It is clear that CIA sponsored terrorism only has the intended effects on populations whose minds are controlled by CIA produced "news" such as is the case in America where the American's minds are completely controlled by the CIA produced, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX. It's the one-two punch. The CIA orchestrates the attacks and then they orchestrate the angry jingoistic nationalistic impassioned response. Yet even under such a tight clampdown on all forms of truth and free thought here is America, there are signs that mass numbers of Americans are no longer buying the CIA controlled story about this boogyman called "Al Queada" (which in itself is a documented operational arm of the CIA.) People are turning away in droves from the Major TV media and turning to alternative forms of media to get the real story about what is really happening to their world.

And why are they doing that? Could it be because Americans are now currently on the receiving end of the biggest fucking ever handed down to Americans by the billionaires who own America? Could it be because never in the history of America have the billionaires been so greedy and immoral and terroristic? Could it possibly be because they have stolen all there is to steal from the American people and we are reaching a breaking point? Can it be because these dying billionaire geezers on on their last crusade and are just so full of their own impending death that in their typical satanic soleless self, they wish to take as many of us down with them as possible? Could it be that the Neo-Cons, with their Zionist patsies, and their Council of Foreign Relations reptiles are perhaps the dumbest idiots ever on the face of the earth who's every single plan fails?

The answer is: ALL OF THE ABOVE.

Name one terrorist act of the Council of Foreign Relations which ever worked?
THE CFR thought that by attacking the twin towers they could steal the oil of Iraq - WELL THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
Pipelines? - good Luck!
Conquest of Eurasia? - fat fucking chance!

The Council of Foreign Relations IS THE WORLDS LEADING TERRORIST ORGANIZATION AND MUST BE DESTROYED! Not only because they plan and execute the attacks but because EVERY SINGLE PLAN THEY PRODUCE FUCKS UP AND FAILS. THEY ARE THE WORLDS BIGGEST FAILURES IN THE HISTORY OF FAILURES.

We would have better luck with some two bit islamic militants than with the CFR - because with all their stuffed shirts and pocket protectors these idiots have miscalculated one right after another and are destroying the republic.

The people of the world are waking up and resisting the terror from the United States, the CIA, the CFR, the Neo-cons, the Billionaires, the Bushes. The question is will the American people finally wake up and resist the attacks by the CIA and the Neo Cons before it is too late and they end up ruining the this great republic or will this awakening be crushed by the lying media and the people of America be brought into a dark dark police state shithole.

voxfux

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It doesn't look like there is going to be much change in America. They are simply now making laws that it is now ILLEGAL to criticize president Bush. Starting in June it will be illegal to criticize Bush in the media.

It this the Soviet Union or what?

Nice to see you back Vox.

Posted by Crusader Killer @ 03/16/2004 07:53 AM EST

It doesn't look like there is going to be much change in America. They are simply now making laws that it is now ILLEGAL to criticize president Bush. Starting in June it will be illegal to criticize Bush in the media.

It this the Soviet Union or what?

Nice to see you back Vox.

Posted by Crusader Killer @ 03/16/2004 07:55 AM EST

Long time no see Vox. Welcome back. It's nice to see the old Vox style telling the truth. As soon as the reports came in of the attack, I thought, looks like the CIA is at it again. It seems like they are just miscalculating every step they take. Yet their budget just keeps going up up up up and away. It's nice to know that we have a bunch of well paid elitist yuppies working for the CIA actively destroying America. Keep up the good work Agent Assholes!

Posted by Terrence @ 03/16/2004 08:13 AM EST

Yea they found a tape and some detonators in a van near the scene of the blast... nice try CIA.

That's like the perfectly intact passports found at the rubble of the World Trade Center within hours yet the black box and all other evidence was totally melted or never found.

They are getting desperate and very very stupid.

Posted by NWO @ 03/16/2004 09:14 AM EST

This website, and all of its content are really informative.

What I find odd about this "terrorist attack" is that it happened BEFORE and election day, and 911 days after 9-11. I fear that this will become a trend and there will be one in America before the elections, and it will be blamed on Osama who just magically appears into the US's hands.

Posted by Christopher Boe @ 03/16/2004 09:45 AM EST

This website, and all of its content are really informative.

What I find odd about this "terrorist attack" is that it happened BEFORE and election day, and 911 days after 9-11. I fear that this will become a trend and there will be one in America before the elections, and it will be blamed on Osama who just magically appears into the US's hands.

Posted by Christopher Boe @ 03/16/2004 09:48 AM EST

Nice to read new analysis from you Vox. I've been following your site for quite a while. BTW I heard your quick comment on Alex Jones and encourage you to follow up on his offer to bring you on the program. I agree that millions are boycotting the dominant media and relying on others for their analysis.
As for the Spanish 3-11 it has globalist written all over it. Which agents did they use is the only unknown. I suspect the MKUTRA just released from programming at gitmo or such. But I did hear the retired Colonel Donn Grand-Pre state on shortwave the othernight that he believed it was Mossad that performed the bombing for the banker elite. As for the Spanish people not being hoodwinked by their leaders perhaps the journalists in Portugal that were willing to publilsh Grand-Pre's paper on the 9-11 bombings being an inside job and the report that his paper was distributed by the Pentagon's Joint Chiefs of Staff indicates the Spaniards are not as brainwashed as most Americans.

Posted by Luna @ 03/16/2004 09:50 AM EST

While I do essentially concur with your analysis, I do still miss a look into the future, into what is yet to come from this horror.

IMHO Spain will NOT bring its troops home by June 30, despite affirmations by the newly elected Mr. Zapatero. Three months are a long time, and the USGOV will use this time to do everything in their power to give Mr. Zapatero a pretext to keep the spanish troops in Iraq. Would you (VoxFux or anybody else) care to comment on this ?

BTW, Joe Vialls has an interesting take on the Madrid Bombing. You will find it here

http://joevialls.altermedia.info/

it's the first story from the top.

Posted by Joseph M. Schmoe @ 03/16/2004 10:00 AM EST

Yeah... Spain's all better now... They "threw out" the "bad guys" and now they're under the "good guys." Before you get your panties in a twist, think about the following: 1) Kerry and Bush, supposedly on opposite teams, are virtually hand-in-hand... what makes you think that Spain's system is any different? 2) A popular election is meaningless... Don't believe it? Ask Mr. Bush. 3) Words that are spoken before and during an election are meaningless. Don't believe it? "Read-my-lips. No-new-taxes." Ring a bell?

Getting all worked up over this "event" is silly. Politicians are ALL corrupt. Find me a farmer, or a steel mill worker.. make THAT person the leader of a nation... then I'll believe that something "good" has been accomplished.

