectual fraud to use creationism to escape that something came from nothing at some point in our past or it always existed even if that something is a creator.

The "universe is too wonderful to be random" doesn't solve the problem as a creator would have to be even more wonderful.

Where the fuck did he / she come from.

By the way, I agree with Vox on profanity. It isn't the meaning - fornication is okay and it isn't the sound - firetruck and duck even fruck are okay - why do some people get so worked up over certain words that they choose to censor from their vocabulary?

It's like George Orwell and the thought police.

Sometimes, a good swear word conveys the writer's emotional state way better than any other combination of words could not.

If there is a god and he or she punishes you for not believing, she or he's a fuck and you're screwed no matter what.

If the god is forgiving, than it doesn't matter - stop praying and take some practical steps to personally take charge of the situation. Stop waiting for god and fix it yourself.

Existentialism - ie. just exist and live your life and stop waiting for god to fix your problems.

I agree the pigs are on the run, don't be afraid - tell your friends that the electronic vote is fixed and tell them not to send their kids to Bush's wars.

Tell them about how the banks create money out of thin air and lend it to the taxpayers who pay interest.

An economy that is twice as big needs twice as much money. Ask them why the government lets the private banking system print it so the tax payers borrow it rather than having the government print it.

Ask them why there was no income tax before the Federal Reserve and World War 1 in 1913 / 1914.

Ask them why the British didn't like the US settlers setting up their own currency rather than using the pound.

Ask them why corporations have a right to free speech, etc. when they aren't even human. Isn't the constitution for people?

Ask them to ask their cable companies to replace CNN with a foreign news source because they believe in freedom of the press. There are tons of good ones out there.

Tell them a sucker is born every minute and that's who the mainstream press concentrates their message on.

I'm sick and tired of people telling me it is immoral to have too much sex or have an abortion as they send people to the gas chambers and kids too young to drink to their deaths in some country they can't find on a map.

I wish people would use their cerebral matter before reciting what is moral and what isn't.

So much misery is done in the name of religion - I don't care if you're religious or not, but keep it to yourself, don't post it here and put yourself in charge of making your life and our world a better place.

This isn't some antichrist conspiracy - this is a bunch of fat fucks on a power trip making money for themselves and their friends at your expense.

They aren't evil or devil incarnate - they're arrogant, greedy and defeatable.

The masses always underestimate their influence over the powerful minority.

Posted by sammy @ 10/28/2003 10:54 PM EST


http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/

damn it just click the link..

On September 11, 2001, pilotless airplanes were guided into the World Trade Center by homing beacons. It wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon, but a missile. U.S. Air Force planes weren't scrambled

Posted by Dr Evil @ 10/29/2003 01:21 AM EST


First off, I agree this is not the venue for spiritual debates and I will leave it at this. I was simply responding to Vox's declaration that "the evidence is quite strong that there is no god."

The characteristics of intelligent design are evident. The relationship between the earth, moon, and sun is an example of such evidence. One can rationally conclude such evidence is not the result of a random collision of molecules which is the only alternative view. I'm not arguing about "creationism", or where did God or the universe or humanity start. I'm simply saying there is evidence of intelligent design (ie. God).

As for Sammy, I did not say "what are the odds that my planet would uniquely have the circumstances suitable for life." The real question is "what are the odds that my planet would... suitable for life and that this is the result of a random collision of molecules as opposed to an intelligent design?" The precise relationship between the sun, moon, and earth reflects an intelligent system which allows life to continue. In an anthropomorphic way, a total solar elclipse is a symbol of this intelligent system for the naked eye on earth to see.

Einstein rightfully rejected most traditional forms of religion. But even he acknowledged a higher supernatural intelligence (ie. God). "I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see a universe marvellously arranged and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations." (Denis Brian, Einstein, A Life, New York, 1996, p 186)

It is not that anyone wants us to believe in God, for according to the bible even Lucifer and the deamons believe in God. Rather, it is God's righteousness that we should seek, as exemplified by Yeshua Bin Yosef, otherwise labelled Jesus.

If I've quoted the Bible, it's because it correctly mirrors the events of today. Surely we've gotten the "leaders" we deserve. The Octopus, the banks, the secret societies, the military industrial complex have taken control of this country because we've allowed it through our own corruption. Unless we as individuals seek the narrow path of righteousness and truth, we will be devoured by tyranny. Any fool knows we have to do more than pray. The bible itself says faith without works is dead.

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/29/2003 02:47 AM EST


whatreallyhappened.com linked to a good article today on the war on the dollar, the Pillar of United States Power.

http://www.unobserver.com/index.php?pagina=layout4.php&id=1144&blz=1

Why do you think they came out with a new US currency?

"Whatever happens, Washington can no longer backtrack. In fact, the survival of the U.S. is menaced - not by an external enemy, but by internal economic weakness and tensions running between its communities. Many are becoming conscious of the fact that U.S. power is based upon a mirage, the dollar. These are only pieces of paper, printed when more are needed, while the rest of the world feels obliged to use them."

Posted by sammy @ 10/29/2003 06:30 PM EST


Bush and Co are not worried about the next election, I can guarantee you. Why? Because the next widespread CIA-Mossad backed American terror attack will occur within 3 months of next years election, coinciding with the invasion of Syria and Lebanon by Israel. Also watch for China to invade Taiwan during this time. Yes we will live in interesting times. Elections will be suspended in the United States and martial law will be imposed. These fuckers are behind schedule and being pushed by their puppet masters to get back on track.

Posted by nwo-pigs-have-no-souls @ 10/29/2003 07:12 PM EST


Bush and Co are not worried about the next election, I can guarantee you. Why? Because the next widespread CIA-Mossad backed American terror attack will occur within 3 months of next years election, coinciding with the invasion of Syria and Lebanon by Israel. Also watch for China to invade Taiwan during this time. Yes we will live in interesting times. Elections will be suspended in the United States and martial law will be imposed. These fuckers are behind schedule and being pushed by their puppet masters to get back on track.

Posted by nwo-pigs-have-no-souls @ 10/29/2003 07:14 PM EST


The New World Order is in huge trouble, and there are cracks in the foundation all around us.

Did any of you see the Skull and Bones piece on 60 Minutes?--it is just one crack in the foundation among many. The NWO like to control both sides of an issue, and the Skull and Bones piece is a great example of what NWO are trying to keep up with. They are getting "in front" of the S&B story, so when Sally Soccer Mom or Joe Six Pack hear someone mention Skull and Bones, they already have a watered down explanation of what Skull and Bones is about. A whitewash to make the sheeple go back to sleep.

The NWO know a lot of people are going to the alterative news sites on the internet and getting the TRUTH. They HATE the word "TRUTH". Here.. I'll just say it a few times for my own amusement. TRUTH..TRUTH..TRUTH..TRUTH. The NWO have definitely underestimated the power of the internet, so they are desperately trying to control it. Look at whatreallyhappen.com, rense.com, blackboxvoting.org. These sites have all being hacked or shut down by the Feds (Or at least they have tried). They hate sites like Voxfux.com, and the Feds went after Vox not too long ago. We pounding them with all this information we call "the truth".

Remember--the NWO tried to get this NWO party started back in 1993 with the first WTC attack. It failed to get the mass casualties they were looking for to scare the population into accepting draconian legislation (Patriot Act) and an Orwellian police state. SO THEY ARE WAYY BEHIND, and are making tons of mistakes. Be careful though to not underestimate the Globalists--THEY ARE DANGEROUS, and have access to the most destructive weapons in the world--Nukes, Biologicals, Chemical Weapons. But keep this in mind, the Globalists will only use these weapons though if they think they can get away with it. And right now, things are not looking so good for them--there is a mass awakening taking place on this planet.

Spread this link far and wide to every chat room, message board, newsgroup and web site that you can.

http://911.mazesoftware.com/

As more people wake up, the Globalists influence will become weaker and weaker. Remember the power is in the base of the pyramid, not the peak as the Globalist would like you to think. As the foundation crumbles from beneath, the peak will fall with it.

Posted by Zepherhills @ 10/29/2003 07:36 PM EST


Corrections:

whatreallyhappened.com

We ARE pounding them with all this information we call "the truth"

Posted by Zepherhills @ 10/29/2003 08:18 PM EST


Constant drone about "foreign combatants" in Iraq. The setup is on for a rush on Syria.

Posted by Gotha and the Boys @ 10/29/2003 08:34 PM EST


Conspiracy of Silence

Disturbing visions of flag-covered coffins each day

United we stand while they're warring our future away

The spin doctors dance while our young men continue to die

All for the sake of the corporate American pie

It's a conspiracy of silence

And it's breaking us down

In a conspiracy of silence

The truth won’t be found

The president seems to have dangerous thoughts in his head

His war-minded handlers are pushing him over the edge

Protecting the interests of all their industrial friends

The sins of the father repeating all over again

It's a conspiracy of silence

And it's holding us down

In a conspiracy of silence

The truth can't be found

Remind us again

How September eleventh

Will justify all of your

Unjustifiable wars

It's time we demanded they answer the questions they've dodged

And make them give back to us all of the freedoms they've robbed

The seeds of big brother have started to take root and spread

And if we don't rise up we'll find our democracy's dead

It's a conspiracy of silence

And it's keeping us down

In a conspiracy of silence

The truth can't be found

It's a conspiracy of silence

And it's tearing us down

In a conspiracy of silence…

Posted by john kasper @ 10/29/2003 11:38 PM EST


The Fifth Estate is on right now. They interviewed Mike Ruppert (http://www.copvcia.com) and were a bit dismissive of the theories that the US government attacked the WTC with remote control technology, but they are really slamming Bush.

Most Canadians hate Bush (if we could have voted, Gore would have got almost 80% of the vote), but only 15 minutes into it and Bush is coming across as a murderer and a crook.

This show is very high profile, playing at prime time and it will likely be repeated on CBC newsworld over and over.

To get a Canadian's impression of Bush, after the election, one of our comedy interviewers caught Bush not knowing our Prime Minister's name.

Cretien (our Prime Minister) has strongly hinted he doesn't like him and thinks he's a little slow upstairs.

Canadians are still resentful that after 911, Bush listed all of the US's friends and listed about a dozen, but didn't name Canada. He referred to England as the US's best friend and left us off the list completely.

He's pissing off almost every country in the world.

Posted by Canadian @ 10/30/2003 12:34 AM EST


The Fifth Estate is on right now. They interviewed Mike Ruppert (http://www.copvcia.com) and were a bit dismissive of the theories that the US government attacked the WTC with remote control technology, but they are really slamming Bush.

Most Canadians hate Bush (if we could have voted, Gore would have got almost 80% of the vote), but only 15 minutes into it and Bush is coming across as a murderer and a crook.

This show is very high profile, playing at prime time and it will likely be repeated on CBC newsworld over and over.

To get a Canadian's impression of Bush, after the election, one of our comedy interviewers caught Bush not knowing our Prime Minister's name.

Cretien (our Prime Minister) has strongly hinted he doesn't like him and thinks he's a little slow upstairs.

Canadians are still resentful that after 911, Bush listed all of the US's friends and listed about a dozen, but didn't name Canada. He referred to England as the US's best friend and left us off the list completely.

He was also quite dimissive when Canadian troops were killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan.

He's pissing off almost every country in the world.

Posted by Canadian @ 10/30/2003 12:35 AM EST


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/75106B9F-1FDB-4D2A-8484-992CBF7C51A3.htm

Chomsky: Bush may invent another 'threat'
Thursday 30 October 2003, 13:00 Makka Time, 10:00 GMT

Leading linguist and commentator Noam Chomsky has said President
George Bush will have to "manufacture" another threat to American
security to win re-election in 2004 after US failure in occupying
Iraq.

Chomsky, attending a Latin American social sciences conference in the
Cuban capital Havana, said that since the September 11 attacks, the
Bush administration had redefined US national security policy to
include the use of force abroad, with or without United Nations
approval.

"It is a frightened country and it is easy to conjure up an imminent
threat," Chomsky said at the launching of a Cuban edition of a book of
interviews published by the Mexican newspaper La Jornada, when asked
how Bush could get re-elected.

"They have a card that they can play... terrify the population with
some invented threat, and that is not very hard to do," he said.

After the "disaster" of the US invasion of Iraq, Bush could turn his
sights on Communist-run Cuba, which his administration officials have
charged with developing a biological weapons research programme, the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor of linguistics said.

Chomsky said the military occupation of Iraq, to topple a "horrible
monster running it but not a threat to anyone," was a failure.

"The country had been devastated by sanctions. The invasion ended
sanctions. The tyrant is gone and there is no outside support for
domestic dissidence," he said. "It takes real talent to fail in this
endeavour."

Chomsky said it was reasonable to assume the Bush administration would
try to "manufacture a short-term improvement in the economy" by
incurring enormous federal government debt and "imposing burdens on
future generations."

The Bush administration was a continuation of the Ronald Reagan
presidency that declared a national emergency over the threat posed by
Nicaragua's leftist government in the 1980s, he said.

