11/14/2003 Entry: "GEORGE BUSH - THE WORLD'S BIGGEST FUCK UP - EVER by voxfux"



GEORGE BUSH - "The Worlds Biggest Fuck Up - Ever"
The Destruction of America Continues
by voxfux

Bush is an Idiot

Undoubtedly George W. Bush is the worst fuck-up in the entire history of fuck-ups. Never in US history has there been a politician who has so completely, devastated the economy of the United States and imperiled so many future generations of American citizens as this war profiteering scum, George W. Bush.
Never in the history of the world can one find a single world figure who was as blustering and blundering an idiot as this colossally blundering retard, George W. Bush.
In fact even Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin ladin have never proven to be as incredibly inept to the point of near certifiable retardation as the globally hated retard, George W. Bush.
Try to name just ONE SINGLE THING in George W. Bushes ENTIRE LIFE that he didn't completely fuck-up. You cannot. And do you know why? Because there has never been a single venture or business or political office or anything in his life in which he has done anything other than completely fuck it up.

Starting in 1975 when Osama Bin Laden's older brother Saleem financed the young George Bush in his very first business with his very own oil company, Arbusto Energy Inc. Which the young Bush promptly drained of all it's cash and drove straight into the ground while extracting delirious profits for himself, to the present day where he exhibits the same pattern of sneaking in, then looting and driving the thing straight into the ground - George Bush is consistent about one thing - He fucks things up big time, and loses money for everyone else, yet extracts delerious profits for himself and key buddies of his. It's what the Bushes are designed to do - it is all they have ever done.

George Bush Jr. was designed from the beginning to fuck up, and fuck up BIG TIME and rip everyone off - and cash in. Oh there is one other fuck-up who comes in a close second place to Bush Jr. His dad. Remember that fuck-up? He's the fuck up who didn't finish the job in Iraq the first time. He's the fuck up who thought that it would be a great idea to not harm Saddam - presumably so that his retarded son could come along years later and have have another four year stint at US Treasury looting just like his dad did.

HOLY SHIT - THESE TWO GUYS ARE THE WORLDS TWO BIGGEST FUCK-UPS EVER. Hands down. No competition.

But wait a second though - These two fucking reptiles are both descendants from Prescott Bush, who it took an act of Congress to get to stop HELPING THE NAZI WAR EFFORT. And even after the congressional act to stop Prescott from trading with the enemy, he still continued to trade with the enemy.
Remember this - ONCE A NAZI, ALWAYS A NAZI.

But wait there's more...

Apparently the ELITE secret society that is at the core of the Bush family, the Secret Scull and Bones Society, was founded on money from Americas largest OPIUM TRAFFICKING SYNDICATE.
It was founded by the Connecticut opium trafficking kingpin William Harrison Russell in 1832. And considering George Bushes Sr. sneaky sociopathic yuppiesque history it becomes very suspicious considering his nick name for decades - "Poppy."

Just what, "Poppy" really means considering the history of Bush, the origins of their fortunes and their contempt for the law and their elitist daring to thumb their nose at all but the elite few, should have raised alarm bells long ago. But there is no one to investigate them. For George Bush Senior, being the Director of Central Intelligence, then Vice President, then President - there is simply no one who can even touch him.

But thank god that as every generation proceeds these Bushes, like all spoiled little shits, are getting dumber and dumber and more pathetic with each passing generation. Now, it seems they are all alcoholics and/or drug attics. Lets hope they finish themselves off. But we will probably not be so lucky.

Americans must storm the White House with massive waves of protest - Unrelenting protest day and night, unceasing and unyielding, until the White House is surrounded day and night and we demonstrate to the world that the American people are very definitely not united with this murderous war profiteering scum - This little sociopathic daddies boy.

And then we need to turn our enmity to the scum in the US media who forced little retard on us, for it is the scum in the US media who might actually be most to blame for opening the gates to this human scum.

And remember this, there are companies out there with names like Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Grumman, Carlyle, Bechtel, Wackenhut and many others who will KILL AMERICANS who get in the way of the Bushes. These companies are lethal killing machines and they LOVE the Bushes. The Bushes have a long term plan of terror and theft of power that I fear will last many generations to come. And these power hungry terrorists will always find eager accomplices in these military, intelligence and defense corporations who will execute strategic terror attacks on Americans so that once again a Bush can step up to be a hero and, "protect us." - Then loot the treasury as usual.

This fuckin' retard, Bush, thought he could loot BOTH the US treasury AND the oil-fields of Iraq - achieving a pirate's double whammy. Well he was right about the US Treasury. And it's a job well done. The entire wealth of this nation has been looted from the US Treasury and transfered to a few key industrialists linked to his dad, George Sr.

But boy did this fuck-up, (George Jr.) fuck up big time and miscalculate thinking he and his buddies could cash in and loot the oil fields of Iraq as well as the US Treasury. It looks like it's not going to happen. Looks like he fucked up just like his dad did over a decade ago. There's no way that Bush and his team of oil looters could loot those oil fields when practically every man woman and child (Freedom Fighters) are firing rocket propelled grenades at the looters. It's one thing for this asshole Bush and his daddies pet reptile, Rumsfeld, to pay their old buddies down at the Hill and Knowleton public relations firm (Lie firm) to hire some poor shiite kids to throw flowers at the troops during carefully orchestrated staged media fake outs with the cooperation of CNN and all the other American Lie News organizations in order to FAKE OUT the American people into a feel good mood to trick us into thinking that we are "Liberators" (While Bush and his dad would presumably be 'Liberating" Iraq of it's oil wealth). But when the reality sets in that it was all a trick and that the looting plan failed what should the penalty to George and his fuckin' evil father be for all the US blood spilled and all this American wealth wasted on their little "fake out?"

I believe we need to start talking about punishment for George W. Bush and his father. I believe we need to start talking in terms of a trial for TREASON.

It is important to remember this fact: That re-election is not so important to the Bushes - it never has been. For, the Bushes have always known that they could accomplish their real objective (which is to plunder the US Treasury through the provocation of a few key middle east wars.) in only one term. But now with the windfall kickbacks from that 87 billion in place coupled with those NEW AND IMPROVED REPUBLICAN MANUFACTURED ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES INSTALLED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY re-election is even less of a concern - It is a sure thing. But one has to ask themselves why would Bush want another term - there will soon be nothing left to steal from the American people. They have already sucked this generation dry and two future generations as well.

The real objective all along is and always was: to get at the money in the US Treasury. For that is the prize above all others. For the US treasury is the biggest treasure on the plant earth...

Well, not anymore.

And it would be one thing if that money was looted to build infrastructure here in America or to build and expand the information superhighway so that we can finally learn the truth about reality and free ourselves from the archaic communications modalities of the TV paradigm, which reduces populations to fearful obese shitheads cowering under the very filth who exploits them, completely obliterating their mind, body and spirit all under the shallow pathetic rubric of "The Free Market."

But instead all of Americas wealth was transfered to Bushes dad's buddies in the defense industry and wasted spent bombing wedding parties in foreign countries and blowing off the arms and legs of little children in Iraq and Afghanistan and earning the hatred of the entire planet, and causing PERMANENT damage to America's credibility, stature and future. And even though there is a total blackout, by the scum of the American Media, of the images of this American caused holocaust and this reality of a world united against America, this is not the case everywhere else. Everywhere else, the photographs of the little children who's arms and legs have been blown off, or whose, whose lives have been snuffed out, are on the FRONT PAGE. Bush and his gang of treasury looters and war profiteers pseudo (fake) religious scumbags, have used the wealth of this once great nation to piss off the entire planet. America is now HATED throughout the world and your taxpayers' dollars paid for it. And your American media (scum) made it a reality by keeping the truth about what is really happening buried beneath a mountain of lies, lies, lies. America has become a lie, at least the official America. Everything on the television is a lie. And all the major newspapers are lies.

Someday if it is ever possible to clean the current scum from the White House our problems with the Bushes will not be over. For as long as ANY male progeny of George Bush Sr. is alive and breathing air, America will be under the threat of the terrorist schemes of the military, intelligence and defense industrialists. For there is no other family in America who is such an attractive magnet for evil than the Bushes. No other family name can symbolize and represent the evil military, intelligence and defense industrialists so fully and completely than the name Bush. These industrialist profiteers will never rest until they suck every last drop of blood from every man woman and child in America. And when these lizards have sucked each and every American dry, the sucking will still not stop there. For these lizards represent the very purest form of evil anywhere on the planet earth - they will suck on every dog and cat and rat and tree and rock and river and mountain and any and all things that move or don't move and they will keep sucking and sucking until they consume and obliterate the earth. They are not human beings - They are the very essence of evil. Until George Bush the senior is in his grave, and unless George Jr. is in prison, the United States is forever in jeopardy of continued inside terrorist attacks. So we must unrelentingly track and follow every single male offspring of the Bushes. Their activities and whereabouts must be microscopically scrutinized. The Bushes represent the masthead of all that is evil in the United States of America. Remove the Bushes from the scenario and America goes a long way towards healing and getting back on track.

Know your enemy
Fight the big fight
Smash the TV
And get the fuck off your knees

voxfux

Viewer Commentary: 184 comments


What's the penalty for treason? Hmm. Good thing Bush believes in that penalty.

Posted by sammy @ 11/14/2003 02:22 AM EST


The Poppy reference is a startling revelation. There is a certain arrogance among these Bush types who think they are imbued with a carte blanche ticket to do whatever they want. Bush knew full well that because he is from Texas that if anyone ever made the Opium connection to his nick name that he could easily write it off as more meaning it was the spanish vernacular "poppy" But to those in the elite and in the CIA who have a VERY REAL history of illicit drug trafficing this double entendre would not go unnoticed. Like you say, Vox, it is a very real thumbing of the nose at the world. There is no doubt that under the taliban, opium production came to a halt, but since Bush and his CIA entered the region, Afghanistan has had the BIGGEST CROP OF OPIUM IN IT'S HISTORY. Looks like the CIA and the Bushes will have more campaign war chest money then might ever dream of.

Great work Vox! Keep connecting the dots and exposing these monsters.

Posted by IntelQ @ 11/14/2003 02:33 AM EST


"It took an act of Congress to stop helping the Nazi war effort"
Even that didn't stop him.
"After the seizures in late 1942 of five US enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President Geoge W Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newely discovered US> government documents reveal.
furthermore, the records show that bush and his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.....
At the same time Bush and the Harrimans were profiting from their Nazi partnerships, W. Averell was serving as President Franklin Delano Roosevelts Personal emmisssary to the United Kingdom during the toughest years mof the war...."
John Buchanan and Stacey Michael. the New Hampshire Gazette 11-10-3

Posted by charlie @ 11/14/2003 03:28 AM EST


I agree that the upcoming election will be a complete wash-out because of the completely fucked voting machine scam. The ONLY way to possibly expose the stolen vote will be exit polls. When there's RADICAL OPPOSITION to exit polling then it will be ABSOLUTELY crucial that exit polling be done. Exit polls that completely don't add up to voting machine results might get shit happening.

Posted by GREATWHITE @ 11/14/2003 04:16 AM EST


You are right. Bush & family are evil incarnate. I have never seen so much malevolence, arrogance and stupidity condensed in one place at one time.
The portion of amerika that is still popping the 'blue pill' needs to wake up & get off their knees ( quit worshipping satan- I.E. Bush & the other demonic side kicks- Limburger, O Really & Rumps failed...)
How can any human being look at his lieing face,and his soul-less eyes and not shudder in horror? Personally I am so repulsed by him that I want to hurl everytime I see his MORONIC face. He is hideous,from the inside out. It starts at his heartless chest & permeates his whole being. Every tyrant before him looks like a choirboy, relatively speaking.
Bush does not even qualify as a man. Real men have courage & character. He has nothing resembling these. He is MONSTER.
He is BEAST.
There are not adequate adjectives to describe this exceeding malevolence. He has not only destroyed amerika. He is destroying the whole world. He is like a vampire, with endless gluttony & greed. He will not stop until he's drained every living thing, and until he runs out of victims. Like the parasite that he is... he will not stop until the host is destroyed. ( I.E. Amerika & the world)

Why can't assholes like him get killed by lightning... Or corinary heart disease? Can't blame me for dreaming.

I agree with the person who posted in another thread... it looks like a good time to leave amerika.

Posted by Truth @ 11/14/2003 09:41 AM EST


Leave America? And go where? They mean for global enslavement for Christ sakes! Where are you planning to go? The moon?

Bush AND his daddy are traitors extra-ordinaire. They are "UNARRESTABLE" because of the legions of dupes in the "grand armee of the republic" they have decieved.

They are WORSE than War Criminals, if you can imagine that. They are WAR CRIMINALS that cannot be CHARGED because NO ONE WILL.

To the ruling elite, they are DARLINGS. To you and me, they are TRAITORS who are ABOVE THE LAW. They put you and me in box to play, while they play outside the box.

In other words, we have to abide by the law, while they don't have to worry about such trivial matters as THE LAW.

Bush needs a heart-attack, but then I think of Cheyney and GASP - I'm not sure which is worse.

Posted by Publicus Patronus Patria @ 11/14/2003 10:05 AM EST


What's the penalty for treason? Hmm. Good thing Bush believes in that penalty.

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yep, should put him into a gas chamber, or would a concentrationcamp do better ?

There is not such a thing as treason in the land of free.

but as I see things land of free does not mean USA. redneck

Posted by Finn. @ 11/14/2003 10:07 AM EST


hi vox,

please tell us how you REALLY FEEL
about this fuck-up?:)

Posted by jhf @ 11/14/2003 10:19 AM EST


vox,

just in case your reader's may not have caught the story about the woman in texas that had a lawsuit against the fuck-up for rape...she was found dead from a bullet wound to the head the other day...interesting tid-bit: on Oct. 25th, mother of the fuck-up, barbara bush told larry king in an interview basically that anyone criticizing her family will be KILLED! read it for yourself on larry king. she is obviously a woman of her word!

Posted by jhf @ 11/14/2003 10:27 AM EST


Well, I agree with everything.
Ive seen the comin storm for many years now and am prepared for the worst. What makes me even MORE upset is explaining this to people in a normal conversation and I get no where. I read it online, but in the "normal world" Im a weirdo.
It boggles my mind that Americans are SO dumb they cant see through the lies.
So, I ask, what will it take? I dont know, vote? Na..didnt work last time cause the winner isnt President. I think it might take something horrible to happen.
Cant even go into specifics cause you never know whos reading the email nowadays...
aliens, WW3? Thats already happening just with no nukes...
everyone is fighting.
Jesus? If ye have faith..whatever...if he's there,
I think its time to visit. I look at the candidates and see no real hope. I look for someone who will stand up and say hey, you know what, this isnt working anymore, too much grey area. Lets get black & white.Lets take a step back. A. Get rid of our dependency of oil...sounds hard but if we can put men into space we can run an engine off of vegtable oil. B. With the DNA forensics nowadays, if you kill, rape or touch a little kid...and there is DNA evidence...your dead...empty siringe, blow some good ole air into your blood system and watch you die. Cheap too, just pick em off the beach.
C. Legalize drugs...everyone is doin it anyways and this administrations family has impoted it for generations. Just tax it...if you wanna OD out on heroin in an apartment..no sweat off my back. Spend the money on education.
D. Social Security..yeah thats what I want to do is give $200 a week to some stranger in wherever....oh my granmother...thats where my money is goin? Well, where is the health care? thats all they need the $$ for anyways...sorry that was bad...Im rambling and pissed and dont have an answer and ready for a sign.
We can write papers on what is wrong about this country and threaten revolution but whos gonna start it?
Me?...thinkin bout it....after all
I live in the state that started it the last time...

Posted by Dogmonsta @ 11/14/2003 10:34 AM EST


As an expat in Europe for ten years, I can tell you that you're right about the American government (but not Americans) being hated. There was an outpouring of love for us after 9-11 - it was beautiful, man. Now that's all gone.

Plus, we Americans abroad who speak out against the Bush Gang are being monitored by "consular officials" from our own embassies - CIA goons filming us on demos and phoning us at stupid times to ask dumb questions about our "loyalties." God knows what sort of information they're trying to gather - I'm just an ordinary guy doing an ordinary job.

A friend from Pasadena who spoke out in Sweden and Spain had three weeks of death threats before the illegal invasion of Iraq - and what do you know, they were traced to a US military installation in Germany. AmeriKans sypying on Americans abroad.

So much for the "Land of Freedom." My country is becoming a fascist-communist dictatorship in all but name. I won't be returning to the States any time soon.

Keep up the fight against this unelected "President" and his treasonous, unamerican and Satanic administration.

Posted by American Expat @ 11/14/2003 10:35 AM EST


"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."

- Bertrand Russell -

Posted by Thor @ 11/14/2003 10:40 AM EST


Taking out the village idiot, Bush, won't get you anywhere.
They will simply recruit another one.
"They" meaning the Puppet masters who hide in, work and direct the whole shit from the shadows.
Their influential power, money en their being anonymous makes them arrogantly believe they are untouchable.
Well let's remind them they are not , touch them, take them the fuck out
Take out their fucking family for three generations.
Scare the shit out of them , show them the consequences of their greedy bloodlust. bring it back to them.
Show them that, if they plan to plunder the world and subdue the people, nobody in their bloodline will live to enjoy it..

Posted by Redeemer @ 11/14/2003 11:03 AM EST


These men Bush and Blair murder our children and our women with impunity, and they say their cause is blessed by God. You do not see on your American television what they are doing to us.

They teach you about the holocaust against the Jews, but they do not show the holocaust against the Muslims. They do not let you see the bodies of our broken men and our disfigured and crippled children, or the wives that weep constantly for their lost ones.

No, we are only Muslims. Our lives are cheap and our pain is worth less than the pain of an American or an Englishman. We are just sand niggers and filth, and you do to us what you will and care not for the consequences of your unspeakable genocide.

But let me tell you that Bush and Blair and their children and their families will all pay with their lives. They will be turned to dust and scattered by the winds North and South, East and West, so that nothing remains of their vile and evil ways.

The blood of our children cries out from the ground for justice; and justice will be done, my friend, justice will be done.

Posted by Sherbaz @ 11/14/2003 11:07 AM EST


Anyone got a list of them?
I wouldnt even know where to start...I would like to see the military turn and say you know what..you want the oil you go die for it. Im all about having a military TO DEFEND YOUR OWN BORDERS!!! But I think if the military leaders came out and turned on these idiots, I think we might be on to somethin. Anyone have any info on Gen. Clark? I know he was a bastard when we bombed Serbia, was it?

Posted by dogmonsta @ 11/14/2003 11:12 AM EST


Sherbaz. Just remember that whatever God you believe in,
they will get there due....
here or in the here-after.

Posted by dogmonsta @ 11/14/2003 11:26 AM EST


I think that the Military-Industrial-Republican complex is probably supplying the "insurgents" in Iraq with RPG's,bullets and missiles to defend themselves against the U.S Military. That way Bush can keep his war on terror going a little longer and he and his buddies can get a lot richer.