Posted by Cynic @ 03/16/2004 10:48 AM EST

Yo, VOX you can't spell for shit but I really love yer style. Hey, your site wasn't updated for a couple of weeks and I got to worrying that the NWO might have suicided you.

Zap-man will be pressured immensely to keep Spanish forces in the Coalition of the Supine, but while he could have an accident or something I don't see him backing down easily.

Now 'bout elections: John Kerry is not Jesus or Santa Claus or The Answer, but while we can't be too sure they'll actually COUNT the votes, if you live in those 18 Battleground States you'd better make the effort anyway. Bill Clinton was a slimeball, but wouldn't you take him back in a NY minute? I would.

Keep up the good work, Vox!

Posted by Dixie Lad @ 03/16/2004 12:28 PM EST

RE: Zap-man not backing down?

Answer: You have got to be kidding, right? "Read-my-lips. I'll bring our troops home." Yeah. I'm sure we can trust him to do what he said... after all, a politician wouldn't lie, would he???

RE: Taking Clinton Back?

Answer: Yeah. Clinton was a saint. Anyone remember Bosnia? How about Yugoslavia? How about Somalia?? Yep. Regular saint, that fellow... never sent ANY of our boys out to die for no particular reason... Nope. Not Bill.

No - ALL Politicians are corrupt. Period. They cannot be trusted, unless they are accountable, and they aren't accountable.

Posted by Cynic @ 03/16/2004 12:57 PM EST

Vox
Good take on the bombings in Spain. I smelled cheese at the moment the news of the bombing came to light. Just as I smelled cheese as the Twin Towers fell as if they were demolished. Any brain dead monkey would have to say to himself, or, herself. Who would benefit from such an attack, as the one carried out on the Spanish peoples?
Al Q did not come into my mind, rather CIA with the blessing of the Bu$h*t Junta!
I have to admit that the Spainiards can differentiate between Bu$h*t & Shinola. Unlike some of my fellow Americans who I have deemed as the Mushroom Nationals, (those who are kept in the dark, and thrive on massive quantities of Bu$h*t).

Paz, Vox.

Posted by Vish Varnay @ 03/16/2004 02:37 PM EST

the spanish got balls like coconuts---and i consider myself a proud part-spaniard---after having spent years in this wonderful magical country. other then the competely downdumbed average american---the spanish have a high degree of courage and historic awareness (franco fascism !)and will take no shit in the long run-----they raise hell ---and we all can only hope---that this brave spiritedness benefits the rest of our poor ravaged---manipulated planet... and:its time to raise hell! scumbag bush & his cohorts and paymasters are turning the whole world into an fascist industrial slave-gulag.... WAKE UP AMERICA--- wake up---you are deceived by monsters--who hijacked your country long ago---while you were partying time to kick rrreal ass the wulf

Posted by the wulf @ 03/16/2004 03:57 PM EST

Nice analysis,I came to this site when I heard of the bombings. I came back when I heard of the phony planted evidence(just like the twin towes).Today ,`im glad you updated.Anyone care to comment on Kerry`s involvement in the CFR, and his refusal to go along with CIA proposed budget?Didn`t CIA involvement in BCCI set off alarms in Kerry? I`m not saying I trust him, but isn`t it possible he remembers how he was used in Nam and wants to fight the fascists?Or are we facing a possible election of pepsi vs. coke, which is easy to fix or disrupt with a CIA terror attack?I`m sure glad this site is here, it proves (some) humans still have the ability to think.Everything seems to be hanging in the balance at the moment.Either the whole planet slides down into an inferno of environmental disasters ,starvation,warfare; or it corrects itself(slightly, like the spaniards) and teeters along until the next fascist comes to power.Thanks many times over.

Posted by 1farmerwhowon`trun @ 03/16/2004 06:32 PM EST

It's only a matter of time now before Australia dumps Bush and his wars, as it now looks extremely likely that John Howard the US boot-licker will be defeated by Mark Latham, who in my opinion is about as good as politicians come. In England, it looks like Tony blair's time has come and the liberal party will not make the same mistake of supporting any unjustified US wars in the future. So it seems likely the US will be losing a lot of important active participants in it's imperial wars. Unfortunately for the US it appears their next war will be a coalition of themselves and some small obscure states we've never heard of.

Posted by A @ 03/16/2004 09:08 PM EST

GOOD TO HAVE A NEW ARTICLE VOX,
you have a loyal readership, I wish you could make weekly comments on shit going on in the FUCKING WORLD!!!! And I hope you have a peephole in the front door!!

Posted by kickbush @ 03/17/2004 12:58 AM EST

Long time no see. Welcome back. I was wondering...what is a neo con?

Posted by Alex Anderson @ 03/17/2004 01:41 AM EST

Long time no see. Welcome back. I was wondering...what is a neo con?

Posted by Alex Anderson @ 03/17/2004 01:42 AM EST

Fuck! Check out this article.
http://www.infowars.com/print/propaganda/paid_actor_journalists.htm

God what a charade!
The latest pathetic "reality commercial" from the FAKE PRESIDENT who served a FAKE TURKEY to FAKE TROOPS on his FAKE TRIP TO IRAQ.

Posted by GREATWHITE @ 03/17/2004 02:47 AM EST

I am a muslim from France

Thank you Vox for speaking the truth. The great american people must wake up and make peace with their brothers in humanity that the muslim peoples are.

Keep on informing us the way you do it !

Posted by French man @ 03/17/2004 03:55 AM EST

Have you heard the Alex Jones interview on Coast2Coast. EXPLOSIVE.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/031404coasttocoast.html

You should work together..

Posted by Tom @ 03/17/2004 06:48 AM EST

Upcoming elections... the salve of tortured consciences everywhere. Do ANY of you (even you, VOX) actually believe that we, the people, have ANY choice?? Do ANY of you really believe that the two choices are actually any different from one another? In each and every system in which there are "democratic" elections, the choices presented to the people are sharply and artificially limited to FORCE the people to "choose" someone who has already been "approved" by the members of the actual, unelected, rulers of the nation. This applies to Spain, England, the US, Australia, and so on... Not one of them has had a "nobody" rise to lead the nation in the past hundred years... they've all been members of the Elite. Here in the US, the closest things we had were Teddy Roosevelt and Truman, and BOTH of them were bulldozed by the special interests...

There is no "election" that will save us... We cannot conclude that an "election" is of any value when we, the people, have our choices artificially limited!

Posted by Cynic @ 03/17/2004 11:10 AM EST

Vox, I usually agree with your analyses (and thank you for your excellent work), but in this instance, regarding the Madrid bombings I disagree.