"The same people were able to present Grenada as a threat to survival
of the United States the last time they were in office," Chomsky said,
in reference to the US invasion of the Caribbean island in 1983 to
thwart Cuban influence.

Posted by Ronn @ 10/30/2003 08:19 AM EST


www.whatreallyhappened.com

Posted by crusader bunnypants @ 10/30/2003 10:11 AM EST


Are foreign troops being asked to relieve the firemen in California yet?

Posted by Posse comitatus @ 10/30/2003 04:18 PM EST


The CBC Fifth Estate I think did not a bad job of reporting the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
being this is regular TV they left alot of questions out I don't think they gave Mike Rupet enough time to say alot but in my view he was not made out to be a fool.
they went into more of the Saudi connections with the Bush family they have more on this story at this link here http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/index.html it will be airing again Nov 4th for those who missed it. and i know many of you Americans may not be able to watch it unless you have a satilite dish the link has everything and more that the show covered.. as for regular TV this is a step in the right direction and CBC was very carefull in saying that THEY HAVE NO CREDIABLE EVEDENTS connecting the BUSH administration to 9/11 or murder. Wich non of us really have or he would be in jail by now. This might open a big can of worms lets hope it does..cheers

Posted by mmmmmmmm pizza @ 10/30/2003 04:46 PM EST


I wonder if Urban Moving had "jobs" within the WTC buidings. Be careful with those boxes marked "FRAGILE"...

http://www.rense.com/general38/cldou.htm

Posted by ThErMiTe @ 10/30/2003 09:56 PM EST


i agree with your article Vox. and i truly believe we are in a WARM war now, and the HOT one ain't too far off. the problem i have is CONGRESS. they allowed this machine to get to this point, they unDYINGLY support the state of israel financially, economically (militarily). israel does what ever the hell they want and the world watches with their hands tied.

what do we do about it??? like our votes really make a freaking difference. seems the only thing that matters is the almighty dollar, and the lobbies that use it. now with this electronic voting nitemare...i'm so pissed and i honestly don't know what to do. i thought about writing my senator (still may), but i'm sure (even tho he's a dem) he's getting plenty of bucks from the zionist lobby.

the corporation--oops--i mean administration has the blessing of the relatively recent surge in religious fundies, and by all the non-denominational churches being built around my neck of the woods, seems like they are becoming quite a majority, and a vocal one at that. and now they support israel too, cause bush & co do. shit.

yeah, things are getting better in iraq, the economy is getting better in the US, the world is a safer place since we got rid of the-cause-of-9/11-saddam. yeah, just be good little sheep and stay tuned to FOX & CNN. they'll tell you how you need to think and feel.

well thanks for the vent...somehow tho', i don't feel better.

Posted by RageAgainstTheMachine @ 10/31/2003 07:37 AM EST


RageAgainstTheMachine:

The masses have all the power. It is only an illusion that they don't because the media tries to maintain a monopoly over the masses' belief systems.

If the sheeple will ever realise the truth, they will be pissed.

Look what Iraqis can do defending their homeland against invaders with modern weapons.

The Russian people threw off their communist dictatorship.

Bush's vulnerability is the military and CIA don't necessarily share his ambitions. Very few soldiers want to be traitors and Bush's actions so far have been traitorous.

I bet a lot of people in the CIA and military regularly read this site, possibly even posting here.

Posted by sammy @ 10/31/2003 10:17 AM EST


sammmy--thanks for the glimmer of hope. btw, re: Posted by sammy @ 10/28/2003 10:54 PM EST--RIGHT ON!!

Posted by RageAgainstTheMachine @ 10/31/2003 03:04 PM EST


Ronn, Here's a little background on Chomsky:

Chomsky thinks 9/11 was pulled off exactly the way the Bush Administration and the Corportate Media said it was. He disregards "Conspiracy Theories".

He also thinks the Kennedy Assassiantion was carried out by Oswald, the "Single Bullet Theory", and believes the Warren Commision.

Strange how he now says, "Manufactured Terrorist Attack". He also works for MIT, one of the countries larger defense contractors, and owns one of the largest homes in Massachusetts.

I simply don't trust him.

Disinformation Agent anyone?

http://www.leftgatekeepers.com/articles/casestudy1.htm

http://www.rtis.com/reg/bcs/pol/touchstone/february97/worsham.htm

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=109&contentid=678

Posted by swampgas @ 10/31/2003 04:00 PM EST


Chomsky is a shill for the New World Order. Your correct Chomsky believes the Single Bullet Theory, while almost anyone you talk to (and I mean anyone) doesn't believe it. He'll sit there and talk about the corporate corruption, the war atrocities of East Timor, the Fascist corporations, the strong arm tactics of the U.S. Government etc. blah blah... The THEN his answer for everything is the U.N. and World Government. I fell for this guy when I first started to learn the truth about the NWO, but soon figured out Chomsky is a TOTAL shill-- don't believe this guy as far as you can throw him.

Posted by Zepherhills @ 10/31/2003 04:44 PM EST


brainwashington/weishauptington dc is a militarized zone freakshow...you have to live a while amongst all the masonic architectural weirdness to realize that it is far stranger than what most citizens could bring themselves to believe

tupper saussy's "rulers of evil" gives some clues...the capitol building is specifically based on the design for a antique roman capitolium, sacred to the worship of jupiter, and the supposed lady of liberty statue on the apex is persephone, wife of hades, lord of the underworld

traffic pentagrams, temple of southern jurisdiction of freemasonry 13 blocks from white house (where albert pike is buried under the staircase...the first enterprise captain in star trek was named pike, and all astronauts were masons), across the street from the holocaust memorial museum there is an agricultural department building with a swastika frieze running around its entirety

one of the buildings for the world bank or imf (forget which) has the likeness of a skull built from two giant bay windows made so they convex outwards, and a triangular opening underneath them framing an entrance

not that i want to be seen as antipagan or anything, but i get the idea that some cult(s) from the roman empire, or even much earlier, run the show, or that those who do emulate them...there are giant fasces on the wall of congress, the senate itself was a roman empire institution...

Posted by sickuminatus @ 11/01/2003 12:41 AM EST


in northern virginia, in dulles (named after the naziesque founder of the cia), there is the center for innovative technology, cit, which has an upside-down pyramid office building, with harlequinated variegated tinted glass

there is an element of john dee enochianism...there is a courtyard in back with dozens of blue glass balls, and one of the start-up companies that had offices there was named uriel corp., uriel being one of dee's angelic contacts that gave him a scrying mirror or crystal ball...there was also an "orion" network systems (the orion's belt stars supposedly figured heavily in ancient egyptian occultism) area...cost was no object, best of everything in accoutrements

not that i pretend to understand what it all "means"...seems to be elements from every weirdfuck cult and occultic system strewn all over the place

Posted by sickuminatus @ 11/01/2003 12:58 AM EST


Chomsky is definitely in no mans land. I once asked him what his thoughts were on the effect of freemasonry. The great and learned professor didn't know anything about it (ie freemasonry) but he thought it might have had something to do with the Enlightenment.

Posted by charlie @ 11/01/2003 07:21 AM EST


Absolutely correct, vox. No matter what the American voters decide the
fact is that the next Presidential
election has already been decided.
This is TOTALITARIANISM. Get it?
ASSASSINATION IS NOW SELF-DEFENSE.

Posted by Angry & Prepared @ 11/01/2003 12:52 PM EST


18181, isn't that the famous dead man's poker hand, aces and eights?

wonder if 18181 has any special masonic numerology properties, like 10 13:

The Book of Revelation: Is Templar-mageddon The 10-13th Commandment?

The Knights Templar were Christendom's best fighting force during the Crusades...they were supposedly arrested on October 13...10 13...in the early 1300s

The Book of Revelation of Saint John the Divine is the last book of the New Testament

From The King James Version of 1611:

16.16: And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon

Armageddon has 10 letters and there are 13 words before Armageddon in the verse

13.18: Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number
of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

count the number...
six hundred has 10 letters
threescore six has 13 letters

the templars were mounted knights...man and beast?

17.5: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
17.6: And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered
with great admiration.
17.7: And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her,
which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH has 13 words in it, and the beast that carries her has 10 horns
=====
17.12: And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
17.13: These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

the 10 kings give their power and strength unto the beast in verse 13
=====
18.13: And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and
horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

in verse 13, souls of men has 10 letters
there are 13 items, from cinnamon to slaves, preceding it
=====
6.8: And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto
them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Death sits on a pale horse, and Hell follows with him...
the Knights Templar were depicted on medals or coins as riding two to a horse...
=====
"the book of revelations of saint john the divine"
has 33 letters in it, and the knights templar are the 33rd degree in one of the masonic rites...

america was founded on july 4, which is the anniversary of the final stand of the templars during the crusades at jaffa, hence the jaffa mosque of the shriner masons...

america is now going to war with babylon, or what supposedly is the actual physical location of babylon, in iraq...

BushCheney has 10 letters
GoreLieberman has 13 letters

George Bush has 10 letters
Saddam Hussein has 13...

George Bush has 10 letters
Osama Bin Laden has 13...

there are 10 groupings of 13 on the reverse of the one dollar fedres note:

annuit coeptis (13 letters)

e pluribus unum (13 letters)

13 stone levels in the pyramid

13 pentagrams in the star above the eagle's head

13 alternating white and green vertical areas on the eagle's shield breastplate

13 arrows in the eagle's left claw

13 leaves on the olive branch in the eagle's right claw

13 olives on the branch

13 spherical shapes in a row beginning at the outer right rim of the circle enclosing the eagle

13 spherical shapes in a row beginning at the outer left rim of the circle enclosing the pyramid

The last 3 US presidents belonged to Yale University's Skull and Bones fratpack...

After the Templars were busted, some rabbitted with the ships in their crusading fleet, and took to pirating for a living, and in some cases
flew the skull and bones insignia as their flag...

but how can they keep a grudge for so long...

Perhaps the jinn are involved...found this quote about their longevity in an e-book about them...

www.ahmedbaki.com/english/books/spirit/

"...the lives of the JINNs are 10 to 13 times more than the average human life of 70 years. That means their lives are between 700 and
1000 years.However, by some experts in this field it is stated that the lives of some JINNS cover a time period of nearly 1400 years long."

10 to 13 times as long as a human, and some live to be in their 1300s...
==========
a few other 10-13 templarmageddon numerological combos:

tavistock and roll british invasion bands:

john lennon (10 letters)
paul mccartney (13 letters)

mick jagger (10 letters)
keith richards (13 letters)

the flag of the confederate states of america:
13 pentagrams on an X, which is the roman numeral for 10...and there were never more than 11 confederate states at any one time, read something once that maryland and another state were going to join the confederacy but were prevented from doing so by the union states, but who knows...

"OX" is a faux skull and crossbones...the first attack on the union by the confederacy in the civil war was started on Ox Road in northern virginia
=========
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/october13maryfatima.html

Fatima, Portugal, in 1917, there were meetings between three children named Lucia, Francisco, and Jacinta and a brilliantly effulgent lady whom they understood to be the Virgin Mary.
The meetings occurred on the 13th of the month for six successive months in a natural amphitheater called the Cova da Iria near the town of Fatima.
During one of the revelations, the child Lucia had requested that a miracle be shown so that people unable to see the divine lady could believe in the reality of what was happening. She was told that this would occur on the 13th of October, and she immediately communicated this to others.
=====
http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/06/13/pope.gunman.03/

Man who shot pope pardoned in Italy June 13, 2000
Mehmet Ali Agca, the man who tried to assassinate Pope John Paul II in 1981, will be extradited to Turkey after Italy's president issued a pardon on Tuesday for the papal shooting.
Agca will serve the remainder of a 10-year sentence in Turkey for the murder of newspaper editor Abdi Ipekci.
A 1991 amnesty reduced the Turkish death sentence to 10 years in prison
The pope, who met Agca in prison, publicly forgave him three days after the May 13, 1981, shooting, which occurred as the pope rode in an open car across St. Peter's Square.
The pope credits his survival to the intervention of the Virgin Mary of Fatima, Portugal.
John Paul visited Fatima last month, revealing that the attempt on his life was the last of three secrets revealed to three Portuguese shepherd children who saw the Virgin's apparition in 1917.
=====
http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/05/13/pope.fatima/

Pope beatifies shepherd children in Fatima
May 13, 2000
==========
Fatima Miracle takes place on the 13th of every month between 5/13/1917 and 10/13/1917

John Paul II (10 letters)
Mehmet Ali Agca (13 letters)(sentence pardoned; gets 10 years in Turkish prison)

read somewhere that what was revealed at Fatima, during the trench warfare hell of World War I, was the rise and fall of nazism, the rise and fall of communism, then armageddon.

read in the book The Jesuits (10 letters) by Malachi Martin (13 letters) that the templar freemasons had a papal bull declared that ended the Jesuit Order from the 1770's until 1814, when it was "reinstated"

reichsfuhrer himmler modeled the ss after the jesuits...and used the templar skull and bones as the insignia of the totenkopf (death's head) ss, the guard detail of the death camps.
==========
faux skull and crossbones is a templar signatory special:

the 501st nuclear bomber wing--that dropped the bomb on hiroshima and nagasaki at end of world war 2--was stationed near roswell "alien" crash site after world war two: its shoulder patch has a nuclear bomb blast shroom cloud (skull) with two crossed runways beneath it (crossbones)

Posted by sickuminatus @ 11/01/2003 01:44 PM EST


Thank you noble warrior brother Vox for yet again telling it like it really is in stark reality.
As you have intimated in this article, and correctly touched on in some previously: we have entered an END GAME: wherein "the sons & daughters of Belial" are literally STARING OBLIVION IN THE FACE!
Those who are closest to the HEAD OF "THE BEAST" know that their only way of avoiding THE INEVITABLE, is to keep us all in as much FEAR; MISERY; CHAOS, and DESPAIR as possible; such that we completely lose sight > AWARENESS of the CRITICAL WINDOW OF EVOLUTIONARY OPPORTUNITY virtually upon us (our LIFEBOAT off of this SINKING SHIP!), and thus by ignorant default: remain condemned to an indefinite life of SOULLESS SLAVERY (Far worse than anything we have collectively experienced beforehand!!!).
It matters not whether worshipers of "THE BEAST" do so willingly, or through Co-Opted compliance; the fact is ALL who do are GUILTY by association at the very least, and whatsmore ALL will suffer the same ignominious grizzly FATE if they continue on their MANIACAL Repugnant Rampant ways.