Posted by Paul Revere @ 11/14/2003 11:43 AM EST


If the world was ending soon (in the grand scheme of things), would that change anyone’s opinions? All religious fanaticism aside, we live in an era where one person with a briefcase can do as much damage as the Soviet Union could do throughout the entire Cold War. Should the President sit aside and talk tough, but carry a ruler? Clintonesque?? Would you feel the same way if the economy were stronger? (It’s the economy stupid!)
Allow me to play devil’s advocate, but I respect a man who’s willing to put his balls on the line, even if they are being held and nurtured by his daddies cronies. Maybe his balls will be chopped off in the annals of history, or, perhaps they will be bronzed and enshrined on the mantle of presidential glory…kind of like a Mt. Rushmore for testicles..Jimmy Carter certainly isn’t there, but he builds great houses now!
There’s 15 seconds left, we’re down by 4. What do you do? What do you do!??!? Take the hostage out of the equation! Wait, wrong metaphor.
You have to air out that football sometimes and throw it 50 yards down field and take a chance at the big pass. Sure, it may be intercepted, but it could also payoff and be big. Disneyland baby! I have more respect for a man who politically takes chances and puts that ‘ball’ out there than a man who throws an 8 yard sideline pass and hopes for the best. “Hey, I tried coach!”
Why don’t we give peace a chance? Well, cumbaya, hare krishna and let’s all go smoke some dope.
Wake up people, America is Frank Sinatra. The single most loved, hated, venerated, adored, deplored, imitated, mocked and generous nation state that has ever existed. And you don’t get to be ‘Chairman of the Board’ by sitting back and allowing your interests to be threatened.
We are reliving history (do schools still teach that?), reverting to a bi-polar world in which camps are divided into two camps. Us vs. Them. It’s east vs. west. Ottoman Empire, Turks, Holy Roman Empire, Biggie and Tupac.
Even Lenin (not John) acknowledged the fact that a “few eggs needed to be cracked to make an omelet.”
Mmmm, who’s hungry for breakfast? And bring me some pork Dubya!
--just being silly---

Posted by tinyelvis @ 11/14/2003 11:48 AM EST


"I agree that the upcoming election will be a complete wash-out because of the completely fucked voting machine scam. The ONLY way to possibly expose the stolen vote will be exit polls. When there's RADICAL OPPOSITION to exit polling then it will be ABSOLUTELY crucial that exit polling be done. Exit polls that completely don't add up to voting machine results might get shit happening."
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What exit polls? Voter News Service, who correctly called Florida in 2000, decided to call it quits. I wonder who pressured them?

Posted by Dubyah_still_drinkin @ 11/14/2003 12:00 PM EST


I keep coming across money with www.whatreallyhappened.com and www.voxfux.com on it...

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Posted by jhf @ 11/14/2003 12:18 PM EST


I agree with the redeemer.When the rich fucks familys start to suffer strange accidental deaths they might think some things are more important than money.This is a war and the terrorists are the haves and they are terrorizing the have nots.This is not about muslims,jews, or christens.It is about the rich wanting it all.They think they deserve everything but they don't think they should have to work for anything.They think we should work our whole life away and give the fruits of our labor to them who never worked a day in their pityful lives.When a man has nothing left to lose,payback becomes fun!

Posted by Tha Advenger @ 11/14/2003 12:28 PM EST


Speaking of the upcoming election utilizing diebold equipment which virtually guarantees the "close" re-election of the republican party in all/most races, can someone explain to me why the democrats are not raising a fuss? Don't they see the writing on the wall? Are they so totally brain-dead they can't see where this is going?

Posted by bewildered @ 11/14/2003 12:55 PM EST


Vox, once again you teach us all something. I didn't know about this, now I do. Thank you.

