05/14/2004 Entry: "BERG BEHEADING IS A US "PSY-OP""
BERG BEHEADING IS A BUSH "PSY OP"
Just in the nick of time, as the crusaders were going into meltdown over the outrage of the sexual perversions and torture photos of iraqi prisoners being released into the semiosphere, the word came down from up top, "We need a distraction, an atrocity, an outrage and we need it NOW!"
It's the classic "CIA, Black Op" it appears that The CIA arranged for some of their Iraqi musclemen (most likely Ahmed Chalabi) to cut off the head of what appears to be an American intelligence agent cutout for a staged atrocity, "made to order."
It looks like a "Sheep dip" operation. Berg is an Oswald. A patsy. A made to order, fall guy. A sleeper, waiting to be activated, this time as a sacrificial lamb to distract the comatose masses as they sit there and say, "Take my rights but protect my precious flesh."
Questions are swirling around the very suspicious activities of the CIA in the hours preceding the beheading of the 26 year old American.
There is also the question of the alarming, "coincidental," connection to Moussaoui.
The murdered man's father is coming out with a scathing attack on Bush claiming it's Bush who is behind the death of his kid.
And the message gets transmitted at different levels to different groups.
1) For the gullible non thinkers sheep they get the brunt of the horror and nothing more. For their brains are so profoundly stunted by the continuous "Psy-op" and the alpha state induced conditioning from the television. In the alpha state you forget about the coffins and rape. And now you react exactly in the pre-planned way and say, "See, Raping and torture is much better than Beheading, see, we're the good guys cause we only rape and torture, not like those evil terrorists who cut off people's heads... duh"
2) But to the thinking people, the people who are aware and awake the message is loud and clear: We can kill you at will. Anytime - anywhere. You'll be the next one in the orange smock.
3) Also the message to the antiwar movement (Berg's dad was supposedly "Anti war") is: "Watch out! We're offing civilians now too." (Although don't believe for one second that he was just a civilian. He's got "Agency Patsy" written all over his decapitated body.)
4) Apparently what the Freepers did was to get a list of anti war movement people and publicize it and create a hit list in essence and this kid's name was on the freepers list and he goes over there and get's picked up by US forces who later deny they detained him.
5) The Message is: Stuff happens to anti war people.
It's the softening up and desensitization of the human mind.
Gun's present in frame: Israeli Ak47 and a Mac 9MM
White plastic lawn chair identical is the same as in Abu Gharib prison torture and sexual assault photos.
Raising the threat level for those who can see it.
For those who can see what is real
prometheus (kid's company name)
The Neo Cons are bringing the terror to a new level.
They would of course have Chalabi's boys do the act.
It's got EVERY SINGLE HALLMARK OF A CIA BLACK OP JOB
1) It's got the bogus near certain identification of the hooded executioner as being "Al-Zarqawi" within minutes. A feat literally impossible for the CIA to do.
2) There was No Blood spurting from neck. Experts (Except the CIA "Ex-spurts") noticed the obvious lack of blood spurting from any neck artery which should accompany a beheading - There was none. (Major media fails to mention this obvious fact)
3) Looks like the same director who did the previous phony Bin Laden Video with the admittedly fake Bin Laden.
4) It's surfacing that Berg worked at the Abu Ghraib prison???????????????????WTF!!!
5) There is a Link to Moussaoui. Moussaoui emailed something from this kid's laptop. The FBI says: "Nothing to see here, move along." And the media doesn't dare talk too much about it. And they are going to try to tell the American people, "Oh it's just a coincidence that the so called 20th hijacker just COINCIDENTALLY emailed from this kid's laptop before 911. And the people who's minds have been so sadly destroyed by the effects and dumbing down of the Television, will accept that it just must have been a coincidence. (The thinking is: If it's got the swirling graphics and ominous theme music and read by some blond bimbo on CNN, we can feed these mental midgets anything, no matter how ridiculous - they'll believe anything.)
6) Berg has a mysterious Israeli passport stamp.
7) Berg has sensitive electronic equipment on his person that he has no paperwork for.
8) Berg travels the world helping the disadvantaged? Huh? What? Big Hmmmm on that one.
9) And just exactly what is a jew doing as a freelancer in the apocalyptic war torn Jew hating Iraq? Does he have a death wish? Is he mentally retarded? Nope, He's a US government agent - albeit a patsyesque one.
10) Bergs father smells a rat - he thinks it's the US Gov who killed his son - and not abstractly so either.
These are the working notes of this atrocity, look for updates as this story develops
Berg was absolutely positively murdered by the shadow operators of the US Government. It's in your face. It's a very dangerous time for the human race.
Get in their face
Dont have a shred of fear
Don't give in an inch to their Nazi tactics
Get off your knees
Open your mind
Wake up
and fight these bastards!
vox
Viewer Commentary: 84 comments
Yea, I smelled a rat the moment I saw the report of the beheading, I said, How Convenient!
Posted by d. reed @ 05/14/2004 03:02 PM EST
Nice analysis Vox. This one's got psy-op written all over it.
It's actually really obvious. Seemingly too obvious, as if they're saying, "It's us, we know you know, it's us. BUT THERE'S NOTHING YOU'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT.
We'll see about that.
Keep up the great analysis.
Be safe.
God Bless you Vox.
Posted by Activator @ 05/14/2004 03:17 PM EST
Those bastards are getting dumber and dumber. Who the hell they think they are gonna trick with this phony crappy video?
The Election is comming. I wonder what they are planning...
Well, keep the good work Vox, God bless you and best wishes from Brazil.
Higon
Posted by Higon @ 05/14/2004 03:48 PM EST
@Higon: What they're planning is clear -- install Kerry as their next puppet leader.
I'm fairly sure the Nazis want Bu$hitler's defeat, even though he served them well:
- Kerry is just as wholeheartedly Skull&Bones as Bu$hitler. The face will change, the facts will not
- Kerry has not yet ruined his international reputation, so when Kerry asks for help in nuking Iran (or Lebanon, Korea, Syria, ...), he has bigger chances than Bu$hitler. I know most European governments are part of the conspiracy as well, but at least around here, people would not tolerate the government supporting a Bush war. Now if it was a Kerry war.....
- "So the Republicans installed Diebold voting machines to cheat the election and then LOST? Hahahaaaa, those conspiracy theorists sure are nuts! And you still believe what those idiots say about 9/11?" -- expected FOX news commentary
- "Bush messed up, Bush got voted out. See, our system still works." -- expected CNN commentary
- Demonstrate that Bush didn't enrage the Arabs so much that they have somewhat legitimate reasons to hate the western world enough to become terrorists. The "terrorist" (CIA) attacks will proceed just as before, even though the enemy (Bush) isn't there, and the good friend and "Anti-War" Kerry is in power. "All Arabs are brainless murderers and terrorists. Nuke them all." -- expected FOX news commentary
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Posted by annoymouse @ 05/14/2004 05:03 PM EST
I say we do the same thing India and Spain did. Clean out all the Incumbents and put in a new government.
Its either that or revolt.
Posted by Paul Revere @ 05/14/2004 05:50 PM EST
I read on an atrios post that the Prometheus business founded by Michael Berg did not check out with the Pennsylvania records office...no way to confirm...
Posted by Luxe @ 05/14/2004 06:41 PM EST
Right on, vox. I could tell it was CIA right from the start:
-The same orange jumpsuit the US used for its prisoners was the first thing that gave it away. If these are rouge muslim radicals, what are doing with a standard prison issue uniform?
-The almost immediate (baseless) tie-in to Bin Laden. We haven't heard his name in a while. They are trying to get him back into the public conscienceness. And since when does Bin Laden have anything to do with Iraq?
-The timeliness. Just when support for the war is at its lowest, here's an atrocity to get people riled up again.
An obvious ploy from start to finish. Thanks for telling it like it is, vox.
Posted by psychokitty @ 05/14/2004 08:00 PM EST
It's so obvious that this is a psyop - it's like they're rubbing our faces in it (prison jump suit, filmed in the same prison where they torture Iraqis).
It's like when they wanted us to buy that Atta's passport floated out of the WTC and although it is made of paper, survived the fire.
Or that fatty Bin Laden in the fake video was Osama.
Is the real message that we can do this right in front of you and there is nothing you can do about it?
Like most of you, I go to a lot of alternative web sites. It seems as the public is getting closer to the truth, some of them suddenly are suddenly changing their pitch - some of your favorite sites could be disinformation sites.
Ask yourself who pays for some of these alternative sites that suddenly seem to be siding against conspiracy theories.
That's what I like about Vox - it's not always polished, but you know it's all real.
Welcome back.
Posted by sammy @ 05/14/2004 10:22 PM EST
I agree with the assessment that Kerry will win the election. They were going to let Bush win, but he's too screwed up, so they had to quickly discredit Dean, then have a skull and boner take the leadership of the democrats.
He will usher in the UN which is what they wanted all along - to create a UN police force and world government.
Any thoughts on this site that says Bush had a stroke? He does act like he's a bit brain damaged.
Posted by sammy @ 05/14/2004 10:31 PM EST
Arab linguists have said the man posing as the Jordanian Zaraqawi did not speak with a Jordanian dialect. Others have suggested the man reading the written statement may not have been a native speaker of Arabic.
Zaraqawi was missing one leg and had been outfitted with an artificial leg that did not fit or function properly. He was unable to walk or stand normally with his ill-fitting limb. No man in the group showed evidence of such an infirmity.
Numerous indigenous sources have said Zaraqawi was killed by a US helicopter attack months ago when he was unable to move quickly enough to escape the targeted house. While others managed to exit the house in time to survive, he died in the collapsed building.