The carefully calculated planning and execution of the operation does indicate that only a group with resources and know-how could have pulled it off, ie the CIA. This was not the work of amateurs. So the question is why, and why now?

To my mind the Spanish public's reaction and consequent election result was entirely predictable. What else could have been expected? They were almost all opposed to the Iraq attack, highly suspicious of Bush's motives and, being European, they were not going to react to the bombs the same way as Americans might had it happened here, ie demanding revenge on someone, anyone.

No, their reaction, to want out of this spurious war, could be guaranteed. But I think this is all beside the point, because I don't think the bombs were planted to influence Spain one way or another.

The CIA/media story that al-Qaida was responsible should not be believable to the public. Spain has a nominal troop deployment in Iraq. Who can believe the story put forward that Madrid was revenge against Spain for being involved? Anyone who stops to THINK might wonder, why would al-Qaida risk capture and wast time putting together an operation on Spain? What would they stand to gain? They might make Spain withdraw their troops, but would it affect their primary enemy, the US? The answer would have to be no. It basically wouldn't change anything for them. And what is there to avenge anyway? As we all know, the US didn't attack al-Qaida. This story has more holes than golf course.

Let's work from the premise that the current White House residents are willing to do ANYTHING it takes to remain in power come November. Given what's been happening over the last three years, I think that's a safe assumption. This right-wing cabal are only concerned with self-preservation, self-enrichment and increasing their hold on power. What's best for the country does not concern them.

The madrid attacks were almost certianly foreshadowing for the coming US election season. When the "winds of black death" hit the states everyone will be pre-programmed to think al-Qaida. The timing of any US operation would be key, for they know they risk a possible Spanish reaction, but if the timing is right the election can be put on hold for the forseeable future (this week all the right-wing mouth pieces have been saying the Spanish election should have been postponed). Every now and then a new threat scare would arise, making it impossible to have the election, and the people will be more than willing for this to happen since it will be drilled into them that they need Bush now.

What I want to know is, given that we have this cole-bomb, bali-bomb (both on the same date, 10/12), 9/11, 911 days patterns, it should be possible to predict something. What is the meaning behind this 911 meme? (apart from the obvious). Today the Spanish ambassador to USA said "The Beast is among us".

Posted by NxtUK @ 03/17/2004 02:35 PM EST

Yeah, the Spanish bombings have elite fingerprints all over them right down to the occult numerology that masonic societies are so fond of: 3/11/2004=3+1+1+2+4=11

I find it "convenient" also that right before the bombings you had a series of elite efforts to overthrow various governments such as the successful coup in Haiti (see: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/16/1712217 ), and a strange aparently failed coup in oil-rich former Spanish Colony Equatorial Guinea in which: "Zimbabwe claimed US, British and SPANISH spy agencies were helping the "mercenaries" in the plot..." the day before the Spanish bombings (see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3499344.stm ).

Documents were also released days before the bombings proving the US supported the 2002 attempted coup and is supporting current efforts to overthrow the President of oil-rich Venezuela, Hugo Chavez (see: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040311/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_us_2 )who on March 8 threatened Bush with a "100-year war" if the US "invades" Venezuela.

As vox said, the Spanish bombings look like a BACKFIRED attempt to coerce the Spanish into allignment with the elite agenda. But it also serves to introduce "al Qaeda" "terror" into Europe, as a test for future "terror" in the US and abroad, and to distract attention from multiple coup attempts.

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 03/17/2004 03:30 PM EST

Unknown soldier, why don't you become the first unknown soldier killed in this war to transfer the world's resources and wealth to the elite you love so much, rather than spend time visiting this website you "soldier" you.

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 03/17/2004 04:34 PM EST

Can you all just see "Unblown Schill-der" checking VOX's site for the last 2 1/2 months waiting for an opportunity to open his yap?? See, "Unblown Schill-der" is married. And I call him "Unblown" because his "wife" hasn't touched his fetid cock since New Years '76. He alternates between surfing "tight teens" and VOXFUX, pulling his pud all the while.

Posted by GREATWHITE @ 03/17/2004 05:33 PM EST

Have you heard Bush's new campaign slogan? "Read My Lips, No...New...Jobs! Unlike my daddy, I intend to keep my word!" On a more serious note, what do you think the chances are, if it looks like Bush is going to lose the election, that there will be a terrorist attack (staged, of course) and Bush will suspend the elections and declare martial law (for the sake of "national security")?

"America...Built On Pride, Destroyed By Greed"

Posted by Alan @ 03/17/2004 08:48 PM EST

These people will be defeated sooner or later. There is no doubt about this in my mind. Unfortunately, they will have mislead a huge part of humanity before they fall.

Truth will eventually prevail over Falsehood !

Posted by French man @ 03/18/2004 08:02 AM EST

Included here is an article about the Spain bombing....take note the paragragh where bOO$H thought this happening would bring them closer to Washington! They thought...they thought ~ WRONG!
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=501668
Take the MIRACULOUS Koran finding, the note or recording, the 9/11 timeline...on the fact of it happening right before an election...if this is what bOO$H thought, then this is prob. what Aznar (his bud) prob. thought too...I have MUCH admiration for those Spaniards!!! GET SOME INSIGHT & LEARN A LESSON. 9/11 still equals 9/11 to me...who are the ones into this number??? Alot more know than what they prob. think!!!!!!

Posted by me @ 03/18/2004 09:22 AM EST

Unfortunate hopefuls. Those in power will remain in power until the mechanisms that provide their power fail. Not a moment sooner. Why? Because the people, even those who are motivated to do something (like the Spanish), are rendered into chattel, a group whose opinions matter not... and they are not a power. It will not be until the chattel are forced to make a physical decision, rather than an "election," between their own survival and that of the elite, that the elite will fall.

Also, I have a question for the group. Being a relative newcomer to VOX's site, I have to ask... what's the deal with this Unknown Soldier fellow? I am guessing that many posts of his are deleted, while those posts critical of him are retained... seems very much like Mr. Bush, in that regard... "Only those who support me can be near me, everyone else has to go to a free speech zone..."

Posted by Cynic @ 03/18/2004 10:31 AM EST

To the above commenter who goes by the name cynic. To answer your question, this "Unknown Soldier" is an identified US cointelpro agent. (Probably a low level FBI or even NSA staffer or even from one of the many private subcontractors currently subcontracted by the government to disrupt Internet based forums who expose the Neo Con terrorists for what they are.

It is not called censorship when paid government agents are deleted, Vox rightly calls it "Disinfecting," the forums.

Disinfecting and censoring are two completely different things.