Here's something for you:

~~~~~~~~~~~

Devils in Disguise

Devils in disguise
wearing bright sunny ties.
They come in their suits
and their real-snakeskin boots.
They meet and they greet,
and are oh so discrete.
But they can't hide the smell
of the world in which they dwell.

Secret meetings in secret locations,
safely ensconced in their fortifications.
As they scheme and they plan,
like some modern day Klan,
their selfishness shines
while humanity pines.

As for the blood and the toil,
without making your blood boil,
that's your job, my friends
on you their plan depends.
Your lives will be spent
with fraudulent intent ,
by cruel, twisted suits
and men in cowboy boots.

Posted by ewar @ 11/14/2003 12:59 PM EST


"Those who forget the past tend to repeat it" I can't remember the person who wrote this quote, but how true it is. Have we not learned from the past, from past wars, invasions, deceptions, yet many years after the fact, some , I mean only some of the truth comes out, the little that the white house administration will release. Yet we don't have the balls to stand up and ask for the truth. We accept stupid almost pathetic answers and yet we believe it cause the MEDIA tells us to. I say Fuck the media, has anyone seen the media outside the U.S., well it's totally different, I hate CNN, it's the bigest bullshit out there. As for the bushes, if they have the power to influnce the media , well then, they can force pretty much any shit upon the american people, and the sad thing is , many will believe it.

We need to speak up, say enough is enough, we are not gonna trade blood for oil, so a few fucks can get richer while the vast majority suffer. If these fucks want the oil, send their families, and they can lead the war, like in the old times, the general would lead his men to battle, as for the Iraqi war, out of the politicians, there is only one soldier , ONE out of thousands who is related to a congressman, that's it!!!!

These so called fuck ups, send minorities to fight their battles promising them citizenships when they return and many after they die get their citizenship, how fucking sad is that, to die for a dream and never live it.

They come here for a better life and these Hawks send them to war to make more money for themselves, FUCK IT , fuck them, fuck them all, get rid of those fuck ups and maybe the world will learn to forgive and forget all the shit that only a handful of fuckups has done to taint the americam image around the world.

Posted by Candian @ 11/14/2003 01:26 PM EST


The most interesting thing about this whole thing is that everyone is looking at the wrong people. Does anyone really believe that Dubya has any "real" power?

This guy is another puppet in a long line of puppets who do the bidding of a much larger organization. They tell him what to do and how to do it just like they have told EVERY President that has ever served in "office"

This is a bad "B" movie folks. With really bad actors. We have fallen for it hook line and sinker.....

We need to get rid of the "old" people who are truly running the planet.

Here is an article everyone should read:

http://webpages.shepherd.edu/EEHRHA01/13Bloodlines.htm

Let's stop focusing on the "actors" and focus on the screenplay writers. You don't get mad at the actors in real movies when the script is bad........why would you get mad at these bad actors......?

Posted by awareness99 @ 11/14/2003 01:29 PM EST


Everything in this article is true, and of course, said in anger. I wish I had the guts to wear a tee " BUSH- WORLD'S BIGGEST FUCK-UP"

It's also true that BUSHis a puppet- behind him is the shadow government. ANd the one seldom seen is the puppettier - Cheney - even in photos one can "feel" the malevolence. At the time that Bush "chocked on a pretzel" and feel off the couch" - the bruises and marks on his face - indicated - and one can tell the causes of such - the marks showed that he had been knocke around. That's what they were.

Cheney - Buxh Sr. - Sharon - the shadow government.

Posted by Allat @ 11/14/2003 01:51 PM EST


We need another American Revolution to clean this shit out of the stables. But how much worse will it get before that happens? And who's gonna fire the first shot? Or risk lethal injection or spend the rest of his life on Guantanamo?

I say we're all fucked, and there aint nothin' we can do about it. Just sit back, guys, and watch the Apocalypse from the comfort of your own Freddy or Fanny "paid-for." And don't scream too loud, else you'll end up in one of Ashcroft's secret Gulags right next to my old buddy Padilla.

Posted by Perry @ 11/14/2003 01:53 PM EST


Everything in this article is true, and of course, said in anger. I wish I had the guts to wear a tee " BUSH- WORLD'S BIGGEST FUCK-UP"

It's also true that BUSH is a puppet- behind him is the shadow government. ANd the one seldom seen is the puppetier - Cheney - even in photos one can "feel" the malevolence. At the time that Bush "choked on a pretzel" and fell off the couch" - the bruises and marks on his face - indicated - and one can tell the causes of such - the marks showed that he had been knocked around. That's what they were.

Cheney - Bush Sr. - Sharon - the shadow government. They're not human - and anyone say - looking at their actions and the results - they they are human?

Posted by Allat @ 11/14/2003 01:54 PM EST


Everything in this article is true, and of course, said in anger. I wish I had the guts to wear a tee " BUSH- WORLD'S BIGGEST FUCK-UP"

It's also true that BUSH is a puppet- behind him is the shadow government. ANd the one seldom seen is the puppetier - Cheney - even in photos one can "feel" the malevolence. At the time that Bush "choked on a pretzel" and fell off the couch" - the bruises and marks on his face - indicated - and one can tell the causes of such - the marks showed that he had been knocked around. That's what they were.

Cheney - Bush Sr. - Sharon - the shadow government. They're not human - can anyone say - looking at their actions and the results - that they are human? Aren't all their actions inhuman?

Posted by Allat @ 11/14/2003 01:56 PM EST


please, lets not start on the
shape-shifting reptoids..

maybe you can say these people
are more or less high-functioning
psychopaths, just by virtue of
being raised this way, but this
'essense of all evil talk' is not
productive..

Posted by beercat @ 11/14/2003 02:28 PM EST


FREE CHARLES MANSON!

Posted by Alan Cabal @ 11/14/2003 02:38 PM EST


Awareness is not very aware.Who cares if dubya has any real power.He ought to be convicted as a traitor just for that smartass monkey smirk on his face.Like I said before it is the rich vs. the poor.The government is a gang.Who can arrest bush when he hired the top cop Ashcroft?Everyone of these criminals cover each others ass. If you think it is some satanic plot,it shows how dumb you are.You think exactly what they want you to.It is really simple to figure out.Rich criminals run everything and are above the law because they wrote the laws and they appointed the judges and they enforce them.If we the people don't take the law into our own hands there will only be one law,their law.There law is wrong yet they enforce it against the poor,so the poor should enforce our law against the rich.If a black man can get life in prison for stealing a few vcr tapes yet Ken Lay gets no punishment for stealing billions of peoples life savings something is wrong.We need to go back to the lynch mob days and hang him from a tree and the others like him.Only then they might learn crime don't pay.Till there is a violent revolution expect nothing to change.as for me,I am a white disabled vet who believes in one God and equal justice for all!

Posted by Tha Advenger @ 11/14/2003 02:51 PM EST


What is it can we do as a small group that is non-violent to show the mainstream public what is really goin on?
Don't pay taxes? Dont buy gas?
I feel really sorry for the people who are so dependant on big brother to survive. I mean all it would take would be a massive blackout for more than a month to totally screw everything. How many of you could actually survive in the wild. Fish, hunt, stay warm and build shelter? Im talkin Grizzly Adams time
if we lose power. Supermarkets are done, no warm water.
Oil burners cant run. When the enevitable comes, whether its another 4 years of lies, war, unemployment or another crippling terrorist attack will we look back and say man I could have done something. But can we really? It's really sad.

Posted by dogmonsta @ 11/14/2003 03:02 PM EST


Bush said we have to go in and get sadam and get out of Irac before the summer heat comes....

Posted by doxie @ 11/14/2003 03:04 PM EST


nnnnnnnnnnnn

Posted by nnnnnnn @ 11/14/2003 03:10 PM EST


Hmmm ... How to punich Bush? Simple. Make them poor ;-)

Posted by Belgarion @ 11/14/2003 03:15 PM EST


One last thing. i know everyone is sayin shut already...but I
GUARANTEE you right before its voting time they will capture Osama & Saddam. Its the ace up the sleeve for a landslide Presidential victory...I would not be surprised if they know where they are and they are just waiting. Bring home the troops..
release all the hardened criminals into the area. Whoever gets them is pardoned. What the go free all the time anyways?

Posted by dogmonsta @ 11/14/2003 03:17 PM EST


Dogmonsta's right. What can we do? Is it already too late? I've been asking myself these same questions for over 18 months, maybe more.

So we join rallies and pressure groups, sign petitions, write our Congressmen, make a real big noise and then some. What happens? Nothing - THEY just ignore us, like we don't exist. The media never reports anything that questions the so-called "war on terror" or the official version of 911.

So having worked my ass off trying to get the truth out, and failing real bad, I now figure there's no way out. And voxfux is right to say they'll let Diebold fix the next election - and who cares a fuck when the alternative is neoconservatism with a democratic handle?

Posted by Perry @ 11/14/2003 03:20 PM EST


THE CORP.PUPPET MASTERS AND THE LAWYER ARMY RULE THE WORLD!!

Henry Kiss-asser is the architect of the Corporate Fascist Agenda.
King George I executes and inforces the plan.
They created and execute the Corporate Manifesto.
All for me, none for you! $87 Billion for war, none for you!
All of the wealth! All of the media.
All of the Government. All of the Corporations.
Now, for all the rest of the world. They create the Grand Illusion!
The illusion, that this country is run, By the people, for the people!
It is run by lawyers for lawyers.
The wealth, stolen from the people is used against them.
Polluting the environment and airways. How much is enough?
When the top 1-% owns over 95% of all the wealth in the U.S.A.
Is that enough? Where is the separation of powers?
Where are the checks and balances?
One bunch of lawyers checking on another. GOOD LUCK!
How would you like it if we just had fireman running everything?
When a mercenary army of lawyers runs all the branches of Govt.
When a mercenary army of lawyers runs all of the High Courts.
When a mercenary army of lawyers rules the Senate.
When lawyers rule the House of Representatives
When a mercenary army of lawyers rules the Executive branch.
When a mercenary army of lawyers rules the Judicial branch.
When a mercenary army of lawyers rules Legislative branch.
You have tyranny.
When one lawyer fraternity rules the government and the
same lawyer fraternity runs business. You have tyranny.
They speak Legal-ese and Speak-Talk endlessly.
A modern form of gibberish or pig-Latin!
Which includes so many negatives that it is impossible to understand what they are saying. They are the say nothings.
Never giving a straight answer!
They just talk everybody to sleep and run away with the prize.
William Eon,
The concerned Citizen.

Posted by william Eon @ 11/14/2003 04:10 PM EST


I think you guys here are in need of some tharapy. Bush is a great president. Are the regulars at this forum also regulars at jeff rense'es crap-filled website also ...EVRYONES OUT TO GET YOU!!! IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!! THE WORLD IS ENDING!!! FLANNEL SHIRTS ARE ITCHY!!! AND ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT!!!! ...wake up and get real.

Posted by inDIGInous @ 11/14/2003 04:15 PM EST


If the Bush family is revealed to be the shape-changing Reptilian darklings of the underworld here to reclaim the treasure earth in the name of the dark one than we will become their food once again. In my last life I was a meal for the reptillian king Shuangue Chiyaught (AKA: Ronald Reagan), I hoped the CBS mini-series would uncover the truth about Reagans Reptilian ancestry and his proto-human dietary habits. Bush jr. is actually Reagans lizardly prodgeny and only untill the bird men of jupiter arrive will we be food for the scaled ones!

Posted by Sleestack @ 11/14/2003 04:39 PM EST


If the Bush family is revealed to be the shape-changing Reptilian darklings of the underworld here to reclaim the treasure earth in the name of the dark one than we will become their food once again. In my last life I was a meal for the reptillian king Shuangue Chiyaught (AKA: Ronald Reagan), I hoped the CBS mini-series would uncover the truth about Reagans Reptilian ancestry and his proto-human dietary habits. Bush jr. is actually Reagans lizardly prodgeny and only untill the bird men of jupiter arrive will we be food for the scaled ones!

Posted by Sleestack @ 11/14/2003 04:40 PM EST


how can you guys sit here slamming Bush so bad when Bill "the lying rapist" Clinton was obviously the worst president ever.
At least Bush did'nt lie to a federal judge under oath.

At least Bush doesn't have over eleven wemon accusing him of rape.

At least Bush did'nt sell out military secrets to communist China.

At least Bush did'nt appoint african/americans, (Blacks), (Afro-Americans) to two of the highest offices in his cabinet ...oh wait ...that was Bush, it was good ol' Bill Clinton who just promised to but never did ...Go buy Al Frankins new book and soak in your self loathing you whaik-a-doos.

Posted by mi-mi @ 11/14/2003 05:01 PM EST


For all those who say "why bother the election is rigged anyway", that statement alone will get bush reelected. How can you complain, unless you vote. I honestly believe there are enough people to get bush ousted in the next election. Families of the current troops in Iraq are already protesting bush. He also just told all the veterans of the first Iraq fuck-up that they will not get their benefits. During Veterans Day! He says he needs the money for Haliburton...I mean this war. Question is wether or not people will put their money where their mouth is and actually go and vote. You can bitch and moan all you want, but until you vote your voice will truely be unheard. Like a lot of people I have foregone the whole voting debacle, made excuses like "I had to work" or "I don't have the time". Well, now I am among the 2.4 million people (and growing) in this country out of work and have all the time I need. I gauruntee when next November rolls around (working or not) I will make the time to ensure my voice is heard. Even if I have to take a day off work without pay. It will be worth the cost to know I did my part and cast my vote. I for one am going to do my part and try my best to make a difference. I have to... My family depends on it.

Posted by VeteransSon @ 11/14/2003 05:34 PM EST


there is only one way to fight evil. Be good . Forgive . Keep the beast out of your heart . The rest is easy . Your heart will tell you what to do . Be prepared .

Posted by white pawn @ 11/14/2003 05:41 PM EST


george bush-article : FUCKING GREAT !!!!!

Posted by wolfgang maus @ 11/14/2003 05:55 PM EST


Very interestin site folks!!
The US is U/S bigtime. "Shit happens, cuz good men do fuckall!"
Wanto C more? Go check out these sites:
1.) bilderberg.org
2.) globalreferendum.com
(Their 'Message Board' rocks.)
3.) serendipity.li/index.html
4.) sollog.com

Also read up on Naom Chomsky - excellent facts from him.
The EU is set to become the 'next superpower'. WTC s911 is the Devils work (666). Good ordinary hard workin men & women died before their time - for what?? (A good 'Class Action' should be set up to fully investigate 911 and bring the evil scumbags to book.

The good 'ole USA can be a Great Country again, if folks wake up, live properly, be God fearin and VOTE for a more 'User Friendly Govt.' next time round! Fact.
May God guide the American People to sanity. The hour is now very late. The World needs you as TRUE leader - no more Mickey Mice Govts.
So many folks are losing their Jobs now in the US. Why? Where are their Labor Unions. Why dont the workers follow a full National Union - much more clout in numbers. Jobs need to be saved.
God Bless. Any comments??

Posted by Lara @ 11/14/2003 06:00 PM EST


hi readers,

just want to mention something a friend of mine told me about a week ago...something BIIIG is up in kentucky near where he lives...the underground caves there, well he said trucks are going in there day and night "empty" but coming back "full"... black hawks flying back and forth back and forth for what it's worth! seems a little suspicious to me.

Posted by jhf @ 11/14/2003 06:08 PM EST


Indiginous needs to wake up and get real.Because of the fools like him this country is as fucked up as it is.I quote G.W.Bush "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you have to concentrate on."Jeff Rense might talk about spacemen and Bigfoot and other fairytales but it is up to the thinking person to use his mind to determine the truth from fiction.I guess indiginous only believes what he heres from fox news.I can bet Jeff Rense knows a million times more information than
Mr..indiginous does,including how to make money from people who believe in little green men.As for bush being a great president(LMFAO) Name one fucking good thing he did for the United States! He is so low he even uses the church to get votes.He is the worlds biggest sinner and because he says he is born again millions of honest people fall for this trick.He can go to church and say god talks to him and people really believe him.The main problem in the United States is almost everyone is to lazy to find out what is really going on or so trusting that they believe the president is a good person because they were raised to be patriotic and were raised to think the president is a good moral man(no matter all evidence points otherwise).It must be a sin to kill innocent children in the name of god.If anyone was really telling Bush to kill I am sure it was more likely to be Satan than god,and if it was not God or Satan then we are still in trouble because we have a leader who listens to little voices in his head.That takes us back to Bigfoot and little green men.Non Violent protest only works so long.lord knows I have spent thousands of hours writing congress,newspapers,websites and any where I might get heard yet it seems like nothing has changed.I really think we are going to have to have another American Revolution if we really want an honest government!

Posted by Tha Advenger @ 11/14/2003 06:12 PM EST


Ok. All that needs to be done is to start a Rolling Mass Action across the whole US. Think about it... Back in the day in South Africa the folks there got sorted in big labour unions and made themselves heard. Strikes, rollin mass stayaways and huge mass actions. The then 'govt' in South Africa was methodically made ungovernable to the point that they just had to sit down and negotiate a New, more representative democratic govt. There is no other real practical way to resolve issues of elitist greed and fair of the poor, although -hard working, good hearted, loyal masses. They do all the shitty jobs that the SuperRich Elite take for granted in their larny homes that look more like Govt Depts!!! The USA needs a Democratic People's Govt. Less Taxes. Decent investments opportunities (no scams). Real Bizz gentlemen. You see, the Elite will only shit on your head if you allow them. Only power is respected. That's why there should be strong democractic laour unions. Even business boycotts from the then UDF in South Africa was the order of the day. Certain businesses were targeted for boycotting. It amplified the struggle for Freedom. Today South Africa has a Model Constitution and there was no bloody revolution at all. There are some paralells here. Check on South Africa's history and you'll get wise on how to manage your boss!

Posted by DoomSlayer @ 11/14/2003 06:43 PM EST


Everyone on this site needs to sit down,and breathe. Take a deep breathe and hold it. Now release it. Ok-a lot of people I turn on to the deception dollar sites and info have expressed their horror but in the same breath say, 'why haven't they all been impeached?" "why isn't anyone DOING anything?", the knowledge of what is and has been going on in this government for a long long time is very overwhelming to KNOW. I myself have had several breakdowns over the last 20 years or so until I realized in a moment, had an epiphany, that none of the people with authority over our actual lives CARES one bit about 'us'. So if they 'act' like they care, say about our health-urging and mandating that we take our newborns into 'wellbaby' clinics for their shots to 'protect' them, when you KNOW that they really don't care---that's a clue that you should do a little checking around for yourself, because you do CARE about yours and your family's health. With everything the truth is so horrifying and bad it just boggles the mind. Fluride;vaccinations;taxes;you know.The powers that BE, truly do not care...just like most of our bosses truly do not care about us as people, they might pretend to care as long as we eat shit and smile and preferably do the work of 2 people and submit to any of their bullying and threatening behaviors that are quite common at work nowadays. You can find out how much your boss really cares about you by: asking for a raise;telling on an abusive supervisor; reporting illegal activities at work, etc. The typical American workforce is a microcosm of the hideous petty tyrants of the powers that be. However, the very rich and powerful are much much worse in their lack of care for 'us' because they really see us like a lot of people see the homeless person, if they see us at all. They usually only see us if we tell them no, or demand to know the rules or call them on their shit. You can throw them a nurf ball and they will return a missile round in 'defense'. They will not play nice or fair.They truly have no interest in 'us' unless we tell them no. And 'they' are everywhere.

Impeaching 'them' won't work there are too many of 'them'. They are extremely well organized and very focused bunch of heartless sociopaths. They encompass every layer of society and every branch of commerce. doctors, lawyers, dentists, all the corporate people and their minions. All the cops all the politicians, hmmmm I feel defeated all ready. But that they still play the game of passing laws and 'ACTS' and go through the hassle of playing the game intrigues me. So all I have come up with, to do what I can to protect myself, a 12th generation American-a member of an original colonial family, is to deal with my local situation. Read YOUR STATE'S local HOMELAND SECURITY LAW. My state of CA's is a doozy, shivvered me timbers, my 19th nervous breakdown. Gray Davis and the legislature did not pass it, but blacklined the entire very well spelled out document. Horrible and unbelievable, but believe it when you see it. Davis blacklined due to lack of funding. I believe that is the real reason Arnold is in office, he will pass it, probably a new and improved version where 'they' just massacre us all with scalar weapons or something really wicked-er than going through the hassle of getting our guns and dealing with all of us major assholes.

Still with me? keep breathing, read your state's homeland security bill. The enforcing agents will be your local SHERIFFS, DA AND PD, you know all the people that ASHCROFT was having all of his secret meetings with this summer? Never did hear what the specifics were at these talks did we? Anyway, this is where we lay the hammer. Hammer at the local gutless cowardly devious Sheriff-who by the way 'we' still pay for. Who have 'sworn to protect and defend the Constitution'. Publicly demand from them answers to how they will treat us under orders by the Governors who will have total power to decide our fates. Lots of republicans getting governorships lately. Ones that I presume are Cheney/Ashcroft butt buddies. The governors get to make the call, for our safety and protection and the Sheriff's get to carry out the orders. CA has 6 districts where command posts are already figured out. This needs to be exposed. Also at the very local-set level-take a good look at your children's school and principal-if a code red security alert is called this person can literally have life or death decision making over your child. Demand to know your school's plans and agendas. I have done some of these, at least I am doing something besides marking myself as an unhappy camper. Keep breathing and it is up to us to do something. Also in CA is a group called the Lincoln club-they are in every county,what a bunch of ugly,psycho losers, however, they too are very focused and they state their agendas right out front, to finance and get elected a Republican for every slot, school board, city council all the way up. Again, local is where it will start for all of us when it turns ugly and it will turn really quick, maybe tomorrow....stay safe and sane...

Posted by Beyond Leftist @ 11/14/2003 07:08 PM EST


