12/25/2003 Entry: "BE AFRAID THIS HOLIDAY- BE VERY AFRAID ! - voxfux"


Merry Christmas

The "chatter" coming from that piece of shit named George Bush and the CIA, CNN, FOX, Homeland INSecurity and the other tentacles of the New World Order terrorists is unmistakable and means only one thing - That this Christmas, just the same as last Christmas, just the same as every Christmas to come, they want to assure that as families gather to forget about what a shitty world this place has become since that scumbag Bush and his murderous New World Order motherfuckers destroyed it, that they will continuously remind us day after day, week after week, month after month, forever and forever - to be afraid, BE VERY AFRAID, and focus on their game of terror instead of our families.

The cancer in the White House must be removed. George Bush must be removed.

They pulled this "CONTROL THROUGH FEAR" game on us last year and they will pull this shit every year, untill they are dead and gone. For as long as there is a breath of air in their lungs, they will terrorize and kill us to keep us under their control. This is all they have. For what Bush fears most is that we will get together with our families and have a moment of peace in our lives - without his fear control mechanisms hanging over our heads. Because once we do finally have peace with our families, then HE IS POWERLESS.


We must fight them with everything we have.
We must destroy their tentacles of fear and terror such as Fox and CNN, and MSNBC and each and every merchant who profits from terror.

The New World Order is about one thing thing only. It is a prostitution deal where you get to suck on their shaft. And guess what your reward is for sucking so hard and long? You guessed it - you get to suck on it more and more and more. And then as payment for all your sucking you get the grand prize - More sucking.

Welcome to America - Welcome to Bushes NEW WORLD ORDER.

Where you obey every order, like an ant with a probe up your ass in some sick pavlovian experiment where they keep giving you jolts of electricity and you jump and you jump and you jump.

This is what will happen forever and ever and ever and ever. And there is only one solution. And you know what that is - the removal by any way possible of the scum at the top who is perpetrating this fear. Only by cutting the head off of the serpent can we kill this dangerous snake.

Bush is a cancer on the planet earth.

They are the merchants of fear. They must be eliminated.
Americans will be forced suck on their fear bombs until they kill us all or we kill them, which ever comes first. For as long as there is a breath of air left in these New World Order neo-con terrorists they will continue to destroy everything free and decent in the world today.

It is fear based mind control and nothing else. It is US based "Illuminati" terrorists, fronted by the Bush crime family, who absolutely positively perpetrated the attacks of 911. They have nothing but fear and terror for all Americans this Christmas and every Christmas and every day. Like last Christmas and last Easter they know that families will be together for the holiday season and there is only thing they want us to focus on. Their Fear Bombs. Their Terror Control Mechanisms.

The "Chatter coming in from the organs of the illuminati terrorists such as CNN and the CIA and Homeland Security can mean only one thing. That these controllers, these terrorists, despise each and every American family and they are laughing at us. They hate your guts and they want you dead.



Viewer Commentary: 103 comments

Yeah, listen to Bush. Raise the terror alerts, but advise everyone to keep on shopping and flying and and spending money etc. WHAT a crock of shit. George likes to have his cake and eat it too.
As soon as we all wake up to the fact that the powers supposedly protecting us from the terrorists REALLY ARE THE TERRORISTS, the planet will finally have a little hope. Til then, there's a lot of work to be done by those that are not asleep.

Posted by GREATWHITE @ 12/25/2003 07:43 PM EST

It's over.
People are to controlled [including bush] to even know what to do. The influence behind all of this mess is the Devil himself. No one person without influence is as nasty and hate filled as the evil people today. People are attracted to love naturaly. Not this sick shit we see happening today.
A level of awareness exists beyond what 99% of the people on earth know. And yet everytime the creator tries to warn people of that awareness to whats about to happen...... BOOM!!!!they choose to slam the door to knowledge
The evil will be removed but in no way is it going to be done by a movement of humans.....only God can. no amount of preaching from the rooftops will ever move people to take down bush. Bush is just a damm puppet.
You have no idea how deaply extensive evil realy is........you just laugh at the idea and procede with your own "Remedy". Won't work! Will not work!
Jehovah will destroy Bush and the rest of evil in this world and make it a better place for everyone.

That is the real truth!!!

What else is there realy? NOTHING!!

This world will die without doubt unless Jehovah steps in.

It is in a downward spiral that cannot be stopped!

Posted by Informed @ 12/25/2003 08:02 PM EST

Organized religion is as much of a cancer as Bush is. Maybe more.

Posted by GREATWHITE @ 12/25/2003 08:31 PM EST

Reply to Informed's comment:
While I'm personally not 100% sure which religion (if any) to follow, it's undoubted that the New World Order is run by Satanists (if you have any doubt, look at the hidden image of Satan on the back of German national ID cards!).

Even if Satan doesn't exist at all, their pseudoreligion is an inherently dangerous and evil one, and they must be stopped.

While it's entirely possible they'll be stopped by a divine entity, let's not rely on that exclusively -- if a divine entity does intervene on our side, great! If not, well, acting by ourselves is the only way it can be done.

[Note: By "fighting them", I mean spreading the word about them, which is what they fear most. Killing their puppets might be satisfying to some, but won't solve the problem. I don't condone any form of terrorism, neither government-backed nor "real".]

Posted by Not Bush @ 12/25/2003 08:36 PM EST

CNN (Paula Zaun) is running an hour long brainwashing special to condition us to accept religion over personal empowerment. The show is an examination of so called FAITH in America.

A female radio show host was just interviewed. She talked about how useless positive thinking is and how useless personal empowerment and personal growth is and that only through god can all of our problems be solved.

I think you are right Vox. The only solution to the problem in America is to Nuke these motherfuckers who are brainwashing us. CNN must die!

The Truth

Posted by The Truth @ 12/25/2003 09:02 PM EST

Merry Christmas and a happy new year to all.

Ignore the fear bombs.

They are running scared.

You can do anything you want to if you put your mind to it.

We will prevail.

Back to the family...

Posted by sammy @ 12/25/2003 10:43 PM EST

"Our leaders would have us believe this is a guerilla war, fought by thousand of foreign terrorist-soldiers hidden on our soil. But this is not what is taking place, and it is time to do a reality check. American are rarely targets of international terrorism, and almost never on U.S. soil.

In the year 2000, your chance as an American of being killed in terrorist attack in the United States was exactly zero. In 2002, our chance of dying in a terrorist incident was, again, ZERO. And in 2003, as of this writing, the total number of people to die in the United States from acts of terror? Zero. Even in the tragic year of 2001, your chance as an American of dying in a act of terrorism in this country was 1 in 100,000,
In 2001, you had a greater chance of dying from the flu or pneumonia (1 in 4,500), from taking your own life (1 in 9,2000), being a homocide victim (1 in 14,000), or riding in a car (1 in 6,500). But no one freaked out over the possibility of being killed every time you drove your dangerous car to buy a heart-disease-inducing doughnut from a coughing teenager. The suicide rate alone means that YOU were a greater danger to yourself than any terrorist. All these cuases of death were far greater than the terrorism, but there were no laws passed, no countires bombed, no emergency expenditures of billions of dollars per month, no National Guard units dispatched, no orange alerts and no non-stop tickers scrolling details across the bottom of CNN to send us in a panic over them. There was no respone from the public but indifference and denial, or, at best, an acceptance that these tragedies were just part of life"

-Michael Moore, 'Dude, Where's My Country?', 2003, p96-97.

"Why has our government gone to such absurd lengths to convince us our lives are in danger? The answer is nothing short of their feverish desire to rule the world, first by controlling us, and then, in turn, getting us to support their efforts to dominate the rest of the planet. Sounds crazy, huh? It reads more like a movie script, doesn't it? But Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft/Wall street/Fortune 500 see thise post-September-11-America-in-fear as their moment-
a moment handed to them by fate, via the terrorists - to seize the reins and ram the USA down the throats of any people in the world who dare question who is number one...

They know that REAL Americans are not into dominating anyone, so they have to sell it to us in fancy packaging - and that package is FEAR."

-Michael Moore, 'Dude, Where's My Country?', 2003, p 101.

Posted by Ricardo @ 12/25/2003 10:47 PM EST

Yes George Bush must go,
1. 7 people elected him (supreme court)
2. He is up to his neck in complicity in the 911 "terrorist" stunt
3. The illegal invasion of Iraq

One only has to look at the history of the last 100 years to see just how dangerous men in postitions of power like him are, has anyone heard of the riechstag fire, it was hitlers little terror stunt to crack down on opponents of his party and to secure his grip on power, gee sounds like what bush did to get the patriot act passed. Now patriot act 2 has been passed who's going to be the next victim nation, syria, venezeula, iran maybe even oil rich nigeria. And like hitlers terrorists attacked us pretext for the invasion of poland in 1939 the world will know its bogus but no one nation will have the balls to stand up and say for fuck's sake this is bu(ll)shit and were taking you down. But like the american war of independence to rid america of british expolitation you must stand up and have a revolution that's exactly why americans have the right to bear arms so they can't be manipulated by the elite. As many of you here already know there are empty prison camps all over america waiting for the next stage of the "war of terror" when they round up the freedom lovers the protesters and the people who get whats going the time to revolt is now not when the terror alert goes code red and you can't leave your home. Stand up it worked for vietnam (took awhile though) its land of the free for all not just the wealthy elites who want to fuck it all up and realise their dreams of a new world order. Fingers crossed that dear old george wakes up after a hard night on cocaine and forgets to check his diary and walks straigh in to the next cia/mosaad terror stunt with any luck dickhead cheney will be tugging on his arm telling him to go the other.

Freedom isn't free it must be fought for.

A pissed of NZ'er

Posted by Seth @ 12/25/2003 11:17 PM EST

I do not see why Wesley Clark is not covered more on this page.

The putative new Great White (Male) Hope of the Democratic Party, General Wesley Clark, came of age politically when he was seduced by Richard Nixon, for whom he cast his first presidential vote. He later voted for Ronald Reagan (twice), and for Bush père. As recently as two years ago, Clark was appearing at Republican fund-raisers. In Arkansas, at the Pulaski County Republican Committee dinner on May 12, 2001, Clark said “that American involvement abroad helps prevent war and spreads the ideals of the United States.”

Military Waste and Fraud - $172 billion a year
When it comes to wasting money, the Pentagon has no peer. For one thing, there's the single question of scale. For fiscal year 1996, the Pentagon budget was $265 billion ($7 billion more than it requested). That's 5% of our gross national product, a larger percentage than in virtually any other industrialized nation.
In absolute dollars (not as a percentage of GNP), the Pentagon shells out 3 1/2 times more than the next largest military spender (Russia), 6 1/2 times more than Britain, 7 1/2 times more than France, 7 1/4 times more than Japan, 8 1/2 times more than Germany. Our military budget is bigger than the next nine largest military budgets combined, and sixteen times larger than the combined military budgets of all of our "regional adversaries"- Cuba, Syria, Iran, Iraq, North Korea and Libya. It accounts for 37% of all military spending on the planet (in comparison, our economy is only 22% of the world total).
As enormous as the Pentagon's budget is, there's more military spending buried elsewhere-in the Department of Energy's production of fuel for nuclear weapons, in the military portion of the NASA budget, in the VA, etc. By adding in these hidden military expenses, the Center for Defense Information (CDI), a Washington think tank run by retired generals and admirals, concluded that we spend a total of $327 billion a year on the military. (When it did similar computations independently, the War Resisters League came up with $329 billion.)
But that doesn't include what we have to pay for past Pentagon budgets. The CDI went back to 1941 and multiplied the military's percentage of each year's budget by the deficit for that year. Using that method, they figured that interest on past military spending cost us $167 billion in fiscal 1996. (The War Resisters League went all the way back to 1789 and came up with $291 billion.)
Since the CDI's estimates are lower, let's be conservative and use them. Adding them together gives us a figure for total military spending-past and present-of $494 billion a year ($9 1/2 billion a week, $1 1/3 billion a day.

Waste beyond your wildest dreams
But just the scale of the Pentagon's budget alone can't explain its prodigious ability to waste money. Another quality is required- world-class incompetence. There are so many examples of this that they tend to blur together, numbing the mind. Here are just a few:
According to a US Senate hearing, $13 billion the Pentagon handed out to weapons contractors between 1985 and 1995 was simply "lost." Another $15 billion remains unaccounted for because of "financial management troubles." That's $2B billion-right off the top-that has simply disappeared...

Career criminals
... According to the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, every single one of the top ten weapons contractors was convicted of or admitted to defrauding the government between 1980 and 1992. For example:
* Grumman paid the government $20 million to escape criminal liability for coercing subcontractors into making political contributions.
* Lockheed was convicted of paying millions in bribes to obtain classified planning documents.
* Northrop was fined $17 million for falsifying test data on its cruise missiles and fighter jets.
* Rockwell was fined $5.5 million for committing criminal fraud against the Air Force.
In another study, the Project on Government Oversight (PGO) searched public records from October 1989 to February 1994 and found-in just that 4~/~-year period-85 instances of fraud, waste and abuse in weapons contracting. For example:
Boeing, Grumman, Hughes, Raytheon and RCA pleaded guilty to illegal trafficking in classified documents and paid a total of almost $15 million in restitution, reimbursements, fines, etc.
* Hughes pleaded guilty to procurement fraud in one case, was convicted of it in a second case and, along with McDonnell Douglas and General Motors, settled out-of-court for a total of more than $1 million dollars in a third case.
* Teledyne paid $5 million in a civil settlement for false testing, plus $5 million for repairs.
* McDonnell Douglas settled for a total of more than $22 million in four "defective pricing" cases.
But General Electric was the champ. PGO lists fourteen cases, including a conviction for mail and procurement fraud that resulted in a criminal fine of $10 million and restitution of $2.2 million. In our own research, we found several other examples of GE crimes and civil violations:
* In 1961, GE pleaded guilty to price-fixing and paid a $372,500 fine.
* In 1977, it was convicted of price-fixing again.
* In 1979, it settled out-of-court when the State of Alabama sued it for dumping PCBs in a river.
* In 1981, it was convicted of setting up a $1.25 million slush fund to bribe Puerto Rican officials.
* In 1985, GE pleaded guilty to 108 counts of fraud on a Minuteman missile contract. In addition, the chief engineer of GE's space systems division was convicted of perjury, and GE paid a fine of a million dollars.
* In 1985, it pleaded guilty to falsifying time cards.
* In 1989, it paid the government $3.5 million to settle five civil lawsuits alleging contractor fraud at a jet-engine plant (which involved the alteration of 9,000 daily labor vouchers to inflate its Pentagon billings).
In 1990, GE was convicted of criminal fraud for cheating the Army on a contract for battlefield computers; it declined to appeal and paid $16 million in criminal and civil fines. ($11.7 million of this amount was to settle government complaints that it had padded its bids on 200 other military and space contracts-which comes to just $58,000 or so per contract.)
In 1993, GE sold its weapons division to Martin Marietta for $3 billion (retaining 23.5% of the stock and two seats on the board of directors).
The largest investigation of Pentagon fraud took place between 1986 and 1990. Called Operation Ill Wind, it began when Pentagon official John Marlowe was caught molesting little girls. He cut a deal to stay out of jail and, for the next few years, secretly recorded hundreds of conversations with weapons contractors.
There's no way of knowing how much the crimes Ill Wind looked into cost the taxpayers, but the investigation, which cost $20 million, brought in ten times that much in fines. According to Wall Street Journal reporter Andy Pasztor, "more than 90 companies and individuals were convicted of felonies... including eight of the military's fifteen largest suppliers....Boeing, GE and United Technologies pleaded guilty...Hughes, Unisys, Raytheon, Loral, Litton, Teledyne, Cubic, Hazeltine, Whittaker and LTV...admitted they violated the law."
Unisys signed the largest Pentagon fraud settlement in history: $190 million in fines, penalties and forgone profits (which means they weren't allowed to charge for cost overruns the way military contractors usually do).
Assistant Navy Secretary Melvyn Paisley was the central figure in the Ill Wind scandal and the highest-ranking person convicted (he was sentenced to four years in prison). He ran his office like a supermarket for weapons manufacturers, soaking up bribes, divvying up multibillion-dollar contracts and diverting work to a firm he secretly controlled with a partner.
Paisley may have been a bit more...flamboyant than most, but there was nothing terribly unusual about his approach. As of 1994, nearly 70 of the Pentagon's 100 largest suppliers were under investigation. Fines for that year totaled a record $1.2 billion.
That may sound like a lot, but it's less than 2% of the weapons industry's net income (which averaged $64 billion a year in 1994 and 1995). A billion or two in fines is hardly an incentive to end the corruption and waste in Pentagon contracting.

The black budget
Not all Pentagon waste is visible. Hidden within the military budget is a secret "black budget" that's not subject to any congressional oversight (toothless as that usually is). It includes money for the CIA (tucked away in the Air Force budget, it gets about 10% of the total) and for less well-known but better-funded "intelligence" organizations like the National Security Agency (NSA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO).
In 1995, several members of Congress tried to argue that, with the Cold War over, there was no harm in publishing the total amount of the intelligence black budget, without details on how it was spent. Even this modest proposal went down to defeat but, in the process, led to the absurd spectacle of legislators mentioning the figure-$28 billion for fiscal 1996-while arguing that it shouldn't be publicly disclosed.
John Pike of the Federation of American Scientists estimates that the 1996 black budget included an additional $3 billion or so in military "stealth" projects, for a total of about $31 billion-down from about $36 billion a year during the Reagan years. Pike attributes the decrease to a couple of projects that grew too huge to be hidden in the black budget.
One of the projects that "surfaced" into the public budget is the B-2 bomber. Originally projected to cost $550 million each, B-2's ended up costing $2.2 billion each-literally more than their weight in gold.
Another is MILSTAR, which is designed to ''fight and win a six-month nuclear war...long after the White House and the Pentagon are reduced to rubble." The Air Force has tried to kill this idiotic program four times since it emerged from the black budget, but Congress won't listen. MILSTAR has cost us between $8 and $12 billion so far, and could cost another $4.5 billion between 1996 and 2000.
Since the black budget is completely off the books, it encourages waste on a titanic scale. As one Pentagon employee put it: "In a black project, people don't worry about money. If you need money, you got it. If you screw up and need more, you got it. You're just pouring money into the thing until you get it right. The incentive isn't there to do it right the first time. Who's going to question it?" ...
Don't call it bribery
Why do our legislators put up with military waste and fraud? For the same reason they do anything. Defense PACs gave members of Congress $7.5 million in 1993 and 1994. And PAC money is just part of the story.
Of the $4.5 billion in unrequested weapons funding added to the Pentagon budget for fiscal 1996, 74% was spent in or near the home districts of representatives who sit on the House National Security Committee. Another $290 million was spent in or around Newt Gingrich's home district, Cobb County, Georgia. (Cobb gets more federal pork than any county except Arlington in Virginia, which is right next to Washington, and Brevard in Florida, where Cape Canaveral is located.)
Although the Pentagon insists that it doesn't need any more B-2 bombers, Norman Dicks (D-Washington) and Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) don't care. Dicks-who's one of the largest recipients of military PAC money in the House-received over $10,000 from nine major B-2 contractors in the four months just before the battle to resurrect B-2 funding. Stevens got $37,000 between 1989 and 1994, making him one of the top ten recipients of PAC contributions from B-2 contractors. (Isn't it amazing how little politicians cost?)
If PAC money isn't enough, military lobbyists can always argue jobs. It didn't hurt funding for the B-2 that spending for it was spread across 88% of all congressional districts and all but two states.
Liberal California Representative Maxine Waters defended her vote to continue B-2 funding by candidly admitting that it was one of the few ways she knew to bring federal jobs to her district. (Since her district is South-Central Los Angeles, you can understand her desperation.)
There's no conceivable need for Seawolf submarines (which cost $2.4 billion apiece)- except for the votes in Connecticut, where it's built, and in surrounding states. That's why liberal New England senators like Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and George Mitchell supported it, as did Bill Clinton-who needed votes from those states-in his 1992 campaign.
Neither the Air Force nor the Navy wants any part of the V-22 Osprey assault plane, which the Bush administration tried in vain to kill. But it's supported by legislators in Texas and Pennsylvania-the two states that do the most contracting for it-and by Clinton, who...oh, you get the idea.
What about the jobs we'd lose? -- If new weapons systems are nothing more than make-work programs, they're really inefficient ones. A 1992 Congressional study estimated that shifting money from the Pentagon to state and local governments would create two jobs for every one it eliminates. Building weapons we don't need is so wasteful that the economy would probably be better off if we just paid people the same money to stay at home.
The Congressional Budget Office concluded that a billion dollars spent on successfully promoting arms exports creates 25,000 jobs, but if that same billion is spent on mass transit, it creates 30,000 jobs; on housing, 36,000 jobs; on education, 41,000 jobs; or on health care, 47,000 jobs.
Aside from the cost, using federal money to prop up military contractors creates a disincentive for them to convert to civilian products. Shifting Pentagon funds to urgently needed domestic uses would be good for both the US and the rest of the world. As President Eisenhower put it, "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed."
Pentagon boosters argue that military spending has already been slashed too far, since more than 800,000 military-related jobs have disappeared since 1990. But many of these layoffs were in nonmilitary divisions of the companies, and more than half of them were caused by the economy contracting in a recession, not by smaller Pentagon budgets-especially since they've dropped off only slightly from their all-time high of $304 billion (adjusted for inflation) in 1989.
Just eight companies-McDonnell Douglas, Lockheed, Martin Marietta, Boeing, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and Hughes-were responsible for half of all military contractors' layoffs in 1993. Only 15% of Boeing's layoffs and a third of McDonnell Douglas' were related to military production. After the firings, the stocks of these eight companies rose by 20% to 140%, and the salaries of their CEOs soared.