In case you havn't noticed, there, "Cynic," your posts have remained and you are not in complete accordance with Vox. Why is that? Probably because your post and IP address doesn't fit the profile of a spook.

Cut Vox some slack, he's got a lot of assholes to deal with, I AM a long term visitor and contributer to this site.

Posted by IntelQ @ 03/18/2004 11:13 AM EST

Yes, and disinfecting sounds a lot like cleansing to me. Unless his (Unknown Soldier) posts are obviously offensive in some way, why delete it? If it IS a spook (which I doubt) it would be interesting to read his misguided words.

Anyway, I have to repeat again: The Madrid attack was not a mistake. Everyone knew 90% of the Spanish public didn't want to be involved in Iraq. Everything pointed towards them voting out the PM, and having an attack just before the election, when emotions would be running high would solidify their decision. Try not to look at the situation as an American might. Spain is not Kentucky. They wanted out, and Madrid just gave self-validation to their decision, no doubt about it.

Too many people posting here seem to think the group behind the spate of attacks are stupid, inept, constantly wrong. I think that it is a serious mistake to underestimate them. So far the majority of the US and the world do believe that there is some huge amazingly well organized al-Qaida network out there.

If they are so stupid we should be able to predict what's coming, after all, they keep droppping numerolgical clues and hints as to there next target all the time.

I believe the whole purpose of Madrid was simply to execute a terrorist attack outside of Iraq (an attack therei is too abstract for the US public). Spain's involvement in Iraq was a great pretext to have it there.

Now this is important: having the big bad evil al-Qaida execute an attack JUST BEFORE AN ELECTION was key. If it had just happened here (like it might in November), they risked raising peoples suspicions way too much. How convenient it would be for Bush, as no doubt he would be reinstalled. But now the "terrorists" have a track record of pre-election attacks.

Look out for the intense propaganda barrage to follow: "we have to stay the course; not voting for Bush lets the terrorists win; we can't let them see that an attack can influence OUR election and if you don't vote for bush it will".

There is much more to be said on this but I will leave it there for now.

Posted by NxtUK @ 03/18/2004 02:24 PM EST

Cynic and NxtUK: Just scroll down the VOX mainpage til you get to this: INCOMPETENT COINTELPRO AGENT EXPOSES AGENCY OPERATIONS
UPDATEDUMB COINTELPRO THUG SIMPLY KEEPS BLUNDERING AND BLUNDERING AND BLUNDERINGUPDATE
by voxfux

Check it out. A little history for you two who seem concerned about the Accidenter and his expunged postings.

Posted by GREATWHITE @ 03/18/2004 02:58 PM EST

NxtUK,

What makes you think Bush would be "re-selected" in the event of a pre-election attack? By his refusal to provide his PDB's (Presidential Daily Briefings) to the Senate Committee prior to 911 is evidence that he had knowledge and did nothing. Another attack would definitely nail in his worthless butt.

Everything aside conspiracy wise about 'Good Ole GWB', he's too stupid to be the president of the greatest country on Earth. Maybe a distant island in the South Pacific, population 2, GW and Laura would be his speed.

I find it hard to believe Al Qaida
is behind this at all. Like others here, it smells of CIA/Bush scare tactics. Wait and see if something happens before the November election. My money is on it. Bin Laden will "majically" be captured just days before the election hoping to make Bush the hero. Let's pray the economy is one of his many downfalls.

Posted by Big Tex @ 03/18/2004 05:16 PM EST

NxtUK, you've just highlighted a key point that I began to suspect last night may very well be the intentions behind this attack. By now I think we can all take blaming Al-Qaeda for an attack simply to mean it was a intelligence agency type job. Anyway the point you made is that Al-Qaeda now have themselves a track recored for trying to influence(quite effectively) the elections on "coalition of the willing" countries. With this track record now in place any "terrorist" attack happening pre US election, the people are automatically going to think Al-qaeda are trying to effect our elections: "We won't let those nasty terrorists make us vote for the opposition like those wimpy Spaniards, we're gonna vote for Bush!!" would be the typical American attitude. And of course just in case the heat starts to turn on Bush for having two "terrorist" attacks happening on his watch, he'll magically pull Osama Bin Laden or some lanky Arab look alike out of his hat to spin the populace into a "patriotic" Bush voting furore.

Also, may I point out it may be of significance that this Spanish "terrorist" attack has taken place soon after Kerry's selection as the democractic oppostion, and in the context of recent polls showing that Kerry is ahead of Bush, and would easily win an election were it held today.

Posted by A @ 03/18/2004 09:25 PM EST

http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/

Posted by Z @ 03/18/2004 10:18 PM EST

http://www.democracynow.org/streampage.pl

download today's show for more on the bush/saudi connect

Posted by Z @ 03/18/2004 10:42 PM EST

Thank God, you are back. That's all I can say now because I am weeping in joy and relief.

Posted by A frend, a good friend @ 03/19/2004 01:15 AM EST

Thank God, you are back. That's all I can say now because I am weeping in joy and relief.

Posted by A frend, a good friend @ 03/19/2004 01:16 AM EST

Thank God, you are back. That's all I can say now because I am weeping in joy and relief.

Posted by A frend, a good friend @ 03/19/2004 01:16 AM EST

Thank God, you are back. That's all I can say now because I am weeping in joy and relief.

Posted by A frend, a good friend @ 03/19/2004 01:18 AM EST

Thank God, you are back. That's all I can say now because I am weeping in joy and relief.

Posted by A frend, a good friend @ 03/19/2004 01:18 AM EST

Thank God, you are back. That's all I can say now because I am weeping in joy and relief.

Posted by A friend, a good friend @ 03/19/2004 01:20 AM EST

I am sorry about the multiples.

Posted by A friend @ 03/19/2004 01:26 AM EST

Good to see you back with same
guts than before,
Keep on truckin'!

Posted by Crazy JiM @ 03/19/2004 05:05 AM EST

anybody catch that bit on CNN when they said Israeli forensic experts were being rushed to Madrid in the wake of the bombings?

Posted by Nicolas K @ 03/19/2004 08:18 AM EST

When all is said and done people will follow the man who will promise them peace and safety. That is what this is all about.The satanic elite will not stop until their christ (antichrist) is thrown into the lake of fire.

Posted by Vic @ 03/19/2004 08:42 AM EST

When all is said and done people will follow the man who will promise them peace and safety. That is what this is all about.The satanic elite will not stop until their christ (antichrist) is thrown into the lake of fire.

Posted by Vic @ 03/19/2004 08:43 AM EST

When all is said and done people will follow the man who will promise them peace and safety. That is what this is all about.The satanic elite will not stop until their christ (antichrist) is thrown into the lake of fire.