Everyone on this site needs to sit down,and breathe. Take a deep breathe and hold it. Now release it. Ok-a lot of people I turn on to the deception dollar sites and info have expressed their horror but in the same breath say, 'why haven't they all been impeached?" "why isn't anyone DOING anything?", the knowledge of what is and has been going on in this government for a long long time is very overwhelming to KNOW. I myself have had several breakdowns over the last 20 years or so until I realized in a moment, had an epiphany, that none of the people with authority over our actual lives CARES one bit about 'us'. So if they 'act' like they care, say about our health-urging and mandating that we take our newborns into 'wellbaby' clinics for their shots to 'protect' them, when you KNOW that they really don't care---that's a clue that you should do a little checking around for yourself, because you do CARE about yours and your family's health. With everything the truth is so horrifying and bad it just boggles the mind. Fluride;vaccinations;taxes;you know.The powers that BE, truly do not care...just like most of our bosses truly do not care about us as people, they might pretend to care as long as we eat shit and smile and preferably do the work of 2 people and submit to any of their bullying and threatening behaviors that are quite common at work nowadays. You can find out how much your boss really cares about you by: asking for a raise;telling on an abusive supervisor; reporting illegal activities at work, etc. The typical American workforce is a microcosm of the hideous petty tyrants of the powers that be. However, the very rich and powerful are much much worse in their lack of care for 'us' because they really see us like a lot of people see the homeless person, if they see us at all. They usually only see us if we tell them no, or demand to know the rules or call them on their shit. You can throw them a nurf ball and they will return a missile round in 'defense'. They will not play nice or fair.They truly have no interest in 'us' unless we tell them no. And 'they' are everywhere.

Impeaching 'them' won't work there are too many of 'them'. They are extremely well organized and very focused bunch of heartless sociopaths. They encompass every layer of society and every branch of commerce. doctors, lawyers, dentists, all the corporate people and their minions. All the cops all the politicians, hmmmm I feel defeated all ready. But that they still play the game of passing laws and 'ACTS' and go through the hassle of playing the game intrigues me. So all I have come up with, to do what I can to protect myself, a 12th generation American-a member of an original colonial family, is to deal with my local situation. Read YOUR STATE'S local HOMELAND SECURITY LAW. My state of CA's is a doozy, shivvered me timbers, my 19th nervous breakdown. Gray Davis and the legislature did not pass it, but blacklined the entire very well spelled out document. Horrible and unbelievable, but believe it when you see it. Davis blacklined due to lack of funding. I believe that is the real reason Arnold is in office, he will pass it, probably a new and improved version where 'they' just massacre us all with scalar weapons or something really wicked-er than going through the hassle of getting our guns and dealing with all of us major assholes.

Still with me? keep breathing, read your state's homeland security bill. The enforcing agents will be your local SHERIFFS, DA AND PD, you know all the people that ASHCROFT was having all of his secret meetings with this summer? Never did hear what the specifics were at these talks did we? Anyway, this is where we lay the hammer. Hammer at the local gutless cowardly devious Sheriff-who by the way 'we' still pay for. Who have 'sworn to protect and defend the Constitution'. Publicly demand from them answers to how they will treat us under orders by the Governors who will have total power to decide our fates. Lots of republicans getting governorships lately. Ones that I presume are Cheney/Ashcroft butt buddies. The governors get to make the call, for our safety and protection and the Sheriff's get to carry out the orders. CA has 6 districts where command posts are already figured out. This needs to be exposed. Also at the very local-set level-take a good look at your children's school and principal-if a code red security alert is called this person can literally have life or death decision making over your child. Demand to know your school's plans and agendas. I have done some of these, at least I am doing something besides marking myself as an unhappy camper. Keep breathing and it is up to us to do something. Also in CA is a group called the Lincoln club-they are in every county,what a bunch of ugly,psycho losers, however, they too are very focused and they state their agendas right out front, to finance and get elected a Republican for every slot, school board, city council all the way up. Again, local is where it will start for all of us when it turns ugly and it will turn really quick, maybe tomorrow....stay safe and sane...

Posted by Beyond Leftist @ 11/14/2003 07:09 PM EST


great thoughts...but what can we DO?????
hippies thought love & peace..."thoughts are things..."
but now with so much violence, fear, hatred? what can we DO?????

Posted by peacey @ 11/14/2003 07:27 PM EST


Can you say PARANOIA????
People, get a fucking life! I think everyone on this thread has watched the Matrix one too many times.
Beware of the evil Bushes....give me a fucking break.
All of you cheese-eating surrender monkeys should get a job and start being productive and stop watching the sci-fi channel. I'm sick and tired of listening to you liberal wackos spew this paranoid bullshit.
I think you all should leave america if you don't like it.
"The tree of liberty must be washed with the blood of our tyrants from time to time".
Sure, Iraq isn't pretty. But you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.
I say, plant the flag over in the middle east and be done with all the bullshit. They've only been fighting themselves since the dawn of man.
One planet....One flag.

VOX COMMENT ANNOTATION: Dear uneducated redneck hillbilly.
You need to spend more time seeking educational oportunities and less time sharing your "world view" with us. You need education plain and simple. You need to get out of the trailerpark more often and if you study real hard - in a couple of years you may be able to take that giant leap and go after that HIGH SCHOOL EQUIVALENCY DIPLOMA. Then maybe you can find a career in the rewarding fast food industry.
Good luck with that GED
vox

Posted by Man of Truth @ 11/14/2003 07:32 PM EST


"One planet....One flag"

Fuck you buddy - I have no desire to be an "american" and I'm sure there are billions around the world who feel the same.

Posted by Not an American - and proud of it @ 11/14/2003 07:46 PM EST


bush and his croonies will start ww3 if they haven't already then america the ugly will have to pay the price.theres alittle over 300million in the us of a right now.Well how many will be left after bush and his warmongers are finished?It might even match there own friendly neighbour to the north

Thanks alot you assholes!! yea thats right i'm looking right at you DUBYA

Posted by nathan @ 11/14/2003 08:03 PM EST


So says da man of truth...OK, but God is supposedly Truth! (So sayeth yer Bible big boy! Ah, ha now we're kicking down in the fast lane...Kewl. On US$ Bill it says: "In God We Trust". Yeah right bro. There's NO paranoia. Nada. Nool. "Reality Bites".
Also: Know yer Latin - "Audi Alteram Partem" Catch on??!
Aluta Continua. The People shall Govern. The Fat Cats all tried the same shiite, rem. Alexander, Hitler amongst others. All these wankers tried to Rule Da Werld. For what. DoGsHiT -VoLLeYwOoD -DayDrEaMin.
Only One MAN can Rule the'World' - God Himself. That time is NOT far off. Repent now! Stalin-ways wont help neither - breakin eggs'n stuff. All'em Chickens gone home to roost........! We ARE the Chief Chickens~sheeple-like zombies. We MUST think. Not be brainless. The People must hold big rallies. They must strike and toyi-toyi. Worry about Aids instead! ONE PLANET _ ONE HUMANITY_ONE GOD ABOVE_VIVA AMERICA_VIVA. Power to The Peoples of America -Amandla!!
(Either You are with the People of America or You are Against them).
We Are ONE people - Fire the Bosses Now!!!!!! You need the Toyi-toyi mass-action dance like in South Africa. Number one. The bosses dont know that style. They will be confused. Real Freedom come from struggle -not drinking Coca-Cola. You must activate your unions and strike/stayaways. So?

Posted by DoomSlayer @ 11/14/2003 08:15 PM EST


For the so called Man of Truth, its more like Man of Bullshit.
You sound like an apologize for the Zionists and Neocons of the Bush Shit Regime.
Are you a plant for the ruling class to scan various web sites as to see how some readers view the scumbags in Washington and Jew York City who run Corporate Amerika? Do you work for the FBI, NSA, CIA(Capitalism's Invisible Army), DSA, ECHELEON or other government snoop group to spy on the masses? It wouldn't surprise me.
Where are you going next? Over to rense.com, copvcia.com, thirdworldtraveler.com, whatreallyhappened.com or indymedia.org. I will save you some time as not to visit centrexnews.com or ummah.net.pk/dajjal as they have been closed down by the Brits.
Their views surely must of made Tony Blair and his stooges nervous.
I am from the US but live much of the time overseas. If the ignorance masses cannot see what the dictator is pulling over their eyes, let them rot in Amerika. Americans have SEX, SCREEN and SPORT to occupy their little minds. Keeping them FAT, DUMB and HAPPY is another control mechanism that the ruling class and their oil soaked whores of the monopoly media employ for mind control purposes.
Edward L. Bernays, the father of mass mind control(spin) would be proud of how his methods have pacified the uneducated and patriotic sheoples of the U.S.
As a friend told me years ago who was from Canada.
"Americans are nice people, but they are so god damn stupid."
I am ashamed to be an American while traveling overseas. Everyone wants to know why my country is so aggressive towards the rest of humanity.
Its sad enough to have the Ugly American but also the Ignorant and Dangerous American.
Thats why its called the United
States of Aggression.
As a bumper sticker I read sometime ago: I love my country, but I fear my government.

I think your brain has been scrambled like your omelette.
Open your mind nad open your eyes and remove the flag from them and see what is going down--FOOL...
Another John Asscroft Stooge for CITIZEN SNITCH.

Posted by Skata @ 11/14/2003 08:25 PM EST


hey ewar: you should check out The Requiem by David Novak to see the final fate of the Bushies. Its in the cantos set in Babylon toward the end of the book. "As even all my family has worshiped only money." check it out

Posted by cabral @ 11/14/2003 08:29 PM EST


My son is serving in Iraq and I dare not tell him of the things I have found out about this phony war. Maybe one day I can show him how his President let 9-11 happen or was actually part of the plot so he could get his hands on all the oil left in the world. I dispise my president and I truly believe his whole world will crash because too many people are asking questions now.

Posted by LIGHT-ON @ 11/14/2003 08:54 PM EST


http://alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17190
Call Me a Bush-Hater

By Molly Ivins, The Progressive
November 14, 2003

Among the more amusing cluckings from the right lately is their appalled discovery that quite a few Americans actually think George W. Bush is a terrible president.

Robert Novak is quoted as saying in all his 44 years of covering politics, he has never seen anything like the detestation of Bush. Charles Krauthammer managed to write an entire essay on the topic of "Bush-haters" in Time magazine as though he had never before come across a similar phenomenon.

Oh, I stretch memory way back, so far back, all the way back to – our last president. Almost lost in the mists of time though it is, I not only remember eight years of relentless attacks from Clinton-haters, I also notice they haven't let up yet. Clinton-haters accused the man of murder, rape, drug running, sexual harassment, financial chicanery, and official misconduct. And they accuse his wife of even worse.

For eight long years, this country was a zoo of Clinton-haters. Any idiot with a big mouth and a conspiracy theory could get a hearing on radio talk shows and "Christian" broadcasts and nutty Internet sites. People with transparent motives, people paid by tabloid magazines, people with known mental problems, ancient Clinton enemies with notoriously racist pasts – all were given hearings, credence, and air time. Sliming Clinton was a sure road to fame and fortune on the right, and many an ambitious young rightwing hit man like David Brock, who has since made full confession, took that golden opportunity.

And these folks didn't stop with verbal and printed attacks. From the day Clinton was elected to office, he was the subject of the politics of personal destruction. They went after him with a multimillion-dollar smear campaign funded by Richard Mellon Scaife, the rightwing billionaire. They went after him with lawsuits funded by rightwing legal foundations (Paula Jones), they got special counsels appointed to investigate every nitpicking nothing that ever happened (Filegate, Travelgate), and they never let go of that hardy perennial Whitewater.

After all this time and all those millions of dollars wasted, no one has ever proved that the Clintons did a single thing wrong. Bill Clinton lied about a pathetic, squalid affair that was none of anyone else's business anyway, and for that they impeached the man and dragged this country through more than a year of the most tawdry, ridiculous, unnecessary pain. The day President Clinton tried to take out Osama bin Laden with a missile strike, every right-winger in America said it was a case of "wag the dog." He was supposedly trying to divert our attention from the much more breathtakingly important and serious matter of Monica Lewinsky. And who did he think he was to make us focus on some piffle like bin Laden?

"The puzzle is where this depth of feeling comes from," mused the ineffable Mr. Krauthammer. Gosh, what a puzzle that is. How could anyone not be just crazy about George W. Bush? "Whence the anger?" asks Krauthammer. "It begins of course with the 'stolen' election of 2000 and the perception of Bush's illegitimacy."

I'd say so myself, yes, I would. I was in Florida during that chilling post-election fight, and am fully persuaded to this good day that Al Gore actually won Florida, not to mention getting 550,000 more votes than Bush overall. But I also remember thinking, as the scene became eerier and eerier, "Jeez, maybe we should just let them have this one, because Republican wing-nuts are so crazy, their bitterness would poison Gore's whole presidency." The night Gore conceded the race in one of the most graceful and honorable speeches I have ever heard, I was in a ballroom full of Republican Party flacks who booed and jeered through every word of it.

One thing I acknowledge about the right is that they're much better haters than liberals are. Your basic liberal – milk of human kindness flowing through every vein, and heart bleeding over everyone from the milk-shy Hottentot to the glandular obese – is pretty much a strikeout on the hatred front. Maybe further out on the left you can hit some good righteous anger, but liberals, and I am one, are generally real wusses. Guys like Rush Limbaugh figured that out a long time ago – attack a liberal and the first thing he says is, "You may have a point there."

To tell the truth, I'm kind of proud of us for holding the grudge this long. Normally, we'd remind ourselves that we have to be good sports, it's for the good of the country, we must unite behind the only president we've got, as Lyndon used to remind us. If there are still some of us out here sulking, "Yeah, but they stole that election," well, good. I don't think we should forget that.

But, onward. So George Dubya becomes president, having run as a "compassionate conservative," and what do we get? Hell's own conservative and dick for compassion.

His entire first eight months was tax cuts for the rich, tax cuts for the rich, tax cuts for the rich, and he lied and said the tax cuts would help average Americans. Again and again, the "average" tax cut would be $1,000. That means you get $100, and the millionaire gets $92,000, and that's how they "averaged" it out. Then came 9/11, and we all rallied. Ready to give blood, get out of our cars and ride bicycles, whatever. Shop, said the President. And more tax cuts for the rich.

By now, we're starting to notice Bush's bait-and-switch. Make a deal with Ted Kennedy to improve education and then fail to put money into it. Promise $15 billion in new money to combat AIDS in Africa (wow!) but it turns out to be a cheap con, almost no new money. Bush comes to praise a job training effort, and then cuts the money. Bush says AmeriCorps is great, then cuts the money. Gee, what could we possibly have against this guy? We go along with the war in Afghanistan, and we still don't have bin Laden.

Then suddenly, in the greatest bait-and-switch of all time, Osama bin doesn't matter at all, and we have to go after Saddam Hussein, who had nothing to do with 9/11. But he does have horrible weapons of mass destruction, and our president "without doubt," without question, knows all about them, even unto the amounts – tons of sarin, pounds of anthrax. So we take out Saddam Hussein, and there are no weapons of mass destruction. Furthermore, the Iraqis are not overjoyed to see us.

By now, quite a few people who aren't even liberal are starting to say, "Wha the hey?" We got no Osama, we got no Saddam, we got no weapons of mass destruction, the road map to peace in the Middle East is blown to hell, we're stuck in this country for $87 billion just for one year and no one knows how long we'll be there. And still poor Mr. Krauthammer is hard-put to conceive how anyone could conclude that George W. Bush is a poor excuse for a President.

Chuck, honey, it ain't just the 2.6 million jobs we've lost: People are losing their pensions, their health insurance, the cost of health insurance is doubling, tripling in price, the Administration wants to cut off their overtime, and Bush was so too little, too late with extending unemployment compensation that one million Americans were left high and dry. And you wonder why we think he's a lousy president?

Sure, all that is just what's happening in people's lives, but what we need is the Big Picture. Well, the Big Picture is that after September 11, we had the sympathy of every nation on Earth. They all signed up, all our old allies volunteered, everybody was with us, and Bush just booted all of that away. Sneering, jeering, bad manners, hideous diplomacy, threats, demands, arrogance, bluster.

"In Afghanistan, Bush rode a popular tide; Iraq, however, was a singular act of presidential will," says Krauthammer.

You bet your ass it was. We attacked a country that had done nothing to us, had nothing to do with Al Qaeda, and turns out not to have weapons of mass destruction.

It is not necessary to hate George W. Bush to think he's a bad president. Grownups can do that, you know. You can decide someone's policies are a miserable failure without lying awake at night consumed with hatred.

Poor Bush is in way over his head, and the country is in bad shape because of his stupid economic policies.

If that makes me a Bush-hater, then sign me up.

Molly Ivins, a syndicated columnist out of Austin, Texas, is the co-author of "Bushwhacked: Life in George W. Bush's America."

Posted by RONN @ 11/14/2003 08:59 PM EST


RE: MAN OF TRUTH

Obviously you agree with the globalists and NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM in a One World Government. Im not even going to argue with you about it - thats your opinion and you're entitled to it. But I will call you a fucking IDIOT if you and your power obsessed Idols think that its actully going to work/happen before either the whole world ( countries outside of America, if you're aware of those) just goes ape shit(WW3) and blows itself up or an ecological disaster happens (wich will under the current ruling who laughs at conservation). And no one's watching the Sci-Fi channel here pal - I haven't even seen The Matrix and I dont plan to. If you stayed current with even CONSERVATIVE media sources you will find concern about Bushs'activities, The Patroit Act and all the other atrocities being commited even on YOUR RIGHT WING! So lets make a deal - we'll take other factors into consideration when forming opinions about these issues if you'll take your fucking head out of the sand, turn off Rush and Bill O'Reily for a minute and take a cold hard look at the FACTS.

just a note - Dictatorships have came to power in MANY countries around the world, often with the AID of the CIA. If you dont know that then you'r either to scared to admit it or you've got your head TOO deep in that sand

Posted by Phil Ramos @ 11/14/2003 09:32 PM EST


Loved it. You have a way with words. Consider coming on the show, love to have you,
www.Meria.net

Posted by Meria @ 11/14/2003 09:36 PM EST


Right to Bear Arms
http://www.petitiononline.com/StanRite/petition.html

Abolish Federal Reserve & UN
http://www.petitiononline.com/abolFRUN/petition.html

Constitutional Violations
http://www.petitiononline.com/ConsViol/petition.html

Declaration of Independence
http://www.petitiononline.com/DecIndep/petition.html

IRS is a R.I.C.O.
http://www.petitiononline.com/IRSRICO/petition.html

Posted by Alan Bacon (sui Juris) @ 11/14/2003 09:38 PM EST


if information can liberate us, the bush family evil empire will no longer be an impediment to humankind and the earth after i publish my four generation biography on them

Posted by publicus @ 11/14/2003 09:54 PM EST


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NEW YORKER - The magazine's take on 911.

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ONION - News parody.

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OSAMA'S KIDNEYS - One of the best dissident 911 anthologies.

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PEOPLE'S INVESTIGATION OF 911 - One of the best dissident 911 anthologies.

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SALON - News and views.

SCHNEWS - The weekly newsletter from Justice? Brighton's Direct Action Collective.

SCOOP - Progressive New Zealand news magazine.

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SMIRKING CHIMP - Links to recent articles. Well-used message boards available to registered members.

SOLIDIERS FOR THE TRUTH - The best allies of peace activists.

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TRUTH OUT - Primarily commentary and editorials.

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UNANSWERED QUESTIONS - Interactive, with the people of the world posing the questions they want answered.

UNDER REPORTED - Surprising stories from the media and primary sources.

UNITED FOR PEACE - I can't think of anything better to be united for.

UTNE - A different read on life.

VATICAN ASSASSINS - Exposing the corruption, "wounded in the house of my friends."

VOTE TO IMPEACH - An online petition to the House of Representatives to initiate impeachment proceedings against Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney.

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WAGING PEACE - There is no way to peace, peace is the way.

WASHINGTON MONTHLY - Washington D.C. news and opinion.

WEBSTER G. TARPLEY - An independent researcher offering ample selections from two of his books.

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED - Drop kicking the fascists.

WI-FI PLANET - The source for wi-fi business and technology.

WIRED - Technology news.

WORLD REVOLUTION - An idea for a new, global grassroots social movement for progressive social change.

YELLOW TIMES - An anthology of articles and bulletin boards, with an emphasis on the Middle East.

Z COMMUNICATIONS - Progressive Z Magazine becoming an multimedia empire. All power to the real communicators!

ZEPP'S POLITICAL COMMENTARIES - Original articles.

911 STRIKE - A wakeup call for non-violent political action.

911 RESEARCH - An attempt to uncover the truth about September 11th.

Posted by anonymous @ 11/14/2003 10:00 PM EST


THE GOLDEN RULE
THE MAN WITH THE "GOLD" MAKES THE
RULE.
YOU CAN`T BEAT THE "GLOBAL ELITE"
BOTTOM LINE................................................

Posted by JERRY @ 11/14/2003 10:07 PM EST


Hey anonymous - why no links? Idiot! And Jerry, so what? We will die trying !!!

http://www.topica.com/lists/freeindependents/

Who is running America? Under the doctrine of Parens Patriae, "Government As Parent", as a result of the manipulated bankruptcy of the United States of America in 1930, ALL the assets of the American people, their person, and of our country itself are held by the Depository Trust Corporation at 55 Water Street, NY, NY, secured by UCC Commercial Liens, which are then monetized as "debt money" by the Federal Reserve.

It may interest you to know that under the umbrella of the Depository Trust Corporation lies the CEDE Corporation, the Federal Reserve Corporation and the American Bar Association, the legal arm of the banking interests. Now you know who is running America! You might want to take exception to the name on the marquee at the entrance to 55 Water Street. ? . . . "Tower of Power" . . . ? Another thing to think about -- who owns the media and the news you are fed?
Guess Who? An Independent Press? Ha!!! Did you ever hear of the Independent Treasury Act of 1921? No, you say.... Hmmm....?

The Independent Treasury Act of 1921 suspended the de jure (meaning "by right of legal establishment") Treasury Department of the United States government.
Our Congress turned the treasury department over to a private corporation, the Federal Reserve and their agents. The bulk of the ownership of the Federal Reserve System, a very well kept secret from the American Citizen, is held by these banking interests:
Rothschild Bank of London Rothschild Bank of Berlin
Warburg Bank of Hamburg Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Lazard Brothers of Paris Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
Chase Manhattan Bank & Goldman, Sachs of New York
Lehman Brothers & Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York

The Federal Reserve is at the root of most of our present laws. Basically, the Federal Reserve is the "STATE" of the United States. See "Our Enemy, The STATE" by Albert J. Nock - 1935, his Classic Critique Distinguishing "Government" from the "STATE." See Also Charts in Text Format of Interlocking Directorships and Family Linkages taken from "Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence. Staff Report, Committee on Banking, Currency and Housing, House of Representatives, 94th Congress, 2nd Session, August 1976."