The revolving door
Another reason for Pentagon waste and fraud is the revolving door between military contractors and government personnel. Before he was Secretary of Defense, Caspar Weinberger was a top executive at Bechtel, which does massive engineering projects for the Pentagon and foreign clients like Saudi Arabia. Before he was Secretary of State, George Shultz was president of Bechtel.
Before his days as a Navy felon, Melvyn Paisley worked for Boeing-as did his boss at the Pentagon, Navy Secretary John Lehman. Secretary of Defense William Perry and CIA Director John Deutch both did consulting work for Martin Marietta before they joined the Clinton administration. The list goes on and on.
Generals have an interest in keeping weapons contractors happy-at least if they want to sit on the boards of corporations after they retire. Contractors can use their connections at the Pentagon to find work there and, like Paisley, feed lucrative contracts to their friends in the private sector.
On both sides of the revolving door, militarists live in the lap of luxury. Nobody batted an eyelash when Paisley entertained contractors in staterooms on the Queen Elizabeth, nor is there ever much dismay when military aircraft are used, at a cost of tens of thousands of dollars an hour, to fly politicians, lobbyists and weapons contractors on pleasure trips.

Direct handouts
Still, personal perks don't cost us much compared to corporate perks. For example, when Lockheed and Martin Marietta merged to become Lockheed Martin, $92 million in bonuses-or "triggered compensation," as they prefer to call it-was handed out to top executives and members of the board. They expect the government to pick up $31 million of that.
John Deutch quietly reversed a 40-year ban on such compensation when he was at the Pentagon. The biggest bonus, $8.2 million, went to the new company's president, Norman Augustine, who Deutch and William Perry had done work for at Martin Marietta.
Both Deutch and Perry obtained waivers from an ethics regulation that prohibits Pentagon officials from dealing with people they formerly did business with untl a year has passed. (Up to 30,000 employees will lose their jobs as a result of this merger.)
Military contractors milk the government in other ways as well. It's common for the State Department to give foreign aid to brutal dictatorships like Indonesia and Guatemala, with the requirement that the money be used to buy US weapons. Each year this program results in the transfer of $5-7 billion from US taxpayers to US arms merchants (not to mention the murder of lots of innocent people in the countries involved).
The Pentagon has similar programs that not only provide subsidies to foreign countries to buy from US weapons suppliers but also help them negotiate the sale. In 1994, General Dynamics and Lockheed received a total of $1.9 billion in foreign military sales awards- 126,567% more than the $1.5 million they gave to candidates for federal offices in the
1994 elections. (As we've already remarked, politicians sure are a bargain.)
Thanks in large part to these Pentagon programs-on which we spend $5.4 billion a year, almost half our total foreign aid expenditure-the US is the largest arms supplier on earth, with 43% of the world trade. What's more, many of these loans are ultimately defaulted on or forgiven. Egypt, for example, was let off the hook for $7 billion in loans, as a reward for participating in the Gulf War...

How much military spending is waste?
Even if you accept the absurd two-war plan, lots of savings are still possible:
* We have more Trident missiles than we could ever use, and nobody to aim them at. But the Navy isn't happy with their old Tridents (currently funded at $787 million a year). They want to replace them with a newer version, even though both kinds of Tridents are likely to be eliminated under the next arms-control agreement, START lll.
* Although our 121 C-5 and 265 C-144 transport planes are perfectly adequate, the Pentagon wants to replace a bunch of them with 120 new C-17s, at a total cost of $45 billion.
The rationale for the F-22 fighter is especially weak. It was designed to achieve air superiority in the 1990s over the now-defunct Soviet Union. We already have 900 F-15s (which the GAO calls the best tactical aircraft in the world), and none of our real or potential enemies have more than a handful of planes that come anywhere close to matching its capabilities. That hasn't stopped the Pentagon from asking for 442 F-22s, at a total cost of $72 billion.
* Even a hawk like Barry Goldwater points out the waste involved in the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines each having its own air force. Both the Marines and the Army have light infantry divisions, and the Navy and the Air Force aren't satisfied with the same kind of satellites and cruise missiles-each has to have its own kind.
* The Pentagon keeps 100,000 troops in Europe and 70,000 in Korea and Japan. We spend $80 billion a year on NATO, $59 billion a year in South Korea and $48 billion a year in the Persian Gulf. In all of these cases, the countries we're supposedly defending have militaries that are better-equipped and much better-funded than their enemies'.
* As we've mentioned above, even the Pentagon doesn't want any more B-2 bombers, V-22 Osprey assault planes or additional Star Wars funds. The Navy doesn't want the Seawolf submarine and admits it doesn't need another $3.5-billion nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. But try telling that to the companies that make those weapons, or to the politicians whose campaigns they fund.
By now it should be obvious that the "defense" budget isn't based on any rational calculation of what the defense of this country actually requires-it's based on what US arms manufacturers can get away with (almost anything, it turns out).
Attaching the word "defense" to this spending isn't just misleading-it's the complete opposite of the truth, since military waste and fraud make our country weaker, not stronger. The preposterously obese Pentagon budget is the single greatest threat there is to our national security.
It's not just wild-eyed radicals who feel this way:
* Lawrence Korb, a military planner under Reagan who's now with the Brookings Institution, says we could have the most overwhelmingly powerful military in the world for around $150 billion a year.
* In a report called Ending Overkill, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists laid out a detailed military budget that includes funding for a lot of programs we think are unnecessary (Star Wars, for example). Even so, its report calls for scaling down the military budget to $115 billion by the year 2000, and states that this would still give us a force "adequate to undertake six or eight Somalia-like operations at the same time, or to mount a force somewhat larger than the American part of Desert Storm."
* The Center for Defense Information (founded by retired generals and admirals) thinks we could get by quite nicely with about a million soldiers, instead of the 1.6 million we now have, and with a Pentagon budget of about $200 billion.
The average of those three estimates is $155 billion a year-quite a bit less than the $327 billion a year we actually spend. (And remember: that $327 billion doesn't include the $167 billion or more we lay out each year to service debt that's the result of past military programs. Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do about that past debt-except to cut down on present military budgets, so the problem doesn't keep getting worse.)
Subtracting $155 billion from $327 billion gives us a figure for current military waste and fraud of $172 billion a year-almost $500 million a day-virtually all of which goes to large corporations and super-rich individuals. (Sure, some of it pays for ordinary people's salaries, but they'd also be earning money if they were doing something useful.) Half a billion dollars a day could buy a lot of medical care, or fill a lot of potholes, or...you name it. After all, it's your money.

Take the Rich Off Welfare

Posted by Danny T @ 12/25/2003 11:34 PM EST

To the post by the truth,you had better think about who you threaten online.Quote by the truth!

"I think you are right Vox. The only solution to the problem in America is to Nuke these motherfuckers who are brainwashing us. CNN must die!"


(St. Louis-AP) -- A federal appeals court has upheld the sentence for a man who had suggested that President Bush might be set ablaze.

Richard Humphreys appealed his three-year sentence, saying his comment was protected by free speech rights. He was convicted in 2002 of threatening to kill or harm the president.

The court found Humphreys suffers from bipolar disorder, and should serve his confinement in a federal medical center.

Humphreys says he got into a barroom discussion with a truck driver a day before Bush's March 2001 visit to Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

A bartender who overheard the conversation told police that Humphreys talked about a "burning Bush" and the possibility of someone setting Bush on fire.

Alton Raines

It would be one thing to take this man aside, question him, even keep him locked down while the President was in town -- all would be reasonable precautions to protect the President "just in case" the guy might be someone who decided to do the honors of the molatov cocktail. But 3 years in prison?? For mere words??? Whenever someone pooh-pooh's your objections to the Patriot Act or the encroaching gov't police state, the case of Richard Humphreys is a perfect example to put in their face. Or the case of Sherman Austin, sentenced for one year for simply linking to a site which happened to have information on bomb making (Sherman Austin -Jailed For Net Link). These are just the initial symptoms of the fascist disease which will spread like a cancer in the years to come, destroying personal liberties and freedoms. Count the days, folks. It's just going to get worse. Oh, and for the fools who think getting a democrat in office to replace Bush will resolve the problem, you're hopelessly deluded. Link is here.


Vinnell bombing leader Khaled Jehani, fought for the CIA in Afghanistan, Bosnia & Chechnya

Members of the Moroccan terror group Salafi Jihadi fought for the CIA in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Dagestan, Bosnia and Kosovo

USS Cole Bomber Jamal al-Badawi fought for the CIA in Bosnia

Zacarias Moussaoui fought for the CIA in Chechnya

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed fought for the CIA in Afghanistan

Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman fought for the CIA in Afghanistan

Head of Egyptian Islamic Jihad Ayman al Zawahiri, fought for the CIA in Bosnia

His brother Ayman al-Zawahiri fought for the CIA in Kosovo

Abdullah Azzam, "one of the ideological founders of Hamas" fought for the CIA in Afghanistan
And then of course, there's Tim Osman.
The link to this is here...


Posted by Danny T @ 12/26/2003 12:03 AM EST

Many strong comments have been posted, but no one states that the masses must overcome the dumbing-down that the government schools have initiated and the totally controlled media maintains.
Wake up citizens of the States and deny being a US citizen and reassert the sovereignty that the Founding Fathers established for you!
Posterity - - - You will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it. John Quincy Adams

Posted by d daxx @ 12/26/2003 12:05 AM EST

Many strong comments have been posted, but no one states that the masses must overcome the dumbing-down that the government schools have initiated and the totally controlled media maintains.
Wake up citizens of the States and deny being a US citizen and reassert the sovereignty that the Founding Fathers established for you!
Posterity - - - You will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it. John Quincy Adams

Posted by d daxx @ 12/26/2003 12:07 AM EST

we were not sitting around the family table in fear. We were informing each other what had to be done if he was elected again. So should everyone else. They are fed by local leaders and local feds and schools,media and judges. When it starts everyone needs to join in. The republican and demecratic parties need to be brought to an end. Marshall law will end my life. It does not scare me it is the beginning of the end for as many as i can get.

Posted by mad as hell @ 12/26/2003 01:09 AM EST

Seth mentioned that the oil rich African nation of Nigeria may even become a US target. With that in mind it's interesting to note that the nation where bush claimed Iraq bought that now imaginary Uranium(liar liar) was that most oil rich nation in Africa - Nigeria.

Posted by Ricardo @ 12/26/2003 01:13 AM EST

This is gettin' ridiculous. I think we can stop talking about "waking people up", because at this point more people one talks to out here in the heartland than not have a sneakin' suspicion something is very rotten in denmark, or the USA as it were. There clearly is wide recognition of a festering problem, but fear is inhibiting free and open discussion of such. (besides, distraction is abundant for denial, and safer- lets face it) No, it is no longer a matter of wide recognition of a problem, but rather a sense of desperate futility as to what the hell can anyone do. (sure as hell don't look to Congress) Like check mate. Indeed, "who can make war with the beast?!" appears to be the world wide question at present. Meantime, as Vox points out, the phoney polls in the controled [US] media assure that we're all on the happy bandwagon. Recent encounters in the heartland however indicate Americans may be fattened, but they're actually NOT brain dead (though mad cow may soon change that) Hopeful, but likely too late. Very interesting will be the next 12 months, since the facade becomes more transparent each week.

Posted by What Constitution? @ 12/26/2003 01:41 AM EST

my problems with michael moore:

1: from what ive heard of his new movie coming out, he's going to try to blame 9-11 on the Saudis, and totally ignore the Israeli connection..

2: his surprising support of wesley clark, who recently disclosed his 'jewish heritage'.

why clark?

why steer us away from the Israeli evidence?

is Moore a dupe? a useful idiot? or not what he claims to be?

he's starting to look like the faux leftist theyve deployed to follow the NWO script..

why do you think he got an oscar for columbine? a propaganda aimed at getting Americans to hate those who want to defend themselves against the government stormtroopers.

Moore is full of shit..

Posted by chester @ 12/26/2003 02:18 AM EST

The truth poster was dead on about the Paula Zahn Christmas TV Special. Although its usually amusing to observe what is being vomitted out for public consumption, it was just too painful to view this abysmal eultide abortion. Its clear these creatures have complete disdain for humanity and anything that might elevate it above the level of a wallowing beast. Their institutionalized, fear laced Nietzshean pill is shoved down our throats every minute of the day. The feeding frenzy never ends. The pigs are even more voracious when people group together in traditional, familial enclaves.
Through institutionalized fear mongering and corporate controlled, mass consumerism they subvert and destroy every sublime, legitimate form of human expression and engagement. In this process our unique human qualities are replaced by pleasure/pain impulse driven behaviors that leave us no better off than corraled beasts waiting for our next handout. Our path is clear. It is wise to move beyond snivelling and follow the footsteps of those willing to sacrafice themselves for a mission-a mission to save our own humanity. Merry Christmas Vox-No rest for the weary. glad to see your still relentlessly breaking through.


Posted by Brian @ 12/26/2003 04:05 AM EST

I think in moores new doco he's trying to find a balance between what people might find acceptable about 9/11 and whats enough to destroy Bush's re-election chances... namely the issue of flying out bin laden relatives etc on the following days after 9/11. I think Moores smart enough to realize the reality of what really happened on 9/11. I believe he's even said in an interview before it was a CIA job.

Posted by Ricardo @ 12/26/2003 04:56 AM EST

i understand the strategy, and i'd like to think thats what he is doing..

if you can refer me to that inteview where you recall him saying that, i'd be most grateful

still, im just not sure about the guy at this point

Posted by chester @ 12/26/2003 07:15 AM EST

Moore is an NWO tool to disarm the populace. Also, observe the sequence of events to enact restrictive firearm laws coontrary to the Constitution. Columbine, Malvo, Ohio Highway shooter. Politicians prefer unarmed peasants.

Posted by Postus Nebulous @ 12/26/2003 08:01 AM EST

to vox and all other posters: I am breaking my oath not to post one more time. WAKE THE FUCK UP, PEOPLE, neither god nor the Democrats (particularly the Clinton's boy Clark) are going to lift a finger to "save" us from what is surely to come. There is no fucking god (where the fuck has he been for the last 2000 years)and didn't you notice that Hillary and the fucking Zionist Lieberman were the first Democrats to jump to their feet during "the prick with ears" infamous State of the Union speech (I do believe I actually saw the strings with which they were jerked to their feet). Just in case none of you see where I'm going with this, let me spell it out for you - REVOLUTION,REVOLUTION,REVOLUTION -ad infinitum. That's it. There is no other way, PERIOD.
Now that I've provided the "what" and we're all agreed on the "why", and we know the "where", let's begin to focus this little discussion on the "how" and the "when". The latter question is easy, RIGHT THE FUCK NOW. The former is a little more complicated and needs to be discussed in more detail than I can provide (safely) in this forum. However, the first step that needs to be taken by every one of us is this - remove your sanction. Your primary sanction is your tax dollars - the lifeblood of the corporate state. I, personally, have coughed up over a million dollars in personal and corporate income taxes over the past decade and will give up my right to another $100K in about three weeks or so. For the last fucking time! My personal solution is simple - I am setting up a management company in Canada which will run my US company and will pay me my salary. I can pay myself up to $70K Canadian annually without incurring a tax liability and not one tax dollar will go to the US looters. My remaining profits will be paid as capital gains to a blind trust that I have set up for my child. Thanks for the eventual elimination of the capital gains tax, dickheads. I guess they think anyone earning significant dollars through capital gains is on their side. Now, I understand that few people have the same options that I have, but the point is that each and every one of you have sanctions that you can withdraw right now. Did you purchase those christmas gifts at Walmart? Did you drive your gas-guzzling SUV to the corner 7-Eleven today? Are you wearing your Nike's as you read this? Think about it folks - and figure it the fuck out. There are myriad ways in which we sanction the growing fascism each and every day. STOP IT - NOW!
Start to live lean and most importantly, MEAN. Get tough and start eliminating the non-essentials from your daily existence. This advice is coming from someone who "has it all". I'm fucking ready to chuck it all for the opportunity to thumb my nose at those who would have us crawl (intentional rhyme there).
But that's just the starting point. We need to organize and band together to defeat these fucks. Given that the "powers that be" are ratcheting up their surveillance capabilities, this can only be done within the framework of a Mafia-type model. Yes, you read that right, we need to organize our own little secret societies in order to stand half a chance against the New World Disorder. It's the only way possible as I see it. Our leaders must be nameless and faceless. Our loyalties must be assured through having committed prosecutable crimes in the name of freedom. And our ranks must be grown by the promise of profit. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY!
The most capable of us must meet privately and in person to strategize and organize. It can be done. Vox, I understand your need for anonymity, but you will die in relative obscurity if you reject this course of action. And to the rest of you, are you not -as I am - sick and fucking tired of sitting in front of your CRT doing ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING.
I am preparing to leave this country in the coming months as I have alluded to earlier. I have 120 acres just over the border in Canada purchased through my blind trust. This I am offering as a base of operations. At some point, this will serve as a refuge for dissidents and will be off the grid and self-sufficient. We will obviously need people with a variety of skills to make this work, but I believe we can make it a reality if enough of us our willing to cast off the shackles of our mundane existence and devote ourselves to the cause of destroying the evils that threaten to destroy us. As vox has said repeatedly, some of us, or at the very least, some innocents, are going to die anyway.How do you want to go out? Like lambs to the slaughter or in a blaze of glory fighting for what you believe in, Now is the time to decide. Do you have the sand to join me or are you content to live out your vacuos little lives behind the false sense of security your computer provides. Get up, stand up people - the time is nigh. I have a plan - not a pipedream. I am JOHN GALT and I will not be deterred and I will not rest until the evil, zionist, new world scum are put in their rightful place - SIX FEET UNDER.
Who will join me?