Whether people believe in GOD or not isn't really the issue. The issue here is about SAVING OURSELVES > OUR HUMANITY > OUR PLANET from TOTAL CAPITULATION >>> SURRENDER to THE FORCES OF DARKNESS (AHRIMAN). That my dear friends is the Concrete Scientific REALITY which presently confronts us.
Retreat by few into monastic isolation, for sake of round the clock meditation, or prayer is NOT the answer. Nor is continuing as though everything is "Hunky Dory", and thousands >> millions >>>> billions of years of "sweetness & light" are guaranteed. Such an IDYLLIC STATE MUST BE ACTIVELY CREATED BEFORE WE CAN LAY CLAIM TO IT!
Prayer & Meditation could help us immensely in achieving our ULTIMATE GOAL; however the numbers required for this to work far exceed those which are currently feasible: given the depth & extent of MASS BRAINWASHING, and the time scale such a DE-PROGRAMMING DRIVE would take.
The ILLUMINATI know this implicitly, and are killing themselves laughing at our endemic folly!
For sure an ETERNITY of SWEETNESS & LIGHT can be ours for REAL, but WE CAN ONLY ATTAIN IT IF WE CREATE IT THROUGH OUR OWN THOUGHTS > WILLPOWER (Prayer; Meditation; Visualization: in concert with an overall SPIRITUAL AWARENESS, or whatever?) IN MANIFEST ACTION; cos thought without PHYSICAL ACTION WILL NOT ENGENDER THE NECESSARY CHANGE!!!

The faces and names of Visible LAW ENFORCERS may have changed down the years, but their INVISIBLE LAW MAKERS ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME ENTITIES TODAY AS THEY WERE YESTERDAY.
If folk would prefer to Religiously OBEY their MASTERS (Bush; Blair; Sharon; Howard etc, etc...!) no matter what, rather than STAND TOGETHER BOLDLY & BRAVELY: such that WE as a UNITED FORCE OF TRUTH & FREEDOM CAN CRUSH > BANISH THIS MALIGNANT CANCER FROM OUR MIDST, then they only have themselves to blame for what will surely befall them in due course.

This is NO time for prudishness; cowardice, or lethargy; but instead a time for APPLIED ENERGETIC ACTION; DEEDS, and most importantly: DELIVERANCE.

Are you up for the TASK?

Posted by Mother Of The World @ 11/01/2003 02:12 PM EST


if you substitute the first and 8th letters of the alphabet in 18181, you get "ahaha"

they are laughing at us again

Posted by sickuminatus @ 11/01/2003 02:25 PM EST


And if you take the number before 14 you get 13 and the number after 12 you still get thirteen amazing... this works also for all the other occult numbers too, and this proves what exactly?
What you are proving, forgive the cynicism is that the universe is all mathematics, not necessarily by human design , thats just the way the universe is. And thats because it was created it didn't evolve.So these relationships will show up all over the place. You shouldn't put too much stock in them.

Posted by charlie @ 11/01/2003 05:03 PM EST


the original posting by voxfux mentioned the connection between the bush family and skull and bones
(george bush=10 letters and skull and bones = 13, yet another example of the knights templar arrest date combination), so i thought that i would post about the knights templars numerology worked into "the revelation of saint john the divine" (which has 33 letters, 33 being the degree of the knights templars in the york masonic rite in america, i believe)

the 13th card of the tarot is "death", skull and bones has 13 letters, and the skull and bones organization is invested in the death trade to the hilt...the current agenda is not a haphazard affair, and was plotted out by these mind kontrol ultraconservatives to the nth degree many years ago...another name for the skull and bones is the brotherhood of death, as well as the black order

did not mean to detour from voxfux's original message, but there is masonic/templar signatory numerology and symbolism available, and to not consider it as a viable point of discussion is rather shortsighted

2002 and 2003, these last two years in which we have seen templar america benighted, can also be factored in:

the knights templars were "arrested" (all rank and filers only, the real powers escaped with one of the largest fortunes in gold in the europe of their day, and their entire crusader fleet rabbitted away) on 10 13, and they were declared heretical outlaws anathema by the then french pope on 11 22 (jfk, the only catholic president, was shot on 11 22) of a later year..some important numbers, besides the date combinations, appear to be 13 and 22, 23 from adding 10 and 13, and 33 from adding 11 and 22

2002 with the 0's removed (sometimes they are only considered placemarkers in numerology) is 22, and 2003 gives 23

since i wholeheartedly agree with voxfux that we are skull and boned beyond all reckoning, i posted the above in support

Posted by sickuminatus @ 11/01/2003 06:01 PM EST


We all know that the US Federal Reserve is privately owned, but did you know that the Bank for International Settlements is also private?

It represents all the rich industrial currencies (fiat paper backed by nothing, but used to secure real wealth - resources, energy, goods, services - through foreclosure) and the owners continued to meet right through WWII.

http://www.bilderberg.org/bis.htm

The US is the biggest debtor nation on earth and its currency is about to become worth much less as the lenders start to foreclose, choosing to use the Euro as a new reserve.

I think the fixed voting machines will be used to get a democrat, the other head of the snake to solve all our problems by accepting a new international currency from BIS to replace or back the US dollar.

Create a problem (war, 911), then offer a solution (pick our nice, gentle guy and his solution).

Bush and his unwinnable wars could be part of a bigger agenda to hasten the crash of the US economy.

In my opinion, the religious / pagan stuff is used to tar legitimate questions. That way, the average person's eyes glaze over when a serious discussion about the nature of privately created money is associated with the Knights of Templar and Skull and Bones. Makes us seem wierd.

The same way the show X-files associated conspiracy theorists with ghosts, monsters, UFO's, magic, etc. It makes believers come across as eccentric, fringe, losers.

Posted by sammy @ 11/01/2003 08:03 PM EST


"A global economy requires a global currency"

Dr. Paul Volcker, former Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve

http://www.fame.org/

Posted by sammy @ 11/01/2003 08:31 PM EST


Hi sickuminatus. For an explanation of the inverted pyramid building you described and you may have stumbled onto something very important, check out http://www.geocities.com/mknemesis/omega2.html
scroll down to the 5th and 6th paragraphs.
By the way I still can't see the point of all the dragged out numerology.

Posted by charlie @ 11/01/2003 08:36 PM EST


To really understand money and why some people think we need a privately controlled world currency.

http://www.fame.org/HTM/VITALfinal.htm

Posted by sammy @ 11/01/2003 08:42 PM EST


Charlie:

Tesla's work is underestimated and the article quite believable.

Have you ever investigated:

Official Site: http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/

the doomsday weapon?

Check out:

http://www.earthpulse.com/haarp/

on how the US military is rolling the dice on boiling off the ionosphere based on a crude understanding of Tesla's works.

Posted by sammy @ 11/01/2003 09:25 PM EST


It is a form of identifiction and communication among the "enlightened" or those in the know...Events are tailored in synergy with celestial events, likely a bunch of hocus pocus. But these events, most often of signifigance are aligned to numerolgy and the occult (hidden) communicating the score...

Posted by Craig Killborn @ 11/01/2003 10:22 PM EST


http://www.cit.org is the site of the Virginia's Center for Innovative Technology

http://www.cit.org/hqbuilding.asp shows a picture of the inverted pyramid, and a list of the tenants, which includes the institute for defense and homeland security

Posted by sickuminatus @ 11/01/2003 10:58 PM EST


If the goal is to directly respond to a threat, we should respond to the achilles tendon of that threat.

Anything else (religion, numerology, celestial events, Tesla), should not be immediately considered as it is distracting.

There are two beneficiaries of the war in Iraq. One is the obvious - Bush, Cheney, etc. are looting billions in future taxpayer debt with impunity. Bush is up to his eyeballs in Enron, Carlyle, Halliburton, etc.

The second is deeper - Bush was elected because the bankers who can print money out of thin air picked him.

They also occassionally pick a democrat. The enlightened are happy because the democrat is so much nicer than the bastard she/he replaced. The problem is the democrats were also funded by the bankers who can print money out of thin air.

Just don't let a Ross Perot or Ralf Nader win. It's not about right or left, it's about making sure you vote for a head attached to the banker's snake.

Since they can print money out of thin air, they control the media, the oil companies, the drug cartels that need to launder money, etc.

Their achilles heel is a run on the banks. The little pieces of paper in your wallet are called "federal reserve notes". They mean that the privately owned federal reserve owes you one dollar.

A dollar is technically a precise amount of silver.

In 2000 years, every fiat money (not backed by gold or silver) system has collapsed because the bankers get tempted to be greedy.

The people have the power, but they are all afraid to be the first to put their neck on the line. That's what makes people like Vox a hero.

I'm not afraid of a world government or world currency. It seems pretty cool. I talk to people from almost every continent, every day, through the internet.

What I want is a world currency backed by gold, an internet press that gives the most intention to the writers with ideas the people like and a system that rewards ability over monopoly.

That's the system that is coming to be and why the bastards in power are panicing. I think Vox is wrong - we're winning.

What happens when the kids who were suckered in Iraq stop fighting and the person in the street gets her news from the internet and the average person expresses their wealth in gold coins?

Posted by sammy @ 11/01/2003 11:02 PM EST


the x-files series was certainly an op...and was replete with knights templar numerology and symbology:

it was produced by the 10 13 production company

the movie poster had a skull positioned over an x, the skull and crossbones, which originated with the templars, and was flown on there ships after they had been disavowed by the king and pope of france, and had to take to pirating...the skull and bones meant that no quarter was to be taken or given

Posted by sickuminatus @ 11/01/2003 11:10 PM EST


The globalist push is to impose their "reality" upon the sheeple so they can operate with impunity.
Boogey men are constantly created to distract.
What they fear is an informed or enlightened indiviual/populous to perceive and create an alternate reality sans the globalists and their continued plans of thiefdom and fifedom.
Note that viewers and listeners instinctively know something is wrong and things don's add up. They are moving away in groves from the sewage spewed on CNNCNBCABCCBSFOX and the rest of the rubbish. They are tired of the buffoonary and slapstick that's purported to be "news" of import.
As people get their number and revolt at all levels throwing wrenches (small or large) in the works then their machine begins to malfunction further exposing their criminality.
Examples will be set upon knowing the prices actually paid for their deceipt.

Posted by the tide @ 11/01/2003 11:40 PM EST


It doesn't matter if we are right or wrong about numerology, UFO'S, Knight's of Templar, etc.

That stuff may all be true, but it is distracting. Worse, our enemies may introduce it to distract us or discredit us.

The biggest conspiracy is that there are some people that print money and back it with the US taxpayer's wealth. We're going broke as they confiscate our country.

They introduce wars to keep their system from collapsing. They've done this for 700 years.

Since they print money, they control the media, energy companies and politicans.

Now they control arms companies that are paying for a lobby to force us to accept communist style Diebold voting machines.

Contrary to Vox, the bankers are losing and panicing because the internet is democratic and doesn't like that kind of bullshit.

The bankers will sacrifice Bush in a minute if they can keep the gutting of the constition, perpetual war and dominance of the US dollar.

The bankers will switch to THEIR democrat. Just keep it too democrats or republicans. Otherwise you are off the snake.

People are more informed than ever. I saw a study that youth violence is at a 200 year low. The teenagers I know play video games and don't even watch TV. I grew up on it and am brainwashed, but the kids are immune and are looking for reality.

We will get a world government, but it isn't the version the Bush puppeteers have in mind.

The US government attacked the WTC as an excuse for perpetual war. 99% of the world accepts this as fact.

As soon as Joe Sixpack realises that Bush is treasonous, the power will have shifted to the masses.