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks]... will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson -- The Debate Over The Recharter Of The Bank Bill, (1809) Jefferson's prophesy has come true.

Posted by Alan Bacon (sui Juris) @ 11/14/2003 10:13 PM EST


Best fucking article i have ever fucken read, it amazes me how people people can't see through this shit, i consider myself dumb and i am wasted every single day of my life and i can see/feel the evil in their auras, everything they say and do.

Posted by ZTS @ 11/14/2003 10:15 PM EST


To Man of Truth. Hmm I wonder if you have ever had an origional thought in your head. One planet one flag? I have one word for your kind.... Moo . You are cattle to them just like us, have fun in the Gulag. Have a nice day.

Posted by Ravenhold @ 11/14/2003 10:31 PM EST


Man of Truth no's nothing about truth or of being a man.One planet....One flag.That is bullshit.One Country one flag and mine is the USA and my flag is red white and blue.I am proud of my country and those who built it but ashamed of assholes like you who have turned it into the fucked up place it now is.This has nothing to do with the middle east,it is about a traitor named Bush who is destroying whats left of our freedoms and killing our children so Bush and Co can profit from war and death.This is my country and I will never leave.If you hate to read the truth so much then go read rush limpdick and ann coultergiest and don't waste our space rambling your stupid remarks.The only thought I have left for you is may The tree of liberty fall on your head and smash your few braincells,you traitor scum!

Posted by Tha Advenger @ 11/14/2003 10:33 PM EST


george bush......a name that will live in infamy

defense policy board....just have a look at the surnames, i doubt their loyalty, probably dual ?!

9/11......just ask the house of saud and the ISI

enforced ignorance....britney, madonna, aguilera, jenna jameson,cnn,fox, pc

right wing militias......share the same pet hatreds as al-qaeda

persecution......guantanamo,adl,patriot act 1&2

whats wrong ??

Posted by tubba @ 11/14/2003 10:34 PM EST


george bush......a name that will live in infamy

defense policy board....just have a look at the surnames, i doubt their loyalty, probably dual ?!

9/11......just ask the house of saud and the ISI

enforced ignorance....britney, madonna, aguilera, jenna jameson,cnn,fox, pc

right wing militias......share the same pet hatreds as al-qaeda

persecution......guantanamo,adl,patriot act 1&2

whats wrong ??

Posted by tubba @ 11/14/2003 10:35 PM EST


If you want to put a big hurt on these pigs, turn Martha's Vineyard into a parking lot. That's where the heavy hitters live.

They are the real power.

Visible politicans are just window dressing for the stupid.

Posted by Truth is the thing @ 11/14/2003 11:29 PM EST


The planet cannot be ruled by force alone. It requires wealth. So if the buyers of the US debt ceased funding the war machine it would grind to a halt. Ergo Bush is functioning in the interest of the owners of the debt. China and Western Europe and Japan do not mind America shouldering the White Man's burden in Afghanistan and Iraq. All part of the grand plan for the Raj.

Posted by Publius @ 11/14/2003 11:41 PM EST


Alan Bacon, Cede also owns most of the stock in most public companies.

If you buy stock and ask for the certificate, you are the registered owner.

If you buy stock and keep it in your brokerage account, the registered owner is Cede.

You are the beneficial owner, but they are the actual or registered owner (like a trust). You trust them to give you the benefits (voting rights, dividends, etc.) of shares that belong to them.

If you vote your shares, they may or may not vote the way you tell them to. They typically allow the float to increase above the number of actual shares (who's going to know), so you may not even get a full vote for your shares.

This means that Cede is in effect the controlling shareholder of most public companies in the US.

Posted by sammy @ 11/14/2003 11:45 PM EST


The $19 trillion company no one has heard of.

http://www.monetaryportfolio.com/tab.html

If you purchase any stock or bond through a broker, it is being held for you under a "street name" by the DTC unless you have specifically requested to hold the certificate yourself. If you have a book entry stock or bond, you won't be issued a certificate. It's important to note that you have purchased that particular stock or bond without becoming a registered holder of the actual stock or bond certificate. Instead, you have become a beneficial owner. The difference between the two is like night and day. Take the time to absorb and understand the following definitions:

REGISTERED HOLDER- A Registered Holder literally possesses, owns, and holds, his stock or bond with his name appearing on the face of the certificate. The company that issued the certificate has registered the owner's (holder's) name on their official books. This is the safest way to own a paper asset. You literally possess the fully registered certificate and only you can transfer or sell it. By all Rights and definition of law, you are the owner. You have it, you hold it, you possess it, and you keep it. You have the complete control over it.

BENEFICIAL OWNER- A Beneficial Owner is nothing more than a beneficiary, "One who is entitled to the benefit of a contract"- A Dictionary of Law, 1893. All book-entry stocks and bonds you purchase make you the beneficial owner, not the registered holder. The owner of a book-entry stock or bond is the entity or name that it is registered under.

The DTC owns that bond or stock, not you. Rather than in your name, it's registered (as the legal Registered Owner or agent) in their "street name", Cede & Company.

Posted by sammy @ 11/15/2003 12:00 AM EST


take some time and read Thoreau's essay "On Civil Disobedience". Amazing stuff. I too find myself asking what we can do, for I know somehow that I am not alone, that we are not alone, and that something good may yet come of all of this horror. Let us pray, however so we may, for that to happen.

Posted by inyaluta @ 11/15/2003 12:01 AM EST


[..]YOU CAN`T BEAT THE "GLOBAL ELITE"[..]

Bullshit, It only takes an knife to cut off the snakes head.
They are just humans just like the rest of us. Their psychology works the same.
And you know what's funny ? those pussys are already scared shitless. They're too scared too crawl from under their bed without kevlar vest , armored cars and 50 security guards acting as their nanny to hold their hands.
They can't handle real life hardships.
Did you see the face of Wolfowitz when got his piece of Shellshock after the Iraqi's almost blew the crap out of him..

I bet he didn't love the smell of intestines in the morning..

Posted by Redeemer @ 11/15/2003 12:02 AM EST


http://www.presidentmoron.com/moreapes.jpg

Posted by zoo @ 11/15/2003 12:04 AM EST


how can you guys sit here slamming Bush so bad when Bill "the lying rapist" Clinton was obviously the worst president ever.
At least Bush did'nt lie to a federal judge under oath.

*No, he lied to the whole country.

At least Bush doesn't have over eleven wemon accusing him of rape.

*No, only one - http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/nw03/mnd/newswire111203a.htm

At least Bush did'nt sell out military secrets to communist China.

*No, he never got close enough to Vietnam to sell out secrets. Besides, his grandfather caused enough problems in Nazi Germany

At least Bush did'nt appoint african/americans, (Blacks), (Afro-Americans) to two of the highest offices in his cabinet ...oh wait ...that was Bush, it was good ol' Bill Clinton who just promised to but never did

*C.Rice and C.Powell don't count, they are Republicans.

...Go buy Al Frankins new book and soak in your self loathing you whaik-a-doos.

*I'd rather spend my time pissing off conservatives, thank you very much.

Posted by mi-mi @ 11/14/2003

Posted by Jay Wack @ 11/15/2003 12:32 AM EST


Takes a brave man to critisize your country's institutions from the safety umbrella they provide.

very couragous

Posted by Ajay @ 11/15/2003 12:38 AM EST


What a mess,Very interesting site.I side totally with the Bush hating,Martha's vinyard eliminating
True patroit view.The one flag,one world dude is a waster.Hope he gets drafted for his cause and voices his opinion to a Soldier of the Real U.S.Army.Like the rest of you with Brain matter,that read, and have a soul.Knowing that your friends and Family will have a much shortened life expectancy due to the wasted opportunity to build our own secure nation in all aspects.Realizing that our country has been taken already,not by some future dramatic event.You are my friends and family,I respect you,I won't ridicule you for recently figuring things out.We need a brotherhood to create a foundation to undermine our captors.For the other's that support tryanny we will undermine you,Character is everything.
P.S.Glad to see Tiny Elvis here.There can be only one

Posted by Ramblnbob @ 11/15/2003 01:05 AM EST


http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/awaken/index.htm

REALLY DOES WAKE YOU UP!

Posted by JERRY @ 11/15/2003 01:44 AM EST


Good people - it may not get to your news but us Brits are probably going to be able to get closer to the shrub than you guys back home so we will give it a good shot protesting next week.

Love you all, keep the peace in your hearts as you carry out your necessary colonic irrigation of the white house

Posted by Simon @ 11/15/2003 02:49 AM EST


where-ever you look into the bush-"clan" you see evil--deceit--ripoff--manipulation--fascism--warmongering/profeteering--in-your-face-"bring-it-on"cockyness and murderous coldness---thinly veiled by playing on words. here`s a point i`d like to make : the more bush---the bush "family" --is hated---the bolder he (the chimp) and all of them get(s). i--mean---it seems like all the hate directed at bush (jr) seems to "charge" him up in a eerily twisted way--like some ultra-"bold" gremlin. this is probably the key to his evil "powers"---and those of his cohorts---like limbaugh--(the junkie)---bumsfeld----the very reptilian zombie cheney---the scary ashcroft and so on. there must be some rrreally baaad "magic" at work here. the occult laws----certainly the key to understand skull-and-bones power---are deeply steeped in understanding and applying the laws of polarity---resonance and so on. what`s my point ? well---we are dealing here with an "energy"----ultrahostile to man---"un-worldly" so-to-speak. the bushes----the vilest and boldest looters --this planet has EVER seen ---are in the possession of some very dark "secrets". they---and the chimp---are conducts of an "energy"---that orson welles described so vividly in his famous broadcast of the "war of the worlds"....... only that the forces who submit man do not need to attack OPENLY---like in "independence day"---(a stupid diversion-movie ---glorifying the office of the president and the "heroic"military--just like "air-force-one") made for suckers. the covert approach is MUCH more effective. keep `em in the dark---and feed `em bullshit. the bonus for these lifeforce-plunderers is the glee to get away with it---in the plain open. with bush---the commander-in-thief--- at the helm of thousands of nuclear warheads we`re in for the scariest ride ever :nuclear blackmail. don`t count on the corporate media--whores to bail us out of this nightmare. zombies too. zombified. this whole bush nightmare is A CREATIVE CHALLENGE...!!!!! again : protesting ----hate-mail---rattling the cages may not only be ineffective------but reinforcing the ill-begotten energy---that these zombies are channeling. this is an OCCULT challenge !!! and only by occult means these otherworldly---- sick and ultracold intellects can get exorcized. WE need to study and understand the craft of magic (not stage-magic) and mind-control to rid ourseves from these incarnations of a plague. who is this "GOD"---that bush always refers to ???? there maybe something else at work here than sheer hypocricy. that`s too easy. masquerades. playing dumb. cunning. extremely cunning. that is what we`re dealing with. and the millions other dead souls---including the higher echelons--that resonate with this "thoughtform" are a very strong power to reckon with. there is a long line of preparations to this. generational. remember : 'WARS" are nothing else than mass-human sacrifice----and the bushes deliver. moloch (or whatever we call the "god" of cruel ---murderous bloodlust) ALWAYS hides behind servants of the cult of dead-------skull&bones.....says it all---does`nt it ? the greek knew very well of the polarity of thanatos (the dead-force) and eros (the life-force) ....ever wondered why this country (the u.s.) is so extremely puritanic and hostile to an OPEN and sane approach on "sex"...??? well ----it`s part of the occult "STRATEGY". ....what "THEY" fear most ---is the loss of selfhate---(that all religions ---including "christianity"---with their twisted and crazy take on sex generate)---could bring about : the final liberation of mankind !!!! you do the math. rest assured : the king returns----and the evil SPELL will be broken...!!! THE WULF los angeles 15 oct 2003

Posted by wolfgang maus @ 11/15/2003 03:07 AM EST


Bush addressing the Australian Parliament was OK till interupted by a politician who got to his feet and lambasted him for his treatmnet of 2 Australians detained in Guantomo Bay. The guy became scared, it was pathetic to watch and had to be rescued by the speaker of the house who after several attempts managed to silence the interjector by having him ejected (this did not actually happen).
Safely snuggled behind his mom (the speaker)after the guy was finally silenced bush instantly became bold "I'm all for free speech " the lizard declared after the guys free speech had safely been curtailed.
Afterwards another politician tried to give him a petition from the families of the two men who were unlawfully and cruelly detained in guantanamo Bay, the fear was palpabable in gergie Boy when confronted with this light and he shrank from it like a leaf before a flame.

Posted by charlie @ 11/15/2003 03:30 AM EST


" Why of course the common people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the commmon people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England,nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood. But after all it is leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a facist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictator ship.... Voice no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders . That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger"

- Leading NAZI leader HERMANN GOERING, at the Nurebourg Trials before he was sentenced to execution

( pay special attention to the techniques he states! ring any bells?

Posted by geo800 @ 11/15/2003 05:50 AM EST


You have a lot of supporters here in India. Have yet to find one person anywhere in India that has a single word good for Dubya.

Posted by Dr. B.K. Das @ 11/15/2003 06:09 AM EST


You have a lot of supporters here in India. Have yet to find one person anywhere in India that has a single word good for Dubya.

Posted by Dr. B.K. Das @ 11/15/2003 06:10 AM EST


Do you know who are the Biggest Bulls?
B-Lier (Blair)
B-ush (Biggest ----up Sit Happens)

Posted by Cheryer @ 11/15/2003 06:23 AM EST


Do you know who are the Biggest Bulls?
B-Lier (Blair)
B-ush (Biggest ----up Sit Happens)

Posted by Cheryer @ 11/15/2003 06:42 AM EST


Talk about rubbing your face in it. The company is named Cede and Co. which means "to willingly give up ownership".

http://www.monetaryportfolio.com/tab2.html

Posted by bill b @ 11/15/2003 09:22 AM EST


This current administration has not only been a complete and total Throwback to democracy, it has gone about it's disregard for any and everyone in a contemptful patronizing manner. The assumption is that We either aren't ALLOWED to see the "facts" or are TOO Stupid to remember the LIES!!! In both cases, the only solution is to BE PISSED!! and to fuckin demand the BLOOD of a ChickenHawk....for the future preservation of our America....

Posted by Justin Vicory @ 11/15/2003 09:44 AM EST


This current administration has not only been a complete and total Throwback to democracy, it has gone about it's disregard for any and everyone in a contemptful patronizing manner. The assumption is that We either aren't ALLOWED to see the "facts" or are TOO Stupid to remember the LIES!!! In both cases, the only solution is to BE PISSED!! and to fuckin demand the BLOOD of a ChickenHawk....for the future preservation of our America....

Posted by Justin Vicory @ 11/15/2003 09:45 AM EST


This current administration has not only been a complete and total Throwback to democracy, it has gone about it's disregard for any and everyone in a contemptful patronizing manner. The assumption is that We either aren't ALLOWED to see the "facts" or are TOO Stupid to remember the LIES!!! In both cases, the only solution is to BE PISSED!! and to fuckin demand the BLOOD of a ChickenHawk....for the future preservation of our America....

Posted by Justin Vicory @ 11/15/2003 09:45 AM EST


You are correct, My Child. They continue on in their self-sufficiency. They continue on with their partying, their drinking, their whoremongering, their perverted lusts, their love of money and of this world, their idolatries, their atheism and widespread rebellion. Yes, My Child, they continue on with blind eyes and deaf ears and in spite of this judgement of great drought and excessive heat, they have learned nothing. Just as America, for the most part you have learned little. And, so now, My Child, comes a greater round of judgements for the whole Earth. It is a time of great rumbling and shaking. It is a time of war on many fronts. It is the beginning of great famine and severe water shortages and even though all these things will happen and in many, many places, the ground will not bear its crops, the people will curse Me. They will raise their hands with a fist toward Me; for they will not see that they are bearing the fruit of their own rebellion. No, My Child, these things will not cross their minds; for only a few really and truly love Me and My Son. Only a few the world over are righteous. Only a few love Me with their whole being and put Me and My Son first. Only a few and I am increasingly separating these out. I am increasingly removing these far away from those, who love the world, so that all the time, they have less and less in common with others. Yes, this is a great separation going on. There is an isolation going on and it is severe. It is critical; for it is painful for My Loved Ones. It is a difficult time for them; for many are asking, ‘What have I done that all these things are befalling Me?’ ‘Why are so many turning on me?’ Why is life so hard?’ And, My answer to all their questions is this. I am removing Mine from among them, lest My very own get tarred with the same brush. For to those, who choose blindness, a greater blindness is given. For those, who choose deafness, a greater deafness shall befall them. For, those, who love a lie, a greater lie shall hit them. For those, who choose rebellion, a greater rebellion shall hit them But, for those, who profess a love for Me and My Son, who want to do what is right, a great purge through the fires is at hand. Through the heat of My holy fires, I shall burn out of them all that is displeasing to Me. It is a time of great purging; for My Son is coming back for those, who are clean. He is coming back for those, who are pure. He is coming back for those, who are white as snow. And, I tell you, My Child, that if He came back right now, so few would go. So very few."

VOX COMMENT ANNOTATION: Is This Guy Full of Shit - or what???! Geeezz

Posted by The Truth @ 11/15/2003 10:28 AM EST


Yes, My Child, you have and My judgement is going to roll across America from one end to another. Not just judgement for My people! But, judgement for the evil ones over you! You will see My judgement hit the Bushes and the Clintons in plain view of the whole world. I am putting enmity, a great enmity among the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds and the Royal Family of England. Those, who have been united through evil, will now turn on one another, like rabid dogs. I am putting enmity among the secret societies and I will begin to empty them out. Their evil schemes, which have worked in the past, will fail them over and over. I am putting a great greed in the heart of Putin of Russia and he shall set out to undermine all agreements with the USA, with the Royal family of England and with other nations. I shall cause a furor to rise up in him and I shall draw him forth, bit by bit against the Bushes and against any and all agreements with America. I shall align him with the Arabs and with the Chinese toward destruction of the free world.

Posted by The Truth @ 11/15/2003 10:36 AM EST


And, at this point, what group could save themselves from this corrupt system? What group? Have some not tried? Did your forefathers not try to save you from them; but systematically, over time, these same evil ones have eroded all your rights? They have systematically destroyed the moral fiber of this land and have worked very hard to make your churches empty and vacant pawns of their own molding.

Yes, My Child, the handiwork of the fake Jew Satanists is obvious all over the world. And, now, they are moving in for the kill. Out in the open and without regard for anyone or any laws, they’re moving ahead according to their grand Luciferian design. In their bid for the New World Order, they will go out and kill any person, who gets in their way. They know no bounds and they despise all sources of truth, which would paint them for what they are: cold-blooded and ruthless murderers, swindlers of the greatest kind, frauds, fakes, rogues, sexual perverts and egocentric hounds from hell. Yes, My Child, they are hounds from hell. They are virulent, vitriolic, loud, angry, cunning, ruthless, and barbaric demons from hell, who will do or say anything to get power and to stay in power. For, they lust for power, like some lust for sex. They are drunk with power and stay drunk with power as they continue to walk over the dead bodies of their pawns in their bid to control every facet of every person’s life.

VOX COMMENT ANNOTATION: Can you believe that in the 21st century that their are still delusional crazies like this out there? And what the hell is this guy's hang up about sex? Sex is awesome!

Posted by The Truth @ 11/15/2003 10:42 AM EST


"And to bring judgement upon the evil leaders of America. My Child, if the brave ones do not rise up against these evil ones and put them in their places, they will soon set off a catastrophe, which is so great, that all of America will be under speedy martial law. The whole reason for provoking the Arabs, for provoking North Korea and other nations is to cause more attacks on America. The whole plans of the evil ones are wrapped around the destruction of America and its Christian population. So, this is their agenda. They believe that if they gouge North Korea enough, that it will attack America. They will have martial law and with your troops outside of America, they will use foreign troops to save you from the dissidents within. The cattle cars with the guillotines will run. The crematoriums will gear up and the Christians will be short-lived. I tell you, My Child, this is at the top of their list. As more and more scandals come forth regarding the Bushes, they are becoming even more desperate. Their plans, along with the fake Jews, is utter destruction of America and its Christian population."

My Child, your government is bringing in many foreign troops, steadily taking your troops out of the country, and when the planned devastation hits, they are sure that you will welcome the Chinese roadblocks. They are sure that you will welcome the Russians, who will go door to door. For, they will be your ‘saviors’ in time of need. This is planned, My Child, and these plans are unfolding rapidly. To avoid this evil, which is imminent, people in large numbers must repent of their evil and they must humble themselves before our Father. Time is running out for America. For, if they (these evil ones) get their way, many millions of you will soon perish. I am Jesus and all is given in accord with the will of Jehovah, Most High God."

VOX COMMENT ANNOTATION: This must be joke. There can't still be people like this around. Tell me this is just some practical joke. This guy thinks America is a Christian nation??? America is a phony nation. Most Christians are phoney - they don't believe in god - they are just so fucking bored with their lives that they have nothing better to do than get lost in a haze of fake righteousness. Please stop cluttering my serious forum with your delusional fanatical fundamentalist simplistic MENTAL RETARDATION. Maybe go out and get laid or something - you need it bub.
vox

Posted by The Truth @ 11/15/2003 10:50 AM EST


wolfgang, you made more than a few valid points there. The connection to occult workings is increasingly blatant...these guys love the symbolism so much, it's a key to understanding them.
Let me just say this as a non-US citizen: American Foreign Policy is hated worldwide, not Americans. Before you get your panties in a bunch and start hammering at the keyboard, do your homework and research what's being said here. A lot of very wise stuff gets put out right under your nose; be humble, read and try to figure it out.
BTW, the Hinckley-Bush archive is all killer, no filler, Vox.
Keep up the great work, it's always a pleasure to peruse the site.
Truly, and I mean this, the most generous, funny and kind-hearted people I know hail from the US. And don't forget all the good music; jazz, rock, blues, country...hell, you name it, it comes from the good ole USA. Maybe that's why the big squeeze is being applied there.

Posted by Nicolas K. @ 11/15/2003 12:15 PM EST


One day in the life of the lonely
Another day on the round about
What do they need
Somebody to love

One night in the life of the lonely
There's a miracle on the screen
What did they see
Somebody to love

He guarantees you instant glory
Get your money on the line

Gotta send me a plastic Jesus
There's a check in the mail today