Posted by Vic @ 03/19/2004 08:44 AM EST

Vox,
You're finally back! I almost got tired of checking your site and not seeing an update.

Big Tex,

"the greatest country on Earth"? C'mon now. Who care's about the country. That's the problem growing up in America. You're brainwashed that it's the greatest 'country'. Who cares about a 'country'. Take France for example. They're the butt of many a joke in the US (and way before Iraq-UN...). Of course they're proud (and they can be pretentious) but what they're proud of is their culture, their way of life, their 'esprit de vivre'. They could give 2 shits about the 'country' or the 'government'. The us citizens need to identify themselves by way of their culture and not their brainwashed idea about 'country'.

Anyway, regarding the madrid bombings, here's a link to an interesting article that I think sheds some light on how complex the planning must have been to execute the attack.
http://joevialls.altermedia.info/myahudi/madrid.html

PS vox. Update a little more!

Posted by JB @ 03/19/2004 10:04 AM EST

Vox, these long absenses disturb me, my brother. But I'm glad to read your imput, truth and serious analytical perception is very addictive.

Hey I know everyone hates Bush, but some of the things Kerry said and is saying sounds
like he could introduce stricter and more intrusive intelligence measures on the American people in the name of being "strong on terrorism" or "doing a better job". I know both of these cats, Bush & Kerry were (are) Skull & Bones so Kerry could be the smiley face on the real crack down. Or he could be set up for the big let down. Bush and company got something on Kerry and its big. Don't know what it is, but don't be surprised if a major shoe drops. If Bush gets re-elected thru the use of trickery, deception or intimidation he will be officially labeled THE BEAST!

Peace Imhotep

Posted by Imhotep @ 03/19/2004 10:28 AM EST

First off, Vox, it is good to see your searing criticism of BushLaden Productions back again.

JB,

I agree with your idea of culture and country. There is no culture in the USA, except violence and excess sex. Combine that with militarization and religious fanaticism, and THAT is what people are believeing is their culture. Do musicians know how to play anymore? The Europeans have always been better artists. Here, it is the maoning of alternative rock, the grunting of rap, and every over 30 female singer has to expose their breasts. In other cultures, musicians and artists don't start maturing until they are near 50 years old.

Maybe it is a sign of the "Throwaway Culture" of America, if there is any culture at all.

Big Tex's statement was not meant to be nasty, I think. In theory, America COULD be a great country, but sadly, it is not. It is hype, and that perhaps, when it boils down to it, the only culture America has a foot hold on.

Posted by swampgas @ 03/19/2004 10:28 AM EST

RE: Unknown Soldier, Accidenter, or whatever handle he/she is using -

Following the advice of the helpful GreatWhite and IntelQ, I did go to the mentioned thread... and found much the same problem as I found here...

"Disinfecting." "Censoring." Semantics.

Fact remains: Posts that are offensive in some way to the host are deleted, while those offensive to the poster (whatever his handle) are retained.

While the host, being the host, has that right (after all, she/he who has the gold makes the rules and therefore she/he who pays for the space gets to say what goes on there) and I won't deny it, I ask this: Why "disinfect" offensive posts FROM a person, but NOT offensive posts TO a person? I do not doubt that this poster was offensive... what few posts of his remain are (to my mind) offensive. But you know what? That's the *alleged* beauty of America... the right to say what you want, no matter how offensive to other human beings. And, by extension, the right of all readers (including the host) to simply ignore posts that they find offensive.

Unfortunately, that is not what is happening.

IMO, "disinfecting" would bring with it an onus to also delete the replies to the offending post, particularly when the replies are also offensive... permitting those offensive replies to remain while removing the offensive original post is, for want of a better word, "censorship."

Also, regarding the charge of government involvement for this poster, I say, "so what?" If you don't like him, or feel that he is "the enemy," ignore him. Vitriol accomplishes nothing, and distracts from the issues at hand. (Which reminds me, this shall be my last post on this subject, as I wish not to detract from the thrust of the issue at hand with my original enquiry.) If he is or is not a government agent, what difference does it make? IMO, it makes no difference at all... not to a rational person who has the power to choose what to read and what not to.

Finally, regarding my own posts remaining while not in accordance with the opinion of the article. After reading the thread GreatWhite mentioned, it seems that contrary to my original POV, it's not the *opinions* that are causing Unknown Soldier (or whatever) to be deleted, but rather some kind of charges that he levels and directs at the host. In other words, disagreement with the article is ok, but charges directed at the host are not.

Again, it's the host's right to delete posts that he finds offensive (being the individual who has the gold, she/he is the individual that makes the rules and that is her/his right), however I still contend that if offensive posts FROM this individual are removed, there is an onus present to remove the subsequent offensive posts TO that individual, lest one be creating the same environment as "free speech zones"...

After all... "Equal under the law" is an *alleged* character of the American system, is it not?

Posted by Cynic @ 03/19/2004 10:42 AM EST

Swampgas,

Oh yeah, sorry to Big Tex. I'm sure his statement wasn't meant to be nasty.

I agree the US could be a great country. For now it's too bad.

However, it's delicate to say who has or where are the better artists. To like an art or artists is strictly a matter of tatse. And there is no right or wrong in matters of taste.

I just happen to be a musician. For over 30 years. And I could argue that based on my preference, black music from the states is far superior than the music 'compsed' by the conservatorally educated european musicians. Again, matter of taste, but it seems to me that, man-o-man, that sweet soul-blues-jazz that the blacks made is just so full of raw passion and emotion, tied in with their rhythmical heritage they brought from Africa......

On the other hand when you grow up with tangible liberty, and not just being told you have it when you really don't, could concievably affect your creative inspiration.

Well, the above ipretty much off topic.

Madrid: It looks as though the perpetrators had a lot of inside knowledge. they probably placed the bombs under the trains in the night depots. since there's a lot of trains in the depots, how did they know which trains were going where? The trains left the depots and exploded shortly thereafter. Nice timing. How the hell did they get into the depots with all the personnel who work nights there? And the security they have there? All that and (LOL) they leave there van parked outside of Madrid and let themselves be seen with 'backpacks'. They must have been huge backpacks to carry all of the explosives.

Posted by JB @ 03/19/2004 10:56 AM EST

I believe that NxtUK and "A" have an interesting point. Let us for a moment consider the following possibility- You have an organization (whatever it's nature, be it Government or Extra-Government is irrelevant for the moment) that possesses nearly infinite resources (both financially and politically).

Now consider that this possible organization wishes to sow discord and discontent. What better vehicles than supposedly "oppositional" political groups and the occasional "obviously engineered" act of terror?