Posted by dennis @ 11/02/2003 01:16 AM EST


since the state corporatism hierarchical system we live under is highly compartmentalized and subject to security clearances, etc., one of the few means we have to attempt to understand the shadow agenda is their numerology, symbolism, word games, etc.

a prime example is that of a snake or dragon wearing a crown that is in the act of devouring whole a human...that is depicted on both the villa grounds of the italian prime minister berlusconi:

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles2003/pics/BERISC.JPG

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/headlines.shtml

icke´s symbolism page showing the alfa romeo symbol...it is exactly the same as the pm´s lawn grotesque

http://www.davidicke.net/symbolism/corporate/corporate1.html

================================
an example of their word games:

thomas jefferson has the letters for "freemason", as does william jefferson clinton

democrats and republicans have the letters for "mason", and, if you include the only third party in recent times to claim a sizable share of votes, the reform party of ross perot, you can get "freemason"

fully half of the blitzkrieg complement of tanks was built by german subsidiaries of ford and general motors

from general motors you can get "mason", and from ford and general motors, you can get "freemason"

not that all freemasons are involved, but the top of the hierarchy is, and freemasonry is rife with symbolism, numerology, etc.

Posted by sickuminatus @ 11/02/2003 11:08 AM EST


You people are still nuts!

Posted by Unknown Soldier @ 11/02/2003 11:25 AM EST


Crazy like a fox!

Posted by three to a match @ 11/02/2003 12:45 PM EST


Information Links On 9/11

9/11 Citizens Watch

www.citizenswatch.org

The Greatest Hoax In History 9/11

www.debatethisarticle.com/articles.html?id=71

Sept. 11th Prior Knowledge/Government Involvement Archive

www.propagandamatrix.com/archiveprior_knowledge

The Crimes Of 9/11 (Part 4)

www.scoop.co.nz/mason/archive/scoop/stories/05/af/200310311158.11f7deb8.html

Posted by Johnny Yuma @ 11/02/2003 04:56 PM EST


So since we are all giving our theories about this NWO. How about mines. Why the NWO order? I live not to far from the Georgia Guidestones. Which are hugh stones written in every major language. And on these stones are guides for the New Age.
THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

Now let me add my theory to this also. The Bible itself is nothing but a plan to de-populate the world. If you read the Bible. It tells you things that the devil suppose to do and what suppose to happen. Its comfort you into allowing these things to happen by giving you Jesus. If the Devil knows what suppose to happen to him in the end. Why does he continue on that path? At the end of the Bible it talks about mass de-population. Ok lets take America. Whites are losing the Majority position fast. Soon the people of color will be the Majority. Do you honestly think the Royal Families in England can have people of color running the most powerful country in the world? I think NOT! So Destroy America and leave it as a wasteland. Rap music is the #1 played music on most radio stations. The White Kids are not interested in oppressing. Like their father would like. (Look at the England Royal Family Kids. One wants to smoke pot and listen to rap music. Another wants to marry an African and live amoungst the tribes their.)In the year 2050 majority of the World will be Islamic. Do you really think the POPE and Israel can have that? I think NOT! So attack the religion from within...Use American Troops to overthrow the Middle East. Bring in Porn, Sports, Casinos, etc. You soon will forget about ALLAH. The majority of the world 6 billion People are people of color. 500 million are so are white. White produce 1.4 child per family. So soon whites will be on the verge of none existence. And with Global Warming (As we saw the effect of it in France this summer). Something must be done to keep white dominate in the world. So lets de-populate it. They can bring the world in prefect harmony with nature at 250-500 million people. So this is why they are planning a nuclear WW3 on the Asia Continent. There they can wipe out 2-3 billion people. And release Virsus here in America. Make sense? I hope so. What will you do tomorrow if you awaken and found out that a deadly virus has spreaded from Chicago to Houston over night. Killing everything it came in contact with? You see you have NO-TIME to wait. They will make damn sure their agenda is successful. When you are a sick minded racist. You will do anything to justify your rule in the world. Even if it meaning going out of space for awhile. See the noah ark story was something they wrote to re-populate the planet once you're gone. See the cloning stories in the News wasn't really for humans. It was to show you they can take animals and plants and reproduce them because animals basically have the same structures in each species. So they only need 2 of each. But Humans are totally totally different. Your who DNA makeup is different from one another. So while they feel they are justified in they're mission. I suggest you get justified in yours. Oh incase you decide to just wait it out. The one positive thing about waiting it out is. Once death comes. You never knew what had happened!!!

Posted by Stop'em NOW!!!! @ 11/02/2003 08:17 PM EST


a knight templar who practices masonic astrology predicts dubya´s terror regime continues for another 4-year term(ination)...

i KNEW the freakmasons had it all planned out for years and years ahead of time, in my perenially nauseous guts
===============================
http://66.201.79.149/passage11/bio.htm

educated by Jesuit teachers

In 1984, he was recruited into the Order of the Knights Templar, where he was instructed in their esoteric knowledge. St.Clair became a Commander of the Temple in 1986, having been installed by the Grand Master in Geneva, Switzerland.

he was instructed by a high level Master Mason educated in ancient esoteric practices to the 17th degree
Among St.Clair´s most notable predictions is the ballot recount one year before the election of George Bush, Jr. He foresaw the Sharon election and ensuing war, the discovery of new space energy, a new cosmology, and a new mathematics. He envisions a cure for Parkinson´s and Alzheimer´s disease. He saw Chirac´s re-election, the demise of Arafat/Sharon, the situation between the Pope and Catholic Church. He also predicts vast climate changes between the years 2003 to 2007, which will bring about a new planetary alignment by the end of 2012.

In March 2002, St. Clair stated that the elite knew the plot. He and his co-host, Lady Rev. Aphrodette North, PhD, pondered the re-discovery of Planet X (Nibiru) and the possible consequences of such a worldwide disaster. He predicted a truth would be found on a theory by which Israel masterminded the 9/11 attacks with the approval of a shadow government. He foresees the death of the U.S. Vice-President and of the President´s father, while the President is in office, and he predicts the re-election of President Bush.

Posted by sickuminatus @ 11/02/2003 10:11 PM EST


we are using technology from an unknown source for which you will never know about. We are listening to your phone calls. And we are watching your houses. We have everyones IP addresses in here. Just so you know :)

Posted by Agent Tivent @ 11/02/2003 10:46 PM EST


We shut you down once before and we will do it again this time when we drag you out of your house we are going to put you away for a long time.You worhtless piece of shit.

Posted by unknown soldier @ 11/02/2003 11:01 PM EST


Hmm, exactly fifteen minutes between posts of Tivent and unknown.

Shouldn't you be in Iraq, soldier boy?

Anyway, I would assume Vox logs your IP's. I'm curious where YOU are posting from.

In theory, Americans have freedom of speech.

Posted by sammy @ 11/02/2003 11:51 PM EST


what about AA?

Posted by punieta @ 11/02/2003 11:57 PM EST


what about AA?

Posted by punieta @ 11/02/2003 11:59 PM EST


ON NAZIS AND THE AFTERMATH OF HITLER.
There is a postage stamp in current
circulation in Germany which bears
the face of one of the men accused,
tried, and executed by the Nazis for
involvement in a plot to kill Hitler.
So if you want to be on an American
postage stamp in about 40 years why
not be a hero. Why not be your own?

Angry & Prepared

Posted by Angry & Prepared @ 11/03/2003 12:34 AM EST


Boo! Now give me your candy.

Posted by ibesmart @ 11/03/2003 01:01 AM EST


Ibesmart, that's the Halloween spirit.

I'm not to sure if the author is a disinformation agent, but the content is interesting.

Note this quote from:

http://www.joevialls.co.uk/subliminalsuggestion/oil2.html

"Euros. If the situation worsens, perhaps triggered by OPEC switching all oil trade to Euros, with China and Japan panicked into converting their own massive holdings to Euros, the United States Dollar will crash completely, driving America into a depression of hitherto unimaginable severity.

The Jewish State is a true parasite, wholly dependent on massive American funding in order to survive. Remove that funding either intentionally or accidentally, and the Jewish State would be overrun and destroyed in a matter of months. Though the entire Middle East now hates America with a passion, it reserves its deepest loathing for the Jewish invaders, who, every single day without end, bring more death and destruction to the helpless women and children of Palestine."

Posted by sammy @ 11/03/2003 01:07 AM EST


Sickuminatus , Sammy. Thanks for the references. Keep posting.

Posted by charlie @ 11/03/2003 02:06 AM EST


War is a Racket.
Read Major General Smedley Darlington Butler.

Posted by Nick Zedd @ 11/03/2003 04:36 AM EST


Nope.

Posted by ibesmart @ 11/03/2003 10:18 AM EST


Nope.

Posted by ibesmart @ 11/03/2003 10:20 AM EST


the china gold is only for personal adornment....also the india spike of gold consumption,
There is a big difference in the jewelery metal & the precious metal

Don't buy Gold...i'm not finished investing yet...

also about the real estate/mortgage bubble that has been created & manipulated.
Ya'll best have an exit strategy-(after behaving like lemmings, rushing headlong into; the trap!)

for some, they can pray to their g-d/ others can use the 'god part' of their brain/
in any case, you got a lot of scratchin & clawin to get outta-dat-hole

?.50 cal,met Dr Weiss?

Posted by riffraff-alunas @ 11/03/2003 04:23 PM EST


how do you like your america now? with your evil dictator G.W. BUSH aka. ALFRED E. NEWMAN of "madness"

Posted by maxxsplatter @ 11/04/2003 05:08 AM EST


The future is this: Bush and his murder monkeys will see off the UN. the UN will be replaced by a very potent global force backed by Amerikas military might. In the process of doing so, the US will be totally bankrupted (again), this time to be placed entirely in the hands of the NWO global authority.

The plans are laid, the trap is set. There's nothing you can do but leave and find somewhere safe beyond the zionist's reach.

U.S.A. R.I.P.

Posted by Soothsayer @ 11/04/2003 11:22 AM EST


be careful vox...the truth hurts the liars...might want split for a little while and carry on from somewhere else.

love 'ya!

Posted by julie @ 11/04/2003 11:47 AM EST


An interesting stellar coincidence ie a solar eclipse, does not prove the existence of god. That is faulty logic.

Posted by whalecandy @ 11/04/2003 02:19 PM EST


hi vox,

just had another thought to add to the pile: if the neo-communists
implement a draft, what element of society will actually be drafted at this point?

Posted by julie @ 11/04/2003 11:23 PM EST


voxen the tocsin
apoplexin th'watchmen
see he zizzes and sags
feints the man pops the bags

voxin boxin the watchmen
won't get boxed in
not sipping no toxin
outfoxin, thinkin & walkin

vox can't be had
he's bigger than bad
more angry than mad
bags pop, run an ad

voxen the tocsin:
boxin, not boxed in
no toxin, just talkin
thinkin
and walkin

pop the body bag

baby

let's go

how it zizzes and sags so
and so

feint the man, get let go

Posted by Sour Dove @ 11/05/2003 01:46 AM EST


whalecandy,
Such a precise stellar arrangement is about as much a coincidence as the majic bullet that zipped around JFK and Gov. Connely, floated in mid air, then changed direction, then was found on a stretcher in 1963. Sure, that such strange behavior is a coincidence is theoretically possible within the realm of physics, but it defies logic.