That's what I need
Somebody to love

We just won't eat on Sunday
Gotta buy him a limousine
Somewhere to live
Somewhere to pray

Every penny from the people
Keeps the wolf outside the door
Shop around and find forgiveness for yourself
But he'll give you more, yeah

[Chorus:]
Holy father, holy ghost
Who's the one who pays the most
Rock the cradle don't you cry
Buy another lullaby

Jack is nimble, Jack is quick
Pick your pocket, turn a trick
Slow and steady, he's got time
To commit another TV crime
TV crime

One day in the life of the lonely
Back again on the round about
What do they need
Somebody to love

Yeah

One night in the life of the lonely
Another miracle on the screen
What did they see
Somebody to love again

A supermarket of salvation
Take a look inside the store
Shop around and find forgiveness for yourself
But he gives more

Holy father - holy ghost
Who's the one who hurts you most
Rock the cradle when you cry
Scream another lullaby

Jack be nimble, Jack be slick
Take the money, get out quick
Slow and steady, so much time
To commit another
TV Crime, TV Crime
I think The Truth bought himself one to many plastic jesus!What is this my child bullshit.If I was his child I would kill myself after killing him first of corse.The real Americans need to read The age of reason by Thomas Paine here http://www.ushistory.org/paine/reason/index.htm .He explains why the bible is a made up book of fairytales that has caused more death and destruction than any other book or person since the begining of time.Lets all just stop fucking around and take back our country.If we must get yiolent so be it!I am not a violent person but if I have to become one for the sake of Americas future then so be it.I am sick of hereing about Clinton too.He is not the president anymore and he can do no damage so stop bitching about him.You might as well bitch about the guy who invented gunpowder.It was invented and it can't be uninvented so stop bitchin about it.Bush is a now problem who needs to be taken out of the whitehouse now!

Posted by Tha Advenger @ 11/15/2003 12:43 PM EST


VOX, lies can only last a lifetime, truth lasts for eternity, it is your choice.
My Child, this has been the way of Lucifer from the beginning. Being full of pride and vanity, he chose to usurp My power. He chose to usurp My authority. He chose to override My commands and knows no laws. He knows no morality and his comrades are the same.

My Little One, do you not see the sorting? Do you not see the separation? Do you not see the division, which is going on? It is a time, wherein each of you will choose obedience toward Me and My Son or you will choose the path of rebellion. You will either honor My commandments or you will go the way of the evil ones. You will choose to honor Me and live or dishonor Me and die by degrees.

My Child, never in the history of the whole Earth have times been so perilous. It is truly well to work with the right hand and to keep it from the left. Treachery is at every turn. None can be trusted; for their eyes are upon evil and their ears are closed. Through their rebellion, the masses have chosen their own delusions. They have chosen their own darkness and hence their own destruction.

My Child, in all the world, there is not 1/10th of one percent, which is righteous. You have heard Me correctly. There is not 1/10th of one percent."

Posted by The Truth @ 11/15/2003 12:46 PM EST


"The Truth" sounds like a spook.

They can pollute rational discussion and render a thread ineffective.

Let's not talk about reptiles, UFO's or the antichrist in this thread if we can help it.

Instead, let's concentrate on getting rid of the patriot act, homeland security, Diebold voting machines, the media monopoly, the Federal Reserve and this wanderlust for occupying foreign countries.

Posted by sammy @ 11/15/2003 01:28 PM EST


"Over 98% of ALL the money in the world belongs to less then 2% of its people, therefore only 2% of the money is left for the remainder 98%"
The 2% with all the money(ruling elite) have a MONOPOLY ON THE MONETARY SYSTEM!
If America is to take back her republic you must reclaim your currency! Expose the deceptions of "The Federal Reserve" - ie who owns it? You must do it peacefully now! At the present you risk being a dissident, or enemy combatant, if you wait until martial law is called, it is surely to late, where is most of your National Guard(what about Homeland Security!). The last country to move local and state authorities under federal control was hitler!!

Posted by Harry Flakenswel @ 11/15/2003 01:33 PM EST


The Truth is talking about himself and his son as if he thinks he is god.What is this "my little one""my child" bullshit.Go back to your tv and watch your 700 club and send in your buck to be saved like bush did.This site is to help people figure out how to make our country a better place to live.You disgust me with your insane rambleings.If you don't have something useful to say then go crawl back under the rock you came out of.I hate to even waste my time responding to your kind but your so typical of exactly what is wrong with this country.In fact there is another asshole just like you who also thinks he is god and that fools name is BUSH!!!

Posted by Tha Advenger @ 11/15/2003 01:53 PM EST


I'm glad to see people waking up to the fascistic nightmare unfolding around them. Its good to get pissed off about it all. And then we have to keep our heads and be rational and productive about creating solutions. In the end all that matters is love. So thats what our aim should be as we find our way out of this mess crammed down our throats from these one world fascists.

Posted by IslandCougar @ 11/15/2003 02:33 PM EST


It is important for people to realize that these events are not entirely random. There is a move to "consolidate" power in the world today largely because powerful interests see it as their chance to take over permanently. Spurred by the belief that populations can now be entirely controlled and that power, once obtained at this point in history, will be held esentially unchallenged.( Thus the much heralded "End of History" predicted by tschnocrats and SF writers)
This opportunity is being greedily eyed by power elites around the world each trying to make right moves to come out on top.
Resources are strained on this planet and some people have figure out that to consume it at its' present rate in a short time is the end of "wealth" Or seize power and make it last a chosen few longer. What we are seeing is like hoarding food. unfortunately, A massive kill off humanity is necessary to have this plan be effective.

Posted by Swordman B.C. @ 11/15/2003 06:20 PM EST


Reality pill.

"A Stern Warning to the world About the New America."

http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2003/11/80464.php

Posted by charlie @ 11/15/2003 06:41 PM EST


voxie... re: comments to the truth......hehehe......extremely hilarious....enjoyed immensely and have to agree with you too!!!
if you know what i mean:)

Posted by jhf @ 11/15/2003 07:11 PM EST


Speaking of male offspring, watch Jeb. If you think George is bad, trust me - you ain't seen nothing yet, as the saying goes. There have been periodic rumors that he's the successor to the throne. Of course now he has some competition from Arnold the Gropenator, but nevertheless, Jeb is a dangerous, dangerous man. Remember that he wrote part of that PNAC document.

Posted by RedQueen @ 11/15/2003 09:59 PM EST


good effort everybudy except for the man of truth! clearly doesnt read let a lone think! the problem with all this shit is there is only one way to take out these fuckers. thats to be there. on the inside. we are so caught up with hating them and wishing there demise that we have to realise we are gonna have to be up with them to beat them. lets just hope when we get there we dont give in to the money like they did.........! anybuddy fom england - see you on thursday!

Posted by barry white @ 11/15/2003 10:32 PM EST


Hey Vox, i was just wondering why you have the drudgereport and democratic underground listen together in the New Resistance list. don't you know they both hate each other? and drudge is hardly anti-bush.

Posted by Zonze out @ 11/15/2003 11:56 PM EST


perhaps there is an alterior motive for the current horror show...the sun appears to be undergoing extreme changes, possibly by inflowing energy, large comets impacting, etc.

the powers that beast have huge underground chambers with cities built on shock absorbers, a mach 2 mag-lev train to connect them

are they giving us the last squick and boning before they run off to their boltholes and leave us behind?
===================================http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/wcouncil.html

Nov 2004 is anticipated by some traditional Elders to be a time of change and happenings [the earth´s spin is engineered or conducted by the sun, but the sun will withdraw electrogravitational forces (no, the sun won´t go out, quite the opposite) leaving the earth to wobble by momentum only and to align to a new spin--Kent]

The Elders all say that the way to survive anything that might be coming is through serious daily prayer and connected spirituality rather than mundane chores like stocking up on supplies. And that the more people of an area who are connected and grounded spirituality, the greater the likelihood of that area being spared some of the upheavals of grandmother earth--the Hopi said, those [sacred] areas will raise like mesas...

EDITOR´S NOTE: there has been some follow-up concern by the true Elders and their representatives about "uncertain elements" at the conference. I myself noticed a few spooky-types that were attendees, and we are trying to sleuth them out. There were indeed authentic Elders, Grandfathers and Grandmothers, as reflected in these reports which passed my own screen of discrimination. But some few may have been on the scene who were not of supportive intent. I also witnessed during outside ceremonies flyovers of what appeared to be military choppers--no surprise to Kent, in fact such evidence of opposition only enhances the power and urgency of the valid messages given. Keep on mind that three years ago the Sun Dance was raided by SWAT-spooks, assault choppers, CIA, FBI, ATF! Some of the Elders were shaken up! What a weird world we live in now!

Posted by sickuminatus @ 11/16/2003 12:34 AM EST


OK The general question is, how long this cicus is going to last ? It just happened that if you go to www.nesara.us you will find that for a" number of years"some people have been active to claim a recent act of law issued by the supreme court of America (in secret, signed by Clinton and ratified by congress 2002) The announcing of this act of law is apparently iminent and include the resignation of the white house team and a complete reorganisation of the monetary system with abolition of the IRS and more. IT SOUNDS VERY GOOD. I have a problem we this "marvell" Any body who read the "protocols of the wise men of zion" know that the ELITE wants to enslave humankind by GRADUALY degrading the human condition to an unberable state and then ...come up and say; We've got the solution , A WORLD MONETARY SYSTEM BASED ON GOLD AND A WORLD COMMAND FROM THE HAGUE(where the world court is). Many people are ready to accept anything that promesses peace and prosperity for all.BUT HOW WELL FOUNDED IS THIS CLAIM ? or is it an other , "DRACONIAN,REPTILIAN,NAZIONIST, Trick ? VOXFUX should give us ALL information available on the subject as PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CONFRONT THIS SITUATION SOON (apparently before the 15 of december 2003)

Posted by Guy @ 11/16/2003 07:05 AM EST


George W Bush is a very caring and devoted Christian who puts his country before himself.......

But then again i am a FUCKING COMPULSIVE LIAR !!!!

Posted by martin Gman @ 11/16/2003 07:30 AM EST


I always believed that dubya the idiot was never steering anything,too stupid for that -he is being steered what to say -in fact i think he practises his lines in front of the mirror- checking his posture and pronounciation etc with the guidance of mama or other minder.The screenplay writers had to procure an idiot,and he had to come from family- too risky to get someone from outside- who better than dubya-you notice how restrictive and short his line are in public and media appearance.The poor guy is manipulated worse than a beauty queen entrant- really ease up the pressure on this poor soul- he knows not waht he does- in fact i think he gets yeeled at everytime he utters something outside the script.

Posted by dawood south africa @ 11/16/2003 08:21 AM EST


Janet is lost in the past too.Buch is a big time criminal and uses other peoples kids to do his fighting for him.(to die for him)Because he is to arrogant to ever think he is wrong about anything.Bush has been given everything to him his whole life and fucked up everything he has ever done.Do a google search on anyone in his family and add crime after their name,jeb,neil,Marvin,George,mini-george and you will find everyone of them involved in stealing millions of dollars from banks,spending all the cash and then going bankrupt.They all are tied to drug dealers and none have ever been charged with any crime because their family has ties to all the top cops and judges and daddy buch being ex CIA can cover up everything else.
"you know, the abuse of power has not been limited to the Bushes. Johnson, Nixon, and Clinton all practiced unprecedented amounts of abuse and corruption. why don't you ever talk about that?"I will tell you why we never talk about that.Because we can't go back in time and change the past stupid!Is it that hard to figure out?We can change the future if we all band togeather and get the crooks out of the candy jar! I think it hurts your credibility to ask stupid questions and VOX I am sure has better and more important things to do than to spell check.

Posted by Tha Advenger @ 11/16/2003 08:31 AM EST


Well they're at it again-never thought it would be Turkey-let the attack seem like the deed of anti semites-and at the same time denigrate the name of the "fundamentalists". and lastly drive the jews to israel to increase the numbers there as we need all the manpower we can muster - multiple agenda- just like 9/11.Media here in s africa already proclaiming it as attack by suicide bombers- how they figure that in explosion of that scale is beyond me

Posted by observer @ 11/16/2003 08:55 AM EST


Friends, I wonder if a shark would eat a Bush.......

Hey!!!! we can use the power of the collective mind to squash these salamanders.

Remember is NOT! unpatriotic to hate Bush's!!!!!!

Posted by country @ 11/16/2003 10:41 AM EST


Congratulations Vox on once again telling it like it seemingly is (i.e: that George W. Bush - as a President & world leader - is both THE BIGGEST FUCK UP IN THE WORLD EVER: just as he evidently is THE MOST HATED MAN IN THE WORLD EVER!).
In so bluntly stating what is fast becoming an increasingly obvious FACT: you echo the shared view of the majority of your readership.

The question therefore we should all be asking ourselves is: if Bush (the Bush Dynasty and all their fellow A-MORAL Autocrats!) are as detrimental to the plight of Earth Humanity as they appear to be, then WHAT ARE WE DECENT NOBLE WORLD DENIZENS GONNA DO TO THWART THEM BEFORE THEY ELIMINATE US ALTOGETHER???

Posted by Mother Of The World @ 11/16/2003 10:45 AM EST


nicholas ! i looove genuine and authentic american jazz---rock--blues---what have you- music---art---literature etc....in fact : i am a player and that gives me the energy to endure this struggle for liberation. long live b.b.king--hunter s.thompson--ry cooder--aretha franklin--the dixie chicks--willie nelson--duane eddy--stan lee--plus so many wonderful others that make life on this planet bearable. VENCEREMOS ! in memory of ricky nelson and jayne mansfield - best wishes wolf

Posted by the wulf (wolfgang) @ 11/16/2003 01:16 PM EST


You don't have a prayer getting your country back, unless you pray. The Truth was simply cutting and pasting from the website "WWW.PROPHECIES.ORG", a message from one of our lords prophets. If you all want your country back, it is essential that you know what is actually going on, it is a must read!! Your country has been leading the civilised world in ignorance for a long time, this is your biggest hurdle, you must all wake up especially the masses(whom are well pacified)!
Your only hope is to do it peacefully, or you will be arrested and never seen or heard from again! - All currently legal thanks to your Patriot Act. Your already behing the 8-ball, good luck!

Posted by Northern Canuck @ 11/16/2003 01:26 PM EST


nicholas ! i looove genuine and authentic american jazz---rock--blues---what have you- music---art---literature etc....in fact : i am a player and that gives me the energy to endure this struggle for liberation. long live b.b.king--hunter s.thompson--ry cooder--aretha franklin--the dixie chicks--willie nelson--duane eddy--stan lee--plus so many wonderful others that make life on this planet bearable. VENCEREMOS ! in memory of ricky nelson and jayne mansfield - best wishes wolf

Posted by the wulf (wolfgang) @ 11/16/2003 01:27 PM EST


The Truth and Northern Canuck must be the same asshole then because I just looked at that stupid site he posted and I know two strangers didn't just happen to post here and reconize the writings from a freak site like that one.Thanks for posting 20 times wolf you asshole!Take your retarded comments and post them on the spaceman sites you usually post on and leave this site for serious discussions.When the police state comes don't look to me to protect your worthless asses.

Posted by Tha Advenger @ 11/16/2003 02:42 PM EST


Hey "Tha Advenger" by the time the police state comes you will have already disapeared! You should ask Canada for help, since were the last country to give your country an ass whooping and burn your down your white house!

Posted by Northern Canuck @ 11/16/2003 03:29 PM EST


vox -good to know there are folk out who see it and say it as it really is.A reassuring departure from what we so accustomed to ie world of lies deceit and actors.hope your article swings many a perspective to the truth for what it is.it truly is amazing how many out there are mesmerised,deluded and blocked out from the reality of things.
the road is long - but with the likes and psychology of dubya it can be cut short.and you know what they're aware of it.that is why they're stepping on it -we going to see much more in the tradition if 9/11.
good work guy.

Posted by realist @ 11/16/2003 03:52 PM EST


`hey vox
lol there just a rite fuk up there both twatz and need 2 fetch a life. it would b good if they both had a nuke up there fuking asses

Posted by mini*gfr @ 11/16/2003 05:14 PM EST


Bush is the Fuckingest Fuckup that ever Fucked up.

Posted by sledgehammer @ 11/16/2003 08:03 PM EST


OH MY GOD, Northern Canuck I forgot about the great Canada war!"since were the last country to give your country an ass whooping and burn your down your white house!"Since were?Don't you mean since we were?And burn your down your?Hell,You can't even talk right so I don't think I would want your help "my child" I have my own armory!EH?

Posted by Tha Advenger @ 11/16/2003 08:24 PM EST


hrrmmm .. so thats about 2 postings pro-bush and about a 100 + anti-bush.

How does it feel to be in an ignorant minority "voxfux his mother"??

Posted by sledgehammer @ 11/16/2003 09:56 PM EST


why don't we americans amend the constitution banning corporate campain money.Ban corporate lobbying the congress. Corporations would have to lobby the american public, the public would then submit requests that were approved by the public. requiring presidents to meet certain standards

Posted by dana @ 11/16/2003 10:42 PM EST


Neo-conservatice Bush/police state worshippers such as "voxfux his mother" should remind themselves that Bush and his cronies wouldn't think twice about stomping on him, his loved ones and everything he values if it meant getting what they wanted.

Posted by ricardopear @ 11/16/2003 11:15 PM EST


Neo-conservative Bush/police state worshippers such as "voxfux his mother" should remind themselves that Bush and his cronies wouldn't think twice about stomping on him, his loved ones and everything he values if it meant getting what they wanted.

Posted by ricardopear @ 11/16/2003 11:15 PM EST


Vox, I love your artwork as much as your commentary.

Where did you get that photo of Bush, the dufus? The pose cracked me up.

Great humor with the mushroom cloud in the distance.

Are you an artist or does someone else do the artwork?

Posted by jamesoril @ 11/17/2003 12:04 AM EST


Vox,

Lets just hope HR163 (reinstate draft bill) doesnt pass. If I have to leave my home and buisness for this ass-hole in washington, Im taking a flaming roll of TP to his ranch. I hope we all can overcome this ridiculous overpolarized war on "terror" and work together for the good of humanity and not the financial elite. It really sucks that we waste so much time fighting against eachother for this illusion of freedom. The answers are so simple and the technology is available, so what are we waiting for? We're waiting for these religious and political fantics to break out of their mind prisons and get on the bus to enlightenment.

Jeff Rense
Art Bell
David Icke

I salute you.

Posted by Charles @ 11/17/2003 12:59 AM EST


Re: Draft

I would fight to preserve what I believe in. The constitution. Friends, Family, Liberty, Justice, Free Speech, Democracy...

All those fun buzz words.

Some things are worth dying for.

But fuck, Charlie, would you really go to Iraq because someone drafted you?

Maybe I just don't like authority but it would be a cold day in hell that I'd get on a plane to kill some Arab kids.

Parents out there, tell your kids to move to Mexico or Canada. Your kids shouldn't die because you like to watch CNN.

Posted by sammy @ 11/17/2003 01:39 AM EST


Dont worry sammy, im not going anywhere for that dick. Try and make me, see what happens.

Keep it real.

Posted by Charles @ 11/17/2003 02:54 AM EST


Well I lived in the States and while the people treated me well they were pretty ignorant. Recently I've been asking "Americans" what the population of the USA is. No-one could tell me and no-one could tell me what it represented as a portion of the worlds population.
What it showed me was that having power didn't equate to knowledge or the intelligent use of power.
You guys inflicted Bush upon the world and now you have to rid us of him. I saw a poll today that said 40% of the U.K. population polled said that Bush was "stupid," (and this is from a so-called ally.)
They never said that about their enemies. Come on - do smething!

Posted by Longtack in New Zealand @ 11/17/2003 06:42 AM EST


I entertain that conspiracies become reality when enough people believe it.

Why did we wan't this reality.Why have we created a monster in our midst.

I answer,as a challenge to be overcome.It is the demon within manafesting without to be destroyed.for us to feel free.

Posted by All is maya @ 11/17/2003 08:22 AM EST


Dana,That's a great idea but it has a sleight flaw.how easy do you think it would be for americans to amend the constitution banning corporate campaign money?I don't have a couple hundred thousand dollars to get a meeting with a lawmaker myself.Who is going to require bush to meet any standards?The people he appointed like Ashcroft?There is nothing wrong with your idea if we were dealing with an honest goverment but we are way past that.I have a daughter that is draft age and if anyone trys to draft her they are dead.I am an ex GI and did my time over 20 years ago so my kids wouldn't have to and I will be damned if they think they are going to try and take my daughter cause some fool who thinks he has person to person talks with god wants to steal another countrys oil.He ain't even got the balls to join the Army,he goes in the National guard then goes awol.Fuckin crackhead president!!!

Posted by Tha Advenger @ 11/17/2003 09:14 AM EST


there are legitimate criticisms of president bush and his policies. i just think you all should research some of the complex issues regarding the middle east and learn a little more about foreign policy before you criticize. you sound stupid and off the mark when you say bush and cheney concocted a war to get rich from iraq's oil. do some real research, instead of believing everything you read from a web site with no documented evidence or the latest michael moore propaganda flick.

Dear Pissant, I think term "dickhead" is more suited to you. It is you my ignorant jerk who sounds stupid. You know nothing about anything and you need to learn more about the world around you because you are living in a hazy hazy dreamworld. First of all, schmuck, I said that the principle reason why the ultra right wing fundamentalist industrialists attacked the Twin Towers was as a pretext for war against the free people of the world, not so much to steal the oil of Iraq, duh, (but they are quite happy to do that if they weren't such total fuckups) no you dumb dummy, IT IS TO LOOT THE US TREASURY. What the fuck don't you understand about that? The prize, the big treasure is the US Treasury- that's where all the money is, duh - well not any more. Now they have looted it all. Got it? It's REAL SIMPLE - THEIR GOAL IS TO GET ALL THE MONEY - DUMMY. Now you need to go away and spend less time sharing your mentally retarded viewpionts and more time READING VOXFUX.COM. and learning
Bye Bye Dummy.
It's time you wake the fuck up.
voxfux

Posted by pissant @ 11/17/2003 11:33 AM EST


right_on!!!!!

Posted by Deborah @ 11/17/2003 01:24 PM EST


I support Bush, despite what all of you say. There is no swaying me, as there is no swaying you. It is quite easy to bash any president. And besides who really gives a damn if we all die? No one. The whole world wanted all of us dead before, they still want us dead. there is no argument. It makes no sense to make "friends" with all of our enemies... they are just that... ENEMIES. Go ahead, make friends with some extremist Muslim...see if he doesnt kill you dead.

VOX COMMENT ANNOTATION: Gee, I wonder why the whole world hates us???