Posted by john galt @ 12/26/2003 08:22 AM EST

since reading Voxfux I have done something I told myself I never would doo again, (after coming back to the world from "nam),....I've bought a couple of firearms...not the kind that can be "traced" through nazi paprework, but from pawn shops & gun shows...AND, Ive REALLY, REALLY stocked up on ammo - the gov't taught me how to handle them & I've had more than enough "hands on" practice. the really sad thing is, I didn't do this because of fear of invasion or terrorists, I've done this to protect myself from the bush nazi's. what a waste!!!

cheerful chase

Posted by cheerful chase @ 12/26/2003 12:29 PM EST

since reading Voxfux I have done something I told myself I never would doo again, (after coming back to the world from "nam),....I've bought a couple of firearms...not the kind that can be "traced" through nazi paprework, but from pawn shops & gun shows...AND, Ive REALLY, REALLY stocked up on ammo - the gov't taught me how to handle them & I've had more than enough "hands on" practice. the really sad thing is, I didn't do this because of fear of invasion or terrorists, I've done this to protect myself from the bush nazi's. what a waste!!!

cheerful chase

Posted by cheerful chase @ 12/26/2003 12:29 PM EST

since reading Voxfux I have done something I told myself I never would do again, (after coming back to the world from "nam),....I've bought a couple of firearms...not the kind that can be "traced" through nazi paperwork, but from pawn shops & gun shows...AND, I've REALLY, REALLY stocked up on ammo - the gov't taught me how to handle them & I've had more than enough "hands on" practice. the really sad thing is, I didn't do this because of fear of invasion or terrorists, I've done this to protect myself from the bush nazi's. what a waste!!!

cheerful chase

Posted by cheerful chase @ 12/26/2003 12:30 PM EST

First off...Merry Christmas to all.

Fear. It is more than obvious that the Bush cabal is doing everything in it's considerable power to instill fear into our lives in order that we acquiesce to the new fascism they call the New World Order. A corollary to fear is anger. Since all the outlets to anger have been subverted by the controlled media it has morphed into frustration. This frustration is played on by the same fascist crew that runs the media, the government and the coporations that suck on the federal teat.
Since it is Christmas and our awareness is increased of a better way I would like to remind everyone that all things exist due to our creator. This includes the spiritual world. If Satan exists it is because we are too focused on the material world...a preoccupation which leads to darkness and ignorance. In particular it is a world that demands our servitude when it's resources are seized by the greedy and unscrupulous who labour not. But no man can serve two masters, particularly when the creator, God, is master of the material world and aces any master whose existence depends on God's creation.
Replacing Bush will not solve a thing. What needs to be realized is that it is the belief in government that is at the root of this nation's problems (and the World's). Once you get on that ship it really matters little who is elected or appointed the captain...except whether the sailing is smooth and safe, or rough and dangerous. Why bother with the journey at all when millenia of history has shown the danger of concentrating power in the hands of a few?
Let's have a revolution then...but not violent, not through force of arms, but a revolution of the mind. Apply logic. John Galt has pointed to one way...do not support this concentration of power financially or politically. Stop paying taxes. The income tax is illegal in any case, unless you submit them voluntarily by becoming a legal fiction known as a "corporation". And don't vote. Voting sanctions the power mongers. If this were truly a democracy (which it is not, it's a Republic) then by their way of thinking the majority of voters should prevail...and it turns out that the majority of voters...don't). Since that is the case why don't they accept that as a clear message from the majority of Americans to leave us the f*&^ alone? That we don't want a federal government agent on every corner, in every library, in every building, every airport, every park, every church...instilling fear and demanding "respect" - at the point of a gun.
So let's step above the world they control by fear and fear no more. GOD is greater than Bush. The creation can never be greater than the creator. Let the golden rule prevail...what you do to others will come back to you. It;s really a matter of physics. The blowback due the Illuminati is considerable. If fear is their methodology then it is they who must fear the most.

Posted by LoneWolf @ 12/26/2003 01:15 PM EST

Let me tell you what "Galt": a.) If you can walk out in Gods creation and not sense Him in all of nature, then u ain't that damn smart. and b.) No plan of man that denies his Creator is ever gonna prosper. That is exactly the problem the neo-nazis have. They wanna BE God. Your "position" is just more short sighted shallow ass pagan neanderthal tripe from people that think might makes right (just like the reptiles you purport to resist, yet you'd trade places with 'em given half a chance). The irony stinks. I guess mammon is the only god people like this guy trust. Now go count your money rich man, but keep one eye on the camel.

Posted by Beat It, Big Shot @ 12/26/2003 04:07 PM EST

Who is John Galt? Sounds Like an FBI Cointelpro scheme !

This John Galt guy was bragging about all the money he was going to donate to you. He was talking about a ten thousand dollar tax refund. Well did he send you any money or is this guy one big blowhard?

Remember this folks that the first person an any peace movement here in America who proposes an illegal and violent act or who passes the bomb to you is usually the FBI agent.

Noam Chomsky

Posted by Noam Chomsky @ 12/26/2003 06:20 PM EST

In my opinion, this god vs devil stuff is one of the Biggest conspiracies of them all.

From a Unified Field Theory, it is all particles.

The only duality is intelligence and stupidity.

Happy New Year Vox and everybody!

Posted by swampgas @ 12/26/2003 06:47 PM EST

First let me say has off to the people willing to tell it like it is.

People are afraid, but the fear is repressed. So people do not want to know about the precarious position that we are in- as in drastic measures now or a long long stretch of tyranny and repression. Seems to me that the US citiznens are not waking up. 911 is still an Arab terrorist thing to most people. I know this is no particular insight to you all ... I am just hoping that the insane power-mongers will lay back a bit for awhile ... but what good this is in the long run anyways? The only advice I have is 1) don't watch TV and 2) the people around you are not your enemies, they are your allies. Best wishes.

Posted by Done @ 12/26/2003 06:50 PM EST

God is more important to this dilema than most people realize. We have nearly eliminated every vestige of God and His law from this country- vis a vis, the bogus "separation of church and state". (and yes, we, the patriots- for lack of a better term- are complicit) Negating God and his word was necessary for the NWO to succeed, for as long as the people of this counrty retained any real God consciousness (beyond "God Bless the USA"), the principles of the Constitution would be revered and protected. Which is a sniggling impediment to their plan, since people who know their God are very difficult to control (consider the American revolution) and will not tolerate tyranny. However, with God and His word out of the picture, the State can then substitute itself for God; "protecting us", "providing for us", "looking out for our best interests" etc. How? Primarily with layer upon layer upon layer of their OWN laws. (can't you feel the noose tightening more every day?) The consititution then becomes an unnecessary relic, along with Gods word. In the old testament God instructed his people to pass his precepts down from generation to generation, for good reason. That was once the case in this country. But our culture promised us liberty from the laws of God, and in taking the bait, we became slaves to a satanic lie. Now we've lost our moral compass, and the false christ State, using its propaganda arm, has been able to substitute its own twisted version of what is right and wrong. The peoples vision has become so dim, and their memory of Gods word so fogged, they no longer have any reference. Television (aka, the worship box) was instrumental in implementing the paradigm shift. Take away the Bible from the school kids, then give em TV1. Now we are slowly being choked to death by our new god: tyranny, which came in as an angel of light.

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that our Creator has endowed men with certain inalienable rights; among them life, liberty, and the pusuit of happiness".

To say there is no God plays directly into the hands of the NWO. That is what they want the people to believe, because once you destroy faith in God, the only thing left is you, and global fascism. No more "Greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world" or "If God is for us, who can be against us?" or "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." These promises are difficult to subjugate, but if you're not even aware of them, hey- no worries! Then THEY (the NWO) are the power, and the Glory, and the Kingdom for ever and ever" (they think) Never doubt there is a direct connection between Gods word and liberty. To say there is no God or that he has been no help in 2000 years is not just unfair, its patently false. Lets face it: We told Him to butt out, and he merely obliged. Now, we've got the gall to shake our fists in his face for the jam we're in?? We should instead be crying out in remorse and repentance. Unless that happens, I guarantee, things will get much much worse before they get better. So lets not blame God. We got what we wanted, we allowed it, and now we're reaping the whirlwind. Is there a personal Devil? You better believe there is, and you or I are no match for him. Its he who is at the core of this rise to global fascism. (read Revelations) All our combined rage and violence is no match for him. Like it or not my fellow human beings, the only true hope we have as a people is to return to God in Jesus Christ by repentance in humility ON OUR FACES.

Posted by God save the USA @ 12/26/2003 07:35 PM EST

Freeway Blog / Bumper Sticker / Graffitti idea.... Write it on money... be creative!! :-)

Remember the question " Who is John Galt?" in atlas shrugged?

How about we put this question out there...
maybe some sheep will search for the answer out of curiousity? If they do it will certainly open some eyes.
" Who is Tim Osman? Ask Jeeves, he knows."

Time Joe Public starts following the white rabbit. Reality bites. But it sure beats being a mindless slave to malevolent greed.

Every effort we make has to help. There are more of us I believe. Though the media would like to convince us we are but a few. That is a lie. Media is whore, bitch of the Neo-CONS. Do not take heed of liars that sold their souls for a paltry sum.

Most people sense something is very very wrong. The uninformed need direction. They just do not know where to begin. Which is why I continue to distribute money with VOXFUX.com & Whatreallyhappened.com on it.
....Which is why I share these ideas. I think this one is excellent idea. ( Try asking Jeeves - the Resukts are Awesome!! :-) )

Hook people in with a question, the curious will want to find out. If enough people put this out there... Think of the possibilities...

Thanx VOX. And Thanx to you readers who share many good ideas.

Posted by Truth @ 12/26/2003 07:45 PM EST

It's about time you assholes wake up and smell the SHIT!! There is no devil, no God ( as everyone believes there to be ). You all seem to need a justification for all the crap going on in the world. The battle between so-called good and evil, right and wrong, blah, blah and blah.Greed is the driving force behind every

Posted by enlightened @ 12/26/2003 07:53 PM EST

John Galt,VoxSentia,unknown soldier,etc are cointelpro---I cut and pasted a couple of stories from indymedia that should remove any doubts,I posted the link if you want to bother reading them.
Atlas Shrugged
by Matt Thursday October 16, 2003 at 09:41 AM

Thank you for your diatribe, 2beers, I did not know that the grandson of Ayn Rand was among us. The last post sounds suspiciously like a summary of the famous 65 page John Galt speech of "Atlas Shrugged."

But Rand hated the idea of a marriage between business and government

Here is your John Galt
as we go down the page we run into VOX's old buddy dodge rambler who posts
Tangential Reality
by George K. Tuesday October 21, 2003 at 01:39 PM
dodgerambler@yahoo.com (email address NOT validated)

Conspiracy theories are always amazing to read. People devise some very inventive ways to distort obvious facts.
I have to admit, people would be blind to not acknowledge that these things PURPORTED by your “legion of nut balls” COULD occur, especially with present-day computer imaging and editing. And to carry this deed out to spur feelings of war and permit rapid action of the military would be a scenario that can be "thought of.”
Just because something is possible does not mean it is probable. To expend this much energy, creating scenario after scenario to explain your version of events does not hold together. The simplest explanation suffices. Planes crashed. The people that were on them are no longer here. Most people that commit these type of destructive acts aimed at the United States are Islamic terrorists. There is no insidious plot.
I notice 2 beers,and George always keep posting back and forth on indy media,saying how smart each other are,kinda like on here.

After reading a few posts on indy media I found dodge rambler and 2 beers are buddys(or the same person),I did research on 2 beers too and found his posts very pro-police and pro-bush.
If you ask me John Galt is a fed trying to set up vox on a RICO charge,but thats just my thought.The Famous John Galt,tough guy,mob and FBI connected 140IQ,grew up in the tough neigborhoods and beat everyones ass.Bad motherfuckers don't need to brag about how tough they are nor smart people brag about their IQ.You are a FED and a dumb fake tough guy!

VOX COMMENT:I have been suspicious of this John Galt from the begining. Specifically because of the overt language regarding revolutionary "tactics" especially my favorite "Our loyalties must be assured through having committed prosecutable crimes in the name of freedom" Lovely isn't it?
I am however holding out the hope that in fact our friend is a person who is very angry and wants to genuinely fight this scum in the White House. Until I recieve proof of support that he is that, I of course must place him in the catagory of COINTELPRO agent. Like Chomsky said, "The first one in any peace movement who hands you the dynamite is the FBI agent."
We'll see in a few more days, he has sent me an email and I have returned one, naturally we need the finantial support, but there is just too much fishy stuff surrounding his communications that scream out CONTELPRO !!!

Posted by Danny T @ 12/26/2003 07:54 PM EST

For all you people who think god is going to help you,you need to read The Age Of Reason.This book 100% proves that the bible is a book of fairytales and lies.It was written by Thomas Paine in the 1700's.It takes a few hours to read but it tells the truth.Thomas Paine was the main force behind the separation of the government and the church because he knew that the churches power would be used for evil reasons.If you look at Bush starting this war you know why.Israel is using religion as an excuse to kill non Zionists to steal their land.The US tries to start a peace plan and Pat Robertson from the 700 club is trying to ruin it so the Jews will get killed in Israel because for god to return one third of the Jews of Israel have to die first for this so called revelation to come true.Robertson pretends he wants the Jews to have their own land,but really he wants them there to die so gods so called revelation can come true.Meanwhile it is the Christen collation that has put the most money behind Bush with his fake Born again bullshit.It is funny every time a politician or Rush Limbaugh or Tammy Faye Baker or Jimmy Swaggart get caught committing some sin,they find god and all is forgiven. http://www.ushistory.org/paine/reason/index.htm

Posted by Danny T @ 12/26/2003 08:44 PM EST

God v. Satan, Good v. Evil, Rich v. Poor, Republican v. Democrat, Black v. White (add your own duality), etc.

It all boils down to DIVIDE & CONQUER. What you want to do is rise above the duality, and see who will benefit from synthesis.

Let's suppose for a moment that Bush DOESN'T get "re"-elected; concretely, what change can we expect? (and don't bring Kucinich up because we all know he doesn't stand a chance)

If you are not yet familiar with Alex Jones' fine videos, do yourself and your friends a favor and order them, beginning with Police State 3 and Masters of Terror. This'll give you food for thought.
That old bastard Churchill said it best, and even though it sounds pretty obvious, it's right on the money. "We have nothing to fear but fear itself". Stop looking for outside help (i.e. God, Dean, guns & ammo, etc.), and realize your own power.
As for Michael Moore, the guy is way too smart to risk coming off like a "conspiracy nut" (or an "anti-semite"). Columbine was against FEAR MONGERING, not against guns. There are just as many guns in Canada (pro rata), something he pointed out rather clearly in the film.

Posted by Nicolas K. @ 12/26/2003 09:52 PM EST

As usual mention God and people start argueing about religion. Religion is just a belief system for those not capable of communing with God directly. Those who seek religion only end up serving another master.

I'm all for separation of Church and State (and for separation of Finance and State as well-but nobody thought of that at the time).

Remember that for centuries the Church used secular government to advance it's "spiritual" agenda, something the founding Fathers were all too aware of and sought to prevent.

Had they known that mercantilism would seek to do the same thing in our time I'm sure they would have sought to include further restrictions on government involvement in that area as well, particularly in banking and paper issuance.

The issue at hand is the desire of people for government - they just can't fathom that servants invariably seek to become their masters. In serving two masters it is obvious that those who would serve the government are not serving God. They have thereby created "satan".

I truly believe (and I don't expect anyone to adhere or accept) that satan is merely a figment of our imagination. We created him. We give him power. Like the world he is illusion...

Of course people always prefer scapegoats to accepting blame for their own actions (or inactions). The fact remains that if America is in the mess it is today the blame lies squarely on our own shoulders. Placing the blame anywhere else is counterproductive as is seeking another (false)master to do in the first (false) master.

As to John Galt...I didn't read his complete post because he awas into dealing with income taxes by way of "lgal" loopholes and such, which isn't necessary nor recommended. The income tax is another illusion that has been cultivated by the federal government for many, many years.

I strongly recommend that people research the issue thoroughly before doing anything foolish in that regard. But not voting carries no risk...plus it has the benefit of allowing you a clear conscience.

Posted by LoneWolf @ 12/26/2003 10:16 PM EST

I wonder how it makes sense in this season of the birth of the prince of peace, that many 'christians' believe they should sit on their thumbs while our government is the biggest purveyor of violence on the planet. They believe Jesus will take care of our problems. And they think Jesus is going to come and save them? I think he is going to ask them why the fuck they have been waiting for him...he already told us that peace and love are the way....

I think there is still time to wake folks up. We must convince our fellow americans that it is not okay to lie, and to threaten the american people and force war on the iraqi people, and then say well what's the difference if we couldn't find any weapons, Saddam wanted them so that's what it was all about. How is it possible that people feel this blatant lie was okay? ( especially after Clinton but I don't want to get started on that)

Please go to www.benfrank.net and burn some CD's with dumbya's words, his lies, rumsfeld's lies, colin powell....and play them for the mentally, and memory challenged americans in your life. There are all kinds of great free MP3's as well. There are also some dubs from great american patriots like IKE, JFK, MLK...remember when we had true moral and spiritual leaders in our country? If you play these, and then listen to W....well that's all you need to prove to people the dumbing down of america is happening big time. We can't stand by and accept what is happening in our country, and we must start as individuals in any way possible.

Posted by martha @ 12/26/2003 10:35 PM EST

Lonewolf, you got it right on. People are always looking for something or someone besides themselves to pin the blame on.Be it something real or imagined.Satan is a good one to start with. The Devil made me do it! An idle mind is the Devil's workshop! All that shit. I was brainwashed in the Catholic Church until I saw the light.8 years of that religious bullshit was all that I could take.I don't believe that people haven't figured it out yet. You control your life. You control your own destiny. It's not in God's hands, like they say. Hell, that's why we have the problems we do. It's always easy to have someone else control your life when your doing such a shitty job of it yourself. And right now, more than ever, we have to start taking control of our lives any way we can. All the forces of evil are tightening the nooses around our necks.( And I don't mean evil in a religious context). People, wake up. We're being duped every day. They're trying to win our minds any way they can. Religion, commercials, advertising, NEWS!!! Fight the brainwashing!!

Posted by enlightened @ 12/26/2003 10:49 PM EST

RE: John Galt

My third eye tells me that there is a dreadful reality in store for the world if W is elected again. It feels as if what's needed is an all-out rallying call to bind the liberals, progressives, radicals, revolutionaries, etc. around a singular mantra of some kind and go straight through to the heart of everything our government is doing and dismantle it completely and visciously if need be.