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 11/06/2003 12:08 AM EST


This is Bilderberg

95-99:Allaire, Paul A - USA - Chairman, Xerox Corporation Balsemao, Francisco Pinto - P - REP: PORTUGAL - Professor of Communication Science, New University, Lisbon; Chairman, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister. Barnevik, Percy - S - REP: SWEDEN - Chairman, ABB Asea Brown Boveri Ltd Black, Conrad M. - CDN - Chairman, The Telegraph plc. Carrington, Peter - GB - STEERING: FORMER CHAIRMAN - Former Chairman of the Board, Christie's International plc; Former Secretary General, NATO Honorary Secretary General for Europe and Canada Hoegh, Westye - N - REP: NORWAY - Chairman of the Board, Leif Hoegh and Co. A.S.A.; Former President, Norwegian Shipowners Association Holbrooke, Richard C. - USA - Former Assistant Secretary for European Affairs; Vice Chairman, CS First Boston Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. - USA - REP: USA - Senior Partner, Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld, LLP (Attorneys-at-Law) Kissinger, Henry A. - USA - REP: USA - Former Secretary of State; Chairman, Kissinger Associates; Inc. Netherlands, Her Majesty the Queen of the - NL Olechowski, Andrzej - PL - Chairman, Central Europe Trust, Poland Pury, David de - CH - REP: SWITZERLAND - Chairman, de Pury Pictet Turrettini and Co. Ltd. Rockefeller, David - USA - ADVISORY - Chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank International Advisory Committee Schrempp, Jurgen E. - D - Chairman of the Board of Management, Daimler-Benz AG. Seidenfaden, Toger - DK - Editor in Chief, Politiken A/S Taylor, J. Martin - GB - Group Chief Executive, Barclays plc. Vranitzky, Franz - A - Former Federal Chancellor Wolfensohn, James D. - INT - REP: USA/INT - President, the World Bank; President, James D. Wolfensohn, Inc. Yost, Casimir A. - USA - REP: USA - Director, Institute for the Study of Diplomacy, School of Foreign Service, Georgetown University, Washington; Executive Director, The Asia Foundation's Center for Asian-Pacific Affairs

96-99:Collomb, Bertrand - F - Chairman and CEO, Lafarge David, George A. - GR - Chairman of the Board, Hellenic Bottling Company S.A. Wolff von Amerongen, Otto - D - ADVISORY - Chairman and CEO of Otto Wolff GmbH

95-98:Agnelli, Giovanni - I - ADVISORY - Honorary Chairman, Fiat S.p.A. Davignon, Etienne - B - STEERING: CHAIRMAN, REP: BELGIUM - Executive Chairman, Societe Generale de Belgique; Former Vice Chairman of the Commission of the European Communities Levy-Lang, Andre - F - Chairman of the Board of Management, Banque Paribas. Sutherland, Peter D. - IRL - REP: IRELAND - Chairman and Managing Director, Goldman Sachs International; Former Director General, GATT and WTO. Wolfowitz, Paul - USA - Dean, Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (see The Challenge of Managing Uncertainty: Paul Wolfowitz on Intelligence Policy-Relations)

notables:Spain, Her Majesty the Queen of - 96 - ES Sweden, His Majesty the King of - 98 - S Lipponen, Paavo - 98 - FIN - Prime Minister Ahtisaari, Martti - 95,96 - FI - President of the Republic of Finland Oddsson, David - 97 - ICE - Prime Minister. Chretien, Jean - 96 - CDN - Prime Minister Harris, Michael - 96 - CDN - Premier of Ontario Klein, Ralph - 95 - Premier of Alberta Brittan, Leon - 98 - INT - Vice President of the European Commission Almunia Amann, Joaquin - 98 - E - Secretary General, Socialist Party

Rothschild, Evelyn de - 98 - GB - Chairman, N M Rothschild and Sons Rothschild, Emma - 95 - Dir Ctr for History and Economics Cambridge Soros, George - 96 - USA - President, Soros Fund Management Lamont, Norman - 95 - MP, Fmr Chan Excq, Director of N.M. Rothschild Crockett, Andrew - 98 - INT - General Manager, Bank for International Settlements Victor, Alice - 96 - USA - RRR - Executive Assistant, Rockefeller Financial Services, Inc. McDonough, William J. - 97,98 - USA - President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York Feldstein, Martin S. - 96,98 - USA - President and CEO, National Bureau of Economic Research Inc. Kopper, Hilmar - 95,98 - D - REP: GERMANY - Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Deutsche Bank A.G. Roll, Lord of Ipsden - none - GB - ADVISORY - President, S. G. Warburg Group plc.

Deutch, John M. - 98 - USA - Institute Professor, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Dept. of Chemistry. Former Director General, Central Intelligence Agency; Former Deputy Secretary of Defence
Soderberg, Nancy - 95 - Dep Asst to President for NSA Berger, Samuel R. - 97 - USA - Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. Stephanopoulos, George - 96,97 - USA - Visiting Professor, Columbia University, Former Senior Advisor to the President for Policy and Strategy. Beugel, Ernst H van der - 97,98 - NL - ADVISORY - Emeritus Professor of International Relations, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings for Europe and Canada Griffin, Anthony G.S. - 96 - CDN - ADVISORY - Honorary Chairman and Director, Guardian Group Chubais, Anatoli B. - 98 - RUS - Former First Vice Prime Minister; Chairman RAO EES Buckley, Jr., William F. - 96 - USA - Editor-at-Large, National Review Ball, George W. - none - USA - ADVISORY - Former Under-Secretary of State. Bundy, William P. - none - USA - ADVISORY - Former Editor, Foreign Affairs. Elliott, Theodore L., Jr. - none - USA - STEERING: SECRETARY GENERAL FOR USA - Dean Emeritus, The Fletcher School of Law & Diplomacy; Former US Ambassador. Jankowitsch, Peter - none - A - REP: AUSTRIA - Member of Parliament, Former Foreign Minister. Lacharrére, Marc Lardreit de - none - F - REP: FRANCE - Chairman, Fimalac. Carras, Costa - 96,97 - GB - REP: GREECE - Director of Companies Monti, Mario - 96 - INT - REP: ITALY - Commissioner, European Communities, Rector and Professor of Economics, Bocconi University, Milan. Ruggiero, Renato - 96 - INT - REP: ITALY - Director General, World Trade Organization; Former Minister of Trade Knight, Andrew - 95,96 - GB - REP: UNITED KINGDOM - Executive Chairman, News International plc. Mathias, Charles McC. - none - USA - REP: USA - Partner, Jones, Day, Reavis & Pogue; Former US Senator (Republican, Maryland). Whitehead, Rozanne C. - none - USA - REP: USA - Former Deputy Secretary of State. Williams, Lynn R. - none - USA - REP: USA - International President, United Steel- Workers of America.

I have also created a complete alphabetically sorted list of all '95-'99 attendees.

Read here the documents presented at Bilderberg '99.

from The News, 1999-May-1:

From http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/bilderberg.html#metatop

Posted by the colective hater @ 11/06/2003 05:23 AM EST


This is Bilderberg

95-99:Allaire, Paul A - USA - Chairman, Xerox Corporation Balsemao, Francisco Pinto - P - REP: PORTUGAL - Professor of Communication Science, New University, Lisbon; Chairman, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister. Barnevik, Percy - S - REP: SWEDEN - Chairman, ABB Asea Brown Boveri Ltd Black, Conrad M. - CDN - Chairman, The Telegraph plc. Carrington, Peter - GB - STEERING: FORMER CHAIRMAN - Former Chairman of the Board, Christie's International plc; Former Secretary General, NATO Honorary Secretary General for Europe and Canada Hoegh, Westye - N - REP: NORWAY - Chairman of the Board, Leif Hoegh and Co. A.S.A.; Former President, Norwegian Shipowners Association Holbrooke, Richard C. - USA - Former Assistant Secretary for European Affairs; Vice Chairman, CS First Boston Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. - USA - REP: USA - Senior Partner, Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld, LLP (Attorneys-at-Law) Kissinger, Henry A. - USA - REP: USA - Former Secretary of State; Chairman, Kissinger Associates; Inc. Netherlands, Her Majesty the Queen of the - NL Olechowski, Andrzej - PL - Chairman, Central Europe Trust, Poland Pury, David de - CH - REP: SWITZERLAND - Chairman, de Pury Pictet Turrettini and Co. Ltd. Rockefeller, David - USA - ADVISORY - Chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank International Advisory Committee Schrempp, Jurgen E. - D - Chairman of the Board of Management, Daimler-Benz AG. Seidenfaden, Toger - DK - Editor in Chief, Politiken A/S Taylor, J. Martin - GB - Group Chief Executive, Barclays plc. Vranitzky, Franz - A - Former Federal Chancellor Wolfensohn, James D. - INT - REP: USA/INT - President, the World Bank; President, James D. Wolfensohn, Inc. Yost, Casimir A. - USA - REP: USA - Director, Institute for the Study of Diplomacy, School of Foreign Service, Georgetown University, Washington; Executive Director, The Asia Foundation's Center for Asian-Pacific Affairs

96-99:Collomb, Bertrand - F - Chairman and CEO, Lafarge David, George A. - GR - Chairman of the Board, Hellenic Bottling Company S.A. Wolff von Amerongen, Otto - D - ADVISORY - Chairman and CEO of Otto Wolff GmbH

95-98:Agnelli, Giovanni - I - ADVISORY - Honorary Chairman, Fiat S.p.A. Davignon, Etienne - B - STEERING: CHAIRMAN, REP: BELGIUM - Executive Chairman, Societe Generale de Belgique; Former Vice Chairman of the Commission of the European Communities Levy-Lang, Andre - F - Chairman of the Board of Management, Banque Paribas. Sutherland, Peter D. - IRL - REP: IRELAND - Chairman and Managing Director, Goldman Sachs International; Former Director General, GATT and WTO. Wolfowitz, Paul - USA - Dean, Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (see The Challenge of Managing Uncertainty: Paul Wolfowitz on Intelligence Policy-Relations)

notables:Spain, Her Majesty the Queen of - 96 - ES Sweden, His Majesty the King of - 98 - S Lipponen, Paavo - 98 - FIN - Prime Minister Ahtisaari, Martti - 95,96 - FI - President of the Republic of Finland Oddsson, David - 97 - ICE - Prime Minister. Chretien, Jean - 96 - CDN - Prime Minister Harris, Michael - 96 - CDN - Premier of Ontario Klein, Ralph - 95 - Premier of Alberta Brittan, Leon - 98 - INT - Vice President of the European Commission Almunia Amann, Joaquin - 98 - E - Secretary General, Socialist Party

Rothschild, Evelyn de - 98 - GB - Chairman, N M Rothschild and Sons Rothschild, Emma - 95 - Dir Ctr for History and Economics Cambridge Soros, George - 96 - USA - President, Soros Fund Management Lamont, Norman - 95 - MP, Fmr Chan Excq, Director of N.M. Rothschild Crockett, Andrew - 98 - INT - General Manager, Bank for International Settlements Victor, Alice - 96 - USA - RRR - Executive Assistant, Rockefeller Financial Services, Inc. McDonough, William J. - 97,98 - USA - President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York Feldstein, Martin S. - 96,98 - USA - President and CEO, National Bureau of Economic Research Inc. Kopper, Hilmar - 95,98 - D - REP: GERMANY - Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Deutsche Bank A.G. Roll, Lord of Ipsden - none - GB - ADVISORY - President, S. G. Warburg Group plc.

Deutch, John M. - 98 - USA - Institute Professor, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Dept. of Chemistry. Former Director General, Central Intelligence Agency; Former Deputy Secretary of Defence
Soderberg, Nancy - 95 - Dep Asst to President for NSA Berger, Samuel R. - 97 - USA - Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. Stephanopoulos, George - 96,97 - USA - Visiting Professor, Columbia University, Former Senior Advisor to the President for Policy and Strategy. Beugel, Ernst H van der - 97,98 - NL - ADVISORY - Emeritus Professor of International Relations, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings for Europe and Canada Griffin, Anthony G.S. - 96 - CDN - ADVISORY - Honorary Chairman and Director, Guardian Group Chubais, Anatoli B. - 98 - RUS - Former First Vice Prime Minister; Chairman RAO EES Buckley, Jr., William F. - 96 - USA - Editor-at-Large, National Review Ball, George W. - none - USA - ADVISORY - Former Under-Secretary of State. Bundy, William P. - none - USA - ADVISORY - Former Editor, Foreign Affairs. Elliott, Theodore L., Jr. - none - USA - STEERING: SECRETARY GENERAL FOR USA - Dean Emeritus, The Fletcher School of Law & Diplomacy; Former US Ambassador. Jankowitsch, Peter - none - A - REP: AUSTRIA - Member of Parliament, Former Foreign Minister. Lacharrére, Marc Lardreit de - none - F - REP: FRANCE - Chairman, Fimalac. Carras, Costa - 96,97 - GB - REP: GREECE - Director of Companies Monti, Mario - 96 - INT - REP: ITALY - Commissioner, European Communities, Rector and Professor of Economics, Bocconi University, Milan. Ruggiero, Renato - 96 - INT - REP: ITALY - Director General, World Trade Organization; Former Minister of Trade Knight, Andrew - 95,96 - GB - REP: UNITED KINGDOM - Executive Chairman, News International plc. Mathias, Charles McC. - none - USA - REP: USA - Partner, Jones, Day, Reavis & Pogue; Former US Senator (Republican, Maryland). Whitehead, Rozanne C. - none - USA - REP: USA - Former Deputy Secretary of State. Williams, Lynn R. - none - USA - REP: USA - International President, United Steel- Workers of America.

I have also created a complete alphabetically sorted list of all '95-'99 attendees.