As any surgeon will testify, the alleged beheading was a fake. A beheading would result in a tremendous amount of spurting blood. There would have been blood everywhere had an actual beheading taken place. When the executioner holds up Berg's head immediately following what is represented as an actual decapitation of a living person, there is no significant blood flow from the neck or blood splatters showing anywhere on the executioner. Furthermore, the cut was simply too neat to have been done crudely and with such amazing speed by a man wielding a knife. Anybody who has ever carved a turkey knows there is something wrong with the supposed beheading. The suspended head looks more like Berg had been neatly beheaded by a guillotine.
The orange jumpsuit was standard US military issue to men in custody. It is unlikely Berg would have continuing wearing a US custodial uniform if he had been released by the military as they claim. The fact he was still wearing the suit is both anomalous and suggestive. One is forced to speculate as to whether there was an immediate transfer of Berg from the US military to unknown persons, thusly preventing Berg from discarding his US prison garb.
Several of the men in the film were fat by Iraqi standards. If they were Feyadeen or mujahadeen, they probably have been living underground since the first days of the occupation. Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been shown on news stories as they have marched and demonstrated. One would be hard pressed to point out a single fat man among these thousands.
Some men had what can only be described as pasty-white hands. Once again, one would be hard pressed to find Arab men with pasty-white hands.
The lack of spurting blood suggests Berg was already dead at the time of the alleged decapitation. It is possible Berg's dead body was displayed with his head already partially or totally severed. In any case, he almost certainly was killed before the staged beheading. If so, it suggests the captors had no stomach for an actual beheading of a living person, and they opted to fulfill their assignment quietly and with the least amount of gore.
The scream that is heard has been interpreted as a woman's scream by many viewers. Videotape cognoscenti have further said the scream was amateurishly added to the tape.
The U.S. government translation of one statement made on the film is: "Does al Qaeda need any further excuses?" This is a falsification. The actual statement urged fellow insurgents to get off their hind ends and do something. One assumes the translator being used by the US military is a native speaker of Arabic, so this cannot be explained as an innocent flub. This suggests the US government wanted to inject an alleged al- Qaeda group into the murder of Nick Berg.
Iraqis who have seen the videotape on Arabic news broadcasts are universally saying the men in the film are not Iraqis. Are they saying this partly because the speaker does not employ an Iraqi dialect? Where does their certainty come from?
Firearms experts have stated the AK-47 carried by one man was a "Gilal." This actually is an Israeli-made weapon that improves on the famous AK- 47. Feyadeen and other insurgents almost universally use AK-47s.
The man in the videotape who is purported to be Zarqawi is wearing a gold ring. This is absolutely proscribed by Islamic law.
The US military has stated that Berg was never in US custody and that he had been in custody of the Iraqi police. The Iraqi police adamantly deny he was ever in their custody. On April 1, an e-mail from Beth A. Payne, the U.S. consular officer in Iraq, was sent to the family of Nick Berg. It stated that Ms. Payne had located Nick, and he was currently in custody of the US military. We have to conclude that either the email was bogus or the US military has been lying.
The chair that Berg was seated in during the filming was a standard issue military chair of the exact same kind as seen in a color photo taken at the Abu Ghraib Prison. The chances a terrorist cell would be using this same chair are minimal at best.
Posted by sammy @ 05/14/2004 10:42 PM EST
DEAD ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by BRIAN @ 05/15/2004 12:44 AM EST
State has no records of Berg's firm
R. JONATHAN TULEYA , Staff Writer 05/14/2004
Prometheus Methods Tower Services Inc., the business that cost Nick Berg his life in Iraq, has no records with the Pennsylvania Department of State.
The company that specialized in building communications towers never registered with the Pennsylvania Corporation Bureau, said Brian McDonald, spokesman for the state department.
McDonald conducted a search of the bureau’s online list of registered businesses, but found no matches.
The same search done by a Daily Local News reporter produced the same results -- several businesses contained the word "Prometheus" in their names. Only one is located in West Chester, and it is not related to Berg’s business.
Companies are not legally required to register with the state, but McDonald explained it is usually the first step an owner takes.
"You’d be very foolish not to register your business with the department," he said. "It is nearly impossible to exist without doing it."
Registering allows an owner to set up his business’s tax structure. It also establishes how the business is run, for example, whether or not it is for-profit or nonprofit.
"It is basically the infrastructure by which businesses are set up in the commonwealth," McDonald said.
McDonald added it is possible the business could be listed in the bureau’s records under a different name.
Searching the statewide yellow pages online found two company names containing the word "Prometheus" in Philadelphia. One is an Internet consulting business.
An employee at the second one, which is called Prometheus Radio Project, said it was not affiliated with the business owned by the local man slain in Iraq by members of al-Qaida.
http://www.dailylocal.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11650247&BRD=1671&PAG=461&dept_id=17782&rfi=6
Posted by what the?? @ 05/15/2004 02:14 AM EST
Although it is refreshing to see moraly thinking human beings here,there are just too many dumb, smug, fat, ugly neocons around these days. They love that Limbaugh fatman. I am disturbed by what I hear on the streets these days, self proclaimed reborn christians who think that these hidious atrosities are justified and even going so far to say "lets nuke Iraq and take thier oil!".I do not know what to do about this. I am an honorably discharged veteran who is ashamed of our country. I am not ashamed to say that I cry every night. My lovely wife of 20 years died last year from poisonous food additives, a victim of the NWO quiet war. Is this all that is left? A fat, ugly, racist country of sheep so afraid of the truth that it craves to get drunk from the blood of the lamb?
Posted by Steve @ 05/15/2004 02:48 AM EST
Nick Berg Video Was Uploaded From London, Not Iraq
Fri May 14, 2004 15:37
64.140.158.142
Nick Berg Video Was Uploaded From London, Not Iraq
http://www.jackblood.com/index/id1.html
JackBlood.com Has Traced The Address Of ‘Islamic Website’ That Posted The Berg Decapitation Video To London, England
The Video Was Uploaded From London, Not Iraq
After several hours of research, JackBlood.com has learned the web addresses for the ‘Islamic Websites’ that posted the Nick Berg decapitation video. The website addresses are www.al-asnar.net and www.al-asnar.biz . Both websites have apparently been disabled by 'authorities.' The location of the web server is reportedly in Malaysia. However, the addresses of the publishers for these sites are located in London, England and Nurnberg, Denmark.
The addresses began to disappear from the internet listings as we reported this development on The Power Hour Radio Show. Apparently, ‘Big Brother’ had been listening to the show and didn’t like the news at all.
The location of the publishers for al-ansar.net appears to be at an Arab Press Building, which appears to be shared by different Arab news publications. The name of the organization is the Arab Press House. The building is apparently the headquarters for news magazines such as, Al Jamilla, Sayidaty, and Al Majallah among others.
The London address is the following:
Arab Press House
Abdel Rahman al-Rashed
184 High Holborn, WCIV78P, London
tel. 020 78318181
The other address is located in Nurnberg, Denmark. It apparently belongs to a man named Omar AbuOmar. His email address is:
alansar_alansar@hotmail.com .
The complete mailing address is the following:
Omar AbuOmar
New Dream St. 33
Nurnberg, Denmark, 42114
Phone: +965.15441211
Email: alansar_alansar@hotmail.com
http://www.jackblood.com/index/id1.html
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Posted by ronn @ 05/15/2004 09:58 AM EST
It's Always great to see new content on your site Vox and I have to agree with you Vox. I had a funny feeling about this and no one was talking about it. Not even Wing TV, and then I saw this!
Excellent work Vox! What a nice surprise to hear from you again!
Goddess Bless you and don't worry, my Goddess is not bigger than your Goddess. :)
Other sites I appreciate are:
physics911.com (awesome info on 9/11)
addictedtowar.com (excellent videos)
copvcia.com (just incredible)
lightscion.com (what a find re cia)
democracynow.org (fantastic free show weekdays with Amy Goodman)
truthout.com (excellent resource)
bushflash.com (excellent flash animations showing the horrors of war and the lies of Bush)
markfiore.com (tongue in cheek flash animations)
gregpalast.com (one of the most important whistle blowers re: Bush & Blair)
infowars.com (excellent 9/11 and nwo resource, videos and more)
johnkaminski.com (talented author, similar to Vox)
whatreallyhappened.com (interesting new links all the time)
Resist the New World Order..
Drive your car as LITTLE as possible to help get us off this SICK OIL ADDICTION!!
* Fight the bastards!! *
Posted by Patrick @ 05/15/2004 10:59 AM EST
Yep, as soon as I saw it, i started to laugh. I thought I was watching another hollywood movie, allegedly it wasn't.
It was just tooo convenient, well, it's atleast a sign of desperation. The world is finally understanding what the hell is going on.
Posted by O @ 05/15/2004 12:00 PM EST
Vox: Again I ask, What the fuck are we going to do about it? "It's a very dangerous time for the human race." No shit. "Get off your knees." I'm standing, how about you. "Wake up and fight these bastards." Are you finally coming to grips with the fact that this is war? If you are, than you can FUCKING COUNT ON ME. If not, then WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT of all this? Do you think for a moment that they fear your words? Do you really believe that you can win this war with them? Is it not time to quit writing and start fighting?
Look, I realize that this is an uphill battle and the odds are stacked hugely against us. I am scared shitless. But I have a son and I want nothing more than a future for him - free and safe and secure. To ensure this, I would gladly give up my life. That's the bottom line. Do you have children? Do any of you posters have children? Are you not ready to lay down your lives for them? Of course, you are.
Has it not come down to that? Dean (the acknowledged front-runner) out, Kerry in. How the fuck did that happen? In the span of two weeks, that's how. You think there's a choice here? Just get the Bush gang out and all will be well with the world. Right. I believe I read that Mr. Kerry will vote to approve the theft of 25 billion more dollars that the Bushes require. Nice fucking choice.