I can't help but think of The Return of the King in this regard (especially when they ride right into the horde without giving a fuck). Evil was prepped and ready to go and it took the rest of the relatively good inhabitants of Middle Earth to shed their slight differences and band around the idea that life should be filled with love, laughter, and happiness. They all came together and fought for what was right and just in the world... they fought for life. I think that today, our rallying call is Humanity and that, above all else, it is Humanity which is the ultimate driving force behind the movement to forever banish the scourge of tyranny and injustice.

It seems like now is the time that we must decide, with our actions, whether we are going to continue our existence on this planet under current global guidelines dictated by the United States government or whether we're going to do away with this course and get back on the right path.

I think John Galt might have the right idea as scary as it sounds. I've never really been in a fight in my life or fired a gun in self-defense, but I guess this is that Ultimate Time... the "now or never" point as we near the end of the 5th World Age.

Posted by Coyote @ 12/26/2003 10:50 PM EST

Amazing. So because of people like Pat Robertson, Tammy Faye Baker, et al, we can all conclude that God is a fake. Now there's evidence for ya! And Thomas Paine proved (100%)Gods word is nothing but lies. So we can put that dog to rest in just "a few hours". Wow. Now that is what I call blind faith, man. But at least you've done that much reading. Look I don't want to get into a pissin match here dude, but I can't be quiet. Charletons like those mentioned above have always existed, and in fact it was of such that Christ himself railed angrily against, and warned to beware of, but all that is lost on the TV generation, obviously. Because you spent your life in front of a TV, all you know about Christ and/or his word comes out of that pathetically shallow basis: the worship tube. You're a phoney. You don't want the truth. God forbid. Then you'd have to answer to something other than your belly. You tell me to stay away from TV, yet all you know about the one you deny is based on your TV viewing habits. Now that IS unbelieveable. Yep, it's the same old tired litany about crooked TV "evanglists" (read: health and wealth gurus), coming from people who have no interest in any truthful investigation- independent of these fakers- into the life, deeds, or words of Christ. People content to point to Jimmy Swaggart as some sad justification for a godless life. Look man, when you get tired of running, he'll be there for you. (I may not be, but he will) When you really seek him, you'll find 'em. Your problem is you don't want to find anything but the refridgerator and the remote. Look, its been said that for him who desires to know God there is a universe of evidence pointing to His existence, but for those who don't want to know Him, no amount of evidence will ever suffice. Thats really what we have here. Hey, if your position is that rock solid, you shouldn't mind allowing some equal time; why not check out some literature that confronts your lack of belief, such as Evidence That Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell. Should take just a couple hours to read. Jesus can stand up to any amount of legitimate, honest scrutiny. You say you want the truth. Try this then tough guy, challenge him. Talk to him- honestly, from your heart (can you?) tell him if what this crackpot says is true, I want to know it. See, unfortunately, (or fortunately for me), God operates on a personal level with each individual, so you're just going to have to approach him that way. As far as you're concerned he doesn't give a pile of donkey dung what Pat Robertsons done or hasn't done. He wants to know YOU. So be straight. He can take it. He appreciates honesty. As for Jimmy Swaggart and that bunch, I'm afraid at the judgement these people may very well be part of the group Christ said will cry out about all the "wonderful things" they'd done in his name (having had huge and highly profitable "ministries"), to which he will answer: "Depart from me, I never knew you." (the most dreaded words in the whole bible.) Lastly...one thing usually distinguishes people who are most adamant about the bible being so many "fairytales": they've never read it.

Oh, and just for the record, during the primaries Shrub envoked the name of Jesus. That got the US "TV Christians" on board for sure. Now we hear him saying "we all worship the same god" to the Muslims. This guy is no disciple of Christ. Look at the fruit. In Matthew chapter 24 Jesus warns to beware of false christs and false prophets: "Many shall come in my name and decieve many". Well, Shrub came in his name, did he not? Interestingly, in Thessalonians it says of the end times there will be such strong delusion, that if it were possible it would "deceive even the elect". It also says (and this one sends chills up my spine its so specific to the times) "For when they shall say, 'Peace and Safety', then shall sudden detruction came upon them..." In my opinion, anybody who actually reads these prophecies cannot fail to recognize their veracity and that they are pointed directly to the generation we are currently in. These are momentous times. Historic times. And yet: "Fear not what man can do to you, who after have killed the body can do no more, but rather, fear God- whom after the body is dead has power to throw both body and soul into hell." As for conspiracy, read the 2nd Psalm, which lays out the current situation, and Gods reaction to it. and, Have a nice day.

Posted by Too Blessed to Be Stressed @ 12/26/2003 11:31 PM EST

The Isreali Nazi's are ready to screw the Pallastinians into oblivion in 2004. This means fucking war on all fronts.

America is not a free country, and its citizens are being looted now for the final end game- satanic rule, death squads, forced labor, concentration camps- you get the idea.

All of the major party canidates will take this country to its appointed demise.

VOX is right, do NOT fear these criminals. Get ready for chaos as the Zionists are now well into their endgame. Clark, Bush and all the american Politico's are the ones you can thank for your children's serfdom

do not take their mark, its that simple.

Posted by Olam Ha Bob @ 12/26/2003 11:51 PM EST

Gentlemen, I am not suggesting that we as people are not responsible for our own future. Nor am I saying that we should simply blame the devil, wait for Jesus, and then go fishing.

All I'm saying is.........

there is a peace, not as the world finds it, but peace within us, through Him- no matter how bad it may get.


I would also point out that our founding fathers commited their struggle to the Creator. I believe we would be well advised to do the same.

Thanks for allowing the clarification.

Posted by Too Blessed to Be Stressed @ 12/27/2003 12:33 AM EST

quit quibbling about invisible gods and devils..

use whatever belief system you need, as long as you can sort the good people from the high functioning psychopaths who are in power

Posted by chester @ 12/27/2003 12:36 AM EST

vox: You almost had me sucked in and then you go dissing me ( as in disavowal) in your public forum. Perhaps you should have read you're e-mail before you did so - or perhaps you did and I bruised your fragile ego. We do, however, have similar tastes as your "favorite" quote of mine was one I thought was a particularly good turn of phrase. Let's examine all three ingredients for success that I set forth and analyze them a bit. First, "our leaders must be nameless and faceless". What the fuck are you, vox? A nameless, faceless voice in the wilderness, are you not? Then comes your "favorite", "our loyalties must be assured..." et al. How else does one ensure that the organization is not infiltrated by agents provacatuer? I'm open to suggestions. Any idea? And last, but as you are well aware of, definitely not least, "our ranks must be grown (should have used swelled) with the promise of profit". Do you believe that anything can be accomplished without money? Devoid of resources, any movement is doomed to failure. Sound logical to you, vox? Thought so.

As for the rest of you: Danny T, if I apply the same logic to your posts as you did to mine than I can only conclude that you"re really Danny Terrio, former host of the hit show Dance Fever. (Great post, by the way on government graft. Now that you've exposed them in such minute detail do you think they'll give it all back?) As for you Beat It, Big Shot (catchy title - is ther more?), I seem to recall something about reptiles and camels. Into bestiality are we, jhf? (And you thought I wouldn't recognize you - shame on you - I'm an ardent admirer of your delightful and flowery prose) God save the USA - never gonna happen. Go back to crawling ON YOUR FACE you useless piece of shit, I'm certain that's what you're best at. LoneWolf,I think you're hearts in the right place, but you're heads up your ass. To not vote is the strongest statement of defiance you can come up with? Pleeeeease. I'm sure that worries "them" immensely. Less voters = easier to rig the outcome. To the guy who posts as Noam Chomsky, once was enough, thank you. You really didn't have to post AND sign your post as Noam Chomsky. We get it - you're Noam Chomsky. Kudos to Truth for at least having an inkling as to the motivation behind my post - stir the shitstorm and see what rains down upon "their" heads. Enlightened, I know I can use a pragmatic thinker such as you. And you, Nicolas K, seem to have stumbled upon the Hegelian Dialectic. Nice going! Keep thinking along those lines and you will be prepared for what is to come. Martha, go back to the fucking vineyard. JFK and MLK moral adulterers? Sounds like an oxymoron to me. And as for Ike, all I can do is quote Meryl Streep in Death Becomes Her "Now, a warning". Too little too late. My statement to the Blessed One is the same as my statement to the other jesus freaks out in the streets, get off your fucking knees and help yourself (as in Galt helps those who helps themselves)

Back to you,vox. Let's see. Hmmm. A COINTELPRO agent who e-mails you from his business web address, reveals his true identity, and is easily traced (by the way, how did you get my wife's e-mail address), yeah, that analysis is spot on. What a fucking genius you are. Sorry vox, you don't win the booby prize this time. As you probably already know, I'm just a regular guy with a bit more brains and a bit more balls than most who is going to do something real for once. This is not it. Have no fear vox, for I am going to disappear into the ether from whence I came and will trouble you and your cohorts no more, Done.

Posted by john galt @ 12/27/2003 01:03 AM EST

That posting from John Galt is way over the top. Hilarious! He actually wrote "I AM JOHN GALT-JOIN ME." This dudes been contradicting himself since day one. Judging from his writings, I would say his character is more akin to a hopelessly pathetic Gail Wynand. I really hope this is just a feeble attempt at satire by some random bumbully trying to be clever or even a bored cointelpro agent because if not, than we're dealing with a severe form of desperation and zealotry.


Posted by brian @ 12/27/2003 01:09 AM EST


John Buchanan is a Republican
running for President on a
platform demanding repeal of
USAPATRIOT, honest vote counting,
an end to corporate influence in
government, and a ban on war

All in favor of war profiteering,
stand up so we can see you.

Posted by Sour Dove @ 12/27/2003 03:31 AM EST

To Chester:

The reference about Moore mentioning that the 9/11 attacks was a CIA job, I found on:


"A friend called today to say he saw the Bob Costas show on HBO yesterday. Michael Moore was a guest on the show. Moore stated unequivocally that there were 'no Arabs or terrorists' involved in the 9/11 attacks; the 9/11 attacks were a 'CIA/FBI' operation. More and more people are speaking out about the traitorous Bush regime's crimes against Americans and the world."

The Interview in question was on HBO 'on the record' 'all new late night with Bob Costas' Episode 2 , May 9 2003.

I've been unable to find a full transcript of the Interview on the net, but I found a part where Moore explains to Costas that Bush knows where Bin Laden is.

Whether or not he actually said what the person above has claimed, I don't know.

Did anyone see that show ??

Posted by Ricardo @ 12/27/2003 03:54 AM EST

Has anyone else here seen the website American Holacaust.com? It contains pretty much what we can expect in the future...and that might not be very far away!

Posted by charlie @ 12/27/2003 04:06 AM EST

Hey John Galt,or whoever the fuck you pretend to be,all you have done is talk shit since you have been on here,trying as hard as you can to set up vox with your and only YOUR ideas of planning felonies. Danny T, if I apply the same logic to your posts as you did to mine than I can only conclude that you"re really Danny Terrio, former host of the hit show Dance Fever.Dance fever?God,if you know the name of the host of dance fever you gotta be a fed.You know about tax shelters,so I assume you are a low level book keeper or have an AA in accounting but are slow so your controllers have you in the basement monitoring vox cause your to old and fat to be of use on the street.You post one or two times a month,but as soon as someone says John Galt,you waste no time responding do you tough guy.Disappear asshole,you are exactly everything this site stands against.You think you can use the bait of money to trick vox.I bet your money goes to the Bush reelection committee,or should I say part of your Government paycheck.You sure do keep tabs on everyone who posts on here don't you."Great post, by the way on government graft. Now that you've exposed them in such minute detail do you think they'll give it all back?I will answer that,hell no....But the more this info is exposed the more the people will learn the truth and not the fake media drivel from CNN and FOX asshole.That is the purpose of this site,to teach.

"Back to you,vox. Let's see. Hmmm. A COINTELPRO agent who e-mails you from his business web address, reveals his true identity, and is easily traced (by the way, how did you get my wife's e-mail address), yeah, that analysis is spot on. What a fucking genius you are. Sorry vox, you don't win the booby prize this time. As you probably already know, I'm just a regular guy with a bit more brains and a bit more balls than most who is going to do something real for once. This is not it. Have no fear vox, for I am going to disappear into the ether from whence I came and will trouble you and your cohorts no more, Done."

Like a goverment agent couldn't accidentally (another name that reminds me of you)send an e-mail from his so called wifes fake email address,for the sole purpose of getting vox to trace it.

Too Blessed to Be Stressed ,my grandfather was a Methodist minister,an honest one who never made a dime from preaching.I went to church 4 times every Sunday from as early as I can remember I was forced to read the bible as a kid and the whole thing sounded stupid,so do not say I never read the bible.I even believed it until I read The Age Of Reason.My grandfather died from a really nasty form of cancer that ate his brain when I was 11,my dad died from Lou Gehrigs ,when I was 19.God did nothing to help ease their suffering.Not the God of the Bible.I never said I did not believe in god,just not any of the so called Christen,Jewish,Islamic,Buddhist,or other organized religions.Starting wars because one person says his god is more powerful than someone else's.You are a hypocrite.Keep going to church if it makes you feel better about yourself.Then go out and fuck around on your wife,get drunk,do a little stealing here and there(no one will notice).If god is so powerful then why does he always need money.I suppose if he can build the universe,he should not have to get preachers to beg for money from poor people who have been brainwashed from childhood.God created the earth and everything in it.The only proof you need of that is to go outside and open your eyes.You Bible nuts think you can pray your way out of this,lol.God won't help you unless you help yourself.That is why he gave you a brain to think with.You want to take the easy way out and send in your tithe and expect God to do the rest.

Posted by Danny T @ 12/27/2003 04:29 AM EST

Too Blessed to Be Stressed,I never said there was no god,I said the bible is not the word of god.It was written by Jews who voted on what books should and should not be placed in the Bible(or so called word of god.It was written close to 350 years after Jesus died.Since their was no way to record this information at the time,the whole bible is heresy passed down over 350 years.If God wanted to write ten commandments,don't you think he is powerful enough to make them indestructible and in a universal language so the whole world would be able to see for themselves instead of taking the word of Jewish priests who just conveniently added they are the chosen people so they can kill others and take their land.If the Bible was written by anyone,it was more than likely Satan than God.

Posted by Danny T @ 12/27/2003 04:59 AM EST

Ladies and Gentleman, I feel the energy that is here in OUR words that is coming together by The Master's Design, only because the Big Picture is and always has been about Energy! Not necessarily the Energy as we know it today, lights to see, gas for our cars, heat for your homes and all that type shit in your material world. Yours and My Energy is what is being collected from the So Called Secret Government that has existed longer than our present day government has, they are only an extension that Darkness more than you can ever imagine. Do your research on The Annunaki (The Ruling Elite). They are running scared now because they know what is about to really happen in approximately 8 years from now in December of 2012. This world will no longer exist and they know that as long as you are full of fear and divided as a people, as they the Dark forces are, they will be able to interfere with your spiritual journey that was always promised to you. Unification of humankind in mass form is the most powerful Energy and deterent for any Evil that can and will exist. Your Spiritual Energy is determined to BE, it is programmed to BE and always will BE even after this FORM of life is over but not Life itself. Energy that was given to you by your Life Long giver of Life The Sun (Jesus), The only Light of the World, his 12 Followers The Zodiac that are all connected to a planet that rules that Zodicac under which you were born ever noticed that, and Billions of stars (One that belongs to YOU) can no longer stand the disruption and abuse of the Earths Atmosphere and she is going to rebel and soon. That's why every summer gets hotter and hotter and very few winters are even very cold anymore. For example it's December 27th now and it's like 50 degrees and shit. We have only known the Zodiac (Cosmos) to be associated with Man Made Months, January through December as is Man Made Time 24 hours. That is why we are so out of balance being contained in a Time Structure totally foreign to the nature of the SOUL. People are going out of their fucking minds, mentally and emotionally, the brain waves of the American people mostly have been severed at the root and they can no longer think for themselves,(See HAARP)they are in a life threatening choke hold in which they will surely be choked the hell out of if they don't choose for themselves to open the door of Consciousness and walk through. You don't have any other choice at this point in time. The reason the world is being upset geographically with storms, tornadoes, hurricanes and earthquakes are deeper than the EYES can see and you will not find the real reason on CNN. Those who are afraid and planning an escape from the distruction of this present physical world that we have all been told will eventually no longer exist because of her Evil and total disregard for Prime Creator, via their Underground Cities and tunnels that they have built assuming that they will be safe while the rest of the people will be exaserbated, and the Moon which will also be left virtually unscathed by the distruction of our present world is another one of their planned hideouts. That's why they keep going up to the Moon and have been for years because they know what you know not. They want you to be afraid of OuterSpace but they arent'. They want you to be afraid of the things you are supposed to know about. But no need for you to be afraid. For their spirit is so dark and the Energy needed to ascend with you spiritually they do not possess and they want to kill your Forever Potent Energy with the terror of Fear to keep you here with them, for they will never ascend spiritually, they will only infiltrate other worlds looking for refuge. Religion holds no value in the Spiritual World from which we all have derived from and will return, you've been told many times. It's up to you (FREE WILL) to make the choice of whether you want to get the hell out of hell or stay here and suffer, it's always been your choice. But the Dark Forces (SATAN) has always been fucking with your spirit which is Naturally obedient but not to Darkness only to Light. If you obey darkness all of this trial of a physical life, here on Earth (GAIA) there will be no living spirit alive in you to ascend anywhere (open your mind)! One thing the Jews did do in bringing us the Bible, is they did include some truth but distorted it in such a way as to confuse the fuck out of us all and whorship them instead of The Sun! If you Meditate which is the only necessity you need to fully awaken your mind and your dormant Energy at the base of the Spine (Kundalini), that will make the world Rise Up and simply shake off the dust. Nothing and No amount of Evil (especially George W. Bush) the Zionists and all associated with Darkness will be able to hold this earth together when Spiritually takes over and the Sun throws off all Energy that has been stirring up for the Evolution in Man. That is the burning fire in Revelation that is the destruction of this world. By the way, the Great Flood with Noah in the Ark is The submergence of the Great Continent of Atlantis at the bottom of the ocean that some say is Mythical, but I assure you NOT. The same Evil that is destroying this world, destroyed that one. Pay close attention to the devasting floods that are speading across the worlds. And unless WE Unite Spiritually, All People, because All Is 1, the greatest Power there is, Evil will never cease to exist. But think about it...We were promised The Kingdom of Heaven but there are many Kingdoms in the Heavens...which one do you belong to? We have many Gods, not One! Such as there are many different races of people, if there were only One God to which all belonged, how did we change into so many different types of nationalities with different cultures and ways of living but we all say we believe in God in our own way. If you want more information about much that which I have said please for all of our sakes, My People, brothers and sisters of all kinds, read "The Cosmos of the Soul" & "Atlantis Rising" by Patricia Cori. Those two books alone will stir you up like never before and everything that we have been saying on this Website will be so clear, there will be no stopping any of us from coming forward as we are now! "HAARP" The Ultimate Weapon of The Conspiracy by Jerry Smith, that will explain the holes ripping in the Ionosphere the top level of our Atmosphere. The Chemtrails are their solution to artificially heating the atmosphere and it's not working Because the Sun does not recognize that artificial layer and can burn right through it, but we're lucky to have the Stratosphere which is our saviour at the moment. We live in the Troposphere the most dense of climate and the Hydrosphere is the where subterrainean life is sustained. HAARP is a secret government Installation in Gakon, Alaska, covering at least 4 or 5 football fields and they are building one of the most destructive weapons known to man that is what HAARP is. It's destoying the atmosphere and the Chemtrails are their way of trying to keep the atmosphere from opening up and exposing the Magnetosphere which will incinerate all of us. They have fucked up big time and blame the Army and Navy for that. Virtually all natural disasters in addition to the Earth's being disgusted with being polluted and can no longer take it are a result of HAARP, their last and final destructive Weapon. Find out why people are going crazy, in different parts of the country, the mini microwaves in cell phones are depleting brain cells by the minute (I only use mine when absolutely necessary), disease is moving in like a swift tidal wave, the Dolphins and Great Whales can no longer be sonic weavers of the oceans, we need them badly, little do we know there is a grave shortage of Water the ultimate resource and all is being destroyed because of Greed and Power of SATAN! Go to Amazon.com and find these books, buy them used I did and they are in wonderful condition. Also when looking up these books look at the choices of other books that they give you that are similar to what you are looking for that might be of interest. They usually list the similar books of interest when you look up a certain book. Also read the reviews of the people who have read them, each and everytime I've relied on the reviews as to the contents of the book and 9 1/2 times out of 10 they are usually right on the money! "Telos - The Call goes out from the Hollow Earth and the Underground Cites" by Dianne Robbins, like Atlantis Rising, all will be clear, your Soul that knows truth automatically and your Intuition (the guide that knows eveything about you) will wake up instantly if you are of the Essence and you, you will no longer wonder what to do, it will be obvious. "Diplomacy by Deception" by John Coleman, there's a section in the book called "Tavistock" Operation Undeclared War. They will tell you what they have been up to in the past 50 or 60 years at least since 1921, and how they have planned to keep your minds subject to things of relatively little importance, how technical creativity must be discouraged, and the revision of history must be a deviant creation and the populace must be injected with their creation fatally. REAL HISTORY must never be made available to the masses. They also state that you must be mentally raped relentlessly with an attack and barage of Sex, Violence and Racial Strife by all avenues necessary via; Electronic Media, Print Media, Music and basically all forms used to communicate with you, they call it quote "Mental Junk Fook". I feel us coming together and I'm making my personal journey toward life beyond this one and I will always be here to help lift the Veil and bring my brothers and sisters along to what is Real and that is not this lifetme but the one after this one, you've been told many times. Don't think it's True? Then you just wait and see if you will believe. As I study I will inform all no matter who you are, we all need each other. Some how some way, all that are in tune with this website need to eventually mobilize and feel the energy personally, we need to get out and communicate with each other. The website is good for getting information into peoples minds, now we must put our collective consciousness into action and all will begin to unfold. As in the beginning of Time, "The Word Was The Beginning of All to Exist"! This is the straight and narrow, most despised road to take the road that we have chosen to take...toward truth! I'm a Warrior most destined to rebel against any Power the Prime Creator did not appoint! And as far as I know he appointed us all the Intuition to guide you most honestly and the only Truth you can always count on, your God in the physical realm of life. As you've been told; The Spirit of the Creator never leaves you, he's always with you; It knows all and sees all, Think about it! If everyone's Intuition is the Spirit of Prime Creator in all of us then it makes perfect sense. And while you're at it, think about how much you've been lied to about God too. He's in the sky watching you...he's closer than you think. That's why you're totally disturbed, you're searching outside yourself for a Saviour that you already have to defeat any Evil that may come your way. We must attach ourselves to the High Spirit in all of us first and then connect ourselves to each other, the Most powerful force in the Universe. The Dark side of Atlantis has Risen once again in the Power of this present world and in the consciousness of the People, that's why they fell from the face of the earth in the first place. The Warriors Win Hands Down!