Read here the documents presented at Bilderberg '99.

from The News, 1999-May-1:

From http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/bilderberg.html#metatop

Posted by the colective hater @ 11/06/2003 05:24 AM EST


This is Bilderberg

95-99:Allaire, Paul A - USA - Chairman, Xerox Corporation Balsemao, Francisco Pinto - P - REP: PORTUGAL - Professor of Communication Science, New University, Lisbon; Chairman, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister. Barnevik, Percy - S - REP: SWEDEN - Chairman, ABB Asea Brown Boveri Ltd Black, Conrad M. - CDN - Chairman, The Telegraph plc. Carrington, Peter - GB - STEERING: FORMER CHAIRMAN - Former Chairman of the Board, Christie's International plc; Former Secretary General, NATO Honorary Secretary General for Europe and Canada Hoegh, Westye - N - REP: NORWAY - Chairman of the Board, Leif Hoegh and Co. A.S.A.; Former President, Norwegian Shipowners Association Holbrooke, Richard C. - USA - Former Assistant Secretary for European Affairs; Vice Chairman, CS First Boston Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. - USA - REP: USA - Senior Partner, Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld, LLP (Attorneys-at-Law) Kissinger, Henry A. - USA - REP: USA - Former Secretary of State; Chairman, Kissinger Associates; Inc. Netherlands, Her Majesty the Queen of the - NL Olechowski, Andrzej - PL - Chairman, Central Europe Trust, Poland Pury, David de - CH - REP: SWITZERLAND - Chairman, de Pury Pictet Turrettini and Co. Ltd. Rockefeller, David - USA - ADVISORY - Chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank International Advisory Committee Schrempp, Jurgen E. - D - Chairman of the Board of Management, Daimler-Benz AG. Seidenfaden, Toger - DK - Editor in Chief, Politiken A/S Taylor, J. Martin - GB - Group Chief Executive, Barclays plc. Vranitzky, Franz - A - Former Federal Chancellor Wolfensohn, James D. - INT - REP: USA/INT - President, the World Bank; President, James D. Wolfensohn, Inc. Yost, Casimir A. - USA - REP: USA - Director, Institute for the Study of Diplomacy, School of Foreign Service, Georgetown University, Washington; Executive Director, The Asia Foundation's Center for Asian-Pacific Affairs

96-99:Collomb, Bertrand - F - Chairman and CEO, Lafarge David, George A. - GR - Chairman of the Board, Hellenic Bottling Company S.A. Wolff von Amerongen, Otto - D - ADVISORY - Chairman and CEO of Otto Wolff GmbH

95-98:Agnelli, Giovanni - I - ADVISORY - Honorary Chairman, Fiat S.p.A. Davignon, Etienne - B - STEERING: CHAIRMAN, REP: BELGIUM - Executive Chairman, Societe Generale de Belgique; Former Vice Chairman of the Commission of the European Communities Levy-Lang, Andre - F - Chairman of the Board of Management, Banque Paribas. Sutherland, Peter D. - IRL - REP: IRELAND - Chairman and Managing Director, Goldman Sachs International; Former Director General, GATT and WTO. Wolfowitz, Paul - USA - Dean, Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (see The Challenge of Managing Uncertainty: Paul Wolfowitz on Intelligence Policy-Relations)

notables:Spain, Her Majesty the Queen of - 96 - ES Sweden, His Majesty the King of - 98 - S Lipponen, Paavo - 98 - FIN - Prime Minister Ahtisaari, Martti - 95,96 - FI - President of the Republic of Finland Oddsson, David - 97 - ICE - Prime Minister. Chretien, Jean - 96 - CDN - Prime Minister Harris, Michael - 96 - CDN - Premier of Ontario Klein, Ralph - 95 - Premier of Alberta Brittan, Leon - 98 - INT - Vice President of the European Commission Almunia Amann, Joaquin - 98 - E - Secretary General, Socialist Party

Rothschild, Evelyn de - 98 - GB - Chairman, N M Rothschild and Sons Rothschild, Emma - 95 - Dir Ctr for History and Economics Cambridge Soros, George - 96 - USA - President, Soros Fund Management Lamont, Norman - 95 - MP, Fmr Chan Excq, Director of N.M. Rothschild Crockett, Andrew - 98 - INT - General Manager, Bank for International Settlements Victor, Alice - 96 - USA - RRR - Executive Assistant, Rockefeller Financial Services, Inc. McDonough, William J. - 97,98 - USA - President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York Feldstein, Martin S. - 96,98 - USA - President and CEO, National Bureau of Economic Research Inc. Kopper, Hilmar - 95,98 - D - REP: GERMANY - Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Deutsche Bank A.G. Roll, Lord of Ipsden - none - GB - ADVISORY - President, S. G. Warburg Group plc.

Deutch, John M. - 98 - USA - Institute Professor, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Dept. of Chemistry. Former Director General, Central Intelligence Agency; Former Deputy Secretary of Defence
Soderberg, Nancy - 95 - Dep Asst to President for NSA Berger, Samuel R. - 97 - USA - Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. Stephanopoulos, George - 96,97 - USA - Visiting Professor, Columbia University, Former Senior Advisor to the President for Policy and Strategy. Beugel, Ernst H van der - 97,98 - NL - ADVISORY - Emeritus Professor of International Relations, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings for Europe and Canada Griffin, Anthony G.S. - 96 - CDN - ADVISORY - Honorary Chairman and Director, Guardian Group Chubais, Anatoli B. - 98 - RUS - Former First Vice Prime Minister; Chairman RAO EES Buckley, Jr., William F. - 96 - USA - Editor-at-Large, National Review Ball, George W. - none - USA - ADVISORY - Former Under-Secretary of State. Bundy, William P. - none - USA - ADVISORY - Former Editor, Foreign Affairs. Elliott, Theodore L., Jr. - none - USA - STEERING: SECRETARY GENERAL FOR USA - Dean Emeritus, The Fletcher School of Law & Diplomacy; Former US Ambassador. Jankowitsch, Peter - none - A - REP: AUSTRIA - Member of Parliament, Former Foreign Minister. Lacharrére, Marc Lardreit de - none - F - REP: FRANCE - Chairman, Fimalac. Carras, Costa - 96,97 - GB - REP: GREECE - Director of Companies Monti, Mario - 96 - INT - REP: ITALY - Commissioner, European Communities, Rector and Professor of Economics, Bocconi University, Milan. Ruggiero, Renato - 96 - INT - REP: ITALY - Director General, World Trade Organization; Former Minister of Trade Knight, Andrew - 95,96 - GB - REP: UNITED KINGDOM - Executive Chairman, News International plc. Mathias, Charles McC. - none - USA - REP: USA - Partner, Jones, Day, Reavis & Pogue; Former US Senator (Republican, Maryland). Whitehead, Rozanne C. - none - USA - REP: USA - Former Deputy Secretary of State. Williams, Lynn R. - none - USA - REP: USA - International President, United Steel- Workers of America.

I have also created a complete alphabetically sorted list of all '95-'99 attendees.

Read here the documents presented at Bilderberg '99.

from The News, 1999-May-1:

From http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/bilderberg.html#metatop

Posted by the colective hater @ 11/06/2003 05:25 AM EST


Religions or philosophies should work for the people - not the other way around.

These are not my own words but I am of the same mind...

"Since our lifetime is an accumulation of moments, the most important thing is the state of life we assume at each moment. Eternity consists of moments, and each moment has a lifetime condensed in it. Hence our state of life from moment to moment determines the overall course of our life. This, more broadly, is the key to changing one's karma. When we value each moment and live actively, enthusiastically, ready to greet the next moment, we go through a state of life and death free from suffering and directed toward enlightenment. If not, we will have to go through lifetime after lifetime in the six paths (from Hell to Rapture), passing from one dark state to another. That is why we must embrace Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, the Law which penetrates the ultimate in life and death. Only this Law will enable us to attain the state of life in which it is possible to live eternity in a single moment."

Individual lives are more precious than nations

Peace.

Posted by seeninvisible @ 11/06/2003 02:33 PM EST


Up yours, voxfool. Everything you are spewing forth is a lie, and you know it. Bush is the best President we have had in ages. After he gets re-elected, you and all the other bong-gurgling anarchist thugs will need twice as much wacky weed to escape reality. This website is wicked and evil. I hereby rebuke it. Now crawl back into the clump of tree rot that you originally sprang from.

Posted by Flashlight @ 11/16/2003 06:59 PM EST


THE RISE AND THE FALL OF THE USA

DESTINY IS SLOWLY CROSSING YOUR NATION
SHE,S WRAPPED IN SILK AND A SOMBRE FROWN
YOU HAVE ALTERED THE WORLD AT EVERY STATION
BUT SOON THERE WILL BE FEAR IN TOWN

WHITEHOUSE RATS ARE ROAMING THE ATTIC
TERMITES ARE EATING ALL THE WOOD
BUSH,S SPEECHES ARE COMPOSED AND DRAMATIC
BUT BY IGNORANCE IT WON,T BE UNDERSTOOD

YOU KEEP HANDGUNS IN YOUR CLOSETS
AND GRENADES IN ALL YOUR CARS
DIRTY DEALS ARE CHANGING HANDS FOR CASH DEPOSITS
IN YOUR ALLEYS AND YOUR BARS

THERES A SHADOW OF DOOM IN YOUR CITIES
FROZEN SMILES AND BROKEN HEARTS
NERVES ARE TENSE AND ITS A PITY
CAUSE YOU WON,T KNOW WHEN IT STARTS

THERE ARE DRAGONS IN YOUR PARLOUR
THEIR BELLIES FILLED WITH YANKEE MEAT
YOU CAN HEAR THE DYING HOLLER
BUT YOU,RE FROZEN IN YOUR SEAT

CONGRESS WILL SCORN YOUR TEARS AND WORRY
WHILE THEY PRETEND TO BE SO BRAVE AND SMUG
ALL THE TIME THEY ARE REALLY IN A HURRY
SWEEPING BONES BENEATH THE RUG

NOW THE DRAGONS HAVE DIGESTED
AND THEIR GREED IS ON THE WAKE
WHILE THEIR BANKERS HAVE INVESTED
IN WHAT THEY KNOW WILL BE A CERTAIN STAKE

THERES A CRISIS ON YOUR BORDERS
SUMMON ALL YOUR MILITARY MEN
THE PUPPET BUSH WILL SEND HIS ORDERS
TO BE FOLLOWED WHO KNOWS WHEN

YOUR POLITICIANS WILL POCKET THE JACKPOT
BUT THEY WILL SCATTER TO THE WIND
WAITING FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL CRACKPOT
WHO HAS PROMISED ALL THAT THEY WILL WIN

NOW YOUR ADD MEN JOIN THE RACKET
WITH COMMERCIALS FOR YOUR KIDS
COMMON SENSE AND THE ONES WHO LACK IT
RUN UP FAST TO PLACE THEIR BIDS

HERE IS BUSH YOUR PERFECT POLITICIAN
LIES SMOTHERED IN HONEY AS BEFORE
HE IS LOOKING FOR CHENEY HIS CHIEF TECHNICIAN
WHO CAN ORCHESTRATE ANOTHER WAR

YOUR ARE GETTING ULCERS IN YOUR BELLY
AND YOUR ARE LOOKING FOR A FIX
THERE ARE MAGGOTS IN YOUR JELLY
ASK YOURSELF? WHO CONJURED UP THESE TRICKS

THERES A SHADOW ACROSS YOUR NATION
THATS ECLIPSING COMMON SENSE
ITS LIKE A DARK INTOXICATION
THE ATMOSPHERE OF DEATH IS DENSE

THE CODE WILL BE WRITTEN BY FATHER AND SON
AND WILL BE VALID FOR ALL OF US UNDER THE SUN
UNCLE SAM AND HIS CRONIES SURE KNOW HOW TO PRANCE
THEY WILL JOIN FORCES AND TEACH US ALL HOW TO DANCE

YOU,LL TRY TO GIVE US ALL A GLOBAL RESIDENCE FILE
THAT THE CIA CAN REACH ON A SIMPLE DIAL
YOUR TECHNOLOGY IS USED FOR INTERNATIONAL STRIFE
YOU WANT TO HARNESS AND GOVERN ALL IN OUR LIFE

THEY TELL YOU ITS AN HONOUR TO DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRIES SAKE
BUT THEIR CLAIMS ARE ALL FALSE AND THEIR HONOUR IS FAKE
YOU HAVE ALL BEEN BRAINWASHED AND LED ASTRAY
WHILE YOUR LEADERS PROCLAIM THEY ARE THE LIGHT AND THE WAY

YOUR WEALTH IS NOT FOUNDED ON FREE HONEST TRADE
YOUR TOOL IS EXTORTION AND THATS HOW YOU GET PAID
AND WHAT YOU HAND BACK IS ONLY WHAT YOU THINK IS DUE
TO MAKE EVERY NATION DEPENDENT ON YOU

YOU USE ALL THAT IS GOOD AND LIKEWISE THE WORST
TO QUENCH YOUR INSATIABLE POWER THIRST
YOU STEAL WHAT YOU CAN AND MAKE IT ALL YOURS
FOR THIS KIND OF GREED THERE ARE NO CURES

YOU APPOINT YOURSELVES WORLD JUDGES
ENDOWED WITH YOUR DEMOCRATIC KEYS
OPENING THE GATES OF HEAVEN AND HELL
AS YOU TRY TO DETERMINE ALL OUR DESTINIES

YOU ARE FORGETTING WHERE ITS WRITTEN
THAT THE BLIND CANNOT LEAD THE BLIND
THE MEEK WILL INHERIT THE EARTH
AND WHOMSOEVER SEEKS SHALL FIND

JUST LIKE THE ROMANS EXPLOITING THEIR TIMES
TO YOU DAMNED YANKEES DISHING OUT YOUR NICKELS AND DIMES
YOU WILL ALL BE SENTENCED TO EVERLASTING HELL
FOR THERE ARE MANY OF US WHO WON,T FALL UNDER YOUR SPELL.