I'm done Vox. No more postings, no more words, no more meaningless surfing. I hope to meet you in person in NYC in September. If so, than, perhaps we can have a meaningful discussion regarding srategy. If not, than I'll count you out.
They laugh at us, people. We are nothing more than a pimple on their ass. In order to win, you must fight. In order to fight, you must survive. In order to survive, you must have a plan. I have one. Do you?
Posted by john galt @ 05/15/2004 01:07 PM EST
This is crazy... but there is obviously some sort of scam going on. With all the media it impossible to have a bias.. they choose it for us!
Posted by Snow @ 05/15/2004 01:30 PM EST
Nice article Vox
Send Bush (aka MaBus) to outer space , b4 its too l8 to the humane populace
Just food 4 thoughts :
11/09/2001 - WTC Bombing
03/20/2003 - War in Iraq (555 days from 911 )
03/11/2004 - Madrid Bombings (911 days from 911 )
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06/07/2004 - ??? ( 999 days from 911 )(just turn 999 upside down & u got mark of the beast)
11/27/2004 - ??? (1111 days from 911 )
11/09/2004 - ??? (1154 days from 911 )(2nd 911 ??? )
Posted by Quizzer @ 05/15/2004 01:30 PM EST
resistance is futile. go shopping. get in line at a fast food restaurant. relax!
Posted by don @ 05/15/2004 01:45 PM EST
Has anyone noticed that Berg's
killers had one person with their pants cuffs bloused athe top of their boots military style and the one on the far right is wearing white tennis
shoes. Now where would an Afgani get a pair of tennies that look just like the ones berg is wearing?
Posted by billy bolony @ 05/15/2004 01:53 PM EST
Something wicked this way comes.
I find it absolutely amazing that so MUCH has happened with this ONE president than practically ALL of the others COMBINED!
I mean there are some absolutely BIZARRE things to have taken place
from the onset of his "selection."
How is it that a LONE American can be roaming as freely in this hostile, war-torn country (IRAQ)and draw the curiosity of both countries, be detained by both, set free, and later "beheaded"?
I guess we should also ask ourselves how ONE American (Hamil), who was kidnapped by men of the same mentality as these
"madmen", managed to escape and conveniently run into an American unit.
Hmmm...ONE man, no specialized training, no idea where he was or where he'd be escaping TO, but nonetheless the desire to escape.
Hmmm...I wonder how many kidnappers were "guarding" him in the first place.
Hadn't they been killing their hostages rather quickly when they were snatching them up?
Wonder why HE wasn't killed as quickly.
What exactly does the government DO to those who are released, rescued, escape, and are otherwise
back in the "hands" of American officials?
How good are the chances that some
mind altering techniques have been
induced in some of these cases?
I don't know how familiar others are with Middle Eastern people, but look at the body language of the hooded men.
Does any of it strike you as "odd"?
Although it isn't impossible, they are a people who are small framed and very erect in their stance.
They don't "slouch" or otherwise display a lazy or lackluster demeanor.
They are very proud and rigid people who are usually erect, alert, and direct in their presence.
Look at how "pale/white" their skin appears to be in this video. I don't know about y'all, but the pictures that I've seen and the
people whom I've come to know (of the Middle Eastern countries) have yet to be as "light skinned" as some of these men appear to be.
I don't know that Nick Berg was an operative of the DARK SECTOR of the CIA/FBI or any other renegade faction of this administration, but some peculiar things sure have happened and are coming to light.
It appears that he might have been caught in the wrong place at the wrong time and conveniently aided this administration in pulling off another SMOKE and MIRRORS campaign.
This could very easily be the case with Hamil, but that's what I'm trying to convey...things have just been TOO convenient.
Posted by UtterlyAmazed @ 05/15/2004 02:55 PM EST
http://www.jackblood.com/index/id1.html
Address of 'Islamic website' that posted Berg video traced to London
"JackBlood.com has traced the address of 'Islamic Website' that posted the Berg decapitation video to London, England --...JackBlood.com has learned the web addresses for the 'Islamic Websites' that posted the Nick Berg decapitation video. The website addresses are www.al-asnar.net and www.al-asnar.biz. Both websites have apparently been disabled by 'authorities.' The location of the web server is reportedly in Malaysia. However, the addresses of the publishers for these sites are located in London, England and Nurnberg, Denmark. ...The London address is the following:"
www.al-ansar.net
Arab Press House
Abdel Rahman al-Rashed
184 High Holborn, WCIV78P, London
tel. 020 78318181
Posted by Johnny Asia @ 05/15/2004 03:38 PM EST
Compare the AP photo of the high security section of Abu Ghraib prison :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3708157.stm
with the pic of Berg sitting on the chair. Look at the color of the walls.
Posted by Johnny Asia @ 05/15/2004 03:39 PM EST
Compare the AP photo of the high security section of Abu Ghraib prison :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3708157.stm
with the pic of Berg sitting on the chair. Look at the color of the walls.
Posted by Johnny Asia @ 05/15/2004 03:42 PM EST
someone[unknown] at http://www.the-son-of-god.com website reckons Vox is a disinfo agent...put him right guys!
Posted by swivel @ 05/15/2004 04:43 PM EST
Also i post alot on a financial message board called http://www.advfn ...alot of intense debate about Bush,Blair,9/11 etc...you get quite alot of zionists posting on here and you may get the odd death threat from a masonic prat...hit 'em guys!
Posted by swivel @ 05/15/2004 04:52 PM EST
Also i post alot on a financial message board called http://www.advfn.com ...alot of intense debate about Bush,Blair,9/11 etc...you get quite alot of zionists posting on here and you may get the odd death threat from a masonic prat...hit 'em guys!
Posted by swivel @ 05/15/2004 04:53 PM EST
9/11 and October Surprise scandal.
Google and type in "Operation Ringwind"
Posted by David Howard @ 05/15/2004 06:16 PM EST
9/11 and October Surprise scandal.
Google and type in "Operation Ringwind"
Posted by David Howard @ 05/15/2004 06:18 PM EST
The Beheading is a digital fake notice the shadow around the head the whole time much like the famous JFK patsy picture Oswald picture showing him with rifle.
Be carefull its just a distraction from what is happening and a prelude to what is coming. Psy-op job.
Save your water and start stocking up something bad is coming and it will happen unexpectedly.
God bless America but most of all its people who stand for truth and justice.
One Nation Under Guard
Posted by Nemesis Nemesis @ 05/15/2004 07:05 PM EST
The Beheading is a digital fake notice the shadow around the head the whole time much like the famous JFK patsy picture Oswald picture showing him with rifle.
Be carefull its just a distraction from what is happening and a prelude to what is coming. Psy-op job.
Save your water and start stocking up something bad is coming and it will happen unexpectedly.
God bless America but most of all its people who stand for truth and justice.
One Nation Under Guard
Posted by Nemesis Nemesis @ 05/15/2004 07:06 PM EST
http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=7777
God, You Spoke To George Bush
How About The Rest Of Us?
By Jim Moore
Dear Heavenly Father:
Our president told us that you told him to take this country on a
crusade of sorts, to destroy the "terrorist" enemies, and bring peace
and democracy to the world.
Taking that as gospel, we allowed ourselves to be led into places and
situations that are not of our making, that are disastrous for America,
and that also seem to have no end.
But now, God, many of us are coming to the conclusion that maybe you
didn't speak to our president after all. And that this preemptive war on
terrorism was his own idea from the beginning. It was all in his mind.
But who put it there?
In a movie we have seen, called "Jesus Christ Super Star", the disciples
have doubts of their own and take up a chant that goes: "We want to
know, my Lord, we want to know", over and over again. Two thousand years
later, things haven't changed much. WE want to know, too. We would like
some answers. We implore you to tell us what's happening. We would
settle for just an inkling of the truth for a change.
Why do we ask this of you, God?
Because we don't believe the buck stops with President Bush or anybody
else in this world. The buck, Lord, stops with you. YOU are the
beginning and ending of all things. That implies, if I may be so bold,
Lord, a degree of responsibility on your part.
Yes, we got ourselves into this Middle East quagmire and must take most
of the blame, but Lord, the buck stops with you, remember?
So, with all due respect and reverence, Lord, we ask that you talk to
us, like Bush said you talked with him, and tell us why, in the scheme
of things, we are doing these evil and senseless things to other people,
as well as ourselves. Apparently you, Lord, are the only one who knows.
If you love us, as you say you do, can't you please give us some
answers?
For example, since Osama bin Laden the alleged perpetrator of the 9/11
tragedy, is hiding out somewhere in Afghanistan, how and why on earth
did we ever get involved in the killing fields of Iraq? We want to know,
My Lord.
Why, when you gave our founding fathers the intelligence to create
America as a republic we insist on erroneously calling ourselves a
democracy, and worse, trying to bring "democracy" to the whole world? We
want to know, My Lord.
Why, if it is true that we are NOT trying to build an American empire,
we insist on keeping our soldiers in more than 130 foreign countries
instead of leaving those nations and letting them take care of
themselves. We want to know, My Lord.
Why do we keep electing people who do things detrimental to America,
such as giving away the Panama Canal, sending nuclear technology to
communist China, propping up foreign dictators, taking away our freedoms
under the guise of "national security." We want to know, My Lord.
Why do our representatives go along with everything the Bush
administration says, without any real dissent, expressing doubt, or
asking hard questions? We want to know, My Lord.
Why have we allowed our foreign policy to be taken over by a bunch of
scheming traitors who do not have the good or interest of our country at
heart? We want to know, My Lord.
Why, God, did we go to war, especially in a hotbox like Iraq, without
enough soldiers, without much respect for innocent civilians, without a
post-war plan, and without an exit strategy? We want to know, My Lord.