Posted by MS (A Light Worker) @ 12/27/2003 09:25 AM EST

My People. Isn't it obvious that the Awakening is becoming all too obvious to the Dark Forces and that is why a Deadly Terror Attack is about to break loose very soon and they keep telling you that, so that all Rebellious ones will be dealth with or contained and the stong will die because of it, to cause no trouble and their Control will only exist for the remainder of this false time as we know it. We had better get out Now and start with the distribution of Information and come together, for they are surely running out of time and so are we. This Website is one of the most dangerous threats to The Manipulating Evil that surrounds us! When you realize that you only have one thing to live for and that is Prime Creator, not even your family should be your first thought, they are only extensions of your thoughts, and it is up to you go guide them with the same Essence that You have been given to Guide yourself, for you will be seperated at one point or another in Life and to worry about where they will go and what will happen to them will not even cross your Minds because you will know! I notice there's a lot of spirituality on this site, once again, The Universe is the Master and to it we shall submit. Tune into it and Life is Everlasting!

Posted by MS (A Light Worker) @ 12/27/2003 10:28 AM EST

Boy that John Galt cop is one delusional cop.
No one would be so stupid and to talk the thunderous amount of total blustering bluffing bullshit that this guy has been spouting for the last couple of weeks. I like how he spouted in his last post about how he can use this or that person for HIS revolution? Imagine if this poor schmuck wasn't a cop and actually is some guy who thinks that he's gonna lead some revolution of HIS. What a fucking loser. Did this guy come through with all the money like he was spouting off about vox???

Vox Comment: Not a nickle!

Posted by Beacon of Hope @ 12/27/2003 10:34 AM EST

Hell, Christmas eve, two "gentlemen" from DHS paid me a personal call at my place of residence. It seems some "well meaning citizen" thought I had "bad" firearms in the house, and reported it. But as it turned out, I don't own a gun, which did not, however, keep them from searching for the WIQ. They are bold shits, arent they? I'd just like to know why now, and why me?

Posted by Randy @ 12/27/2003 10:39 AM EST

Let's Come together. I work in the City New York and I want to meet people who are Ready, Willing and Able to get down to the Nitty Gritty. We need to start now, don't put off what we can do today! And for you Agents out there lurking around in the bushes watching these words, My mind is in Psychic condition because I Meditate on My Creation, that is your Window opening once you do. I can smell you out and see you even when you can't see me. Evil leaves a pattern and is always traceable. Don't think you can mingle amongst us without our knowing, because as you can see we've already scooped out some of your buddies! People I'm ready to get together, I'm a Revolutionary on the road to Evolution!

Posted by MS (A Light Worker) @ 12/27/2003 10:40 AM EST

"Let me tell you what "Galt": a.) If you can walk out in Gods creation and not sense Him in all of nature, then u ain't that damn smart. and b.) No plan of man that denies his Creator is ever gonna prosper ... Your "position" is just more short sighted shallow ass pagan neanderthal tripe from people that think might makes right..."

And your God is just an excuse you use to worship YOURSELF, you weak-minded fucking ape

Posted by Hey "Beat it" @ 12/27/2003 11:58 AM EST

Reptilian UFO and New Age posts have been replaced with religious posts about good and evil and "the light" and paranoid suspicion of each other.

"Weapons of mass distraction". You have been distracted from possible goals.

The goals should be about taking away the tools the shrub's handlers can use to enforce a dictatorship.

- fight the Patriot Act 2, bring back the constitution.

- bring back democracy. Start counting our votes.

- take back the media!

- end the police state (where the police report to the shrub through homeland security)

- bring back the UN and world court. These institutions are not perfect, but there needs to be some way of holding Shrub accountable. Hey, he believes in the death penalty. What IS the penalty for treason, anyway?

- fight fiat currency. This economic tool is what is slowly forcing a new world order. Like clockwork, the US dollar will collapse and the Euro will become a defacto world currency giving them another 65 years. They don't care that the debt here will (already has?) collapse our standard of living.

- support funding for education and embrace alternative viewpoints. Look for foreign textbooks ("What is the Texas textbook law?") to get alternative views of history into the school system.

- be patriotic, but be suspicious of government patriotism. The flag is not what matters, it is values of democracy that matter. Extreme patriotism leads to fascism.

- end the empire, bring troops home to the US for defensive purposes and let other countries build their own democracies. It doesn't matter if you like it or not, other countries can build their own societies that are different than ours. Democracy means the many get their way.

Be wary of the day UN troops enter the US to assist in a terrorist incident.

- get your friends and neighbors to wake the fuck up

It doesn't really matter who the posters are. It's the ideas that matter.

You can accomplish great things yourself and with your friends and neighbors. Trust no one except for those you already trust.

A small group can accomplish things a big group, likely to be infiltrated can not.

That's why the US wasn't supposed to have a central bank or standing federal army. Small groups should defend their local values.

This site should be about ideas for change. Vox is not your leader. You are your own leader. Vox is your conduit, gateway, to ideas for change.

It is up to you to implement.

By the way, I love the "who is Tim Osman?" on the money idea.

Posted by sammy @ 12/27/2003 12:42 PM EST

Reptilian UFO and New Age posts have been replaced with religious posts about good and evil and "the light" and paranoid suspicion of each other.

"Weapons of mass distraction". You have been distracted from possible goals.

The goals should be about taking away the tools the shrub's handlers can use to enforce a dictatorship.

- fight the Patriot Act 2, bring back the constitution.

- bring back democracy. Start counting our votes.

- take back the media!

- end the police state (where the police report to the shrub through homeland security)

- bring back the UN and world court. These institutions are not perfect, but there needs to be some way of holding Shrub accountable. Hey, he believes in the death penalty. What IS the penalty for treason, anyway?

- fight fiat currency. This economic tool is what is slowly forcing a new world order. Like clockwork, the US dollar will collapse and the Euro will become a defacto world currency giving them another 65 years. They don't care that the debt here will (already has?) collapse our standard of living.

- support funding for education and embrace alternative viewpoints. Look for foreign textbooks ("What is the Texas textbook law?") to get alternative views of history into the school system.

- be patriotic, but be suspicious of government patriotism. The flag is not what matters, it is values of democracy that matter. Extreme patriotism leads to fascism.

- end the empire, bring troops home to the US for defensive purposes and let other countries build their own democracies. It doesn't matter if you like it or not, other countries can build their own societies that are different than ours. Democracy means the many get their way.

Be wary of the day UN troops enter the US to assist in a terrorist incident.

- get your friends and neighbors to wake the fuck up

It doesn't really matter who the posters are. It's the ideas that matter.

You can accomplish great things yourself and with your friends and neighbors. Trust no one except for those you already trust.

A small group can accomplish things a big group, likely to be infiltrated can not.

That's why the US wasn't supposed to have a central bank or standing federal army. Small groups should defend their local values.

This site should be about ideas for change. Vox is not your leader. You are your own leader. Vox is your conduit, gateway, to ideas for change.

It is up to you to implement.

By the way, I love the "who is Tim Osman?" on the money idea.

Posted by sammy @ 12/27/2003 12:44 PM EST

I didn't author this but wanted to share it with the group.

A Truly Wide-Awake American From Name Withheld 12-25-03

I am one American who IS wide awake on what is going on in my country and around the world. I could explain things that would curl your toe nails.

As a free nation, the United States is done. Via the pre-planned "inside job" 9-11, and the subsequent Patriot Acts, Dept of Homeland Security, Presidential Executive Orders, and new "enforcement" laws buried deep in legislation passed by our "zombied" Congress, the peoples of the United States are being placed under increased "lockdown", and, with another pre- planned 9-11 looming on the horizon, the endgame is total lockdown. Hitler's concentration camps for the Jews and other undesirables will pale in comparison for what the U.S. government has in store for its "undesirables". The majority of Americans are placated with the many of life's "trinkets". As long as they can have their Twinkies, SUVs, Gameboys, Barney, and Monday Night Football, life's just great! - whether it's being a couch potato at home, or a sardine in a
4' x 5' cell in a "re-education center" in the future. Too many Americans are overweight, out of shape, malnourished from nutrient-stripped foods, on drugs
(whether legal or illegal), in denial, turned- on, tuned-out, turned-off, brain-dead, etc, to be able to muster any kind of effective resistance to what is about to take place across the American landscape. As a consequence, millions will die.


Terrorism is big business! And, all too often, big business is terrorism. The common misconception in the public's mind is that terrorists are a bunch of dirt poor malcontents who somehow manage to bypass our best security and commit horrible acts against us God-fearing, flag-waving, freedom-loving Americans. In other words - as President Bush would have us believe - they (the terrorists) hate us because of our freedoms.

For 9-11 to have happened was more than whatever Bin Laden could have dreamed up or even financed. Bin Laden, as powerful as he certainly is in his own right, does not, however, have the power to cause the United States Air Defenses to "stand down" and "delay" during the aircraft hijackings and subsequent attacks. That kind of power could only come from "within" the United States and would take enormous amounts of money to plan 9-11 and to guarantee the cooperation and silence of the many players and participants, at whatever levels of their respective operations. And where does that kind of money come from?

9-11 was funded via four sources.

1. The red-hot ponzi-schemed stock market of the latter 90's during the Clinton years. While people and institutions across America were regurgitating "it's the economy, stupid" (a favorite Clinton-era saying) to each other, billions were skimmed, sometimes outright stolen, from their investment portfolios (as well as from foreign investors, too). We know the stories, as they have since been reported in the news. Billions "lost" became billions "earned" somewhere else. Paper trails and computer records may be difficult to find now, but not impossible.

2. The Y2K fiasco. The infamous Y2K bug was real. A real nightmare could have happened. Billions worldwide were spent on the eradication of the bug. Amongst the reality, however, was all too much hype, distortions, and outright lies by those who stood to gain handsomely by selling new computers and software to the frightened and gullible. Again, billions spent became billions earned.

3. The California / western U.S. energy crisis of
2000-2001. The western U.S. was held hostage by a handful of energy companies, who extorted billions from those who could ill afford it. Businesses went out of business. People died. President Bush was not concerned at the time (which should be a clue) - "let the free market reign" was his attitude. Cheney was holding secret "energy meetings" with the likes of Enron, etc, the records of which were sealed under "national security" (which should be another clue).

If Enron made billions from hijacking the West, then where did all their money go, that they had to file bankruptcy (another clue)?

Perhaps some of their ill-gotten mammon was spent on the murder of their high-level in-the-loop employee Cliff Baxter. Or, perhaps, it was a "black bag" operation, as in CIA/MIC, made to look like a "suicide". Nevertheless, Baxter, like Vince Foster before him (during the Clinton era), knew too much, was too ethical, and was about to testify before Congress. Cliff's testimony could have halted the countdown to 9-11.

4. As military bases were being mothballed during the Clinton years, supposedly billions were being "saved", only to be "spent" elsewhere, on elaborate futuristic defense projects, where there is little accountability in how much is being spent and on what. Which is a perfect "cover" for "black ops" projects, such as funding for pre-9-11.

9-11 took billions to pull off. Many people, at various levels of operations, knowing or unknowingly, domestic or foreign, had to be "paid" to make it all happen. Some, unfortunately, unwilling to "play ball", were "silenced" forever.

In looking back at the Kennedy era, President Kennedy had begun troop withdrawals from Vietnam, with the intended goal of getting out of that ugly mess before it got uglier. And there was the Bay of Pigs fiasco. For these and many other reasons, Jack, and years later Bobby, were assassinated. When Johnson came to power as President, the MIC/CIA got its Vietnam war back. As is now public knowledge, the Gulf of Tonkin incident was "staged" for Johnson to justify before Congress and the American people the escalation of the war. It seemed like an "endless war on Communism" (as in Bush's "endless war on terrorism"). In the end, the deaths of 58,000 U.S. soldiers were but chump change for the billions made by the MIC/CIA in their blood-for-money war.

We can also look back to Pearl Harbor of WWII. Or the Maine. Or the Lusitania. Or the Civil War. Many examples exist where things were "staged" for an intended result, by those treasonous U.S. citizens in power and position who would benefit. And it's no secret anymore that major U.S. corporations traded with Nazi Germany during WWII while at the same time we were fighting them, or that major U.S. banks and investment houses invested Nazi funds to keep their war machine going (one such investor was none other than Prescott Bush). War is very profitable, when it doesn't ravage your own borders.

So, who would benefit from 9-11? With the U.S. economy teetering towards collapse during 2001, with military bases having been and still being mothballed, with defense contractors laying off thousands, with secret trade deals with Red China that gave away many strategic assets, with a proposed oil pipeline on hold and the drug trade almost wiped out because of the Taliban in Afghanistan, with sweet crude almost sitting idle in Iraq because of the post - Gulf War I trade sanctions, with several nations either having dumped the dollar and converted to the Euro or considering to do so, and a host of other reasons, there was ample rationale for another "Pearl Harbor".

The deaths of 2700+ U.S. citizens (via the felling of the Twin Towers) was but nickel-and-dime for what would be gained by the conspirators - oil, drugs, and continued world dominance of Federal Reserve Notes as the world's reserve and oil-exchange currency.

Again, who would benefit from 9-11? Many people in positions of power and influence, in government, corporations, defense contractors, banks, oil companies, those in Cheney's secret energy meetings, the Federal Reserve, etc. You only need follow the "money trail", especially those who stood to gain on the stock market in the days and moments prior to
9-11. Billions were made on 9-11, as the towers fell, thousands died, and the stock market slid.

And with the recent revelations of the mutual funds' fiascos, where billions have been stolen from investors, as well as Rumsfeld's plans to close more military bases in order to "save" billions, it should be obvious via the above analysis that another 9-11 is being put into operation by the same players who will benefit from the results of another such event. And if Bush runs into trouble in regaining the presidency in
2004, another 9-11 will precede the elections so he can declare himself president until the crisis is over, ie, "president-for-life".

The parallels between pre-Nazi Germany to Nazi Germany, and pre-"9-11" America to "9-11" America, are striking. Hitler may have been defeated, but Nazism has lived on in, and has finally conquered, the "land of the free and home of the brave". (If you have any doubts about Nazism in America, do a Google on "Operation Paper Clip" and "Operation Keelhaul", and Prescott Bush.)

If Cliff Baxter was expendable, if 3000 people were nickel-and-dime, then you and I are likewise.


It has been widely believed by many that Saddam was a CIA/MIC puppet. During the Congressional investigations into the Iran-Contra scandals of the 1980s during the Reagan-Bush administrations, hard evidence was revealed of the direct support by the United States' government, banks, and corporations, as well as Western European. In other words, Saddam was created and maintained in power by the West. As is being currently reported by some media outlets, our current Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld was one of the primary "on record" contributors to Saddam's success and arsenal of bio-chemical agents.

It has been widely reported, and re-reported, that Saddam "gassed his own people" during 1989. Although Saddam could do what he wanted in his own country, gassing 5000 people was not a decision nor action he performed on his own.

Strong evidence exists that the AIDS virus was manufactured by our military back in the '70s as a bio-war weapon. It was "piggy-backed" upon the Hepatitis vaccine, which was given to black Africans during that time. Then the AIDS crisis exploded, and now threatens massive deaths across the African continent, and has spread around the world.

The CIA/MIC has a long history of testing bio-war agents on various peoples of the world, as well as on its own citizens here in the U.S. (Do a Google on MKULTRA. Also, West Nile - another "weaponized" virus - has spread across America like wildfire. And now, a flu "epidemic" has spread like wildfire. Coincidence? Or planned?) War presents an excellent opportunity to "field test" new agents. Troops can be "vaccinated", and then later "tested" on the open battlefield.

By 1989, the CIA/MIC, as part of the greater World Intelligence Community Covert Alliance (WICCA), needed a "field test". With Saddam's cooperation - as a puppet, of course - 5000 nobody-would-ever-miss people were gassed. It was a success.