Posted by aussiegirl @ 11/20/2003 05:01 PM EST


THE RISE AND THE FALL OF THE USA

DESTINY IS SLOWLY CROSSING YOUR NATION
SHE,S WRAPPED IN SILK AND A SOMBRE FROWN
YOU HAVE ALTERED THE WORLD AT EVERY STATION
BUT SOON THERE WILL BE FEAR IN TOWN

WHITEHOUSE RATS ARE ROAMING THE ATTIC
TERMITES ARE EATING ALL THE WOOD
BUSH,S SPEECHES ARE COMPOSED AND DRAMATIC
BUT BY IGNORANCE IT WON,T BE UNDERSTOOD

YOU KEEP HANDGUNS IN YOUR CLOSETS
AND GRENADES IN ALL YOUR CARS
DIRTY DEALS ARE CHANGING HANDS FOR CASH DEPOSITS
IN YOUR ALLEYS AND YOUR BARS

THERES A SHADOW OF DOOM IN YOUR CITIES
FROZEN SMILES AND BROKEN HEARTS
NERVES ARE TENSE AND ITS A PITY
CAUSE YOU WON,T KNOW WHEN IT STARTS

THERE ARE DRAGONS IN YOUR PARLOUR
THEIR BELLIES FILLED WITH YANKEE MEAT
YOU CAN HEAR THE DYING HOLLER
BUT YOU,RE FROZEN IN YOUR SEAT

CONGRESS WILL SCORN YOUR TEARS AND WORRY
WHILE THEY PRETEND TO BE SO BRAVE AND SMUG
ALL THE TIME THEY ARE REALLY IN A HURRY
SWEEPING BONES BENEATH THE RUG

NOW THE DRAGONS HAVE DIGESTED
AND THEIR GREED IS ON THE WAKE
WHILE THEIR BANKERS HAVE INVESTED
IN WHAT THEY KNOW WILL BE A CERTAIN STAKE

THERES A CRISIS ON YOUR BORDERS
SUMMON ALL YOUR MILITARY MEN
THE PUPPET BUSH WILL SEND HIS ORDERS
TO BE FOLLOWED WHO KNOWS WHEN

YOUR POLITICIANS WILL POCKET THE JACKPOT
BUT THEY WILL SCATTER TO THE WIND
WAITING FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL CRACKPOT
WHO HAS PROMISED ALL THAT THEY WILL WIN

NOW YOUR ADD MEN JOIN THE RACKET
WITH COMMERCIALS FOR YOUR KIDS
COMMON SENSE AND THE ONES WHO LACK IT
RUN UP FAST TO PLACE THEIR BIDS

HERE IS BUSH YOUR PERFECT POLITICIAN
LIES SMOTHERED IN HONEY AS BEFORE
HE IS LOOKING FOR CHENEY HIS CHIEF TECHNICIAN
WHO CAN ORCHESTRATE ANOTHER WAR

YOUR ARE GETTING ULCERS IN YOUR BELLY
AND YOUR ARE LOOKING FOR A FIX
THERE ARE MAGGOTS IN YOUR JELLY
ASK YOURSELF? WHO CONJURED UP THESE TRICKS

THERES A SHADOW ACROSS YOUR NATION
THATS ECLIPSING COMMON SENSE
ITS LIKE A DARK INTOXICATION
THE ATMOSPHERE OF DEATH IS DENSE

THE CODE WILL BE WRITTEN BY FATHER AND SON
AND WILL BE VALID FOR ALL OF US UNDER THE SUN
UNCLE SAM AND HIS CRONIES SURE KNOW HOW TO PRANCE
THEY WILL JOIN FORCES AND TEACH US ALL HOW TO DANCE

YOU,LL TRY TO GIVE US ALL A GLOBAL RESIDENCE FILE
THAT THE CIA CAN REACH ON A SIMPLE DIAL
YOUR TECHNOLOGY IS USED FOR INTERNATIONAL STRIFE
YOU WANT TO HARNESS AND GOVERN ALL IN OUR LIFE

THEY TELL YOU ITS AN HONOUR TO DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRIES SAKE
BUT THEIR CLAIMS ARE ALL FALSE AND THEIR HONOUR IS FAKE
YOU HAVE ALL BEEN BRAINWASHED AND LED ASTRAY
WHILE YOUR LEADERS PROCLAIM THEY ARE THE LIGHT AND THE WAY

YOUR WEALTH IS NOT FOUNDED ON FREE HONEST TRADE
YOUR TOOL IS EXTORTION AND THATS HOW YOU GET PAID
AND WHAT YOU HAND BACK IS ONLY WHAT YOU THINK IS DUE
TO MAKE EVERY NATION DEPENDENT ON YOU

YOU USE ALL THAT IS GOOD AND LIKEWISE THE WORST
TO QUENCH YOUR INSATIABLE POWER THIRST
YOU STEAL WHAT YOU CAN AND MAKE IT ALL YOURS
FOR THIS KIND OF GREED THERE ARE NO CURES

YOU APPOINT YOURSELVES WORLD JUDGES
ENDOWED WITH YOUR DEMOCRATIC KEYS
OPENING THE GATES OF HEAVEN AND HELL
AS YOU TRY TO DETERMINE ALL OUR DESTINIES

YOU ARE FORGETTING WHERE ITS WRITTEN
THAT THE BLIND CANNOT LEAD THE BLIND
THE MEEK WILL INHERIT THE EARTH
AND WHOMSOEVER SEEKS SHALL FIND

JUST LIKE THE ROMANS EXPLOITING THEIR TIMES
TO YOU DAMNED YANKEES DISHING OUT YOUR NICKELS AND DIMES
YOU WILL ALL BE SENTENCED TO EVERLASTING HELL
FOR THERE ARE MANY OF US WHO WON,T FALL UNDER YOUR SPELL.

Posted by aussiegirl @ 11/20/2003 05:01 PM EST


THE RISE AND THE FALL OF THE USA

DESTINY IS SLOWLY CROSSING YOUR NATION
SHE,S WRAPPED IN SILK AND A SOMBRE FROWN
YOU HAVE ALTERED THE WORLD AT EVERY STATION
BUT SOON THERE WILL BE FEAR IN TOWN

WHITEHOUSE RATS ARE ROAMING THE ATTIC
TERMITES ARE EATING ALL THE WOOD
BUSH,S SPEECHES ARE COMPOSED AND DRAMATIC
BUT BY IGNORANCE IT WON,T BE UNDERSTOOD

YOU KEEP HANDGUNS IN YOUR CLOSETS
AND GRENADES IN ALL YOUR CARS
DIRTY DEALS ARE CHANGING HANDS FOR CASH DEPOSITS
IN YOUR ALLEYS AND YOUR BARS

THERES A SHADOW OF DOOM IN YOUR CITIES
FROZEN SMILES AND BROKEN HEARTS
NERVES ARE TENSE AND ITS A PITY
CAUSE YOU WON,T KNOW WHEN IT STARTS

THERE ARE DRAGONS IN YOUR PARLOUR
THEIR BELLIES FILLED WITH YANKEE MEAT
YOU CAN HEAR THE DYING HOLLER
BUT YOU,RE FROZEN IN YOUR SEAT

CONGRESS WILL SCORN YOUR TEARS AND WORRY
WHILE THEY PRETEND TO BE SO BRAVE AND SMUG
ALL THE TIME THEY ARE REALLY IN A HURRY
SWEEPING BONES BENEATH THE RUG

NOW THE DRAGONS HAVE DIGESTED
AND THEIR GREED IS ON THE WAKE
WHILE THEIR BANKERS HAVE INVESTED
IN WHAT THEY KNOW WILL BE A CERTAIN STAKE

THERES A CRISIS ON YOUR BORDERS
SUMMON ALL YOUR MILITARY MEN
THE PUPPET BUSH WILL SEND HIS ORDERS
TO BE FOLLOWED WHO KNOWS WHEN

YOUR POLITICIANS WILL POCKET THE JACKPOT
BUT THEY WILL SCATTER TO THE WIND
WAITING FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL CRACKPOT
WHO HAS PROMISED ALL THAT THEY WILL WIN

NOW YOUR ADD MEN JOIN THE RACKET
WITH COMMERCIALS FOR YOUR KIDS
COMMON SENSE AND THE ONES WHO LACK IT
RUN UP FAST TO PLACE THEIR BIDS

HERE IS BUSH YOUR PERFECT POLITICIAN
LIES SMOTHERED IN HONEY AS BEFORE
HE IS LOOKING FOR CHENEY HIS CHIEF TECHNICIAN
WHO CAN ORCHESTRATE ANOTHER WAR

YOUR ARE GETTING ULCERS IN YOUR BELLY
AND YOUR ARE LOOKING FOR A FIX
THERE ARE MAGGOTS IN YOUR JELLY
ASK YOURSELF? WHO CONJURED UP THESE TRICKS

THERES A SHADOW ACROSS YOUR NATION
THATS ECLIPSING COMMON SENSE
ITS LIKE A DARK INTOXICATION
THE ATMOSPHERE OF DEATH IS DENSE

THE CODE WILL BE WRITTEN BY FATHER AND SON
AND WILL BE VALID FOR ALL OF US UNDER THE SUN
UNCLE SAM AND HIS CRONIES SURE KNOW HOW TO PRANCE
THEY WILL JOIN FORCES AND TEACH US ALL HOW TO DANCE

YOU,LL TRY TO GIVE US ALL A GLOBAL RESIDENCE FILE
THAT THE CIA CAN REACH ON A SIMPLE DIAL
YOUR TECHNOLOGY IS USED FOR INTERNATIONAL STRIFE
YOU WANT TO HARNESS AND GOVERN ALL IN OUR LIFE

THEY TELL YOU ITS AN HONOUR TO DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRIES SAKE
BUT THEIR CLAIMS ARE ALL FALSE AND THEIR HONOUR IS FAKE
YOU HAVE ALL BEEN BRAINWASHED AND LED ASTRAY
WHILE YOUR LEADERS PROCLAIM THEY ARE THE LIGHT AND THE WAY

YOUR WEALTH IS NOT FOUNDED ON FREE HONEST TRADE
YOUR TOOL IS EXTORTION AND THATS HOW YOU GET PAID
AND WHAT YOU HAND BACK IS ONLY WHAT YOU THINK IS DUE
TO MAKE EVERY NATION DEPENDENT ON YOU

YOU USE ALL THAT IS GOOD AND LIKEWISE THE WORST
TO QUENCH YOUR INSATIABLE POWER THIRST
YOU STEAL WHAT YOU CAN AND MAKE IT ALL YOURS
FOR THIS KIND OF GREED THERE ARE NO CURES

YOU APPOINT YOURSELVES WORLD JUDGES
ENDOWED WITH YOUR DEMOCRATIC KEYS
OPENING THE GATES OF HEAVEN AND HELL
AS YOU TRY TO DETERMINE ALL OUR DESTINIES

YOU ARE FORGETTING WHERE ITS WRITTEN
THAT THE BLIND CANNOT LEAD THE BLIND
THE MEEK WILL INHERIT THE EARTH
AND WHOMSOEVER SEEKS SHALL FIND

JUST LIKE THE ROMANS EXPLOITING THEIR TIMES
TO YOU DAMNED YANKEES DISHING OUT YOUR NICKELS AND DIMES
YOU WILL ALL BE SENTENCED TO EVERLASTING HELL
FOR THERE ARE MANY OF US WHO WON,T FALL UNDER YOUR SPELL.

Posted by aussiegirl @ 11/20/2003 05:03 PM EST


regarding flashlights comments we are not all bong gurgling anarchists,you would be surprised, how many of us are just ordinary working people.I for one am an old grandmother,who sits with her friends of same age wishing they could pop bush off every time his face appears on TV.Get educated.

Posted by aussiegirl @ 11/20/2003 05:15 PM EST


Vox, I agree with almost everything you said about religion and I understand your frustration and alienation with a God who seems to allow so much evil in the world.

But if God made our choices for us we would no longer have free will. That's why God blesses us even as we curse him for not being there to save us from our duly elected(?), but fraudulent governments.

If God became visible like a politician and told us how to live our lives, then God would become a dictator too.

It's true, there is no direct evidence of the existence of God - but also no evidence that God doesn't exist either.

I also agree with you, religion is bull. Religions say; we are the middleman and you can't have a relationship with God without our intermediary help.

Anyone with half a brain knows that to be false, and the way those with money and power have tied themselves to the church to manipulate the masses with religious superstition, has led many a good man to evil. You are quite right to be skeptical.

You are right to feel the way you do. All religions are false doctrines until they stop being seen as true religions and are exposed as false belief systems, and then they can be seen for what they are, anachronisms to be grown out of.

But what I have learned the hard way is even when you deny the existence of (diety-name) and deny a relationship with the creator, he/she still has a relationship with you, whether you want to believe it or not.

I am you as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

A chip off the old block is what we are.

I'm trying not to use any of the usual cliches about God either, and the name God maybe needs a update.