Is it far-fetched to think that a double-blind has been achieved, that an "obvious" false-flag operation has been used to cover a true false flag operation?

I know it seems Houdini-esque, but bear with me and hear me out.

If I were in charge of an organization that wanted to sow discord and discontent, and I had access to *at least* the resources I have at my disposal right now, it would be an obvious move (not unlike some Chess moves) to engineer an event that would create a sense that the government were actually behind it in order to shield my organization.

This is not unlike what the NSA did before it became known to exist. Many activities of the early NSA (prior to it's public appearances) were attributed to the CIA or FBI. So, on a grander scale, why could it not be so for Spain?

Before assuming a bumbling government consipiracy, consider who may benefit from the event. The Spanish didn't benefit as they've traded one side of the coin for the other. America didn't benefit, as we are now facing loss of face on a mind-boggling global scale.

I suggest that we look at who gets the next few billion dollars in contracts for "new security measures" in Spain. They would be my first thought, as they are the simplest of the "cui bono" group.

After that, consider that this event could potentially drive a wedge in between governments of the world where there once was cooperation (Spain, UK, US, Australia, et al)... consider that this event could also potentially drive a wedge between the "rulers" and the "ruled," which could set off another round of global revolutions (not unlike the 1700s)... which accomplish nothing, trading one group of elites for another and refreshing the idea of "nationalism" and "patriotism." This, IMO, is the most likely scenario... As with the 1700s, those actually in power may seek to shake up "the system" and consolidate their hold yet further.

Just another angle that occurs to me.

Posted by Cynic @ 03/19/2004 11:03 AM EST

Dear Cynic
I promise you if you keep distracting the group into long disscussions on how vox does or does not deal with cointelpro assholes you will shortly find that you too will be deleted. You are now managing to spend an enormous amount of time peeling the hairs off of a non issue. This forum is to talk about the threat of the current fascist threat to all of humanity. This forum is not to go down this pathway of comparing Voxex disinfectinng techniques. If you continue to do so you will be axed. Stick to the subject. And stop grabbing on to Voxes ass hairs.
GET OVER IT. If you don't like it start your own damn forum.

IntelQ

Posted by IntelQ @ 03/19/2004 11:06 AM EST

The american people could have been a wonderful example for all humanity if their country had not been hijacked since its creation. All this (religious tolerance, freedom of thought, etc.) has been undermined because your leaders are too GREEDY, they always want more to the detriment of your people and other countries. That is the problem !

From abroad, people see America as an arrogant country, not ready to question itself.

Posted by French Man @ 03/19/2004 11:15 AM EST

Bush... had thought the PP (Anzar's political party aligned with the war on Iraq) would... blame Al-Qaeda and then forge the issue that the Spanish people needed the PP to continue in the fight against terrorism. However, those within the PP, distant from the ploy, concluded that the safest road was to blame the local terrorists, ETA. Thus, they forged the mental dynamic that ETA was responsible to cast the Spanish people into support of the PP. However, it was evident from the first that it was not ETA. Thus, [the Spanish] angry at being misled by the PP, by the logical standard imposed by the PP, [concluded] that it was Al-Qaeda but [used] that conclusion to support the PSOE (the socialists) rather than the PP.

Steady Leadership In Times of Change (New Bush Logo prior to 3/11)

Sender, Berl & Sons Inc. notes its concern with the Bush Re-Election Logo as contained in its television advertisements. Absent [the bombings in Spain] and absent any forthcoming acts of terrorism, wouldn’t such a logo seem less lucid and clear? In fact, the campaign until [the Madrid bombings] was subject to lots of criticism even from Republicans. From where we sit, it’s as though the Bush people prepared this ad campaign to run in an expected environment of domestic/global turmoil. http://www.senderberl.com/fp/notes.htm#spain

Ah, expect "times of change" for the 2004 US elections...

"Here is a country that stood against terrorism, and had a huge terrorist act within their country, and they chose to change their government and to in a sense appease terrorists," House Speaker Dennis Hastert, of Illinois, said. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040318/pl_nm/iraq_usa_congress_dc_5

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 03/19/2004 01:13 PM EST

Welcome back to frontline Cyberspace noble brother Vox! Your highly stimulating input has been sorely missed.
Thank you for courageously sticking your head above the parapet once more, and "telling it like it is": as only you can!

Whilst the MACHIAVELLIAN PLANS of the CFR; CIA; NSA et al are undoubtedly FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED - to the extent that they are ULTIMATELY ALL DOOMED TO FAILURE - I do not think > feel (as you state, and/or imply that such PLANS (down the years) have all been abject failures - if one considers history over the last few hundred years say. Surely something must have worked > been/be working, and working very well for that matter, way back then > since till now: otherwise HOW come both reincarnations, and DISCIPLES of these self-same DEVIL WORSHIPPING; BABY EATING; BLOOD SUCKING SPIRITUAL VAMPIRES are still EFFECTIVELY IN POWER?
Nonetheless, if recent Events in Spain are anything with which to gauge the current public attitude by, then it is clear that by their sheer bloody-minded determination not to be HOODWINKED by OUTRAGEOUS and UTTERLY DESPICABLE Government PROPAGANDA > Heartless > CALLOUS political opportunism in the face of incredible national > international Grief. Thank goodness the honourable people of Spain were in retention of sufficient conscious AWARENESS of WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON, and also of such outstanding PRINCIPLE: that they could take the DEFIANT STAND which they did: against the then incumbent ILLUMINIST representatives (Jose-Maria Aznar & his fellow Neo-Fascist Hoodlums!), and with that DEMONSTRATION OF TRUE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION: Score a RESOUNDING VICTORY not just for themselves, but in significant part too > for the Greater CAUSE of Earth Humankind over the INHUMAN WRETCHES, and associated lower order PARASITES who have bleed them > Us dry for far too long.

Right now it would appear that the DARK LEAD ACTORS & their co-opted but equally SCURRILOUS minions are pretty much RUNNING SCARED.
3/11 was meant to consolidate both their POWER & (ILLUSIONARY!) CONTROL - just like 9/11 did in America > most of the "western world". Because (as you point out) Spanish people aren't anywhere near as GULLIBLE as their American cousins: the opposite effect has apparently resulted - thus far anyhow, and whatsmore they simply REFUSED to take any more FUCKING SHIT from their supposed "entrusted representatives": especially when that SICKENING EXCREMENT was preventing them from UNCOVERING THE TRUTH concerning HOW & WHY their loved ones were so brutally Slain.