A more comprehensive test was needed. So Saddam, being duped by United States' double-talk, invaded Kuwait, and Gulf War I ensued. U.S. troops, being a good cross-section of the American population, were "vaccinated" and sent off to battle, only to be exposed to "bio-chemical" agents. Thousands came down with what has been named "Gulf War Syndrome". While the DOD has consistently denied any culpability, many Gulf War vets have died.

As vets have been reporting their illnesses to the VAs across the country in the years that have followed, the CIA/MIC have been tabulating the results. With these results, along with further "mini-tests" based upon these results, a new generation of bio-geneti-chemical agents have been modeled on super- computers, and are now being field tested in the current Gulf War.

The "syndromes" attacking our troops now, as well as during/after Gulf War I, are, in my opinion, the result of "Above Top Secret" black projects aimed against our troops by WICCA, via bio-geneti-chemical agents, with the ultimate aim to nullify any attempts by Patriots within the United States to regain our Independence from the un-Constitutional "coup" which has happened via 9-11, the Patriot Acts, and the Department of Homeland Security. The United States is the only nation on earth with enough "armed" Patriots to repel a hostile takeover attempt by our government, or any foreign government, or the New World Order, as a "right" guaranteed by the Second Amendment. However, all the guns, ammo, tanks, and helicopter gunships are no match against BGC toxins unleashed upon those who resist the NWO! The Zionist/Masonic/Illuminati/satanic shadow-government finally has the upper hand to destroy any and all resistance, here and abroad. The United States, as a free and sovereign nation, is finished.

Another 9-11 is unavoidable, as the first was carefully planned by insiders, so too will the next, in order to finish the final stages of the "coup" against the one nation on earth which could stop the NWO in its tracks, but now no longer can. Any who resist will be "terminated"!


There is a darkness which appears as light. It is Luciferian. And that is what we have in this nation and the government which rides roughshod on our lives, and which has hijacked and gutted our freedoms and liberties, and our Constitution and Bill of Rights - all in the name of "defending and protecting" our freedoms and liberties, of which what we have left is but an empty shell. And that shell is about to be broken and swept away, for another 9-11 is an obvious future contrivance, in which case, it will become a total "lockdown on America". For we have become a nation which has thrown its God behind its back!

As the prophet Jeremiah shouted in his day, "what will you do when the end comes?!"


With today's communications surveillance systems, my email to you will be no secret to any number of the world's intelligence agencies, especially Echelon. "They" will know where my email originated from. Anonymousness is pointless in Nazi America, and in the greater New World Order.

Posted by Truthseeker @ 12/27/2003 01:11 PM EST


Posted by jhf @ 12/27/2003 01:41 PM EST

To Ricardo:

ok, thanks for the follow-up

while i take Icke with a grain of salt, he usually doesnt make shit up of that nature about mainstream stuff..

I'll try to verify that bob costas interview..

Posted by chester @ 12/27/2003 01:48 PM EST

still, Moore has some big time cred issues..

i have a hard time accepting that all his service for the powerful is just clever positioning on his part ..

thats just the thing..he's too well positioned..

they let chomsky do his thing as long has he watches his mouth, but its like theyve adopted Moore as their pet leftist

it don't smell right..

Posted by chester @ 12/27/2003 02:02 PM EST

Why is why
Never comes so sloowy
Yes no maybe
But again a why

Posted by RONN @ 12/27/2003 02:46 PM EST

In her novel Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand rhetorically asks, "Who is John Galt?" The question cannot be answered and is a symbol of objectivism. Among other things, it implies extreme individualism and distrust of government.

Who is John Galt, really??

" I am JOHN GALT and I will not be deterred and I will not rest until the evil, zionist, new world scum are put in their rightful place - SIX FEET UNDER."

Posted by Phear @ 12/27/2003 02:59 PM EST

These are the real assholes that keep the wars going.If you ever want a really good laugh,watch the 700 club on TV one time.These assholes use the people, brainwashed since they were children by organized religion to send in their money to put Bush in power.Bush knows this and that is why he uses the old born again line.He knows where his money is coming from (along with corporate thieves like Kenny boy Lay).Thomas Paine saw this coming along with Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson.He knew if the state and church were not separated,too much power would end up in to few peoples hands.It seems after almost 227 years he proved to be right.What is ironic is Thomas Payne is listed on Bush's prayer website as one of Americans true patriots.I can only bet poor Thomas is turning over in his grave.

wereso that is why Evangelicals a new lifeline for Israelis
Craig Nelson - For the Journal-Constitution
Thursday, December 25, 2003

Herzliya, Israel --- As they say in the preaching business, Pat Robertson had them in the palm of his hand.

No matter that his audience wasn't predominantly Christian, let alone American. They drank up every word. And when the founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network wrapped up his give-no-ground speech to the elite of Israel's political and military establishment with the ringing declaration "Be strong! Be strong!" many of his listeners jumped to their feet to give him a boisterous round of applause.

The rapturous response to Robertson last week in Herzliya is just one example of how a large and growing group of conservative American Christians has entered Israel's political scene with startling vigor, even as the Holy Land's indigenous Christian communities wither as the result of war and a dying economy.

Calling themselves Christian Zionists, the evangelicals are increasingly viewed as a political lifeline by influential Israelis who are eager for allies to fight what they see as a rising global tide of hate aimed at Jews and Israel.

The strategic alliance with "groups that are friends and special allies" --- including 70 million U.S. evangelicals and 600 million worldwide, according to estimates by the movement's leaders --- comes at an opportune time, according to Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein, founder of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.

"This is a war, a war of images that reverberate throughout the world," Eckstein said last week in this seaside town. "The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is at the cusp of becoming, God forbid, a worldwide conflict between Jews and Muslims."

High-profile events in recent months underscore the blossoming ties. In October, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon addressed 3,000 visiting evangelical Christians from 80 countries, including about 450 Americans.

"We love you!" Sharon told the gathering. In a march through the streets of Jerusalem, they returned the affection, waving signs such as "Oklahoma Loves Israel" and shouting "Hallelujah to the God of Israel!"

The same month, several thousand evangelical Christians flocked to Washington to participate in a "Christian Solidarity for Israel" rally sponsored by the Christian Coalition.

Just days later, about 16,000 U.S. churches, many of them in the South, participated in a one-day "Stand for Israel" prayer campaign co-chaired by Ralph Reed, who formerly headed the Christian Coalition and is now the Atlanta-based head of the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign in the South.

The swelling support of evangelical Christians has paid political dividends for Israel --- so much so that creation of a special parliamentary committee to steer Israel's relationship with them is under consideration.

In a campaign orchestrated by Robertson, the Rev. Jerry Falwell and leading Christian Zionist Gary Bauer, hundreds of thousands of e-mails and letters poured into the White House last year after President Bush, in a Rose Garden speech, appeared to equate the Israeli army's actions in the West Bank with Palestinian terrorism.

In April, Bush's call on Israel to remove its tanks from Palestinian territories in the West Bank triggered a similar flood.

Earlier this year, when Bush was rumored to be preparing to pressure Sharon to make concessions in the interest of the U.S.-backed "road map" to peace, Bauer and other evangelical leaders warned Bush in a letter that any attempt to be "evenhanded" between the Israelis and Palestinians would be "morally reprehensible."

Israel receives more than political support from the movement. Eckstein's Chicago-based International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is Israel's largest private philanthropy, according to a survey conducted this month by the Israeli daily Ha'aretz. Last year, the organization and its 250,000 evangelical donors gave $20 million to various Israeli causes.

To make up for the shortfall in tourism caused by the war and suicide bombings, Israel's Tourism Ministry earlier this year began targeting evangelical Christians with appeals based on theology and politics. It is buying time on Christian radio stations in the United States and deploying representatives to evangelical churches across America to air its pitch: Show your support for Israel in its travails by vacationing there.

By all accounts, Israeli tourism officials say, the campaign has been a resounding success, despite a State Department travel advisory issued Oct. 20 warning U.S. citizens against traveling to Israel due to violence.

Not all Israelis are knowledgeable about, let alone comfortable with, the support they are receiving from Christian Zionists. In a primer on the movement for the Herzliya gathering last week, Eckstein tried to debunk what he described as myths about it.

"Contrary to the impression --- I would say the stereotype, even the prejudice --- that many of us have, [Christian Zionists] are not Southern rednecks. They are educated, they are well-to-do and they are committed to Judeo-Christian values."

Eckstein accused the media of propagating the notion that Christian Zionists support Israel only as a prelude to the second coming of Christ, when, according to a literal interpretation of the Bible, all Jews will be converted to Christianity or wiped out in Armageddon. "It is incorrect," he told the Israeli audience. "The real reason [Christian Zionists] support Israel is because of the Bible: 'God will bless those who bless Israel, curse those who curse Israel.' "

Apocalypse, however, was not far from Robertson's mind.

"The entire world is being convulsed in a religious struggle --- the struggle is whether Hubal, the Moon God of Mecca, known as Allah, is supreme, or whether the Judeo-Christian Jehovah, God of the Bible, is supreme," the televangelist and former Republican presidential candidate told his Israeli listeners.

Robertson also delighted many when, in remarks to local reporters, he called for "elimination" of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and warned that any attempt by Bush to force Israel to cede East Jerusalem to the Palestinians as a capital would cost the president "an enormous amount of support among the evangelical votes in the U.S."

Robertson, of course, is no stranger to controversy. After the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, he agreed when Falwell, whom he was interviewing on his TV show, said feminists and homosexuals were partly responsible for the Sept. 11 atrocities because they had angered God. Falwell later apologized for his statement, and Robertson demurred that he had been confused during his lengthy discussion with Falwell.

Ironically, Robertson also has been accused of anti-Semitism. His 1992 book, "The New World Order," expounded conspiracy theories about all-powerful Jewish bankers. Robertson later apologized.

But his contentious past has not dogged him in Israel, said Rabbi David Rosen of the American Jewish Committee. Most Israelis are not familiar with the controversies and they do not care, he said. "Even if they did, it wouldn't make any difference. The past three years have elicited reminders of the historical traumas of the Jewish people. Israelis say, 'We can't be too picky or discriminating about our friends when there is such hostility toward us.' "

Posted by Danny T @ 12/27/2003 02:59 PM EST

To MS a light worker for who?I went to your stupid disinformation site and read about,well,I cheated and cut and pasted:

Planet Nibiru (Ne.Bi.Ru) is known by many names, such as: Planet X,
The Twelfth Planet, Marduk, Paradise, "Heaven" and the "Kingdom of
the Heavens" and etc. in various cultures. Although Nibiru has been
called The Twelfth Planet, technically it is not a planet of our
solar system. In fact, it is a planet from another solar system and
the star that was the sun of its solar system has been extinguished.
Nibiru was never visible from the Earth but the star which was the
centre of Nibiru's solar system was visible in the skies from Earth.
The orbiting pattern of Nibiru gave the Anunnaki the advantage of
having a mobile observatory from which they could observe and
investigate many other planets near its orbit.

That and your chemtrails references tells me you are trying to make this site look stupid,so go post them on your UFO sites.

Phear,Who is the shadow,The shadow Knows!By the way,I already talked to Vox about John Galt being from Atlas shrugged a couple months ago.You seemed to take up for him mighty fast though when everyone else smells fed.Who is Phear?Johns coworker.I see you posted your email addy,is that so vox will trace you and your new e-mail address will be different?But I could be wrong?

Posted by Danny T @ 12/27/2003 03:26 PM EST

"LoneWolf,I think you're hearts in the right place, but you're heads up your ass. To not vote is the strongest statement of defiance you can come up with? Pleeeeease. I'm sure that worries "them" immensely. Less voters = easier to rig the outcome."

Setting aside the gratuitous insult, I suggested two paths of action, or rather non-action. Don't vote and don't pay the income tax. Voting sanctions. Paying taxes supports.

If you believe that violence is the solution then you are playing their game, by their rules. They would love nothing better.

The sad fact is that those employed by the government are entirely dependent on we, the people for their continued existence. Psychologically this is abhorrent to them since no one likes to be a dependent. They mask their dependency with shrill cries of patriotism. They sense that patriotism is what keeps people paying their salaries and emotionally it justifies their choice of "careers".

As to your comment regarding my low level of defiance...well I follow the example of Jesus, Mahatma Ghandi, Frances of Assisi, and many others who showed us that being absorbed by the transgression of others only brings you to their level.

Remember why Jesus was crucified. Not because he was not a revolutionary, but because he would not be king (at least not in the worldly sense) and lead the Jews in revolution.

I really think your nick is very poorly chosen since John Galt sought to disarm the state by withdrawing his support.

Posted by LoneWolf @ 12/27/2003 03:35 PM EST

Danny T., I am not here to post Bullshit and to convince anyone of anything. I believe in all that Vox has to say, and what most of us posting on this site believes is happening. I cannot make anything look bad if is isn't already. I'm a Light Worker for myself and I only seek to share information and you believe what the Fuck you will on your own. My intentions were and are only to come together and expose the Bullshit that we're all being lured into. You seem to act as though you are the fucking Judge of what is right and wrong. People should do just as you did, don't take anybody's word for anything, do your own homework and live your life as you see fit, the outcome of the world is the only thing that is definite to be. Just as you found a reference to what I mentioned, there are many others who support what I've said and You and I can only read and have an opinion on what we've read, but don't really know whether it's true or not. I've agreed with many of your postings and never even sought to ridicule you because of what you believe. It's sad that when most of us are here on this site for a very specific reason, and we all know what that is, you have to disect and analyze others postings who are in agreement with the reason for this site being in existance anyway and then make unnecessary comments. But I'm not mad at ya, wouldn't benefit me to even use that Energy. I will back again and again and will continue. In your pursuit of whatever it is you're up to, you could at least respect others and be Nice!

Posted by MS (A Light Worker) @ 12/27/2003 03:45 PM EST

Danny T., I am not here to post Bullshit and to convince anyone of anything. I believe in all that Vox has to say, and what most of us posting on this site believes is happening. I cannot make anything look bad if is isn't already. I'm a Light Worker for myself and I only seek to share information and you believe what the Fuck you will on your own. My intentions were and are only to come together and expose the Bullshit that we're all being lured into. You seem to act as though you are the fucking Judge of what is right and wrong. People should do just as you did, don't take anybody's word for anything, do your own homework and live your life as you see fit, the outcome of the world is the only thing that is definite to be. Just as you found a reference to what I mentioned, there are many others who support what I've said and You and I can only read and have an opinion on what we've read, but don't really know whether it's true or not. I've agreed with many of your postings and never even sought to ridicule you because of what you believe. It's sad that when most of us are here on this site for a very specific reason, and we all know what that is, you have to disect and analyze others postings who are in agreement with the reason for this site being in existance anyway and then make unnecessary comments. But I'm not mad at ya, wouldn't benefit me to even use that Energy. I will be back again and again and will continue because I believe in what this site is all about, regardless of what you think. In your pursuit of whatever it is you're up to, you could at least respect others and be Nice!

Posted by MS (A Light Worker) @ 12/27/2003 03:47 PM EST

Oh and by the way Danny, T. I never told you or anyone else to go to any websites at all, I only said to look up a few books, so what disinformation site did you go to? You're right Nebiru is not a part of our Solar System, I never said that they were, only infiltrators of Solar Systems and it's inhabitants because as you said "The Star which was the Sun of it's Solar System was Extinguished" and what do you think would happen if our Sun was extinguished, you would die for sure or you would have to find another place where there is Sun! You must have went to a site that was created specifically for misinformation. Dig deeper there's more.

Posted by MS ( A Light Worker) @ 12/27/2003 03:59 PM EST

I agree with chester regarding Moore, there is something fishy about the way the media treat him, but it may have to do with an attempt to use Columbine to disarm the population, or maybe they feel they don't have a choice (he DOES sell quite a lot of books).
About HAARP, I'm just wondering, could it be used to create a natural disaster in lieu of the much publicized coming terror attack? FEMA would take over, so the end result would be similar.
to john galt: you're vastly entertaining, although your posts could use more brevity. As for Hegel, I'm afraid he "discovered" dialectics thousands of years after the Egyptians, the Babylonians, and so on. I suggest you spend more time educating yourself; remember, cynicism is just misdirected anger, which usually translates into bad skin.

Posted by Nicolas K. @ 12/27/2003 04:25 PM EST

TO MS-I am not stupid enough to waste my money on a book without doing a search on what it is about.
You say you are here to help VOX spread the truth,then make posts about chemtrails,or reptile lizards (which Vox said he did not want posted on here because it discredits his site if I recall)next you will be posting about clones.I never said shit about "You're right Nebiru is not a part of our Solar System, I never said that they were, only infiltrators of Solar Systems and it's inhabitants because as you said "The Star which was the Sun of it's Solar System was Extinguished" I cut and pasted it from the first site I looked up.


I cut and pasted this from another of your wise sites!

The essence of the story is that the Human Race, as we know it, is in fact a Reptile/Mammal hybrid species that was created several thousand years ago by highly intelligent (but cold hearted) reptilian visitors to our planet known collectively, as the Annunaki (or more commonly as Dragons). This feat of genetic engineering was apparently achieved by mixing Homo-Erectus genetic material with their own genes, and then implanting this new mix into the eggs of Homo Erectus females for the purpose of a much-needed labour force. Firstly Homo Sapiens, and then many thousands of years later, from an upgraded genetic mix, yours truly, Homo Sapiens -Sapiens. For your interest, another variety of non-human being from the same source is actually recorded in the Old Testament under the name of the Nephilim.
I could care less if your mad at me and I respect 90% of the posters on here.If you posted something worth reading,I might respect you too,though I doubt it highly!

Posted by Danny T @ 12/27/2003 08:22 PM EST

I am happy to say Dennis Kucinich is now on the Delaware primary ballot.Two months ago Delaware had no one to represent him.I got a list of 35 possible supporters from his main website and emailed them all.In less than 2 months we got enough signatures to get him on the ballot and equal campaign money.Most people when asked who was the best man for president,they said Dennis was but the mainstream press counts him out as someone who has no chance of winning.This is what the press wants you to think.When did it become the presses duty to say who we can elect.I am only one person but by spending a day on my computer,Dennis is now in the DE Primary.My point is how much difference just one person can make.
Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate who said ,if elected the first thing he will do is repeal the patriot act.

The great left hope?
Many progressives are praising Dennis Kucinich for saying all the right things -- and then they're backing other Democrats. But the Cleveland populist says he's running to win.

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By David Moberg

Oct. 18, 2003 Rep. Dennis Kucinich caught presidential fever about 20 months ago. He had quickly written an impassioned speech, "A Prayer for America," about the evils of the Bush administration and his own hopes for the nation, which he gave to a conference of the Southern California Americans for Democratic Action. Without his knowledge, ADA leader Lila Garrett began circulating the speech on the Internet. Within weeks Kucinich received more than 25,000 enthusiastic e-mails. Last February, precisely a year and many speeches later, he initiated his presidential campaign at a labor union conference in Iowa, promising to deliver "a government you can call your own, a people's government, a workers' White House."

This week, with more attention to his Cleveland roots in a poor, transient, blue-collar family, he gave speeches relaunching his campaign with an equally undiluted progressive message as he flew around the country.