Why, when our objective was to bring down Saddam Hussein, didn't we then
consider our job done and bring our troops home? We want to know, My
Lord.
Why did President Bush leave it to his staff to apologize to the Iraqi
people for the atrocities committed by our soldiers at a prison camp?
Then what prompted Bush to suddenly say he was sorry? We want to know,
My Lord.
Why does President Bush act with cross-purposes by promoting a
Palestinian state, and at the same time continue to send Israel $3 to $5
billion annually in financial aid and military technology? We want to
know, My Lord.
Why does this administration try to block the truth that comes from
high-ranking officials who blow the whistle on government crimes they
know all about. We want to know, My Lord.
Why are parts of this so-called American administration so devious and
secretive that it has become known as The Shadow Government. We want to
know, My Lord.
Why do we naively suppose that pouring more and more money into the war
effort, and getting more and more soldiers killed, is going to bring a
quicker end to a "war on terrorism" that can never be won? We want to
know, My Lord.
Why, when more than half our population is finally seeing the futility
of this illegal war and calling for an end to it, does the
administration continue to ratchet it up with more men and money? We
want to know, My Lord.
Why do we destroy buildings in Iraq trying to find weapons that aren't
there, then pay exorbitant prices to no-bid contractor-friends of this
administration to rebuild what we just tore down. We want to know, My
Lord.
Why do they keep calling our armed forces in Iraq a "coalition" when
America is furnishing 90% of the troops and money, and other nations are
already beginning to pull out? We want to know, My Lord.
Why is there no accountability for the huge flow of illegal aliens over
our borders, the exportation our jobs, our mammoth (and growing)
national debt, the failure of our schools to teach American values, the
desecration of our national symbols and emblems? We want to know, My
Lord.
These are just a very few of the many question that are bothering us
here in America, God.
Day by day, we see this marvelous land of liberty being slowly
destroyed, and our freedoms, our values, our principles, our culture,
and our sovereignty being emasculated and replaced by the mind-numbing,
freedom-absent, lock-step robotics of a New World Order.
The problem is, Lord, we see these things happening all around us, here
at home, and in our idiotic ventures into foreign lands, like Iraq,
Afghanistan, and other troubled areas of the world. And we blindly
follow this administration as it leads us into darker regions and away
from the light of what was once the symbol of liberty to the world.
Where are we going wrong? What do we need to do? How do we get back on
track?
President Bush said you spoke to him.
Is to too much to ask that you also speak to the rest of us?
Thank you, Lord.
"Published originally at EtherZone.com":republication allowed with this
notice and hyperlink intact."
About the Author
Jim Moore is a free-lance political writer and is a regular columnist
for Ether Zone. A list of works by Jim Moore can be seen at the American
Reformation Project website.
Published in the May 10, 2004 issue of Ether Zone. Copyright (c) 1997 -
2004 Ether Zone
Posted by ronn @ 05/15/2004 07:13 PM EST
"Is the real message that we can do this right in front of you and there is nothing you can do about it?"
Yes, vox is on point here: there were multiple messages long before 9/11 as well, like the Associated Press pieces naming the targets and methods of attack in 1997, which told any sentient reader that "whoa, these guys are counting on a stand down!"
It was so flagrant, so in your face, that when the second mention came a year or so later, and added the detail that the "hijackers" might actually be living on U.S. military bases, there was no other conclusion to draw: they are preannouncing their stand down as an open threat to those who will notice. They know some people will notice when they lie, and they have dealt with it: they threaten anyone who thinks, flagrantly and openly, and now everyone who wants to see it can see it if they try.
Thank you, vox, for making a point that's been staring me in the face since 1997. They have already dealt with opposition, simply by telling us what they intend to do, not even trying to hide the implicit death threat.
Remember Condi saying recently that "we think, we hope," that the "terrorists" took the wrong message from Madrid's reaction?
Posted by SourDove @ 05/15/2004 08:27 PM EST
Here is an Extract chapter from the holy Quran. I urge every decent, honest and righteous American to read this and seek GOD's protection from it's own country's "America's" Evil Governing Elite. It's not the american people at fault, it's obviouslythe Leaders/Governers.
This chapter tells the story of the "Christians of the CAVE" and how they fled from an unjust ruler and how god protected them. READ...
Sura 18 Al-Kahf (THE CAVE)
1. Praise be to Allah, Who hath sent to His Servant the Book, and hath allowed therein no Crookedness:
2. (He hath made it) Straight (and Clear) in order that He may warn (the godless) of a terrible Punishment from Him, and that He may give Glad Tidings to the Believers who work righteous deeds, that they shall have a goodly Reward,
3. Wherein they shall remain for ever:
4. Further, that He may warn those (also) who say, "(Allah) hath begotten a son":
5. No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. It is a grievous thing that issues from their mouths as a saying what they say is nothing but falsehood!
6. Thou wouldst only, perchance, fret thyself to death, following after them, in grief, if they believe not in this Message.
7. That which is on earth we have made but as a glittering show for the earth, in order that We may test them - as to which of them are best in conduct.
8. Verily what is on earth we shall make but as dust and dry soil (without growth or herbage).
9. Or dost thou reflect that the Companions of the Cave and of the Inscription were wonders among Our Sign?
10. Behold, the youths betook themselves to the Cave: they said, "Our Lord! bestow on us Mercy from Thyself, and dispose of our affair for us in the right way!"
11. Then We draw (a veil) over their ears, for a number of years, in the Cave, (so that they heard not):
12. Then We roused them, in order to test which of the two parties was best at calculating the term of years they had tarried!
13. We relate to thee their story in truth: they were youths who believed in their Lord, and We advanced them in guidance:
14. We gave strength to their hearts: Behold, they stood up and said: "Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and of the earth: never shall we call upon any god other than Him: if we did, we should indeed have uttered an enormity!
15. "These our people have taken for worship gods other than Him: why do they not bring forward an authority clear (and convincing) for what they do? Who doth more wrong than such as invent a falsehood against Allah.
16. "When ye turn away from them and the things they worship other than Allah, betake yourselves to the Cave: Your Lord will shower His mercies on you and disposes of your affair towards comfort and ease."
17. Thou wouldst have seen the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their Cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left, while they lay in the open space in the midst of the Cave. Such are among the Signs of Allah. He whom Allah, guides is rightly guided; but he whom Allah leaves to stray,- for him wilt thou find no protector to lead him to the Right Way.
18. Thou wouldst have deemed them awake, whilst they were asleep, and We turned them on their right and on their left sides: their dog stretching forth his two fore-legs on the threshold: if thou hadst come up on to them, thou wouldst have certainly turned back from them in flight, and wouldst certainly have been filled with terror of them.
19. Such (being their state), we raised them up (from sleep), that they might question each other. Said one of them, "How long have ye stayed (here)?" They said, "We have stayed (perhaps) a day, or part of a day." (At length) they (all) said, "(Allah) (alone) knows best how long ye have stayed here.... Now send ye then one of you with this money of yours to the town: let him find out which is the best food (to be had) and bring some to you, that (ye may) satisfy your hunger therewith: And let him behave with care and courtesy, and let him not inform any one about you.
20. "For if they should come upon you, they would stone you or force you to return to their cult, and in that case ye would never attain prosperity."
21. Thus did We make their case known to the people, that they might know that the promise of Allah is true, and that there can be no doubt about the Hour of Judgment. Behold, they dispute among themselves as to their affair. (Some) said, "Construct a building over them": Their Lord knows best about them: those who prevailed over their affair said, "Let us surely build a place of worship over them."
22. (Some) say they were three, the dog being the fourth among them; (others) say they were five, the dog being the sixth,- doubtfully guessing at the unknown; (yet others) say they were seven, the dog being the eighth. Say thou: "My Lord knoweth best their number; It is but few that know their (real case)." Enter not, therefore, into controversies concerning them, except on a matter that is clear, nor consult any of them about (the affair of) the Sleepers.
23. Nor say of anything, "I shall be sure to do so and so tomorrow"-
24. Without adding, "So please Allah." and call thy Lord to mind when thou forgettest, and say, "I hope that my Lord will guide me ever closer (even) than this to the right road."
25. So they stayed in their Cave three hundred years, and (some) add nine (more)
26. Say: "(Allah) knows best how long they stayed: with Him is (the knowledge of) the secrets of the heavens and the earth: how clearly He sees, how finely He hears (everything)! They have no protector other than Him; nor does He share His Command with any person whatsoever.
27. And recite (and teach) what has been revealed to thee of the Book of thy Lord: none can change His Words, and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him.
28. And keep thy soul content with those who call on their Lord morning and evening, seeking His Face; and let not thine eyes pass beyond them, seeking the pomp and glitter of this Life; no obey any whose heart We have permitted to neglect the remembrance of Us, one who follows his own desires, whose case has gone beyond all bounds.
29. Say, "The truth is from your Lord": Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!
30. As to those who believe and work righteousness, verily We shall not suffer to perish the reward of any who do a (single) righteous deed.
31. For them will be Gardens of Eternity; beneath them rivers will flow; they will be adorned therein with bracelets of gold, and they will wear green garments of fine silk and heavy brocade: They will recline therein on raised thrones. How good the recompense! How beautiful a couch to recline on!
32. Set forth to them the parable of two men: for one of them We provided two gardens of grape-vines and surrounded them with date palms; in between the two We placed corn-fields.
33. Each of those gardens brought forth its produce, and failed not in the least therein: in the midst of them We caused a river to flow.
34. (Abundant) was the produce this man had : he said to his companion, in the course of a mutual argument: "more wealth have I than you, and more honour and power in (my following of) men."