It wouldn't perhaps be because we have a President who has demonstrated to the entire world his complete and total committment to fucking the enitre planet up and stealing everything he can from anyone he can. It wouldn't perhaps be that, would it now? Muslims are only extreme when you fuck them over in an extreme way. Your problem is that you get all your information from the TV. And the American TV does not show you the MOUNTAIN OF BLOODY AND LIMBLESS AND DEAD CHILDREN CREATED BY US BOMBS, BOTH IN COUNTRIES THAT THE US IS "LIBERATING" AND WHERE THE ZIONIST SCUM IN ISREAL ARE KILLING ON A DAILY BASIS. Everyone else in the entire planet views these images OF THIS REALITY OF USA CHILD MURDER on their national Television every day, but the scum in the American media has as their PRINCIPLE GOAL to keep the American people from ever seeing this TRUTH OF AMERICAN SPONSERED CHILD MURDER. And it works! It worked on you. You believe that we are the good guys- and "They" are the enemy. You are an ignorant, uneducated, immoral piece of shit. I wish the terrorists would kill you, because you are the American "problem." The sooner the people like you, who refuse to see the reality which is slapping them right in the face, get whats comming to them, the better off the rest of us will be. But unfortunately, as usual, you fat pathetic ignorant scum will take us beautiful people down with you. Please die soon.
voxfux

Posted by mjm @ 11/17/2003 02:20 PM EST


Vox: Taking stock of the current situation (try typing after a intimate operation) and with the oldest son in Iraq, I just had to let you know (quick - where's my meds?) you are right on, right on, right on. Lost some friends in Nam and maybe my kid in Iraq. I check the dead-kid list everyday. Hate Bush, hate Cheney, hate them all. No difference in politics - they're all the same. The entire planet is in prison. I'd get off my butt and protest but (!) right now I can't even stand up. Anyway, kudos to the mom who announced at her Army son't funeral "George Bush killed my son". Where you gonna go? Personally I'm moving to Idaho but so what - it'll make no difference othr than getting out of the big cities and away from the crowds. Watch out for another 'terrorist attack' from the terrorists in the White House before the 2004 elections. Makes no difference - out votes don't count anyway. Gotta go. Keep up the good work.

Posted by OneVeryTickedOffMom @ 11/17/2003 03:00 PM EST


Hey,MJM or should I call you mouldy jism mouth,You are nothing but a racist peice of shit.If you support bush so much then go to a pro bush site instead of wasting the time of the people who are here to learn whats really happening in this country.The whole world might want assholes like you dead(I do for instance)because all wars are started by raceists like you.Bush is nothing but an extremist Christian,Ariel Sharon an extremist Jew,Bin Ladin an extremist muslim,and you an extremist racist asshole.I will make friends with whom I choose and no muslim has done anything to me so why should I hate him.The whole world doesn't want us dead.You just think that because you beleive Bush's lies.The world wants bush dead and bush is dragging us down with him.I guess you really think the arabs hate us(BUSH) because we are free.They hate us(BUSH) because we(BUSH) bomb them you dumbfuck!(YOU)Last but not least if you support Bush so much then why don't you go to Iraq and fight for him or are you a chickenhawk too.PS.And I AM A VET !

Posted by Tha Advenger @ 11/17/2003 04:16 PM EST


OneVeryTickedOffMom:

I can't imagine checking the dead kid list every morning. I hope he comes safely. It must have been tough for a mother to let him go.

Posted by sammy @ 11/17/2003 06:00 PM EST


You people complain about the president and his quest for oil. After you make your statements on the computer or a pep really you go home in a oil burning cars and then into a home that is 30% oil. And heated from oil. The fucking computer you used to type your protest for against Bush was made with oil.
YOU ARE ALL HYPOCRITS

VOX COMMENT ANNOTATION: Let me get this straight. What your saying is that since we use computers we should fuck over the people of the world and steal everything we can from them. Hmmm.You sound like an immoral piece of shit. Let me guess, you wouldn't happen to be Republican would you? How'd I guess that. I'll bet you're a fat pig too... How'd I guess that too.
please die soon.
Voxfux

Posted by Paul @ 11/17/2003 08:25 PM EST


you know paul, there ARE VIABLE ENERGY ALTERNATIVES currently available...do some research on this subject....it's about protecting dumbshit's oil company pals...why introduce alternative energies...they would be competing with the oil company slugs profits?.....i would be a very happy camper to utilize alternative fuel sources if they were readily available...they are not. the neo-cons have been supressing alternative energy for years...check it out, the info is there. so in reality... i believe that you are the fucking hypocrite!

Posted by jhf @ 11/17/2003 09:01 PM EST


People like mjm who say their support for bush can't be swayed are the types of Americans, who if presented with a stick with a piece of rotten meat nailed to it; and were it stuck in the whitehouse and called the president(republican), would worship it.

Posted by adrian @ 11/17/2003 09:30 PM EST


People like MJM and his alter ego Paul could easily be disinformation operatives.

I don't believe in censorship, but Vox could instead move some of the stupid posts to a separate proBush thread.

It would be humourous to read the dittoheads in succession.

This site is incredibly powerful and I hate to see it watered down and polluted.

This site scares the fuck out of the people in power. If they can't shut it down, they will try to pollute it to discredit it.

Posted by sammy @ 11/18/2003 12:21 AM EST


Don't you wish sometimes we could go back in time to like,
lets say, the horse and carraige days, where you had to ride a horse to get where you were goin. To eat, you had to farm, hunt and fish. Everyone knew a trade and helped each other out.
If there was a fire everyone came to help put it out and when a baby was born the whole community helped to raise him/her. (Dont get into the whole what about sickness back then. You know what? I bet you they were healthier back then.) And if someone mucked with you or your family, friends or property you could shoot em? Warning shot first of course.I took a step back this weekend and just watched how people in this country treated each other and came to the realization that it will never be fixed & the enemy has already won. Granted Im a Masshole and everyone up here is a dick. Everywhere you look there are 16 year olds who think there from Fast & the Furious zippin through traffic. Monster SUV assholes takin up 2 lanes ridin up your ass. Eminem wanna-bes swearing out loud in the malls with hoochie mamas with there 12 year old boobs hangin out (where are the parents). Trus story, I was at a movie and we were walking out and this little kid, probably 12 years old bumped into me. I said, excuse me, like I wish teaching him something, you know what he said...fuck you. You got a problem? Im serious! He wanted to fight me. I laughed at him ...but he wanted a piece!!! Oh, how I wished to be 12 again. People just bump into you, ignore you, are rude to you. I am only 31 but Im an old soul. I hold the door open for women. I wait my turn. I help out old ladies across the street. I have manners. I tip. I say thank you & God bless you & I dont believe in God. My point is, how are we as a people, supposed to change a nation when we cant even go out of our houses within wanting to throttle someone, and Ive come close. We need to chill out as a people and have some respect for our fellow americans or we'll never get anything done. I know the world is f@#$%^ but now I have a different approach and we'll see if it works. Live in the shadows, don't cause a scene, respect your elders, gather your weapons, if the day comes that I need to use em. Ill use em. In the meantime, spread the word. Wake up live as if it was your last day but do something that will ensure the next for either youself or the child who lives next door.
Ill see you in the mountains...

Posted by dogmonsta @ 11/18/2003 09:55 AM EST


Sometimes people draw comparisons between Bush and Hitler. I'd agree with those comparisons, yet the people who followed Hitler had something of an excuse for doing so: He was charismatic and his public speaking skills were second to none. However these nimrods who hang of Bush's every 2-syllable word have no excuse whatsoever. The guys an obvious illiterate retard who looks like a fucking chimp for gods sake, plus his policies are almost as insane as Hitlers.

Posted by brett @ 11/18/2003 11:40 PM EST


Sometimes people draw comparisons between Bush and Hitler. I'd agree with those comparisons, yet the people who followed Hitler had something of an excuse for doing so: He was charismatic and his public speaking skills were second to none. However these nimrods who hang of Bush's every 2-syllable word have no excuse whatsoever. The guys an obvious illiterate retard(No offence to the retards out there) who looks like a fucking chimp for gods sake, plus his policies are almost as insane as Hitlers.

Posted by brett @ 11/18/2003 11:42 PM EST


This article is worth reading because it is about a small vilage that was destroyed by elitist (NWO) types of the day some 500 years ago but it is still relevant today.

http://uk.geocities.com/theprofesor22/theLostVillageofHoo.html

Posted by MARTIN @ 11/19/2003 07:22 AM EST


I am not one little bit intimidated by bush blair or any of these fuckin assholes and if any of them or thir cronies tery that fear shit on me it doesn't work because I AM FREE and I do not need to be reactionary...becauise that's what they are counting that's why protests are actively encouraged because it gives the cops feds and generall anus-holes some reason to justify thier funding abuse of basice human freedom..so just attune to higher vibrations of copnciousness like being more silent and more peaCEFUL......

Posted by anonanon @ 11/19/2003 12:23 PM EST


"I think that the Military-Industrial-Republican complex is probably supplying the "insurgents" in Iraq with RPG's,bullets and missiles to defend themselves against the U.S Military. That way Bush can keep his war on terror going a little longer and he and his buddies can get a lot richer. "

Well I'm glad to see that your readers use reason and aren't just insane left wing pawns. Oh wait a minute.......

Posted by Kyle @ 11/19/2003 03:02 PM EST


"I think that the Military-Industrial-Republican complex is probably supplying the "insurgents" in Iraq with RPG's,bullets and missiles to defend themselves against the U.S Military. That way Bush can keep his war on terror going a little longer and he and his buddies can get a lot richer. "

Well I'm glad to see that your readers use reason and aren't just insane left wing pawns. Oh wait a minute.......

Posted by Kyle @ 11/19/2003 03:04 PM EST


Hey, Vox!
Right on the money, as usual, my friend!
This entire administration; Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Wolfowitz, Rice, Powell, Armitage, Feith, et al; These people need to be taken out into the woods, tied to trees, gut-sh*t, and left to &%$ slowly.
I, for one, would volunteer to do the deed.
To any fucking #ed who may be reading this; Listen, you sub-human lump of afterbirth, get the hell off Vox's website. You have no need or reason to be here.
Also, I just made a *&^%$ threat against your bosses! So why dont you come find me, asshole?
Track me down, suck my dick, bite my bag, eat my shorts, and lock my ass up! But dont think for a minute that you frighten me. You do not.
For every one of me, there are thousands of others you will never find. We will find you first.
The revolution is coming.
The resistance lives, and it grows.
One dead martyr is worth a thousand living soldiers.
Death to B^&h- Sic Semper Tyrannis.
Death to the New World Order.
Deo Vindice.

Dear Jazzman, I appreciate your passion. Undoubtedly the majority of the worlds population feels EXACTLY the same way as you. But since we live in a police state we sometimes have to express our hatred of this human scum in a technically legal way or else it opens up the doors for the United States Secret Service to kick down my doors and attempt another intimidation raid on my premisis, but this time they may shoot and kill me and plant a firearm on me and say that I drew a gun on them or some other such dirty but possibly typical trick. You get the picture. You see Jazzman, it is unconstitutional to restrict speech - even calling for the death of a President was considered by the founding fathers of this nation to be an important and protected form of speech, because sometimes the only way to effectively end tyranny is to simply kill the tyrant, if you know anything about history you would know that if George Washington was alive today he would call for the death of George Bush, absolutely positively. But there is a law in the United States currently that gives the federal authorities the go ahead to do a gestapho style raid on anyone who threatens the life of the President (No matter how IMPLICATED THAT PRESIDENT AND HIS FATHER ARE IN THE TERRORIST ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11TH 2001) and it gives those same feds the power to lock anyone who makes those threats away for a long time. So at Voxfux.com we must refrain from putting these thoughts to words. (Even though we may feel them in our hearts we musn't actually give them any LEGAL authority to lock us away.) The threat you have just made puts into motion any number of scenarios. They may try to build a case that so that the feds will attempt to confiscate my property (It's not legal, but in this Post Patriot Act New World Order Police State basically they can do whatever the fuck they want and there is not one to stop them.) Furthermore they may pose as someone named Jazzman and purposedly plant such posts as yours so that, again, they may raid me. It's called co-intelpro or provovation. It is illegal and unethical but hey, we are dealing with a NAZI in this Bush character so anything goes. So I took it upon myself to redact the part of your post that was technically illegal. Also I should note that since you have posted an e-mail they needn't bother seeking any logs from me (which I have summarily erased.) So I have nothing to give anybody. But I must also include this disclaimer. The above post which may or may not have originated from a group linked to Bush as a provocation or which may or may not have originated from one of the BILLIONS OF PEOPLE currently on this planet who would like to see Bush illiminated is posted independantly by an unknown person with no connection to voxfux.com. And even though the above threat is reflective of the majority of the worlds population we at voxfux realize the illegality of the above comment and have redacted the nasty bits, so please bugger off.
voxfux

Posted by Jazzman Tim @ 11/19/2003 03:42 PM EST


Ahhhh, there are kindred spirts out there. I was beginning to wonder.........Bush must go, but that won't be near enough to save us. Peace!

Posted by Tim @ 11/19/2003 03:44 PM EST


Jazzman Tim sounds like a fed to me.Pretending to be friends with vox and then making death threats on the pres.What are you trying to do?Get vox raided for association with a fake wannabe cop!

Posted by Me,myself,and I lean to the left @ 11/19/2003 05:03 PM EST


George Bush is an idiot. But big deal there are many of them out there. that what makes him so special. O ya thats right while being an ass he killed thousands of innocent people. In america isnt that thought of as a crime, as man slaughter. So why are the cops looking for him?????

Think about it

Posted by Allie @ 11/19/2003 07:03 PM EST


Bush........................
They siad 1 man cant change the world but just look at what he's done killed thousands of people practically over night.
To those who support him maybe you should take a time out and see past his lies!!!!!!

Posted by Brittny @ 11/20/2003 01:47 PM EST


Bush........................
They siad 1 man cant change the world but just look at what he's done killed thousands of people practically over night.
To those who support him maybe you should take a time out and see past his lies!!!!!!

Posted by Brittny @ 11/20/2003 01:48 PM EST


is it possible to have rage against the conspiracy & sympathy for the conspirators

I think the only thing that may hve a chance of stopping the conspiracy is by offering a kind of semi-amnesty for those involved. We could turn Washington DC into a penal zone and the conspirators would be able to live out their lives without fear of reprisal or any of the horrible punishment they have earned. They know as well as we do that if things keep going the way that they are going, that we are going going to get where we seem to be headed. I'm not saying this is neccessarily the best idea, it's just an idea.

We also have to have to take into consideration that some of these people are pawns, and have been to whatever degree, acting under various forms of mind-control.

I think we just have to try and open our hearts a bit, and remember the only reason we oppose them is because we were lucky enough to be raised by people who taught us the importance of freedom and beeing a good person. Maybe some of these people didn;t have that kind of influence in their lives.

Posted by Zabb Zabbadoo @ 11/20/2003 04:31 PM EST


is it possible to have rage against the conspiracy & sympathy for the conspirators

I think the only thing that may hve a chance of stopping the conspiracy is by offering a kind of semi-amnesty for those involved. We could turn Washington DC into a penal zone and the conspirators would be able to live out their lives without fear of reprisal or any of the horrible punishment they have earned. They know as well as we do that if things keep going the way that they are going, that we are going going to get where we seem to be headed. I'm not saying this is neccessarily the best idea, it's just an idea.

We also have to have to take into consideration that some of these people are pawns, and have been to whatever degree, acting under various forms of mind-control.

I think we just have to try and open our hearts a bit, and remember the only reason we oppose them is because we were lucky enough to be raised by people who taught us the importance of freedom and beeing a good person. Maybe some of these people didn;t have that kind of influence in their lives.

Posted by Zabb Zabbadoo @ 11/20/2003 04:31 PM EST


is it possible to have rage against the conspiracy & sympathy for the conspirators

I think the only thing that may hve a chance of stopping the conspiracy is by offering a kind of semi-amnesty for those involved. We could turn Washington DC into a penal zone and the conspirators would be able to live out their lives without fear of reprisal or any of the horrible punishment they have earned. They know as well as we do that if things keep going the way that they are going, that we are going going to get where we seem to be headed. I'm not saying this is neccessarily the best idea, it's just an idea.

We also have to have to take into consideration that some of these people are pawns, and have been to whatever degree, acting under various forms of mind-control.

I think we just have to try and open our hearts a bit, and remember the only reason we oppose them is because we were lucky enough to be raised by people who taught us the importance of freedom and beeing a good person. Maybe some of these people didn;t have that kind of influence in their lives.

Posted by Zabb Zabbadoo @ 11/20/2003 04:31 PM EST


Today due to Bush's ignorant and terrorist policies are the major threat to world peace and stability. The person whose election was fraud, his basic objection about weapons of mass destruction was fraud, proved that he can do every crime to fullfill his malicious agenda.
Which is now failing and the world is realizing that the ppl who sacrifice their lives are not terrorist , the terrorist are those who compel ppl to do suicide, cuz they don't have any other choice.

Posted by Asif Abbasi @ 11/20/2003 04:34 PM EST


Sorry about the multiple posting, I just assumed it would refresh. HEY EVERONE - IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY REFRESH - HIT "F5" AFTER YOU CLICK - Not that I'm saying that there aren't people who haven't done horrible, horrible things in the name of the conspiracy. I just don't think that our primitive desire for vengeance should eliminate a possible method of ending this foolishness.

Let's eliminate poverty, homelessness, hunger, pollution & disease here on earth, build nanotech and robots so that nobody as to do any work except what they want to do, eliminate aging, death and insanity, colonize the solar system, explore the multiverse and find out if God is out there somewhere, or in here somewhere.

Or we can all just keep being bastards and watch the world burn to a cinder.

If you guys realy want to have your childish powermad fantasies of world control and being a murderous bastard, just hold off on destroying the planet long enough and we can build you a nice video game where you can do anything you want without actually hurting anyone that can seem as real as you want it to be.

Posted by Zabb Zabbadoo @ 11/20/2003 04:43 PM EST


Did anyone notice CNN said all day yesterday they were going to cover the angar in England over Bush being there.I woke up early to watch,because I knew Bush would say something stupid and what did I see.Micheal Jackson turn himself in.The Police were beating people in Florida mosst of the day and I saw a few seconds of coverage of that.But damn if I didn't see about 2 hours straight of half the cops in CA and NV stake out the airports,the hiways,and nevernever land.Is this what our brains have been reduced to?There was no reason to even film him in the first place.I could have had more entertainment watching a rerun of cops.

Posted by Tha Advenger @ 11/21/2003 01:13 AM EST


Right on with your comments regarding dead children, vox! As a mother of 5 children, including a Guardsman who will soon be in Baghdad, fighting Bush's dirty war I really think these images are suppressed to whitewash the war. I've been reading al-jazeerah since the war began. What on earth is going on in Iraq these days? I think the journalists are pretty scarce. Good links for what's really going on are a blog from Baghdad: http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
amd www/thememoryhole.org.
I thank your readers for the good links. Keep up the good fight and pray for my son and his buddies! I am torn up about him going over there, but hope for the best. I have joined the local Democrats. It's like therapy, actually meeting people who are also outraged instead of constantly having to keep my mouth shut around brainwashed co-workers and relatives.

Posted by Artemesia @ 11/21/2003 02:28 AM EST


Northern Canuck, I don't know if you've noticed, but we in Kanada border this supposedly democratic giant that is lately enacting totalitarian laws against it's own citizens and has been prosecuting unjust and illegal wars abroad FOR DECADES.

First we colonized the whole world, now we are colonizing ourselves. The best brainwashing is indistinguishable from your thoughts. In other words, nothing much the average person thinks is even his or her own thoughts. Moulds are meant to be broken if one outgrows them though.

Also, in case you didn't notice, the same system exists in Kanada as in Amerika. They got the Patriot Acts I & II, we likewise got the same type of acts passed as law here. It's so low profile I don't even know what they called it. It doesn't matter, it's the same ripping away of the democratic fabric and the eventual sting of the whip.

Just ask Hitler's victims if there were laws passed to force the constabulary to obey their fascist directives. Oh...sorry...most of them are no longer with us to explain how the genocide was carried out.

Personally, I find the apathy of most Canadians appalling. We are a nation in our own right AND YET we have been manhandled first by the British aristocracy and for at least the last 80 years by the American gangsterism of consumerism.

Although both the British and the Amerikan varieties of colonialism and empire come from the same dark bottle of poison.

Raped in fact, for our natural resources, but notice not nearly as bad as the Third World. That's why they can buy our support, they own us anyway, so why not admit it? It doesn't necessarily mean you agree with it.

The Amerikan government needs us to be quiet and submissive up here in the land of snow and other myths. They swear there's no clear-cutting going on behind that fringe of trees. Dan Rather said so, and he wouldn't lie...would he?

We are so tied to Big Amerikan Interests and Big Amerikan Kulture they'd have to seperate us with a chainsaw siamese-style!

What sickens me the most is the ignorant flagwaving people (Yay! the Maple Leaf, let's sew it onto Old Glory) who should know better than to believe we even HAVE a country in the first place anymore.

I personally DON'T want to be an American, but the fact is if they go down to anarchy or invasion (can't happen here...never happen here) so do we.

I mean, look around you, Northern Canuck, piously believing we Canadians are going to somehow be exempt from the consequences of what's going on under our noses way down south, is smug to say the least. Actually, it's also naive and dangerous to have such beliefs.

They sold us out to the highest bidder long ago. You know when they clear-cut a forest they try to leave a thin swath of trees along the edge to hide the destruction. Well that's what most of us are looking at here in Kanada and don't even realize it. Same everywhere really.

And our media faithfully parrot the Amerikan party line, except in rare instances, so that proves they control everything in Kanada too.

We only have the pale illusion of freedom, it's not the same as the real thing. People support Amerika's wars here in Kanada because they really believe Amerika is still the Light of the World.

The naive supporters of this war must be living in the past, must have seen too many John Wayne movies, confusing the Amerika of wishful thinking and cherished but false beliefs with the looming dictatorship we see cloaked before us now.