Notice how in Britain in particular (ILLUMINIST!) Government Stooges & their allied MEDIA Lackeys have ratcheted up the terror talk like nobody's business. Perhaps Britain is the next test target? France certainly is being softened up. After all, they at least can count on the fact that there are far more SHEEP, and AMORAL SELL-OUTS here than there are in Spain (or France!). Then again with the US Presidential Election much nearer in time than one in Britain, I suspect the next Major (9/11 Blitzing!!!) Spectacular (if you excuse the rather tasteless pun) will arrive (on cue!) just in time to ensure that their main front man (Bush Jnr!) gets re-elected, only just like as has just happened in Spain, this latest hyper audacious PLAN may BACKFIRE also: if that is the American people learn enough lessons from the Spanish Fiasco, so as to bring about the GREATEST NECESSARY CHANGE (i.e: the REMOVAL - and FITTING PUNISHMENT of the Bush CRIMINAL BRIGADE, and other Corporate CO-CONSPIRATORS). Then (and only then!) will we all truly witness a DOMINO EFFECT of TRANSFORMATORY positive change right round the globe, and the REALIZATION of TRUE PARADISE here on Earth.

Your FATE is in your own hands folks. Choose your course of ACTION wisely!

Posted by Mother Of The World @ 03/19/2004 02:08 PM EST

Z, thanks for the link to the moveon.org rumsfeld video--priceless.

Look, there is no doubt that the United States has the potential to be a great country. It has an amazingly industrious workforce, vast resources and people with vision. It has a terrible attitude though. All this talk of being the greatest country on earth has to end as it is only helping to feed the collapse.

Calling it the greatest country on earth is something the chicken-hawk pols do to whip up patriotic fervor in the minds of the unthinking to get them to do what they want, like fighting spurious wars.

It's unneccesary, and doesn't advance the United States cause.

Cynic has a point. There is no doubt that the larger picture behind all of this is a drive to shake up the system and create a new standard. Empires throughout history have fallen when they became too complacent and too decadent. The rot set in. This large scale interdiction in the bearing of the US is an effort to usher in an age of bourgeois economy and elitist counterfeit tutelary--We will protect you from this new darkness, this looming threat. These peremptory restrictions are for your own good.

As to whether another attack in the US would help or hurt Bush--it's a tough one. I think it would come down to timing and preconditioning. No doubt someone, somewhere is analyzing this.

Posted by NxtUK @ 03/19/2004 02:10 PM EST

IntelQ: I refuse to continue (as I said I would no longer continue in my last post) discussing Vox's police-methods. Your post is merely inflammatory and redundant.

All: It is unfortunate that we continue to be focused on "the next terror attack," and whether or not Bush can use it to his advantage...

The question is not whether or not there will be one, or even whether or not it will benefit Bush. The unfortunate fact is that Bush = Kerry. They, like all "opposing party" politicians are two sides of the same coin, and it matters not which side emerges "victorious" in the next "election." They have both been "pre-approved" to "rule" by others, and the people's desires (including the desire for peace) is irrelevant to them. When a people are artificially restricted to which candidates they may vote for (with any hope of election), you have invalidated the entire premise of an "election."

However, to that point there is one important item to consider. Popular elections are not truly the answer. I believe it was Jefferson (but I may be misremembering) who stated that rule by the democratic method was the ultimate form of tyranny... After all, if 51% of the people vote to kill the other 49%, did the people actually accomplish something?

America has no hope of emerging from beneath our political chains; we are too hidebound by the "principles of democracy." Even if, by some miracle, the people rose up and demolished the system that exists today, they are already "pre-programmed" to accept a "rule by the people" democratic model that is easily shaped by the media, including the Internet. The Internet does not necessarily "illuminate" anyone, especially in a culture which desires a "no-thought" sort of spoon-fed version of "the truth." With that mentality, controlling the masses opinion is simple, even in the Internet.

The entire socio-economic structure which grants the unelected elite power will have to fall away before there can be effected any real or lasting change. Fortunately, that time is rapidly approaching... and the elite have no more chance of averting the collapse than the people have of rising against the elite who rule. It is inevitable, a simple equation of mathematics and nature which are beyond the influence of even the most powerful.

Posted by Cynic @ 03/19/2004 02:50 PM EST

JB,

I agree that Sam Cooke, Little Richard, Nat Cole, Cab Calloway, Sly Stone, Little Anthony, The Flamingoes, and Dionne Warwick were/are incredible musicians. But 50 Cent, Snoop Dog, etc...Give me a freakin' break!!! I think Digital Underground, Public Enemy, and KRS-1 are good.

Are you trying to say that Beethoven, Messiaen, Stravinsky, Debussey, and Borodin were not passionate? I have been playing for 45 years, have a recording contract right now, and I'll tell you something, musicians are either lazy or not. I always ask the question...If one has the dexterity and imagination of say a Keith Emerson, Richie Blackmore, Robert Fripp, or Arthur Brown, what would they play? It's easy to dimiss culture as "Taste", but it boils down to technique and feeling. Without either one, a musician becomes lazy, and the audience that listens to music becomes lazy. Amercia is lazy. That's why we allowed these bastards in power to get away with what they are. The Europeans took a lot less shit, because they are taught to think

I remember in the early 70's, we had a band that was playing Pink Floyd, Emerson Lake Palmer, Moody Blues, etc. There was a group of people that appeared to be Long Hairs, but they were really boozers. They used to make fun of us for playing that "Werid Shit". They played Blues mostly, and stuff like Humble Pie. They really were more interested in funking, booze, and feeling sorry for themselves, Well guess what? They are all either dead or living in miserable marriages now. The people playing weird stuff, like myself and others in the band, are still recording, progressing.

Sorry, nothing racist, but the Blues, Bad Rap, Alternative,and hard ass simply can't compare creativly to music that requires a lot of thought and feeling.

What does this have to do with Spain and Bush? You have stated exactly what my theory is..America is a lazy country, that will not fight for it's rights, it is a throwaway culture, and the US should learn to REALLY think, and learn to play their instrument (their mind) though and through

Posted by swampgas @ 03/19/2004 03:45 PM EST

Nobody hits it like you and Alex Jones of Prisonplanet.com,Jeff Rense,of rense.com and Mike Rivera of whatreallyhappened.com.You guys are the "Shizznit".Givin you a shoutout from the hood.We hear you and we down.Don't stop keepin it real.Peace.