35. He went into his garden in a state (of mind) unjust to his soul: He said, "I deem not that this will ever perish,
36. "Nor do I deem that the Hour (of Judgment) will (ever) come: Even if I am brought back to my Lord, I shall surely find (there) something better in exchange."
37. His companion said to him, in the course of the argument with him: "Dost thou deny Him Who created thee out of dust, then out of a sperm-drop, then fashioned thee into a man?
38. "But (I think) for my part that He is Allah, My Lord, and none shall I associate with my Lord.
39. "Why didst thou not, as thou wentest into thy garden, say: '(Allah)'s will (be done)! There is no power but with Allah.' If thou dost see me less than thee in wealth and sons,
40. "It may be that my Lord will give me something better than thy garden, and that He will send on thy garden thunderbolts (by way of reckoning) from heaven, making it (but) slippery sand!-
41. "Or the water of the garden will run off underground so that thou wilt never be able to find it."
42. So his fruits (and enjoyment) were encompassed (with ruin), and he remained twisting and turning his hands over what he had spent on his property, which had (now) tumbled to pieces to its very foundations, and he could only say, "Woe is me! Would I had never ascribed partners to my Lord and Cherisher!"
43. Nor had he numbers to help him against Allah, nor was he able to deliver himself.
44. There, the (only) protection comes from Allah, the True One. He is the Best to reward, and the Best to give success.
45. Set forth to them the similitude of the life of this world: It is like the rain which we send down from the skies: the earth's vegetation absorbs it, but soon it becomes dry stubble, which the winds do scatter: it is (only) Allah who prevails over all things.
46. Wealth and sons are allurements of the life of this world: But the things that endure, good deeds, are best in the sight of thy Lord, as rewards, and best as (the foundation for) hopes.
47. One Day We shall remove the mountains, and thou wilt see the earth as a level stretch, and We shall gather them, all together, nor shall We leave out any one of them.
48. And they will be marshalled before thy Lord in ranks, (with the announcement), "Now have ye come to Us (bare) as We created you first: aye, ye thought We shall not fulfil the appointment made to you to meet (Us)!":
49. And the Book (of Deeds) will be placed (before you); and thou wilt see the sinful in great terror because of what is (recorded) therein; they will say, "Ah! woe to us! what a Book is this! It leaves out nothing small or great, but takes account thereof!" They will find all that they did, placed before them: And not one will thy Lord treat with injustice.
50. Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers!
51. I called them not to witness the creation of the heavens and the earth, nor (even) their own creation: nor is it for helpers such as Me to take as lead (men) astray!
52. One Day He will say, "Call on those whom ye thought to be My partners," and they will call on them, but they will not listen to them; and We shall make for them a place of common perdition.
53. And the Sinful shall see the fire and apprehend that they have to fall therein: no means will they find to turn away therefrom.
54. We have explained in detail in this Qur'an, for the benefit of mankind, every kind of similitude: but man is, in most things, contentious.
55. And what is there to keep back men from believing, now that Guidance has come to them, nor from praying for forgiveness from their Lord, but that (they ask that) the ways of the ancients be repeated with them, or the Wrath be brought to them face to face?
56. We only send the apostles to give Glad Tidings and to give warnings: But the unbelievers dispute with vain argument, in order therewith to weaken the truth, and they treat My Signs as a jest, as also the fact that they are warned!
57. And who doth more wrong than one who is reminded of the Signs of his Lord, but turns away from them, forgetting the (deeds) which his hands have sent forth? Verily We have set veils over their hearts lest they should understand this, and over their ears, deafness, if thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance.
58. But your Lord is Most forgiving, full of Mercy. If He were to call them (at once) to account for what they have earned, then surely He would have earned, then surely He would have hastened their punishment: but they have their appointed time, beyond which they will find no refuge.
59. Such were the populations we destroyed when they committed iniquities; but we fixed an appointed time for their destruction.
60. Behold, Moses said to his attendant, "I will not give up until I reach the junction of the two seas or (until) I spend years and years in travel."
61. But when they reached the Junction, they forgot (about) their Fish, which took its course through the sea (straight) as in a tunnel.
62. When they had passed on (some distance), Moses said to his attendant: "Bring us our early meal; truly we have suffered much fatigue at this (stage of) our journey."
63. He replied: "Sawest thou (what happened) when we betook ourselves to the rock? I did indeed forget (about) the Fish: none but Satan made me forget to tell (you) about it: it took its course through the sea in a marvellous way!"
64. Moses said: "That was what we were seeking after:" So they went back on their footsteps, following (the path they had come).
65. So they found one of Our servants, on whom We had bestowed Mercy from Ourselves and whom We had taught knowledge from Our own Presence.
66. Moses said to him: "May I follow thee, on the footing that thou teach me something of the (Higher) Truth which thou hast been taught?"
67. (The other) said: "Verily thou wilt not be able to have patience with me!"
68. "And how canst thou have patience about things about which thy understanding is not complete?"
69. Moses said: "Thou wilt find me, if Allah so will, (truly) patient: nor shall I disobey thee in aught."
70. The other said: "If then thou wouldst follow me, ask me no questions about anything until I myself speak to thee concerning it."
71. So they both proceeded: until, when they were in the boat, he scuttled it. Said Moses: "Hast thou scuttled it in order to drown those in it? Truly a strange thing hast thou done!"
72. He answered: "Did I not tell thee that thou canst have no patience with me?"
73. Moses said: "Rebuke me not for forgetting, nor grieve me by raising difficulties in my case."
74. Then they proceeded: until, when they met a young man, he slew him. Moses said: "Hast thou slain an innocent person who had slain none? Truly a foul (unheard of) thing hast thou done!"
75. He answered: "Did I not tell thee that thou canst have no patience with me?"
76. (Moses) said: "If ever I ask thee about anything after this, keep me not in thy company: then wouldst thou have received (full) excuse from my side."
77. Then they proceeded: until, when they came to the inhabitants of a town, they asked them for food, but they refused them hospitality. They found there a wall on the point of falling down, but he set it up straight. (Moses) said: "If thou hadst wished, surely thou couldst have exacted some recompense for it!"
78. He answered: "This is the parting between me and thee: now will I tell thee the interpretation of (those things) over which thou wast unable to hold patience.
79. "As for the boat, it belonged to certain men in dire want: they plied on the water: I but wished to render it unserviceable, for there was after them a certain king who seized on every boat by force.
80. "As for the youth, his parents were people of Faith, and we feared that he would grieve them by obstinate rebellion and ingratitude (to Allah and man).
81. "So we desired that their Lord would give them in exchange (a son) better in purity (of conduct) and closer in affection.
82. "As for the wall, it belonged to two youths, orphans, in the Town; there was, beneath it, a buried treasure, to which they were entitled: their father had been a righteous man: So thy Lord desired that they should attain their age of full strength and get out their treasure - a mercy (and favour) from thy Lord. I did it not of my own accord. Such is the interpretation of (those things) over which thou wast unable to hold patience."
83. They ask thee concerning Zul-qarnain. Say, "I will rehearse to you something of his story."
84. Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends.
85. One (such) way he followed,
86. Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
87. He said: "Whoever doth wrong, him shall we punish; then shall he be sent back to his Lord; and He will punish him with a punishment unheard-of (before).
88. "But whoever believes, and works righteousness,- he shall have a goodly reward, and easy will be his task as We order it by our Command."
89. Then followed he (another) way,
90. Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun.
91. (He left them) as they were: We completely understood what was before him.
92. Then followed he (another) way,
93. Until, when he reached (a tract) between two mountains, he found, beneath them, a people who scarcely understood a word.
94. They said: "O Zul-qarnain! the Gog and Magog (People) do great mischief on earth: shall we then render thee tribute in order that thou mightest erect a barrier between us and them?
95. He said: "(The power) in which my Lord has established me is better (than tribute): Help me therefore with strength (and labour): I will erect a strong barrier between you and them:
96. "Bring me blocks of iron." At length, when he had filled up the space between the two steep mountain-sides, He said, "Blow (with your bellows)" Then, when he had made it (red) as fire, he said: "Bring me, that I may pour over it, molten lead."
97. Thus were they made powerless to scale it or to dig through it.
98. He said: "This is a mercy from my Lord: But when the promise of my Lord comes to pass, He will make it into dust; and the promise of my Lord is true."
99. On that day We shall leave them to surge like waves on one another: the trumpet will be blown, and We shall collect them all together.
100. And We shall present Hell that day for Unbelievers to see, all spread out,-
101. (Unbelievers) whose eyes had been under a veil from remembrance of Me, and who had been unable even to hear.
102. Do the Unbelievers think that they can take My servants as protectors besides Me? Verily We have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers for (their) entertainment.
103. Say: "Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds?-
104. "Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life, while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works?"
105. They are those who deny the Signs of their Lord and the fact of their having to meet Him (in the Hereafter): vain will be their works, nor shall We, on the Day of Judgment, give them any weight.
106. That is their reward, Hell, because they rejected Faith, and took My Signs and My Messengers by way of jest.
107. As to those who believe and work righteous deeds, they have, for their entertainment, the Gardens of Paradise,
108. Wherein they shall dwell (for aye): no change will they wish for from them.
109. Say: "If the ocean were ink (wherewith to write out) the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted than would the words of my Lord, even if we added another ocean like it, for its aid."
110. Say: "I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your Allah is one Allah. whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.
Posted by A concerned voice for honourable American people @ 05/15/2004 09:07 PM EST
http://www.thereporteronline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11650730&BRD=2275&PAG=461&dept_id=466404&rfi=6
'“I would like to ask George Bush a question. I would like to ask
him if it is true that al-Qaida offered to trade my son’s life for
the life of another person‚” Berg said. “And if that is
true. I need that information ... and I think the rest of the people
of the United States of America need to know what the fate of
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White House rejects link between beheading and prison abuse
www.krqe.com/national/expanded.asp?RECORD_KEY[Nation]=ID&ID%5BNation%5D=4079
Thread of Abuse Runs to the Oval Office
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=18663
Bush Says There is No Connection
www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=1864520
Bush says Berg's killers are just trying to shake up America's will in Iraq.