But if Kucinich initially felt the draft of political movement winds, those gusts haven't turned into a hurricane. Often dead-last among the nine contenders in national polls, such as a Washington Post/ABC poll released this week, Kucinich also has not yet succeeded in recruiting the support of many activists who agree with him on issues. He was an early opponent of war against Iraq and played the lead role in organizing 126 House members to vote against authorizing Bush to wage war. But Gov. Howard Dean and even Gen. Wesley Clark, both of whom have been somewhat less consistent war critics, have mainly benefited from Democratic antiwar sentiment. It has also been Dean, not Kucinich, despite Kucinich's closer ties to progressive movements, who has sparked a popular uprising so far with his campaign.

"It's fair to say progressives haven't consolidated around Dennis," acknowledged Kucinich campaign consultant Steve Cobble, who argued that the party's fractious left has rarely consolidated around any candidate, especially this early. Judged on the issues alone, Kucinich can convincingly lay claim to being the most authentic progressive standard-bearer in the race. Besides his hallmark opposition to the war, the PATRIOT Act and continued U.S. presence and military spending in Iraq, Kucinich has argued for single-payer universal health insurance (an expanded "Medicare for all"), vowed to withdraw from NAFTA and the World Trade Organization, pledged to cut military spending to fund education (starting with universal pre-kindergarten classes), and proposed rebuilding the manufacturing sector and using government research to create new high-tech industries. He promises to promote labor unions, break up corporate monopolies, fight privatization of government, and stimulate the economy with new public investment in roads, bridges and new energy systems.

But the liberal wing of the party wants something more, or at least different. "Dennis is a working-class hero," one labor leader said as he left a meeting to endorse Rep. Dick Gephardt. "I'm a huge Dennis Kucinich fan, but Dennis is an issues candidate." And this year a yearning for pragmatism dominates even among the more ideological activists -- even when what passes for hard-headed realism is often a finger-in-the-wind hunch about a candidate's so-called electability.

Kucinich's gut working-class sympathies and resistance to corporate power have brought him both political success and ruin. As a young mayor of Cleveland in the late 1970s he fought against the local banks and corporate elite that tried to force him to sell the city's municipal electrical system. The city was plunged into bankruptcy when Kucinich refused, which precipitated his defeat in the next election. After spending years in the political wilderness, Kucinich was eventually lauded as a hometown hero for saving Muny Light. He then upset Republican incumbents in "Reagan Democrat" districts on his way to a comeback in politics. Now in Congress he is the leader of the Progressive Caucus, and back home a leader in community and labor battles, such as saving both a local hospital and a steel mill from closing.

Yet Kucinich's low poll numbers reflect misgivings about the candidate and his political style, his failures to match Dean's grass-roots organizing, and a desperate desire among progressives to pick someone who seems likely to beat Bush. He seems trapped in the gap between ideological enthusiasm and political realism. He gets warm responses at diverse gatherings, from labor union conferences to meetings of yoga enthusiasts, vegans, animal rights activists and various New Age believers. When 2,000 sophisticated Democratic activists gathered last June for the progressive Campaign for America's Future's "Take Back America" conference, Kucinich "got by far the best response of anyone," said co-director Roger Hickey. "He was practically carried out of the hall on people's shoulders. If the people in that room voted their heart, most of them would be with Dennis. On the other hand, very few in that room saw him as a realistic nominee."

That's a recurring theme. "You get a lot of this, 'If I thought he could win, I'd vote for him,'" said Iowa Federation of Labor president Mark Smith. "I say if enough of you who think that way voted for him, he could win, but there's no traction in the polls. No traction. That's the brutal truth." Jeff Blum, executive director of U.S. Action, a national coalition of community and statewide citizen groups, said, "It's a fairly simple calculation people are making, that George Bush and his administration are so destructive to what this country is built on, back to the New Deal and the Progressive movement, that people are ranking winnability higher than they would have otherwise."

Kucinich, whose campaign won praise from Ralph Nader, has attracted Green Party leaders, some of whom have registered as Democrats to vote for him. "I love Dennis," said Medea Benjamin, founding director of Global Exchange, a San Francisco antiwar, anti-globalization group, and Green candidate in California for Senate in 2000. "He's so genuine, I wonder how he survives in Congress. He's one of the few people in Congress who understands, appreciates and works with activists ... But then it hits the reality. Dean has much more momentum. For some strange reason, he's been labeled 'electable' and Kucinich is labeled not electable, and these things have become almost self-fulfilling prophecy. Word gets out that Dennis' ears are too big or clothes don't fit, and people say I better put my bet on a winner and defect to the Dean campaign."

Soren Ambrose, policy analyst at 50 Years Is Enough, a Washington group critical of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, urged Kucinich to run last January to give voice to antiwar sentiments. "It was not that I perceived Kucinich would be president in a year and a half, but that we needed to change the center of political debate in the country," Ambrose said. But many antiwar and global justice movement activists who might seem likely ground troops for Kucinich's campaign are not interested in electoral politics, Ambrose noted.

"I am a supporter," he said. "If I could get bumper stickers, they'd be on my car. But right now as a national candidate for national office he has yet to find the right combination of message and style to make it stick." He needs to be "less shrill," Ambrose said, echoing a common observation that Kucinich often gets overly excited -- as if he's "on speed," some say (the clean-living Democrat is not) -- and combative when speaking, falling short of people's presidential expectations of authoritative demeanor and personal gravitas.

"Rather than coming across as a statesman for the progressive movement, he has come across more as a critic," argues TransAfrica Forum president Bill Fletcher, who adds that the campaign has also seemed "relatively weak on racial justice."

Kucinich clearly is not a cool, Clintonesque political figure. His speeches, all of which he writes, are artful throwbacks to a grand age of political oratory that inspire some but seem overwrought to others. He's a pre-ironic figure who takes both ideas and people seriously. While he has a sense of humor and playfulness (which can veer off into the unexpected as he breaks into a chorus of "Sixteen Tons" in the middle of a union speech), he rarely matches the quick wit that Sharpton demonstrates. Given their devotion to ideas, it clearly pains many progressives to discount Kucinich's campaign for personal qualities, but privately many comment that he doesn't look or sound presidential enough. "Maybe it's a question of charisma rather than substance," one activist said. "I wouldn't want to be quoted that Dennis is not the ideal national candidate, but I wouldn't deny it."

Then there's Kucinich's flirtations with New Age gurus and some policy proposals, like a Department of Peace, that strike many hardcore political types as intolerably flaky. "It pains me to say it, but Dennis needs to reach beyond the converted," Ambrose said. "He sounds a little out there and doesn't realize he's out there ... The Department of Peace idea I find the kind of thing guaranteed to keep you marginalized." One liberal union strategist argued that Kucinich's strong positions -- from single-payer health insurance to canceling NAFTA -- make him seem "unrealistic" and hard to take seriously. "I think that the Democratic left is a lot broader than Dennis Kucinich's left," she said.

But Kucinich campaign advisor Jeff Cohen, founder of FAIR (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting) and a TV producer/commentator, insists that many supporters of Dean, Dick Gephardt, John Kerry and others prefer Kucinich but have doubts about his campaign. "If all of these people who are saying Kucinich is best, I like him on the issues, but -- fill in the blank -- if they quit letting the media impose assumptions that might not be true and went out and worked for Kucinich, you'd have a social movement on your hands." Cohen argues that the media, with a bias favoring free-trade policies and a lack of sympathy for the labor and peace movements with which Kucinich identifies, have not taken Kucinich seriously.

Campaign strategists see Kucinich trapped in a vicious and reinforcing circle of limited coverage, low name recognition, difficulty raising money, and low poll numbers. "If we don't raise money, we don't get press," Cobble said. "The press starts with the presumption that the liberal candidate won't win." But they rightly see the field as extremely unsettled, with no clear leader, and they claim that there are signs that Kucinich could break out. Fundraising was up for the quarter (though Kucinich's $1.65 million pales in comparison to Dean's $14.8 million), and the relaunch drew some good crowds, including 2,000 at a rally in Minneapolis.

Though he gets little press coverage, Kucinich arguably has pushed the rest of the Democratic field to be more critical of the war in Iraq and more supportive of fair trade rules. After Kucinich came out strongly against Bush's request for $87 billion more for the occupation and reconstruction in Iraq, both Kerry and John Edwards also shifted into the opposition camp. For some supporters, it's worth having Kucinich in the race simply to set a higher standard for what counts as progressive. "It's real important for Dennis to be in the race because of what he does to the other candidates," argues Iowa Public Policy project director David Osterberg. "Somebody needs to say that's where we ought to be, even if it takes a couple of elections to get there."

Kucinich also is developing a growing band of volunteers, but they're not always the typical enthusiastic college student or recent graduate. For example, Sue West, a 52-year-old United Auto Workers member from a factory in Rockford, Ill., and Margie Jessup, a 64-year-old computer programmer from Milton, Wis., devoted their summer vacation working together in Iowa for Kucinich. West liked Kucinich's antiwar stance, but she was also impressed when he joined her and fellow workers on their picket line last summer after their employer locked them out in a contract dispute. "I don't think there's one issue I don't agree with him on," West said. "I know he has a chance to win against Bush. He's so different. How can these other candidates win against Bush when they voted with him half the time?"

Back home in Cleveland, where he announced his candidacy to a city council room full of appreciative supporters, Kucinich seems salt of the earth, not flake of the month. "We love Dennis," said Cleveland Federation of Labor president John Ryan, who has worked closely with Kucinich for many years and sees his compassion, optimism and dogged determination as rooted in his hardscrabble family origins. "He calls me all the time with advice, suggestions, talking about how we should be involved in this or that issue. He is a wonderful set of eyes for working people. I can't say enough about him." He dismisses the idea that Kucinich is any less electable than the other candidates. "If anyone can end up being a contender in three or four months," Ryan said, "it's this guy," who can organize grass-roots efforts on the cheap and, with expectations so low, get a boost from even a middling early performance.

Kucinich argues that he can best beat Bush because he strikes the greatest contrast. But it's difficult for a progressive presidential candidate to go beyond ground prepared by popular political movements. The increasingly robust labor, global justice and antiwar movements have helped to make it politically popular, even necessary, for Democrats to be more supportive of unions, critical of free-trade agreements, and skeptical about the war than the centrists of the Democratic Leadership Council might like. Even if Kucinich were a stylistically stronger messenger with a better-organized and richer campaign, there are limits to how much a presidential candidate can reshape public opinion without popular movements having first laid the groundwork.

Posted by Danny T @ 12/27/2003 09:26 PM EST

The two action items that need to be hit head on quickly are eliminating the Patriot Act 2 and getting them to count our friggin votes.

It is a mistake, though to think that it takes the "right" politician to get rid of either.

This is a case where we need to act extremely locally. Group together to get rid of the Patriot Act 2 and ensure legitimate voting in your little corner of the country.

Write a letter to your local community paper. Freeway and money blog. Convince your friends and neighbors and then get them to do the same. Protest in the streets. Organize a constitutional challenge.

These two issues are BS and shouldn't require the "right" President.

These aren't conspiracy theory issues. Tell a parent that lost a kid in Iraq that the arms contractors are fighting an auditable vote and see what they have to say about it.


Follow this path and little local pockets of democracy will spring up in the post 911 police state.

Posted by sammy @ 12/27/2003 10:33 PM EST

The mad rush to install unverifiable computer voting is driven by the Help America Vote Act, signed by Bush last year. The chief lobbying group pushing for the act was a consortium of arms dealers -- those disinterested corporate citizens -- including Northop-Grumman and Lockheed-Martin. The bill also mandates that all states adopt the computerized "ineligible voter purge" system that Jeb used to eliminate 91,000 eligible black voters from the Florida rolls in 2000. The Republican-run private company that accomplished this electoral miracle, ChoicePoint, is bagging the lion's share of the new Bush-ordered purge contracts.

Posted by sammy @ 12/27/2003 10:38 PM EST

Is anyone else a bit suspicious of the earthquake in Iran? Could this have been caused by HAARP? The only link I've read is http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/tectonic_weapons.html. They're letting aid workers in without visas. Could this be a way to get spooks in there to assassinate anyone aiding insurgents in Iraq? I hope this is just a paranoid thought.

Posted by Artemesia @ 12/28/2003 02:16 AM EST

This is to Sammy,I agree 100% with you should not have to have "the right president"to get rid of the Patriot Act.We have less than 11 months to get rid of the Bush Criminal enterprise.It does help to have an Honest Pres in the Whitehouse though and Bush,Clark(a republican pretending to be a democrat,Kerry(skull and bones brother)or Lets give more money to the Jews Leiberman.TrueMajority lets you use their site to send emails to your elected lol officials,informing you by e-mail alerts as to which way your local politician is leaning towards voting.If anything worries these scum,it is not getting votes.Even if you don't vote,tell them you supported them the last ten years and if they don't vote the way you and your friends want,they can forget about your support from now on.It works better if you don't get nasty and act sincere.
I took my email address off this letter because if you wrote them a letter with my links it would show up as a letter from me,but the links I replaced them with should get you where you need to go.

The Threat From Computerized Voting Machines
Dear Daniel,

I am writing to you as a fellow member of TrueMajority to ask for your help in preventing a scandal that could shake our nation to the roots of our democratic principles. Please take a moment to send a free fax to your Representative in Congress, and then to pass this letter on to your friends and family in the hope that they will help too.

We start with a principle so obvious it seems strange even to write it: For a democracy to work, the people must believe that balloting is conducted fairly and votes are counted accurately. Americans feel justifiable pride that our nation has created a system to ensure this, including provisions for recounts.

In the wake of the punch card voting mess in Florida, the federal government dedicated billions of dollars to help states purchase new voting machines. Some pioneering states have begun purchasing a new type of touch screen computerized voting machine. These machines register votes on a memory chip and then digitally transmit the results via telephone modem to election headquarters.

We can only hope that neither glitches nor tampering will change or erase any of our votes. We all know that computers sometimes crash and lose data. Power cords get pulled out of the wall. And what better trophy for a hacker--or over zealous campaign worker--than to skew the outcome of the actual election?

There is a simple solution to these problems. The California Secretary of State has ordered that these new computerized voting machines print out a paper copy of your vote for your approval before the vote is registered. These printouts would then be saved in case the machines malfunction or there is any question as to whether or not they have been tampered with. Without them we would just have to trust the companies that make the machines--companies like Diebold whose CEO, Walden W. O'Dell, recently wrote in a fundraising letter for the Republicans, "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President next year."

Without a paper trail, there is no way to reliably validate an election or conduct a reliable recount. It's that simple.

If you are a member of TrueMajority, to send a fax (text below) to your Representative urging him or her to support voting machines across the country that we can trust, just reply to this email by clicking "Reply" and then "Send" in your email program. If you are not currently registered with TrueMajority, or would like to customize your message, click here:

Letters to the editor are another powerful way to influence your Congressmembers. This feature uses state-of-the-art technology to make it really easy for you to send a letter to the editor. Click here to give it a try:


TrueMajority is working on this important issue with some of our partners, including Working Assets, The Electronic Frontier Foundation, and MoveOn.org. The California Voter Foundation has lots of great links to these groups and news articles about this problem. You can find them here:


The New York Times also did a great editorial on this issue. You can find it here:


So please take a moment to protect your right--our right--to make sure every vote is counted and every election is fair.

Thanks for your help,

Martin Sheen


Here is the letter that TrueMajority will fax to your Member of Congress:

Dear Representative:

The bedrock upon which any democracy is built is confidence that elections are free, fair and accurate. Yet companies such as Diebold are selling machines that leave no tangible evidence of a person's vote. We all know that computers sometimes crash and data is lost, yet the companies selling these machines refuse to let election officials inspect the inner workings of the machines or software.

Please support legislation that would simply require that I as a voter be able to approve a paper copy of my choices before they are registered in the computer. These anonymous paper copies can then be saved. If there is ever a question about the intent of the voters the paper ballots can be checked and both voters and candidates can be confident in the outcome.

I urge you to support this simple measure that can prevent a real crisis in our democracy.

(We will insert your name and address here.)

I could really get into this and I think something else needs to be read,but I am posting on here to much so I will link it.


As for HAARP,I think that is a bullshit story and I doubt there are insurgents in IRAQ.
The one thing no one has even bothered to say is the war was never declared over,no seize fire or anything.The people of Iraq are still at war that we declared on them.Did they or did we surrender?NO,so they are patriots defending their own country.Insurgents means civilians to Rumsfeld.

Posted by Danny T @ 12/28/2003 02:54 AM EST

Isn't the speculation about HAARP is that it's a weather altering device, not something that effects plate tectonics?. I'm sure the Quake was totally natural, but no doubt certain Americans will try to take some advantage out of it.

Posted by Ricardo @ 12/28/2003 03:15 AM EST

The entire country of India knows that the Bush Crime Family planned, concocted, and orchestrated the horrendous and UNCIVILIZED terror attacks of 9/11/2001. That's one billion people that know for sure. Probably the only people on the planet that don't know yet are the (90%) of the 300 Million (brainwashed) Americans.

Posted by gaurav @ 12/28/2003 04:18 AM EST

A lot of what has been said after my post has some very valid points but there is one thing that just doesn't make sense and that's the religion part of it all, sure join together be one with god what ever but you can rest assured that bush and his new world order cronies won't be doin this. What is needed is more real world solutions first of all you need to build popular support for the movement and to be honest people are only going 2 be half hearted in their efforts whilst gas is cheap and they can still buy their made in china labeled products, the best way to slow down and eventually stop the nwo machine is to take away that which makes it powerfull its money wheter you like it or not your buying of consumer products makes the elites stronger you need to vote with your money stop buying elitist owned products get your boss to pay you in cash do under the table work the more money that stays out of their hands the more powerfull your postition is (also good to avoid those suspected terrorist funding bank account freezes), invest your money over seas, in china, india russia the middle east, nations that aren't 100% exploited by the elite, I don't like to have to saythis but real economic hardship for america is really the only way for the average man on the street is going to rise up and insitute a trully representitive government, comfortable lifes make people content with what they have and therefore see no real need to change thier status Quo, As for john galt its too soon for armed revolution martial law needs to come first in a sick sort of way to make people realise whats going on and what they have to do, sure try a peacefull revolution i'm all for that but then again i was one of the millions of people that protested around the world on feb 15 and know first hand that democracy doesn't work any more. If you really want to start the revolution now your best bet is graffiti on water towers and the like, spread the truth i you see a live cnn broadcast interupt it get your 15 seconds of fame post leaflets with websites with the real story on them, who knows we might get lucky. As for a 120 acre base revolution base in Canada we don't need another waco to kill of good informed people. There is no point taking on the nwo on a diveded religous front, thats the age old tactic of divide and conquer playing right in to their hands sure when we win go worship your gods beliefs or go home and read porn what ever does it for you, People it really is as simple as united we stand divided we fall, we all have the same goal here and thats to take back our freedoms and make this world a better place, squabbling on irrelevant differences achieves nothing.

Posted by Seth @ 12/28/2003 07:34 AM EST

In a February, 1912 interview, in the publication, "The World Today" Nikola Tesla said that it would be possible to split the planet by combining vibrations with the correct resonance of the earth itself:

"Within a few weeks, I could set the earth's crust into such a state of vibrations that it would rise and fall hundreds of feet, throwing rivers out of their beds, wrecking buildings and practically destroying civilization."

The article, "Tesla's Controlled Earthquakes" (July 11, 1935 New York American) stated: Tesla's "experiments in transmitting mechanical vibrations through the earth -- called by him 'the art of telegeodynamics' were roughly described by the scientist as a sort of 'controlled earthquake.'