How about an abstract concept God of your own invention, and that would make you a (insert diety-name)too. Our true nature has no heresies to persecute.

Supposedly, DNA is unique for each person, so wouldn't God be uniquely personal for each human being? Whatever gets you through the night....

That is what is wrong with religion, one size does not fit all.

The trouble is, in our desire to assert our individuality and dominate nature, we have bought into the idea that God is somehow not variable in his response to us, and that he is somewhere else unreachable, but not here and now.

Kurt Vonnegut in his book 'Mother Night' called God 'The laziest man in town.'

Religion teaches separation from and fear of God. Only the priesthood can 'save' us, with a hefty fuck-you-up-the-ass financial donation of course.

Apparently, God needs money to build his kingdom of heaven and earth, so paupers and poor people will get short shrift when they die and go to heaven, just like they did on earth.

Apparently, only the filthy-rich will stay in opulent surroundings of the Heavenly Realm, and after all they earned it in this lifetime through their good deeds. Shall we list them? Here they are:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000023skidoo

Hey scumbag moneybags! Think God cares how rich and important you were in this life?

'Don't build no heathen temple where the lord done laid his hand, there's a well on the hill...'

Really! Just print some more money then, you religious frauds, everything you do is related to fraud, that's how you got where you are and that's what you are made of, all of you and your church-made of money.

Asking a priest to protect your soul, that's like asking the wolf to protect the sheep, the sheeple who are NOT really sheep at all, but believe they are, because the (insert holy book) told them so.

We are multi-dimensional beings having a human experience. And I don't know about you, but the human part of this experience pisses me off to no end.

What does that mean? Until we learn to stop creating hell on earth we will never know the god within each person or be able to create heaven on earth.

I don't know any more than you do, but I believe in the existence of God. How else could a conscious intelligent being get here, except by the intervention of?

LIGHT!

Clay does not produce intelligence, metaphor is all that is. However, light has been scientifically proven to possess a rudimentary intelligence.

If that is so, and science says electrons can communicate with each other, no matter how far apart they are, then that means the whole universe possesses intelligence.

Now if a lowly electron possesses intelligence enough to communicate with other elctrons, how much intelligence would a sun possess?

And if we are made of the same stuff as the sun that would explain the innate intelligence of nature, because everything is communicating with everything else at a deeper level, which is what our true nature longs to do. No wonder we're all so pissed off!

We think we are separate creations apart from God and nature.

Maybe the problem is that we have compartmentalized God so much that we forget the power is everywhere and waiting to be tapped. They don't have a monopoly on that.

If there's no God, then why is the sun freaking out with sunspots larger than anything we have ever seen before at such a crucial time in human history?

It even says in the bible to look to the heavens for signs. All you have to do is change the angle of the light and a new mentality will appear, one in which selfishness of the megalomaniacal variety will have trouble dealing with it's ill-gotten gains.

Religion has nothing to do with God. The people have been deluded into thinking God exists in a bible or a koran or a bubble, they don't even know the difference between religious theory and the real fact that it's a miracle we exist at all.

A book is just a book, not a living god, and if there is a day of judgement, it's every day, not some pie-in-the-sky future neverland.

Religionists cling to the pantleg of God and they call that security. Ever had a kid that wouldn't let go of your leg and that child thought it was the best way to get your attention?

That's what religionist LITERALISTS are like. I'll bet God would like to shake them loose. We of course wish that God would just call them home, right away please.

Hey, I do know how to pray after all, and I bet I could justify that point of view by eagerly studying the bible with a mind to proving the truth of that statement being the focus of my intent to study it.

In order to prove any fucking point I fucking well please, because that's how they do it. Start with a premise, say God wants to call all idiots home, and look for passages that'll support that premise.

Call them home. I have studied the book and I say God says that right here. I forget which page but it's in there somwhere...

My creed says your creed will burn in hell, and my denomination is better than yours, plus our God has given us WMD. God has given me the right to destroy all you apostates. I just had breakfast with him...

You see how it gets started. They are all certifiable idiots, and insane interpreters of the indecipherable. God is just an abstract concept as long as your bible is god to you.

Most of these stories were written for illiterate peasants, myth being the only way to teach the higher truths.

Unfortunately we have all these Medieval minds coming along giving literal translations to symbolic stories that were meant to be interpreted unconsciously by a simple people, much in the way fairytales are subliminally absorbed by children.

Now we can dispel these myths, we are not a simple people any longer - well some of us anyway.

I think I'll call my religion 'Church Of The Calling You Home'.

Fifty bucks and I'll ship you home in a flag-draped casket. It'll be a sort of cannon-fodder religion.

So many millions snuffed - I mean served...(was that a Bush-type non-sequiter or what?)

Wait, sorry, that's already been done and was so successsful they keep bringing it back for multiple encores and instant replays on CNN.

Believe me, if there's a God, and I think there is, he likes your cursing a whole lot better than the literalist bible thumpers who think they're going to get special treatment in a heaven of their choice, just because they are so pious and holier-than-thou.

The trouble is, most of them are just hippocrites. At least you are honest...that counts for a lot more than fervent superstitious beliefs and parrot pronouncements. Your thoughts are your own. No parrots allowed...

One thing is for certain, religion is the most divisive creed ever to inflict itself on this planet.

You can't tell me that that big golden orb in the sky isn't God's crowning glory and sentient as well.

But if some wacked idiot wants to believe God is on Bush's side in the murder of innocents I suppose it's his right. My own beliefs are not sanctioned by the church though, official gophers for God, nor do they need to be.

Someone tried to convince me once that Jesus and the Devil are like lawyers (imagine that!) who fight over the Devil's right to torment and test souls...petition the Lord with prayer????

What an obscene concept.

But it's also my right to believe God wants the Idiot-boy removed, but he wants us to do it somehow, and is willing to supply the energy to do it on a massive photon wave/particle scale.

That's why the upsurge in authority haters. We are getting an energy boost! God is light...illumination and we are the manifestation of change.

This upsurge in energy to fight tyranny is related to the sun's energy and it's recent freaking out phase. That is my belief.

But hey, maybe I'm just as wacked as a fundamentalist, though my beliefs are not necessarily static anymore.

We are all facets of God, even Bush, God help us. God even gave him the choice to act like a village idiot or not.

Would that there were anyone else more fitting to make the right choices than this one, who is so incapable of unselfish service to humanity.

He may even be redeemable - at your local 7/11 is my guess. How much is an empty vessel worth these days?

Obviously there are things we are incapable of understanding at this point in our evolution. Why the nasty shubbery?

How is it the scum always seems to rise to the surface instead of the cream?

Religion is reverse-engineered social darwinism.

No wonder there are athiests, at least they are healthy skeptics and not credulous believers in a one-size-fits-all creed.

Posted by screade @ 11/22/2003 03:32 AM EST


More reasons for revolution:

www.deckofbush.com

www.chickenhawkcards.com


54 reasons NOT to re-elect the un-elected FRAUD.


The Republican CHICKENHAWKS of America.

Spread the word. Great facts in both and great reference next time you are stuck debating that idiot concervative.

Posted by Tom Varveris @ 12/02/2003 01:58 AM EST


this is interesting

http://69.56.224.90/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=40847

Posted by Ed @ 12/04/2003 08:39 AM EST


At the very end of this PDF document is a citizen's 3-minute address concerning the events of 9/11:

http://www.county.allegheny.pa.us/council/minutes/2003/meet231216.pdf

Posted by beabt @ 02/13/2004 08:07 PM EST


Salaams,Aussie Girl.Great poem.

To the Yanks- Where was your name and YOU Yanks when Bush made it to the White House?

Posted by Cogito @ 03/09/2004 10:03 AM EST


Salaams,Aussie Girl.Great poem.

To the Yanks- Where was your name and YOU Yanks when Bush made it to the White House?

Posted by Cogito @ 03/09/2004 10:05 AM EST


Why are american people so dumb. Why they can't figure out that this person (a statue) is simply doing worst for them. Now not only everybody hate america only because of Bush but also it has left huge marks on their hearts. Do you think people like Hitler after what he has done? is bush not doing the same ? If you don't agree then I think you don't have brain to think

Posted by Rob Gow @ 03/18/2004 10:27 PM EST


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Posted by rahopy @ 03/19/2004 04:31 PM EST


"Let Them Eat War" by Bad Religion
from their new album, "The Empire Strikes First"

There's a prophet on a mountain and he's making up dinner with long division and a riding crop: anybody can feel like a winner when it's served up piping hot. But the people aren't looking for a handout, they're America's working corps, can this be what they voted for?

Let them eat war! Let them eat war! That's how to ration the poor.
Let them eat war! Let them eat war! There's an urgent need to feed declining pride.

From the force to the union shops, the war economy is making new jobs, but the people who benefit most are breaking bread with their benevolent host who never stole from the rich to give to the poor, all he ever gave to them was a war, and a foreign enemy to deplore.

Let them eat war! Let them eat war! That's how to ration the poor.
Let them eat war! Let them eat war! There's an urgent need to feed declining pride.

We've got to kill 'em and eat 'em before they reach for their checks,
squeeze some blue collars make 'em bleed from their necks,
sieze a few dollars from the people who sweat,
'cause it's freedom or debt and they won't question it.
at a jobsite, the boss is godlike
conditioned workhorses park at a stoplight
seasoned vets with their feet in nets
a stone's throw away from a rock fight, but not tonight
feed 'em death

here comes another ration
'cause they're the finest in the nation
when there's nothing left to feed 'em with, it's freedom, or it's death!

Let them eat war! Let them eat war! That's how to ration the poor.
Let them eat war! Let them eat war! There's an urgent need to feed.

Posted by simian @ 06/24/2004 02:12 AM EST


"Let Them Eat War" by Bad Religion
from their new album, "The Empire Strikes First"

There's a prophet on a mountain and he's making up dinner with long division and a riding crop: anybody can feel like a winner when it's served up piping hot. But the people aren't looking for a handout, they're America's working corps, can this be what they voted for?

Let them eat war! Let them eat war! That's how to ration the poor.
Let them eat war! Let them eat war! There's an urgent need to feed declining pride.

From the force to the union shops, the war economy is making new jobs, but the people who benefit most are breaking bread with their benevolent host who never stole from the rich to give to the poor, all he ever gave to them was a war, and a foreign enemy to deplore.

Let them eat war! Let them eat war! That's how to ration the poor.
Let them eat war! Let them eat war! There's an urgent need to feed declining pride.

We've got to kill 'em and eat 'em before they reach for their checks,
squeeze some blue collars make 'em bleed from their necks,
sieze a few dollars from the people who sweat,
'cause it's freedom or debt and they won't question it.
at a jobsite, the boss is godlike
conditioned workhorses park at a stoplight
seasoned vets with their feet in nets
a stone's throw away from a rock fight, but not tonight
feed 'em death

here comes another ration
'cause they're the finest in the nation
when there's nothing left to feed 'em with, it's freedom, or it's death!

Let them eat war! Let them eat war! That's how to ration the poor.
Let them eat war! Let them eat war! There's an urgent need to feed.

Posted by simian @ 06/24/2004 02:14 AM EST


Well, if this artical is correct. If Bush is evil and America has lost its checks and balances. If we are helpless creatures to the new voting holocaust. If there is no god then I am all for the Bush administration because then this is the end of our lives and there is nothing to repent for. We live well in the US and we should grab all the money and wealth in the world and live like kings before we are snuffed out of existance forever. After all there will be no consequence for are actions.

Posted by Richard @ 10/09/2004 07:26 PM EST


Well, if this artical is correct. If Bush is evil and America has lost its checks and balances. If we are helpless creatures to the new voting holocaust. If there is no god then I am all for the Bush administration because then this is the end of our lives and there is nothing to repent for. We live well in the US and we should grab all the money and wealth in the world and live like kings before we are snuffed out of existance forever. After all there will be no consequence for are actions.

Posted by Richard @ 10/09/2004 07:29 PM EST


Well, if this artical is correct. If Bush is evil and America has lost its checks and balances. If we are helpless creatures to the new voting holocaust. If there is no god then I am all for the Bush administration because then this is the end of our lives and there is nothing to repent for. We live well in the US and we should grab all the money and wealth in the world and live like kings before we are snuffed out of existance forever. After all there will be no consequence for are actions.

Posted by Richard @ 10/09/2004 07:29 PM EST


ummm ok first of all stop the bushbashing i just read something you are lying like an idiot bush does not control the media about 87 percent of the media was for kerry stop spewing lies the american people are not falling for it!! the majority of americans ARE AGAINST abortion and gay marriage!! Christian voters came to the polls this time.... we are sick of micheal moore and his lies someone needs to stop it!!

Posted by chad the great @ 11/10/2004 11:23 PM EST


If it wasn't for Americans fighting in Wars, there would be a lot of Country that would not let you voice your opinion, like this one.

Posted by Ken @ 11/17/2004 12:12 PM EST


If it wasn't for Americans fighting in Wars, there would be a lot of Country that would not let you voice your opinion, like this one.

Posted by Ken @ 11/17/2004 12:12 PM EST

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