Posted by 5string @ 03/19/2004 04:25 PM EST

Hi vox--Am very happy that you are well and that your site is up and running again--it has been difficult to find out what is really going on and your articles are a breath of fresh air--you're the best! It's been a very rough year seeing our country slide ever faster into fascism with so many Americans either sleepwalking in a happy consumer dream or afraid to speak up. We got a Bill of Rights Defense Resolution passed in our county and are working on getting one passed to try to protect the plentiful water here from being taken over by Vivendi--don't know if any of this will do any good--they've got the bunker busters and the ELFs--but have to try to do something--and have been telling anyone who will listen that before the next "election" there will be another "terrorist" attack--a way worse one this time, and probably during the school year so that the children will be locked in the schools away from their parents--one of the school districts around here sent a note home w/the kids that they'll be doing that if there's a Code Red--sometimes it's like living in a nightmare, but life must go on, as it does for the people in other countries where our bombs are falling.
I admire your courage.
Peace, kathleen

Posted by kathleen beatty @ 03/20/2004 12:17 AM EST

Hi vox--Am very happy that you are well and that your site is up and running again--it has been difficult to find out what is really going on and your articles are a breath of fresh air--you're the best! It's been a very rough year seeing our country slide ever faster into fascism with so many Americans either sleepwalking in a happy consumer dream or afraid to speak up. We got a Bill of Rights Defense Resolution passed in our county and are working on getting one passed to try to protect the plentiful water here from being taken over by Vivendi--don't know if any of this will do any good--they've got the bunker busters and the ELFs--but have to try to do something--and have been telling anyone who will listen that before the next "election" there will be another "terrorist" attack--a way worse one this time, and probably during the school year so that the children will be locked in the schools away from their parents--one of the school districts around here sent a note home w/the kids that they'll be doing that if there's a Code Red--sometimes it's like living in a nightmare, but life must go on, as it does for the people in other countries where our bombs are falling.
I admire your courage.
Peace, kathleen

Posted by kathleen beatty @ 03/20/2004 12:19 AM EST

Hi vox--Am very happy that you are well and that your site is up and running again--it has been difficult to find out what is really going on and your articles are a breath of fresh air--you're the best! It's been a very rough year seeing our country slide ever faster into fascism with so many Americans either sleepwalking in a happy consumer dream or afraid to speak up. We got a Bill of Rights Defense Resolution passed in our county and are working on getting one passed to try to protect the plentiful water here from being taken over by Vivendi--don't know if any of this will do any good--they've got the bunker busters and the ELFs--but have to try to do something--and have been telling anyone who will listen that before the next "election" there will be another "terrorist" attack--a way worse one this time, and probably during the school year so that the children will be locked in the schools away from their parents--one of the school districts around here sent a note home w/the kids that they'll be doing that if there's a Code Red--sometimes it's like living in a nightmare, but life must go on, as it does for the people in other countries where our bombs are falling.
I admire your courage.
Peace, kathleen

Posted by kathleen beatty @ 03/20/2004 12:20 AM EST

Just a quick note to update the numerology around 9/11. I read on the Internet last night that Lindbergh gave a speech on 9/11 in 1941 where he presented his ideas about who was selling the U.S. on the idea to intervene in WWII. The author of the article didn't say anything about the coincidence of the date but I noticed it right away, especially after the Madrid attacks that occured on 3/11.

Lindbergh stated in his speech that he was against our country going into war against Germany as he could only see years of death and destruction ahead. He said the administration, Britain and Jewish Americans were promoting the war but that there were other groups in U.S. society that were against it. He was immediately chastised after giving the speech for mentioning the Jews as a group and it became big news in the media to the point where Lindbergh and his wife were smeared in the media and shunned in public. Lindbergh, who had been so revered by the masses never recovered socially or professionally from this speech.
The author concluded that since that speech on 9-11-1941, it has been politically incorrect in the U.S. to criticize, question, delve into heavy debate or express viewpoints, observations or concerns about Jews as a group. Did the 9/11 planners know about this speech?

Posted by steph @ 03/20/2004 05:16 AM EST

Just exactly who is it that has no qualms about destroying the lives of the common man on the subway?

Posted by eric swan @ 03/20/2004 02:32 PM EST

Welcome back Vox! We MISSED ya!
Brian

Posted by Brian @ 03/20/2004 02:55 PM EST

Welcome back Vox! We MISSED ya!
Brian

Posted by Brian @ 03/20/2004 02:56 PM EST

well, well, well. voxfux has the tongue of a poison snake...and none of the charm. how can any of you take this fool seriously? his "analysis" has all the hallmarks of such infamous pieces of propoganda as "protocols of the elders of zion" and "mein kampf".

listen, folks: God gave you a brain; use it, along with your five senses and your conscience (you too, voxfux, if you have one; and if you don't or have just misplaced or obscured it through a long time of misuse and abuse, rediscover it before the poison you have spread comes back to you)

as always and with love love love,

misterman

PS james jesus angleton says, "hello".

Posted by jean fabuleaux @ 03/20/2004 08:23 PM EST

Thats nice jean fabuleaux(?), but if you took time to read through all the postings you'd notice we're not taking what occurred to be the only possibility just because vox wrote it. You'll notice a number of varying opinions and speculations about the Madrid attacks, some may be closer to the truth than others. Vox, I'm sure is more interested in stimulating these differing opinions being presented, rather than having a bunch of homogenous postings repeating his opinions. And since I'm on the subject of opinions, your free to suggest what he writes is propaganda, but my brain and five senses are all telling me your (purposefully?) ignoring all that visual, audial, and psychological propaganda shoved down the throats of everyday Americans day after day, not just by the mainstream media, but speeches by members of the Bush administration and their War generals. So you see my friend, that your post is a perfect example why most people in the world, including us Australians consider Americans in general to be the most ignorant and guillable people in the history of the planet. By the way, you realise vox and others with his "poisonous" discourse, are biting other people in the arse before if or when it comes back to them?, makes it seem worth it to me right?.

Posted by A @ 03/20/2004 11:24 PM EST

You can say what you want about Voxes style but you need to stick to the facts. So far what Vox said came true. Or did you forget about Voxes midnight article predicting the early departure of a certain type of democratic senator, from a state with a republican governer. Can anyone say Paul Wellstone!

Vox Predicted this the night Jeffords "Robbed" the Bushes of tripartite control of the U.S. Govt.. I read Voxes prediction and then a few months later, WAMMO! Wellstone got Wacked... er ... had a plane accident.

Since then I have been following Voxes writing. I think he's spot on on most of his assertions. What he said about Iraq came true. What he said about the economy came true. His track record is fine with me. He says the Globalists will be executing a preelection attack. How much do you want to bet it happens. Oh that's right it's the boogy man who did it...
Wake up.
Long Live Vox!

Posted by The Penetrator @ 03/20/2004 11:41 PM EST