Berg's death gave Bush an opportunity to stop saying sorry.
www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2566545
Political analysts said Berg's death might give Bush a little breathing room.
Mr. Bush appeared to try to use the beheading of Nicholas Berg, a young Pennsylvania man seeking work rebuilding Iraq, to refocus attention on the nature of the enemy the United States faces rather than on the continuing investigation into the abuses of Iraqi prisoners in American custody.
www.nytimes.com/2004/05/13/politics/13ABUS.html?ex=1085025600&;en=2886f1d95bb31a57&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
Beheaded Man's Firm Was On Right-Wing 'Enemies' List
http://www.breakfornews.com/NickBergEnemiesList.htm
Bush Condemns Execution of Berg in Iraq
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&u=/ap/20040512/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_berg_1&printer=1
The terrorists who beheaded Berg wanted to "shake" America's resolve in bringing democracy to Iraq, Bush said.
U.S. Denies Holding Beheading Victim
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040512/D82H53R80.html
"I don't think this administration is committed to democracy."
The parents of Nick Berg, the American civilian beheaded in Iraq, said on Tuesday their son might be alive if he had not been held for nearly two weeks by Iraqi police and they were angry at the lack of information from the U.S. government about his detention.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=NZZPLQCDN0JEMCRBAEZSFEY?type=domesticNews&storyID=5110381
I wish to add the observation that Nick might also be alive had the United States Government not abandoned the Geneva convention and sanctioned the use of extreme punishments on prisoners even before the invasion of Iraq began.
Rumsfeld Backs Iraq Interrogation Methods
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&u=/ap/20040512/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_prisoner_abuse_30&printer=1
U.S. Officials Failed to Protect Slain Civilian, Family Says
www.nytimes.com/2004/05/13/national/13BERG.html?hp
"They can detain him and deny him his basic civil rights of a lawyer, a phone call or even a charge for 13 days, but they can't get him" on a plane, David Berg said.
Almost 10,000 prisoners from XXXXXXXXX George W. Bush's so-called war of terror are being held around the world in secretive American-run jails and interrogation centres similar to the notorious Abu Ghraib Prison.
www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3566058&thesection=news&thesubsection=world&thesecondsubsection=&reportID=61564
Harsh C.I.A. Methods Cited in Top Qaeda Interrogations
www.nytimes.com/2004/05/13/politics/13DETA.html?hp
The White House and the C.I.A. declined to comment on the matter.
The five dancing Israelis arrested on 9/11
www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
...if the the Israelis had successfully framed the Palestinians for the 9/11 attacks then Ariel Sharon and his government would have had the perfect excuse to expel the Palestinian population from the West Bank and Gaza Strip because the citizens there would have been labelled as terrorists.
OCCUPIED GAZA CITY -- Israeli troops left behind a swath of destruction Thursday after their biggest offensive in the Gaza Strip in years, destroying a multi-story building, damaging scores of houses, uprooting hundreds of trees and pulverizing local infrastructure.
www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-palestinians-aftermath,0,7430227.story?coll=sns-ap-world-headlines
OCCUPIED KARBALA --Heavy gunfire and huge explosions resounded Thursday as American forces battled Iraqi militiamen near a gold-domed shrine that is one of the most sacred sites for Shiite Muslims. Thick smoke rose over the city center.
www.boston.com/dailynews/134/world/U_S_soldiers_militiamen_fight_:.shtml
Posted by crusader bunnypants @ 05/16/2004 01:29 PM EST
but why do you delete so many of the comments Vox?
there was some interesting stuff here - and now it's gone....
Posted by trustee @ 05/16/2004 01:46 PM EST
Repost of research by interprole:
VOX, in re:
"7) Berg travels the world helping the disadvantaged? Huh? What? Big Hmmmm on that one"
DOES anyone have a detailed time-line of Berg's life? His education [I've found four universities he is supposed to have attended so far: University of
Oklahoma, Cornell, Drexel & University of Pennsylvania]; his overseas "development aid" work, & his business career? When the story first broke, there was a
reference to his work in Ghana teaching villagers how to make bricks. Then all reference to Ghana has apparently been dropped.
DOES anyone have a link to a story where Berg worked in Ghana?
He was working in Africa as part of a Cornell University development-aid studies field semester? Or he was an independent backpacker? Or he was working for
the American Jewish World Service ["...an independent not-for-profit organization founded in 1985 to help alleviate poverty, hunger and disease among the
people of the world regardless of race, religion or nationality...[which] works in partnership with local grassroots non-governmental organizations [NGOs]
engaged in education, community building, health care, agriculture reform and economic development, and initiates projects to alleviate poverty..."]
DOES anyone know anything about the "American Jewish World Service"?
some tentative notes on his African work:
From 15 May NY Times:
"... In Manhattan, the offices of the American Jewish World Service were also stricken with grief. Nicholas Berg had applied to work as a volunteer with the
group and was scheduled to begin working on a water access project with a group from the Maasai tribes in Kenya. "He was an unbelievable person - highly
skilled, highly humanitarian," said Ruth W. Messinger, the former Manhattan borough president who is president of the service. She said that Mr. Berg's
great technical expertise, which included his work with radio transmission towers as part of a business that family members said he hoped to promote in his
trip to Iraq, was matched by his altruism. [...] "From the remotest part of the world, Nick's friends send their prayers and well wishes," wrote the
message's author, Meitamei Ole Dapash of the Maasai Environmental Resource Coalition, who, calling Mr. Berg "my brother" went on to described an earlier
visit the former engineering student had made to Africa. "Nick made friends with the entire community in the area, and was even able to learn and speak some
Maasai within a week," the message read.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/15/national/15berg.html
"...A few weeks later, Nick was off to Africa. He ended up in Uganda, a poor nation on a poor continent, taking soil samples, trying to develop a brick that
would not require water. He wanted to build communications towers, to spread knowledge, so that all those kids he was befriending might have a chance at
something better. Nick traveled to Africa at least twice, returning each time with only the clothes he wore. He had given everything else away. .."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25408-2004May13_2.html
"...A year ago, Nick Berg went to Kenya to do "about the same thing" he was attempting in Iraq - building the infrastructure, his father said. It wasn't the
first time he was abroad. As a college sophomore, he had gone to Uganda for an engineering project that involved making building blocks out of mud and
cement..."
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/8643817.htm?ERIGHTS=-9083002023562179340philly
"...Berg was admitted to Cornell University in the fall of 1996 and studied engineering. During the spring 1998 semester, he traveled to Uganda as part of a
Cornell program focusing on development issues. He took a leave of absence after the fall 1998 semester..."
http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-nick13may13,1,2999218.story
Posted by interprole @ 05/16/2004 03:41 AM EST
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and then there's the curious family business. A press report I read said that just before his capture Berg had made a lot of money. [I haven't been able to
find that one again]. But was the business owned by Nick Berg? Or by Nick & his father [who after all signed the ANSWER petition using the firm name as
organisational identification]
The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania has no record of registration of a firm named "Prometheus Methods Tower Services Inc"
http://www.dailylocal.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11650247&BRD=1671&PAG=461&dept_id=17782&rfi=6
"Around 2002, he helped start a company, Prometheus Methods Tower Service, with members of his family. The company listed his parents' home as its business
address."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/12/national/12berg.html?pagewanted=2&fta=y
"It is unclear how many employees Prometheus had. Michael Berg spoke of a "foreman" during the press conference. However, Nick Berg traveled to Iraq alone"
http://www.dailylocal.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11650247&BRD=1671&PAG=461&dept_id=17782&rfi=6
"...after returning to Pennsylvania he founded his own company, named after a figure from mythology: Prometheus Methods Tower Service Inc. He based the
company, which helped maintain communications towers, in a Lancaster County farm owned by Jay Scott Hollinger, his foreman"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25408-2004May13_2.html
"...Berg, a communications tower specialist who visited Iraq twice looking for work, never did it for the money, his father said. "The opposite is true... .
He lost a bundle of money. His company basically was in real good shape before he went, and not as good shape afterward...."
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/8643817.htm?ERIGHTS=-9083002023562179340philly
Posted by interprole @ 05/16/2004 03:48 AM EST
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and then there's the VERY curious case of Nick Berg's possession of Farsi literature and iranian currency; Israeli passport stamps, the admission that he
had been picked up briefly in January under suspicion of being an iranian spy;his reportededly expressed wish to travel overland to Kuwait [and enter on a
passport bearing Israeli stamps?]; and his mysterious activities in Mosul [the Mosul story has several versions. Just looking for business is one; Visiting
a long-lost relative is another [yet he had met this long-lost relative in Baghdad, during his first Iraq trip] Mosul may prove to be the clue to
understanding Berg's actions as it is the staging post for Kurdish diaspora conspiracies directed against the Syrian & Iranian states. And the Kurds of
Syria were very restive beginning in mid-March. Certainly a pan-Kurdish separatist destabilisation of the Kurdish regions Syria & Iran dovetails exactly
with US & Israeli strategic interests at that time]
a) the israeli passport stamps:
"...Berg later told friends he had been accused of spying — though it
wasn't clear whether he meant his accusers were the Americans, the
Iraqis or both. He told friends an Israeli stamp in his passport had
made the Iraqis especially hostile. Berg was Jewish, and his family
speculated that his religion might have been a factor in his
kidnappers' decision to kill him...."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-fg-berg13may13,1,6288280.st=
ory?coll=la-home-headlines
b) the espionage charge:
"...Once free, Berg returned from Mosul to his Baghdad hotel. He told
friends of his misadventure and suggested that anti-Semitism on the
part of the Iraqi police was partially responsible for his treatment. "He said, 'Hey, man, I was arrested,' " Infante, one of the hotel guests, recalled.