So what makes you think we're so immune up here? You can bet whatever they plan for Amerika they will carry out in an identical fashion here in the land of the bland, the land of snow, igloos and smug Canadians.

Ever watch a platoon of soldiers marching up a Michigan highway in full combat gear not 10 miles from the border? Well I have in 1988, and I wonder what event they were practising for.

Amerika is an EMPIRE now, and empires suck neighbouring countries into their dark national vortex of empire and conquest.

Anybody who thinks these malicious political problems are going to stop at national borders should step out the box they are standing in, as Vox sez, 'cause playtime is over.

Granted, I expect the percentage of Canadians who oppose the war is a bit higher than the American one. We Canadians have always thought of ourselves as a basically decent non-violent nation, so our government pretends to be that too.

It doesn't lose votes or support from the people that way, even though our laize' faire low key nation was founded on the genocide of the native peoples, the same as 'UNITED STATES OF AMERICA', which by the way added 'THE' to 'UNITED STATES OF AMERICA' when they created the Federal Reserve and sold the birthright of the American people to the vampire 'private' interests.

Essentially, they switched the real document with a forged one and that's why they added 'THE' to the title.

Anyway, officially we still suck up to the Queen in this country, and we are considered her loyal 'subjects'.

To be a subject means to be a thing, to be a thing you are considered less than human by your 'majesty' and as such you are then more or less PROPERTY!

A vile suggestion at the dawn of the twenty-first century, but this is how they elected to enslave us. How did they do it? How did they manage to set us back 10,000 years?

Systematically and secretively.

Because the ideal slave is one who does not know he or she is a slave. This whole mentality towards us is ancient and sefdom is being revived and magnified 100x because of the new technology.

The trouble is, as someone else whose name I forgot said, that we are essentially operating within the confines of the Medieval Mind.

So no matter how sophisticated the technology gets, it's still the same mentality operating it. The serf did not really believe he could ever be free from the clutches of the nobles, so well kept were the ignorant in bondage.

This ruling class believes it is their god-given right to enslave the billions of humans on this planet. They have always believed that, right back to ancient times. They must be disavowed of that notion.

If we are indeed heading towards a new kind of consciousness that recognizes the rights of all and not just a select few, then there will be no place for the old medieval mind-set amongst the new world, and the spirit of co-operation that is hopefully evolving out of this unhealthy and dangerous age.

There must be support between peoples of different nations, not just to smash them all together into one chaotic tyranny as the NWO would have us do, but to preserve our nations and national borders for future generations who deserve better than our world is currently offering.

Just wishing Americans 'good luck pal' is like signing your own death warrant. If THEY don't survive as a nation, WE sure as hell won't either.

Think about that, if there's a payback from the rest of the world for this war (which war was that again...there's beeen sooo maaaany?) we are sure as hell going to reap a whirlwind too.

And also there's way more guns in Amerika than Kana-doo-dah - don't know if martial law were declared if that's a good thing or a bad thing, 'cause you can tell they are just itching to declare it to prove they are omnipotent and therefore gods of every nook and cranny that walks, crawls or slithers, albeit they are of the tin-god variety and therefor useless and obsolete, but they don't seem to realize it.

There, just demolished some Canadian myths, so how about this for bullshit. 'We' Canadians, they tell 'us', aren't taking part in this 'anti-terrorist police-action', except as observers.

Back in March I got stopped at a level crossing by a train carrying at least 3-400 brand new tanks and support vehicles, each one capable of destroying an Iraqui family and their home.

The multi-nationals are here in our country too, cranking out WMD.

By the way, isn't every weapon used in a war a Weapon Of Mass Destruction?

If it kills or maims someone, that is massive destruction isn't it?

Let's face it, only by massive civil diobedience will anything ever get changed. People have to vote with their dollar too, that's just about the only way to affect these creeping nazis goons with their communist Malthusian Doctrine.

Why not make 'them' and some part of the system expendable, instead of always the common man being expendable, most of who if they they weren't so dumbed-down and taught the greedy art of coveting, would probably have a shred of decency left and know enough not support a system that commits such atrocities and crimes against humanity.

'You can't stop us
On the road to freedom
You can't keep us
'Cause our eyes can see

Men with dead sight
Men in gran-ite
'Knights' in armour
Bent on 'chivalry'

Anyone who buys into this dangerous expansionist Empire of Delusion, should be able to see their reflection clearly in a pig's eye, if they have a mind to stare into the belly of the beast; and of course a strong stomach to go along with the overpowering stench that can surely be detected right under their noses and reaching up to heaven itself.

Namaste.

Posted by screade @ 11/21/2003 12:33 PM EST


You are not alone in how you think and feel!

200,000 people went to the anti-bush demonstrations in London yesterday. This is the biggest number of protestors on a midweek demonstration. When you think of how many other people would have liked to have gone but couldn't, say, because they had to work, that adds up to a lot of unpopularity!

I've been keeping an eye on the coverage of Bush's visit in the uk media which at first was really anti bush and pro the demonstrators. Great I thought, how refreshing that the papers are actually representing public opinion. Of course when he actually arrived this all fell into the background and suddenly the polls were saying that 57% of people are now supporting blair/bush. BULLSHIT. I don't know anyone who agrees with that. Who did they ask? A sample of 3 at a labour party convention?

I also noticed that the fact that Bush asked the foreign secretary David Blunkett for the right "to shoot to kill" any stray protestors that might get in his way was almost totally ignored by the media. Thankfully, England isn't quite into the whole gun thing (yet) and it was denied.

Bush then had the audacity to say that he was "all for the expression of free speech" Yeah right, 'express yourself' too closely (a couple of miles radius) and I'll blow yer brains out for the priviledge.

You're not wrong.
Don't let the buggers grind you down.

Posted by disillusion @ 11/21/2003 01:57 PM EST


Actually, I'd be willing to bet that most of those who are trying to bolster up the war effort by trying to convince 'us' of the legitimacy of this war (ha ha ha uneducated idiots! should go do your homework first before you step in a place like this) are really here because they harbour secret doubts themselves about their beliefs and are looking for a way to find out the truth without losing face.

Way down deep they know they are being systematically lied to, used and abused. But they love their country so much they can't quite give up their pride and patriotism and just admit they were wrong. Actually, it really means you'll become more of a patriot, not less by admitting you are wrong.

It's OK, we almost all of us believed in some aspect of the BIG FABRICATION at some point. Really, sorry for calling you idiots, so many stupid people, very few that are aware, it's frustrating but that will change, soon I hope.

Hey, just change the angle of your little night light called 'blind faith' that helps keep away the nightmares of a world gone mad.

It might help change your perspective about conspiracies, which are not just conspiracies at all, but HARD DOCUMENTED HISTORICAL FACTS.

So these genuine facts aren't on the nightly news, that's because those who own 99% of the wealth don't want you to know they've been raping your conscious mind since before the day you were born.

Maybe we shouldn't call 99% of the population stupid ignorant peasants who wouldn't know a fascist from a forest of trees.

After all, one day a fool could get smart so there's always hope even for the most deluded. Let's give them a chance to air their starched views in plain sight of us - most of them are only using strong language to cover up a weak argument anyway.

I say bring 'em on, I need the practise, getting rusty you know. My pen becomes a sword and then my sword a pen again.

But it's tempting to tear a strip off everyone like them who thinks wrong is right and argue that white is black, but there's SO MANY IDIOTS I can't really deal with them on an individual basis.

Why are they here if not to eventually agree with us and haul their brains out of hibernation mode!

So I'll try not to polarise those who seem to all intents, morons of the highest degree, because I know they are really not, but none are so ignorant as those who are willfully ignorant.

As George Harrison said on his song 'Brainwashed',
'NOTHING'S WORSE THAN IGNORANCE'.

By the way has anyone checked out the picture on the cover of the album 'Brainwashed'?

It's a picture of our happy nuclear family with their 'baby' on their lap, which is of course, a TV, the greatest vehicle for the liars of our age to spread their poisonous creed.

The family itself is composed of mannikins. How fitting, TV dinners with Caesar and trivial pursuit of non-existent terrorists. Be careful what you wish for...there are definitely two sides to this, and you can't believe in both viewpoints at the same time.

Or would you just prefer that the crocodile eats you last, so you can stay silent and 'go on believing nothing, saying something has to die?'

Posted by screade @ 11/21/2003 02:27 PM EST


WMD Attack On US Will
Likely Result In Military Rule
Gen. Franks Doubts Constitution Will Survive WMD Attack
By John O. Edwards
NewsMax.com
11-21-3

Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government. Franks, who successfully led the U.S. military operation to liberate Iraq, expressed his worries in an extensive interview he gave to the men's lifestyle magazine Cigar Aficionado.

In the magazine's December edition, the former commander of the military's Central Command warned that if terrorists succeeded in using a weapon of mass destruction (WMD) against the U.S. or one of our allies, it would likely have catastrophic consequences for our cherished republican form of government.

Discussing the hypothetical dangers posed to the U.S. in the wake of Sept. 11, Franks said that "the worst thing that could happen" is if terrorists acquire and then use a biological, chemical or nuclear weapon that inflicts heavy casualties.

If that happens, Franks said, "... the Western world, the free world, loses what it cherishes most, and that is freedom and liberty we've seen for a couple of hundred years in this grand experiment that we call democracy."

Franks then offered "in a practical sense" what he thinks would happen in the aftermath of such an attack.

"It means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world - it may be in the United States of America - that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event. Which in fact, then begins to unravel the fabric of our Constitution. Two steps, very, very important."

Franks didn't speculate about how soon such an event might take place.

Already, critics of the U.S. Patriot Act, rushed through Congress in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, have argued that the law aims to curtail civil liberties and sets a dangerous precedent.

But Franks' scenario goes much further. He is the first high-ranking official to openly speculate that the Constitution could be scrapped in favor of a military form of government.

The usually camera-shy Franks retired from U.S. Central Command, known in Pentagon lingo as CentCom, in August 2003, after serving nearly four decades in the Army.

Franks earned three Purple Hearts for combat wounds and three Bronze Stars for valor. Known as a "soldier's general," Franks made his mark as a top commander during the U.S.'s successful Operation Desert Storm, which liberated Kuwait in 1991. He was in charge of CentCom when Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda attacked the United States on Sept. 11.

Franks said that within hours of the attacks, he was given orders to prepare to root out the Taliban in Afghanistan and to capture bin Laden.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/20/185048.shtml


Comment From John McIntosh 11-21-3

OK, the game is up. Franks would NEVER say something like this extemporaneously. This is a warning...a trial balloon...a softening-up of the American public for MARTIAL LAW. EXPECT an attack which will be called a 'WMD terror attack' against America...and then goodbye civil rights, goodbye due legal process and get ready for Guantanamos all over the US...to find those 'terrorists.' There will be mass roundups of people who criticize the government and our 'free press' will wither quickly.

And REMEMBER THIS: we will NEVER know for sure who was behind this coming WMD attack. Wonder if we'll see more Mossad agents jumping for joy and videotaping the event when it happens...

Posted by To little to late? @ 11/21/2003 02:31 PM EST


The first soldiers that get the order to EITHER round up or shoot AMERICAN CITIZENS should immediately turn their guns on whoever gives the order. In this way you may have given your life for your country, which is what you have sworn to do but will inspire the many who will follow you and eventually, from the ground up root out the criminally insane in this country.You true patriots have the weapons to defeat the enemy within. Use them!

Posted by cnarlie @ 11/21/2003 07:01 PM EST


The first soldiers to get the order to EITHER round up or fire on AMERICAN CITIZENS should immediately turn their weapons and fire on who ever gives that order. This is an order from the American people. In doing so you may have to forfeit your own life in defence of the United States from enemies within and without, foreign troops stationed in this country , which is what you have sworn to do.But in so doing you will inspire the many, I can assure you , who will come after you and eventually root out the criminally insane from the ground up and free your country and the rest of the world from this tyranny, so bad, it cannot be comprehended by the human mind. You have the weapons to defend your country, use them.

Posted by charlie @ 11/21/2003 07:16 PM EST


I don't know about the rest of you but this whole thing is making me sick.The cops are so brainwashed they would shoot you in a heartbeat.look at the people that just got their heads busted open in FL.I wrote my congressmen till I was blue in the face and all I ever get back are generic letters thanking me for my opinion.I don't think this is how our goverment was meant to be run.I have honestly run out of ideas of things to do other than fight to the death.Does anyone know any more sites like this for ideas how to get these fools out of office and in prison.This is not a free country and has not been for a long while.I go to information clearing house and what really happened everyday and just get sick because you NEVER see any of this stuff on the mainstream news.I have been beaten many times by cops for their fun.I had a bodyshop and worked till 2am painting a car for a dealer one night and was going home.Me and my helper were in a blue Jetta and the cops drug us from the car in the pouring rain,stood on my head with their boot and said we robbed a liquor store.The robbers were 3 black guys in a brown honda and we were 2 white guys in a blue VW.These kinds of things happened to me atleast 20 times during my life and I am in my late fortys.I have been maced kicked,jumped by 4 or 5 cops at once,beaten while handcuffed and then charged with assulting the cops while I was chained to a bench.These gung ho pigs enjoy this shit just like the goons from the SS in Germany probably did.I assume there must be a few good cops out there but when they get togeather it turns into a gang mentality and all common sense is tossed down the tube.I was reading some site where the goverment was so worried about the blacks taking over after watts that Regan set up a plan to arrest I think it was 20 million blacks and heard them to enternment camps.I think Ollie North was in charge of this though FEMA runs it now.From the comments of Tommy Franks it looks like this time is getting close.I hope those brothers can really shoot instead of that holding your gun sideways and look cool cause looking cool when your dead ain't to cool.I saw two dummies rob a senators wife on TV.They kidnapped her,drove her to the bank not knowing who she was and made her withdrawl 5 grand.They got caught the next day and will prob get atleast 20 to life.The senator instead of thanking the bank for saving his wife cussed the teller out and threatened to sue the bank.This is how low these scum are.He wanted the teller fired.I wonder if these rich fucks even care about their families or if they are just trophy wifes to go with their trophy houses.I keep dreaming of ways to get even and I tell you one thing,if these rich fucks started to lose people they cared for how would they think about money then.Is money more important than love.I guess to some people the answer is yes.When this war breaks out you can guess who I am gonna hunt first,the ones with the money!

Posted by Tha Advenger @ 11/21/2003 09:05 PM EST


"It's ALL about the Money"!! Ok. But money aint everythin... Some poor folks have very little money, yet they try to be decent, down to earth and love their neighbors. But, Some folks have all the money, but dont walk straight. They are indifferent to the needs of the Ordinary People. Where is the Middle-Class in the US today?? Just about Gone. Now we the 'haves' and the 'have-nots'. I see it everyday. There should be some balance. Problem is the situation is off-balance, like most the World. Any War in the World has never helped no-one. Think about it: Who Really 'Wins' in a war?? Banksters- maybe...
Not the Ordinary people, that's for sure! Nobody really wins!
We tend to rely too much on money. Ok, we all need some bucks to survive (in the present capitalistic mode), but have you given it some thought when the money-system turns belly-up? It can do because of: (1) Most 'Stock-exchanges' in the world now run in tandem, thanks to modern IT. (2) The global structural-weakness of bubble/paper economies. (3) The previous up/down cycle of business dynamics is not as noticeable/effective as it used to be. (4) The US used to be a major exporter of real-quality goods. But today's exports are nowhere near the volumes of the 1950's~1970's. (5) By grand design? Perhaps towards to longterm establishment of the NWO? To make way for the '3rd Way'? A cashless society? Some years ago I recall the Two movies: "Escape From New York" and BladeRunner. Remember those? Looks as if we all headin in that direction! That's why i say money aint everythin. Learning the Art of Survival makes more sense. If you can predict pretty close where 'the world' is headin, then your chances for Survival is that much greater! No need for rocket-science stuff here. Just strt logic. The Net is your Best Friend for survival info. Save the info.for later use, as the Net could go dwn. Can you for example: design/construct a simple structure for shelter? Do you know where to find water? How sharp is your First-Aid? You would in all probability have to set up your own 'infra-structure'. You have a well-stacked up First-Aid Kit?? You must remember a fact of history proves that ALL weapons ever made by man will be and has been used Against man. Period! Get out of the Big Cities (Worldwide) and move to the mountains. Even the far inland small rural towns would be better in the interim.(You know that one must always have a 'plan B' and even 'plan C'). So Plan Today! Your survival is in your hands. In Future 'money' will buy nothin!!!

Posted by DoomSlayer @ 11/23/2003 09:39 AM EST


I have what I feel is a good idea.Why dont we take up arms en masse, I mean organize a massive march against the white house.Lets go evict Mr Busch i mean Mr Bush.
If there are alot of us, who's gonna fight it?The Revolution most certainly is coming.And Im willing to take it all the way,im willing to be a soldier of god because thats what any person who fights and even dies to stop tyranny is, a soldier of god.Fuck Bush, Fuck Cheney, people are beginning to grow more annoyed with them by the day. And to any of you murdering CIA scum fucks that might be monitering this site know this, America is waking up! We arent going to take this shit very much longer.And if Vox has an accident, then we will know for sure wont we? Than we might decide to do something drastic might'nt we? The New World Order will never happen, The goddamn United Nations doesnt need to be owning Americas national parks.I dont need a computer chip implanted in my fucking head.And Im willing to die a "criminal" before Im willing to die a sheep. You terrorist fucks in the white house are going to curse the day you allowed 9/11 to go down. Believe it. Fear it, Revolution is coming and its coming now.

Posted by Chapel @ 11/24/2003 01:00 PM EST


What we need is a leader. Someone who is going to publicly rally this country into a fury and lead a resistance for change. To run it like it was supposed to be run. On the backs of hard working americans who cherish the chance to earn their weeks paycheck. Someone from an independant branch who IS educated and has seen the horrors and peace of the world. Someone who HAS been in the system and sees how WRONG it is...who has the courage to stand up and get angry fist waving pissed off swearing at the camera...what the fuck is wrong with you people, attitude. Someone who believes in alternative energy and mandating a death sentance for murderers, rapists & child molesters. Someone who will see the welfare system is destroying this country because hard working blue collar employees are payin for your fat ass and your punk ass kids, get some pride pig. Yes, there are some who need it and I for one would gladly help them. Closing our borders, NOW! Oh, you say, whos going to clean our trash or work those jobs no one wants to do? FUCKING HIGH SCHOOL KIDS ASSHOLES! I had to do it, you did it., we all had first jobs. yeah they suck but it teaches you morals and ethics and responsibility. OR you go to boot camp. No questions asked. You dont want to work, you serve... Make em clean the streets the country is filthy! Mandatory recycling bill. You get caught with paper or plastic in your trash you are fined. You say whos gonna enforce this? The cops! They sit around waiting for me to go 35 in a 30 they have time to drive down the street and just take a casual peekover...
like a parking ticket. Legalize marijuana...I dont smoke it a lot, but i know you do and your neighbor does too...alchohol & cigarettes kill more people a month than marijauna has probably killed in
50 years. But its illegal? Not a fact but just a hunch. Tax it. 21 & older. Deforestation laws. Guys trees give us oxygen you cut them down you dont breathe its that fucking simple. I have no problem with logging ...when there done PLANT SOME FUCKING TREES!!!!!!!! Ill be back after I eat lunch...someone step up please or someone who isnt cut for the job is gonna make a mockery of all your efforts and we'll never win.

Posted by dogmonsta @ 11/26/2003 12:11 PM EST


With all due respect, when they do the clear-cutting operations, they do replant, but it's not the same, you can't regenerate an old-growth forest overnight.

All you can do if you want something to grow really fast is plant poplars. Real forests take hundreds of years to mature.

But here's an idea; after they legalize marijuana (sure bud), start growing hemp and make that into paper, thereby saving the old growth forests, what's left of them.

But that would put some rich cronies of junta out of business.

What we need is real democracy that reflects the wishes of the people. And the only way for us to start a movement towards that is for everyone to stop considering watching TV a form of entertainment, and start thinking, and speaking for themselves and not like a bunch of fucking parrots.

Watch-ca-ching TV is like inviting an intruder to come into your house everyday and fuck with your mind and your family's mind. It should be the first thing you get rid of that is conspicuously NEW WORLD FODDER.

It's the one initial thing, which everyone should attend to if they want to start making a difference in this world.

"The revolution wil not be televised."

Posted by screade @ 11/26/2003 08:45 PM EST


Dear Vox:
I can assure you I am not a Fed, but I can assure you all day long and it's still just words in cyberspace.
PLEASE accept my apologies for going too far, as I realise I did. It was never my intention to place you in further danger; You're in enough as it is now.
If our situations were reversed, I am sure I would be as suspicious as you are. However, as you know very well, the REAL Feds do not need an excuse to knock down anyone's door, the bastards will just go ahead and do it. So why would they go to the trouble of posting a bogus comment on an online forum? Remember the Patiot Act's definition of a domestic terrorist: anyone who does anything which may be dangerous or harmful to human life, and which is presently against state or federal law. Under this definition, reckless driving makes you a domestic terrorist and can earn you the cell next to Padilla's.
Again, Vox, I'm sorry I offended you and the other readers of this forum. I went too far, got too vulgar, and crossed the line. While I retract the tone of my posting, I stand by the substance of what I said.
Is it okay now if I not "bugger off"?
Death to the New World Order.

Posted by Jazzman Tim @ 11/27/2003 11:18 AM EST

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