He stated: "The rythmical vibrations pass through the earth with almost no loss of energy. It becomes possible to convey mechanical effects to the greatest terrestrial distances and produce all kinds of unique effects. The invention could be used with destructive effect in war..."

In January, 1978, Dr. Andrija Puharich, M.D., LL.D. issued a detailed research paper titled, "GLOBAL MAGNETIC WARFARE -- A Layman's Viet of Certain Artificially Induced Effects on Planet Earth during 1976 and 1977." Describing early Soviet work with Tesla's method of "controlled earthquakes," he stated: "Of the many great earthquakes of 1976, there is one that demands special attention -- the July 28, 1976 Tangshan, China earthquake." Puharich's analysis is significant because it describes airglow plasma effects created by the Soviet Woodpecker system. Ionosphere heating ELF systems, like HAARP, can generate similar effects.

He stated: "The reason that this 1976 earthquake attracted my attention is that it was preceeded by a light flare-up of the entire sky over Tangshan. Also, this earthquake occurred during the first month of Soviet Woodpecker radio emmissions...The most prominent effect was that when the Soviet Woodpecker emission was on at full strength -- the sky would light up like an ionized gaslamp -- just as Tesla had predicted."

The 6/5/77 New York Times described the great earthquake, which destroyed Tangshan, and killed over 650,000 people: "Just before the first tremor at 3:42am, the sky lit up like daylight. The multi-hued lights, mainly white and red, were seen up to 200 miles away. Leaves on many trees were burned to a crisp and growing vegetables were scorched on one side, as if by a fireball."

These electrical effects are tied to electromagnetic plasma and ball lightning and the strange array of flashes which results from Tesla-style and HAARP-like transmissions. As part of the secret 1974 Vladivostok US-Soviet artificial global-warming agreement, the US began 30 Hz ELF transmissions from a site in the Pacific northwest in Washington. Coincidentally with the increase in Soviet and US ELF transmissions during 1980, was a sharp increase in earthquakes around the world. The 1/30/81 Washington Post reported: "The world sustained 71 significant earthquakes during 1980, up from 56 the previous year, and the world death toll climbed to 7140, 5 times the 1979 figure, the USGS said."

On September 12, 1989, sensors called magnetometers, (at Corralitos, near Monterrey Bay, California) detected unusual ULF (between 0.01 Hz and 10 Hz -- the lowest ELF frequencies) radio signals, "which grew 30 times stronger October 5, and then weakened somewhat. At 2:00pm on October 17, the signals grew so strong that they went off of the sensor's scales. Three hours later, the San Francisco Bay area shook violently as the magnitude 7.1 Loma Prieta earthquake killed more than 60 people and injured 3800 others. The catastrophic January 17, 1994 Los Angeles earth- quake was also preceded by mysterious radio signals. Some observers in Los Angeles reported hearing two loud "sonic booms" (which are typical symptoms of Soviet Tesla weapons usage) immediately before the earthquake.

That strange underground hum in the western US beginning to make a little more sense now?

Typical earthquakes occur no deeper than 20 to 25 kilometers. A very rare deep quake just took place. The 6/18/94 Science News reported that on June 8th, 'a magnitude 8.2 quake emanated from 600 kilometers below Bolivia, punching the planet hard enough to send it ringing like a bell. The quake was felt in much of North America, even as far away as Seattle -- a fact that has puzzled geophysicists. "This is the first time we know of that a quake in that part of South America was felt in North America,' says Bruce W. Presgrave of the National Earthquake Information Center."

Posted by Earthquake Weapons @ 12/28/2003 08:21 AM EST

"An electromagnetic signal of certain frequencies can be transmitted through the earth which, when introduced into the earth at certain multiples of 30 degrees, will form standing waves in the earth itself. In certain incidence angle cases, the standing wave also induces a strange phenomenon: coherence to the standing wave is formed in the molten core of the earth itself, and a tiny fraction of the vast, surging electromagnetic currents of the liquid core begin to feed into and augment the induced standing wave.

"At this point, one has established a sort of giant triode: the inducing signal one is putting into the earth is the grid signal, and the vast energy in the molten core of the earth is the cathode and power supply. The established coherence serves as an amplification factor for the grid signal, and much more energy is now present in the standing wave than the miniscule amount being fed in from the earth's surface. By interferometer type techniques, multiple 'giant resonance' waves of this type can be combined so that a 'beam' or focused effect of very great energy exists inside the earth.

"Depending on the frequency, focusing, wave shape, etc. one can ...induce a variety of effects such as earthquakes, induced at a distant aiming point, severe disturbances in the middle and upper atmosphere over the target area...and anomalous weather effects. This is called the Tesla effect."

Posted by Earthquake Weapons @ 12/28/2003 08:30 AM EST

To Danny T - I've been posting on this site for quite some time, and I've never experienced any never had any negative feedback from Vox or anyone else, I'm sure if Vox didn't like something he would speak up for himself, as I've seen him do on numerous occassions. You seem to very judgmental of what others have to say, and seem to only posting comments to prove how much you think you know. Fuck You Danny T, and I am not intimidated by you at all. You are the one who needs to take a real good look at yourself, and why you can't find anything to do but post negative comments about others postings that you don't agree with. If you don't agree fine, every one is entitled to their own opinion and if you don't like it than Fuck Off! Whatever I post on this site does not require your respect so whether you do or not means nothing. All the energy you're wasting posting message after message ridiculing other people, find soemthing to do personally and publically to help this site and what it stands for.

Posted by MS (A Light Worker) @ 12/28/2003 10:15 AM EST

To All: Where did I state that I advocated violence? I said that "I will not rest until the evil, zionist, new world scum are put in their rightful place - SIX FEET UNDER". Surely they will die of natural causes before this struggle has been won. Here's a link to an essay by John Kaminski I found on WRH.Seems that he agrees with me that REVOLUTION IS THE ONLY SOLUTION.


Brief enough for you nicky

Posted by john galt @ 12/28/2003 11:00 AM EST

Nic: As you can plainly see, brevity is not my strong suit. I forgot your question mark. Here you go. ?

Posted by john galt @ 12/28/2003 11:09 AM EST

Thanks for reposting my post John Galt,9 posts in front of yours."Our loyalties must be assured through having committed prosecutable crimes in the name of freedom" Look up RICO act,I am not wasting my time doing it for you,but I am sure you know it by heart.Besides,I thought you gave up this site FED-"so to speak" Didn't think no one would pick up on that one did you?

"I am not intimidated by you at all"I am not trying to intimidate you,I am trying to get you to stop posting about fuckin highly intelligent (but cold hearted) reptilian visitors to our planet known collectively, as the Annunaki (or more commonly as Dragons.The more links you link to this site,the more the search engines pick them up.After enough links,when someone punches Annunaki or lizyrd people,VOX's site will pop up on the search engine....Thats really going to make Vox's site look creditable.

This is one of Sammys posts,and no I do not know him and I am not him.

You can see Vox is getting under the Bush's skin by the sudden increase in asshole postings.

They seem to have given up on trying to taint the threads with the anti-christ, UFO's and lizard government agents and are now trying to intimidate him with fear.

Even CNN is saying that the FBI is tracking "extreme elements" in the peace movement. I'll tell you what, nothing is extreme about wanting peace. And if the "extreme element" does nothing other than type at his computer, a constitutionally protected activity, then I have a problem that an FBI agent would knowingly follow this anti constitutional order.

The Bush's know that a sizeable fraction of the population knows they attacked us on 911 so they could follow their imperialistic oil ambitions.

I'd say Bushy is running scared. The smirk is gone and his forehead beads with sweat now.

Sites like this is working.

Once we've taken back the media, we need to get rid of the Diebold machines and the Patriot Act II.

You can tell Diebold's investor relations that you want a vote count that is auditable here.


I find investor relations departments are much more responsive than customer service departments.

Posted by sammy @ 11/23/2003 11:00 AM EST

MS---The Great Convergence of the Three Jewels
The infinite spirit I am. The spirit I am lies deep within the heart of anything you can point to. Her body is a crystal light network of vibrating frequencies, vibrating as one. And we dance as one under the one giver of movement and measure. Hunab Ku. The Great Convervegence of the Three Jewels is a collectively synchronized unification of galactic, solar, and planetary levels of consciousness. The Great Convergence marks the attainment of critical mass within human consciousness, thus effectively triggering the human collective imagination as an extension of planetary consciousness within the context of a galactic communitiy.


Bush is already TOAST, and unfortunately, i don't see how we can avoid having AMERICA flushed down the tubes with him. The combined factors of a shift toward Euro global researve currency; PEAK OIL AND GAS; biological 'attacks' on American citizens; nuclear war against defenseless countries; rigged electronic voting machines; and an overal global leadership consisting of psychopaths and rapists, the future of AMERICA as we know it today is very bleak indead.

I'd venture to say that this meltdown of the current system would prove to be an amazing positive change for all humans and the entire EARTH. I don't want to misunderstood as 'anti-america', in fact, i feel very strongly about the principles on which this democracy was founded. But the sad truth is that our country was sold out ONE HUNDRED YEARS ago when the international bankers institutionalized the FED. Even today, the so-called leaders of America wrap themselves in the flag while they openly act in ways which are diametricly opposite to the true interests of AMERICA (ie. freedom/peace/proserity).

So the situation today is such that fascists like BUSH and CHENEY have bought their way into power, only to bankrupt and loot the true wealth of America. Calling these pigs 'NAZIS' is a compliment. What they actually have planed for you and your family would make HILTER's escapes in mass murder seem pale in comparison. However, like i said, i strongly feel that the outcome of this situation will prove to be EXTREMELY POSITIVE, not in some distant century but within a decade. THIS IS NOT A TEST. THIS IS THE END OF HISTORY AND HUMAN CIVILIZATION AS WE KNOW IT. educate yoursleves about what it will mean to be living in the post-industrial era after the peak of oil and gas production, which is occuring RIGHT NOW.

good luck to you voxfux, and stay clear of any trouble. you are an incredible asset to the entire human species. To all the humans, plants, animals, as well as other-dimensional being which call Earth home, NOW is the time to unify our collective mind so that we will be able to harmonize with the current transformations of the Galactic/Solar/Planetary fields of reality. SURF'S UP!!!




Posted by bX @ 11/23/2003 07:10 PM EST
This is not one of your posts either,I assume.

Posted by Danny T @ 12/28/2003 12:01 PM EST

Good post Earthquake weapons

and to Artemesia, the same thing crossed my mind as well.

dont ya love how israel offered to send help (of course the offer was rejected)

Posted by chester @ 12/28/2003 12:03 PM EST

Vox-Please deleate my 4 links to gaianxaos in my above post.By trying to prove a point,I helped link those stupid sites.Thanx and sorry.

Posted by Danny T @ 12/28/2003 12:17 PM EST

What the heck-RICO ACT
To establish liability under any subsection of section 1962, a plaintiff must allege the existence of an enterprise. As noted above, an enterprise may be an illegitimate enterprise, such as a Mafia family, or a wholly legitimate enterprise, such as a corporation. United States v. Turkette, 452 U.S. 576, 580-81 (1981). Although an enterprise can be a legal entity, such as a partnership, corporation or association, it can also be an individual or simply a relatively loose-knit group people or legal entities. These latter groups are referred to as "association-in-fact" enterprises under the statute. 18 U.S.C. § 1961(4).

Association-in-fact enterprises are probably the must useful and abundant forms of RICO enterprises, but they are also the most difficult to grasp on an analytical level. When Congress passed the RICO Act, the phrase "association-in-fact" enterprise was probably intended to apply directly to the Mafia, because a Mafia family is not a formal legal entity nor is it an individual, rather it is a "union or group of individuals associated in fact although not a legal entity." Id. Corporate parents and their subsidiaries allegedly engaged in criminal activities have also been named as association-in-fact enterprises. Most courts will accept any informal group as an association-in-fact enterprise so long as the group possesses three characteristics: (a) some continuity of structure and personnel; (b) a common or shared purpose; and (c) an ascertainable structure distinct from that inherent in the pattern of racketeering. Diamonds Plus, Inc. v. Kolber, 960 F.2d 765, 769 (8th Cir. 1992).

Continuity of structure and personnel means that you cannot have a group whose membership is constantly in a state of flux. There must be something more than a fleeting consistency with regard to the number of group members and the identity of the group members.

Posted by Danny T @ 12/28/2003 12:36 PM EST

Hey MS(a light worker)
I guess all you care about is yourself if you say you only use a cell phone when you have to. What about all those cell phone towers out there filling the air with dangerous radiowaves.Anyone using a cellphone at all is part of the whole problem. It's dangerous technology until proven benign (and that will probably never happen.)

Posted by enlightened @ 12/28/2003 06:50 PM EST

The Bureau of Transportation Statistics keeps track of plane departure times.

According to this site, only two of the 911 hijacked planes ever existed.

The one that hit the Pentagon and the one that hit the first WTC aren't listed.

Scroll 3/4 down to see.


Posted by sammy @ 12/28/2003 08:27 PM EST

Did anyone hear what happened to the Governor or ex Governor turned senator(I think)of S.D.who ran a stop sign going 77 mph in a 60 mph zone,killing a 55 y/o ex vet and fireman who was on a motorcycle ride with one of his friends.He had been busted speeding many times causing at least 6 accidents that I read about and was known for bragging about his speeding.He tried to beat the charge with the Twinkie defense,saying he was diabetic and his blood sugar disoriented him.When the medics arrived at the accident and ask how he was he said fine.(I guess the low blood thing was an after thought buy his lawyers).He was found guilty a few weeks ago (Much to his surprise) but was not sentenced yet.I just wondered if anyone heard if he got sentenced yet,and what it was.They will probably suspend his license,fine him 500.00 and give him 30 days unsupervised probation.
We all need to DEMAND equal justice for the rich as the poor.

pigs gone bad.


Posted by Danny T @ 12/29/2003 01:18 AM EST

Here's a link from Prison Planet regarding the Iran earthquake and HAARP. http://www.prisonplanet.com/122703iranearthquake.html

Posted by Artemesia @ 12/29/2003 01:49 AM EST

"In a February, 1912 interview, in the publication, "The World Today" Nikola Tesla said that it would be possible to split the planet by combining vibrations with the correct resonance of the earth itself: "Within a few weeks, I could set the earth's crust into such a state of vibrations that it would rise and fall hundreds of feet, throwing rivers out of their beds, wrecking buildings and practically destroying civilization."

By posting such garbage, a poster only proves they have no understanding of physics whatsoever. There's this little problem of conservation of energy, see -- i.e. energy out can never exceed energy in -- i.e. such a weapon may actually be theoretically possible, but to produce effects of this magnitude it would have to be hooked up to every power plant on earth simultaneously -- i.e. no fucking way is this how the quake in Iran was produced.

"An electromagnetic signal of certain frequencies can be transmitted through the earth which, when introduced into the earth at certain multiples of 30 degrees, will form standing waves in the earth itself. In certain incidence angle cases, the standing wave also induces a strange phenomenon: coherence to the standing wave is formed in the molten core of the earth itself, and a tiny fraction of the vast, surging electromagnetic currents of the liquid core begin to feed into and augment the induced standing wave."

This is just incredible horseshit. There is NO electromagnetic radiation capable of penetrating this far into the solid earth. Neutrinos, maybe, but neutrinos are subatomic particles, not electromagnetic radiation.

Just because somebody can toss golly-gee words around doesn't mean they aren't totally full of shit. When you fall for this crap and drag it onto this site, you discredit yourself, voxfux, and the entire dissident community.

Physics -- it ain't just "book knowledge"

Posted by Oh brother @ 12/29/2003 02:51 AM EST

Voxfux didnt fall for/and or drag that Tesla/Electromagnetic stuff onto his site. Some fellow has posted it. People can post anything here. What are you on about 'Oh brother'?

Posted by Ricardo @ 12/29/2003 03:24 AM EST

Sorry 'Oh brother'I didn't notice that comma between 'yourself' and 'voxfux' and made the wrong inference. I see what you mean now. *headbutts wall* Can you believe I'm minoring in English? :)

Posted by Ricardo @ 12/29/2003 03:29 AM EST

jury nullification.

Posted by ruby waco @ 12/29/2003 08:00 AM EST


re; camel reference.

'It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a RICH man to enter the kingdom of heaven'

Jesus made that observation.

Posted by Beat It, Big Shot @ 12/29/2003 08:15 AM EST

Oh brother, where did you come from? Me thinks you don't like that the world knows about the "earthquake weapons". It's hard to keep a secret on the internet.

1. "Energy out can never exceed energy in." Just like the energy in a fire can never exceed the energy in the match that started it. Dufus.

2. "Nothing can penetrate to the core." How the fuck do you think your compass works? The electromagnetic field comes from the core. Same with the bulk of the earth's gravity which keeps textbook believers like you pasted to the earth's surface.

Eastlund attempted to patent this technology, based on Nikolai Tesla's work and the military militarized it (google HAARP).

Tesla may have been posturing in the quote - he was frustrated that he was cut off from funding and notoriety, but his inventions are slowly coming to pass. He invented AC and radio.

Try thinking of the earth as a capacitor - too charged plates (surface, ionosphere) separated by an insulator (air). If you can tap into the energy in the core, the potential is scary.

"Any technology indistinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."

Posted by sammy @ 12/29/2003 10:25 AM EST

It's been roughly a century since Tesla experimented in Colorado Springs, coming across a global Tesla effect, with resonance in the Earth's electromagnetic field. Tesla's work is STILL beyond our understandings of electromagnetism today, and many of his exhibitions in the 19th century STILL cannot be duplicated by our greatest physicists in the 21st century. Many mid-20th century pioneers in electronics were baffled when they were unable to patent their advances in the field, because such 'advances' had already been covered by Tesla's basic patents in Robotry, which he coined the terms 'teleautomation', 'teleautomatics', or 'teleautomatons' for.

The Elitists may however just be keeping further advances in technology to themselves, as they pillage and murder humanity.

Posted by Entangled Hierarchy @ 12/29/2003 11:22 AM EST

Ok one thing is for sure......Vox wants bush out. Well i got one question for you.....who would you put in? a democrat? Like bill clinton who blows up pharmacutical factroies that produce 50% of the countries medicine In a pathetic helpless country like sudan just so nobodys pays attention to his raping of peoples daughters?
Lets face it, it doesnt matter if its a democrat or a republican. All the presidents in the last 50 years have been puppets of the zionists and getting a democrat to be president wont help. If you ask me the only way we can save america now is to nuke israel then nuke the HQ of CIA and the FBI then nuke CNN, BBC, FOX then nuke Ted turners house(for establishing cnn and accepting huge bribes to let them bullshit on his network)and the tycoons' clubs(bushes cabinet) houses (2 nukes for Donalds mansion to destroy his 61 million dollar assets)then nuke hollywood for producing films to brainwash peopleoh and i almost forgot so vox gets hapy nuke bush's house (brilliant plan huh?)

Posted by curious @ 12/29/2003 12:38 PM EST

Transcript from department defense site re: earthquake weapons.


Other links:



Posted by sammy @ 12/29/2003 01:47 PM EST

To John Galt and his ilk, much as I sympathize with their frustration, Mao's philosophy and practice of guerilla war is predicated on systematic and widespread political education of the masses to ensure their support. Without that, the insurgent cannot move like a fish through the ocean of the people and the revolution will be defeated. The people are still very far from having the necessary political education. That's why Che failed in Bolivia.

Posted by Tom Paine @ 12/29/2003 02:57 PM EST

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