"He said: 'I was messing around, and the Iraqi police picked me up. They saw I had a Jewish name and an Israeli seal in my passport.' " Infante said Berg
had not appeared to be very bothered by his detainment. "He told me: 'Hey, it was an adventure for me. They treated me fine.' "Berg told Duke that he had
been accused of espionage. But Berg saw it as "fun," Duke recalled."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-fg-berg13may13,1,6288280.st=
ory?coll=la-home-headlines
c) in possession of farsi literature?
"...The Iraqi police took Nicholas Berg, 26, into custody on March 24
and held him in a jail that he described in the message as managed by Iraqis with oversight from United States Military Police forces. He wrote that federal
agents had questioned his reasons for being in Iraq, whether he had ever built a pipe bomb or had been in Iran. ...The next morning, Mr. Berg described
F.B.I. agents' questioning as amicable, but pointed. Among the questions asked, he wrote, were: "Why was I in Iraq? Did I ever make a pipe bomb? Why was I
in Iran?" He conjectured that their questions arose from some Farsi literature and a book about Iran that he had. Mr. Berg wrote that after four days he
was transferred to a cellblock that included prisoners charged with
petty offenses and suspected "war criminals."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/13/national/13BERG.html?hp=&pagewanted=all&p=
osition=
d) in possession of Iranian currency?
"...Berg arranged to call Mardam-Bey after he returned from a trip to the northern Iraqi city of Mosul to visit a distant relative. At 6:30 p.m. on March
23, he checked into Room 102 at the $25-a-night Al-Kalaa
Hotel, in Mosul's southern Guzlani district. "He seemed very nice and
extremely friendly," said Khalid Mahmoud, a clerk at the hotel. "There was nothing unusual about him." Mahmoud recalled being surprised, however, that Berg
had Iranian and Jordanian currency in his pocket, along with Iraqi dinars. At 10 a.m. the next day, Mahmoud said, Berg
left the hotel, saying he was going to visit friends in the eastern
part of the city. He never returned. In his room, the staff later found an Arabic-English dictionary and a book in Persian. ..."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25401-2004May13_2.html
e) possession of "anti-Semitic material"?
from AP, 13 May :0556 EST:
"...The Iraqi police never arrested the slain American,´´ he said.
´´Take it from me ... that such reports are baseless.´´Berg went to
Baghdad after his release and disappeared April 10. U.S. officials offered him a flight to Jordan but he was afraid to travel to the airport because of
ambushes along the highway. Despite the police chief´s statement, a U.S. official, speaking on condition of
anonymity, said Berg was detained by Iraqi authorities ´´for
his own protection´´ because his behavior in Mosul seemed unusual for a westerner. He had been seen traveling in taxis and moving about the dangerous city
without any escort, the official said. He added that Berg, who was Jewish, had written materials which were
´´anti-Semitic´´ in tone, the official said without elaborating. All that raised suspicions about what he was doing in Iraq."
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/134/world/Mosul_police_chief_denies_deta:.s=
html
f) overland to kuwait?
"...Berg's time in Mosul remains murky and mysterious. Dan Senor,
chief spokesman for the U.S.-led occupation authority here, denied
Wednesday the Berg family's claim that he had been in U.S. custody in
Mosul. Senor said Iraqi police retained custody of Berg for 13 days and "at no time" was he "under detention or jurisdiction" of U.S.
authorities. Yet the Mosul police chief, Mohammed Kairi Barhawi,
denied in a telephone interview that his department had held Berg for the time cited. Senor said that Berg was interrogated three times by the FBI while in
Iraqi custody and that the agency "determined that he was not involved in criminal, terrorist activities." In Washington, a senior FBI official said members
of the 50-agent force in Iraq interviewed Berg at the request of the occupation authority. "We did not find that there was any interest for us. He was there
purely on his own commercial, personal venture," the official said. "He was
picked up in a sweep. Right now, it is unusual to find an American
wandering by himself in that region."[...] According to the petition, a copy of which was obtained by The Times, the family said it understood, based on
information provided by the FBI and the State Department, that while Berg had originally been detained by Iraqi police in Mosul, he was later transferred to
U.S. military custody."
NOTE: "Kuwait does not admit Israeli nationals or any visitor whose passport indicates travel in Israel" - official website
g) "identity theft"?
The petition said the FBI had been involved in "investigating and
confirming Nicholas Berg's identity and to ensure that the individual
detained was Nicholas Berg based on a concern of possible identity
theft." The Bergs added that the FBI had recommended that their son be released from custody, and that the State Department had told them it no longer had
power to intervene or to bring him home because the son "had been turned over by the Iraqi police to the United States
military." Soon after Berg's release, a U.S. consular officer advised him to leave the country. The officer offered to help Berg book a flight from Baghdad
to Jordan. But Berg told the officer he planned to travel overland to Kuwait, said State Department spokeswoman Kelly Shannon..."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-fg-berg13may13,1,6288280.st=
ory?coll=la-home-headlines
h) the earlier trips to Iraq:
"...Just seven days after "Michael Berg" and "Prometheus Methods Tower
Service" had come up on that Iraq war ´enemies´ list, his son Nick
Berg returned to Iraq under the business name of Prometheus Methods
Tower Service. [...] At the time the list was posted, Nick Berg had
just come back from an Iraq trip lasting from late December to Feb. 1. He had reported no problems whatsoever with Iraqi police during that visit...."
http://www.uruknet.info/.?p=2668
i) first trip to Iraq: flew to Tel Aviv, then flew to Amman, then
enterred Iraq by road.
"Berg left the United States in December, flying to Tel Aviv and then to Amman, Jordan, before getting a ride to Baghdad..."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25401-2004May13.html
j) suspected as an Iranian spy in january?:
"...In his e-mails, Berg wrote of traveling to Diwaniya, about 110
miles south of Baghdad, to locate a radio tower to work on. Night had
fallen, and while trying to negotiate with taxi drivers for a ride to Baghdad, Iraqi police stopped him. "It seems they had reports about unknown Iranian
people infiltrating their town, and at night they can't see much of my face," Berg wrote on Jan. 18. "The police collect me and take me off to the
Lieutenant who is more worried for my safety than about me being an Iranian spy." After explaining his story, he was allowed to leave..."
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2004/may/12/051200314.htm=
Posted by wenz @ 05/17/2004 06:10 AM EST
A brilliantly erudite assessment (as usual!) of the latest wave of ILLUMINATI engendered shenanigans!
If the greater mass world populace were half as AWAKE; astute, and informed as you undoubtedly are Vox, then THE ILLUMINATI would already be FINISHED as a FORCE FOR TOTALITARIAN SUBJUGATION > SUPREME SOCIETAL CONTROL.
Still, their DAY OF RECKONING is inevitable, for as has been stipulated famously in the past, and reiterated here in the present: "EVERYTHING MUST GO!!!"
Posted by Mother Of The World @ 05/17/2004 09:56 AM EST
Alex Jones on http://www.talksport.net
within the hour
Posted by swivel @ 05/17/2004 05:14 PM EST
Is the man beheaded in the footage Mr.
Berg?????????????????????????????
Posted by Istvaan @ 05/18/2004 06:11 AM EST
Apart from all the clues in the video itself, the incredibly convenient timing of the release of this 'beheading' indicates its
psiops origins.
Posted by swamibaba @ 05/18/2004 09:40 AM EST
This isn't necessarily related to the posted topic, but certainly worth reading.
http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/story/9316830p-10241546c.html
Posted by Todd @ 05/18/2004 12:35 PM EST
Yesterday I nearly lost my job as a clerk in a grocery store over a button I had on which read "God forgive America" and a peace symbol. That same store, Shoprite, had put up a big sign last year stating that all of the associates were behind the president and the war. They are allowed to state my political views, but I am not. Customers complained about my button. Anyone know a good civil liberties lawyer? I'd love to use this situation to bring a lot of issues to the local media here in Eastern Pa. I told my boss that I could not morally agree to stop speaking up against the war, no matter how many customers complain about me. For every one who complains, 10 agree with me. I told him we are in danger of losing our country to a fascist dictatorship. He told me to stop preaching to him and gave me my last warning. I say, "give me liberty, or give me a ticket out of here quick". Holly
Hello Holly
I am sorry to hear of the world of pigs around you who are active instruments of these republican thugs.
You might want to contact, the Center for Constitutional Rights and talk to someone there. Also call into the Alex Jones show and talk about there as well. It is a hard time for the truth speakers. And any civil rights lawyers are up to their neck in cases just like yours. I believe that a legal course of action is your best direction at this point. But you have to have witnesses and a case. If you can prove that you were fired for political reasons in front of a jury of thirteen of these people who agree with you, you might be able seek damages. Suing these DUMB FAT REPUBLICAN SCUMBAGS is the best way to make these DUMB FAT IGNORANT VIOLENT REPUBLICAN SCUMBAGS to watch their slimy step. I detest these pigs.
Best wishes
vox
Posted by Holly @ 05/18/2004 01:48 PM EST
Actually, Berg had partner ties to the man who did the propaganda campaign on Fox and Clear Channel. He was the one who said had had family members killed...Berg had a Koran and what they called anti-semitic material with him. He was detained for 13(illuminati number) days. This story was I believe int he Philadelphia Enquirer. Perhaps it was not Berg. Now I feel sorry for Jewish people, and stuff. You know the drill.
Posted by jik @ 05/18/2004 03:13 PM EST
Vox: All reports I have read state that Berg was not anti-war but actually pro-war. So this would negate your "watch out anti war people" point. I agree with many of your other points. Werent those hooded men a little chubby to be war ridden Iraqis?
Posted by KK @ 05/18/2004 05:21 PM EST
the subtext to a lot of what's in the news lately seems to be, "another 9/11 is coming".
Posted by victor was right @ 05/18/2004 08:32 PM EST
Vox, why did you delete my post and others? I enjoy reading them and recognise a lot of effort goes into some of the thoughts people post.
What do people think about Michael Moore? He always seemed a bit mainstream to me, but a 25 minute ovation at Cannes - I'm looking forward to seeing that movie. If it comes up before the election, it could crush Bush.
If Bush isn't a contender, then maybe Nader has a chance?
I sure can't get excited to vote Skull and Bones.
Posted by sammy @ 05/18/2004 11:13 PM EST
http://poopsmith5.tripod.com/newpics/freepers.jpg
Posted by al @ 05/19/2004 12:13 AM EST
lol, your all over it vox. nice to see that sheep are not all thats left.
Posted by Rooster @ 05/19/2004 03:30 AM EST
ALL THE PROOF YOU'LL EVER NEED IS RIGHT HERE:
The scarves worn, AND the manner in which they are tied, are ALWAYS related to region and "family". Each pattern, tuck, and fold is precise, and tells other Arabs where the wearer was born/raised. My friend insists that the scarves worn in the video were donned and tied by people who have no clue. By people who believe Arabs just toss any old thing on their heads and tie it however they can get it to stay secure. And the only people he's ever seen do that were American soldiers in Beirut, and American actors in movies.
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=55312;show_parent=1
Posted by Teotl @ 05/19/2004 06:36 AM EST
when i first watched the video, i did so with the sound OFF. the very first thing i noticed was the LACK OF BLOOD.
if you recall, in the 80's, Clint Malarchuk (goalie of Buffalo Sabres) got a 6-8 inch gash across his throat and there was blood everywhere!
not so in the Berg video. there was very little blood for him to be alive when the sawed his head off.
oh, did you also notice the GOLD ring on one of the 'muslims?' gee - i dunno - for a muslim fundamental extremeist to wear gold didn't add up to their religious 'conviction(s).' the one in video didn't fit the description of one. hell, their faces were covered ... it may have well been a CIA protoge!
sniff deep and smell the smoke all over the SATANIC US Govt.
Posted by John Doe @ 05/19/2004 09:07 AM EST
http://www.lewisnews.com/article.asp?ID=80285
'In the mouth of madness' As mass insanity grips the world, people
of principle remain silent
Posted on: 5/19/2004 9:20:00 AM - Columnist
By John Kaminski
skylax@comcast.net
And if you read between the lines you'd know that I'm just trying
to understand the feelings that you lack. I never thought I could feel
this way and I've got to say that I just don't get it. I don't know
where we went wrong but the feeling's gone and I just can't get it back!
- Gordon Lightfoot
A lot of you have been asking why I haven't written anything
lately.
My jaw dropped about three weeks ago and damn few words have come
out of my mouth ever since. Mostly I've been asking for food, lots of
food. And watching a lot of movies, the black and white ones, film noir,
trying to pretend I don't live in this world of 2004. I think this is
what many people do when they reach a certain age, when current events
overtake them and they can't cope with it, and try to take refuge in the
past.
But let's face it. I can't cope with this reality. It's more than
I can handle. The best phrase to describe it? Incredulous stupefaction.
My head just wags back and forth involuntarily these days.
Some of my friends say I simply read too much bad news. Since the
9/11 deception, there's been anthrax, Afghanistan, Patriot Act, and
Iraq, to list the major chapters that go along with perhaps the worst of
all the atrocities, that neverending story about the mass murder of the
Palestinians that the world seems so good at ignoring. And I've been
writing about all this ceaselessly for the past couple of years. And I
don't mean to demean all those wonderful people who have written to me
in appreciative support, but hell, there are six billion people in the
world, and most of them are not listening, or doing anything
constructive to stop this juggernaut of carnage that is really the
world's dominant moneymaking operation.
Strife makes money for the rich losers who foment it. And it's
getting me down to the point of speechlessness.
What hope exists if people who profess to adhere to the principles
of the good life remain silent?
For me, this recent paralysis really began with the Abu Ghairab
prison revelations. Attaching that poor Iraqi man to electrical wires.
That's a photograph that ranks with Jack Ruby plugging Lee Harvey
Oswald, with the Challenger explosion, with that little naked Vietnamese
girl running screaming from napalm in the ranks of the most famous
pictures in American history. Any American that doesn't feel an
overwhelming sense of shame is a complete sociopath. Unfortunately, it
would seem that a majority of the American populace - as well as
virtually all its leaders - are exactly that: mealymouthed chickenshit
perverted immoral sadistic sociopaths. And many of them carry holy books
and insist these atrocities are justified.
If the objective of the great Zionist Illuminati Masonic
conspiracy is to completelty demoralize Americans, the prison scandal
was the thing that did it for me. And I'm not one who has exactly tried
to hide his head in the sand over time. I've tried to deal with all the
facts in a forthright way.
9/11 was an inside job covered up by politicians we elected and
media we read every day.
The anthrax attacks came from our own government, but no one was
prosecuted.
The Patriot Act was a clearly provable act of treason in which
virtually all of our Congress participated.
Afghanistan was target practice on hapless nomads to reestablish
the drug trade that is run by the CIA.
And Iraq. Poor Iraq. The American presence in Iraq is what? What
do you want to call it?
A deliberate attempt to show the world what will happen to it if
it opposes American financial totalitarianism? Your residents will be
shot down in cold blood. Those who survive will be stripped naked and
raped if they're female, humiliated if they're male. Ghoulish American
soldiers will trifle with the corpses of your relatives and make
photographs to send home to their friends to prove they're insane.
America robbed Iraq of everything it had, its riches, its dignity,
its health, its future. This is the real message America is sending to
the world. If the rest of the world doesn't stop America in its tracks,
right now, the world has no future. Or, the future it has will be the
rubble of the Gaza strip and the makeshift cemeteries of Fallujah.
Imagine. Turning Yankee Stadium into a giant makeshift cemetery.
That's what real people - husbands and moms and orphaned children - are
contemplating today in Fallujah. The brave people of Fallujah who
repulsed the great American war machine.
And then the images of Abu Ghraib and the new American gulag that
stretches around the world return. These prisoners have no rights and
face torture, even though their captors know they are innocent. This is
the new (?) American way, a disgusting reality that most Americans
refuse to face.
It is one thing to pretend you don't know American prosperity has
been gained by the exploitation of millions of Third World peasants. It
is quite another thing to know that the American military practices a
policy of torture and indiscriminate murder everywhere in the world.
And so, like me, Americans turn away from the psychotic spectacle,
unable to cope with it.
But we all ought to think twice about doing this, about not facing
the reality of what is happening now. Because if we turn away from this,
we're only inviting the same sick thugs to do the same sick stuff to us.
If we leave George W. Bush in charge - or for that matter, if we
elect John Kerry - we guarantee that we all will be prisoners in Abu
Ghraib prison, in one stark form or another.
The paradigm is, of course, Nick Berg. There are so many questions
about that sorry beheading episode that an accurate analysis of the
whole event remains impossible. But what is obvious is American
involvement. The powers that be had this man killed to create a public
relations episode to take the media focus off its appalling torture and
murder of imprisoned Iraqi innocents.
Do you realize what this means? It means that it is now OK for the
U.S. federal government to come into your home and kill you because they
then will tell a story to the public explaining what a threat you were
to Homeland Security. If you think this is farfetched, I suggest you
watch the Nick Berg carefully video and contemplate your own future.
(Hint: you have none.)
Who will be held responsible for this horrific act? We know the
policy of emotionally devastating prisoners of the U.S. war machine came
from the very top of the organizational chart. We know that this stunt
was ordered by the same power freaks who staged 9/11 to cram a state of
permament war down our throats.
And yet we accede to it. What can we DO about it? we ask. We
pretend we are powerless.
In my mind, George W. Bush is already guilty of mass murder and
treason for what he did - or didn't do - about 9/11. As commander in
chief of the war machine, he must also take responsibility for Nick
Berg, a deliberate murder for propaganda purposes. I wonder if God told
him to do it, just like God told him to invade Afghanistan.
Doesn't it chill you to know that the life of an American citizen
can be squandered in this way, so cynically, with all the public facts
about so twisted? Please contemplate the chances that something like
this could happen to you.
And continue to ask the question: who is to be held responsible
for all these murders, these endless murders? Who do you think?
In my need to escape this bleak news-scape these days, I
contemplate a movie made more than a decade ago that, like all good
movies do, reflects what is happening now. It was called "In the Mouth
of Madness," made by that controversial Grade-B horror movie guru John
Carpenter. And it depicts a progressively horrific sequence of
inexplicable murders woven into a tale about some psycho and his holy
book.
The astonishing punchline at the end reveals that the people who
are watching the movie in horror are actually the same people who are IN
the movie committing the bloody murders.
You can imagine the wide-eyed hysterical laughter when the main
character realizes he is the person in the movie doing the killing. In
fact, if you watch the evening news tonight, and then go into your
bathroom and stare into the mirror, you can probably re-create the scene
yourself.
John Kaminski is the author of "America's Autopsy Report," a
collection of his Internet essays that have appeared on hundreds of
websites around the world, and "The Day America Died: Why You Shouldn't
Believe the Official Version of What Happened on September 11, 2001," a
booklet designed to be read by those who continue to trust what the U.S.
government is saying. For information about both, go to
http://www.johnkaminski.com/ Or, to read some more of his recent essays
for free, go to http://www.rudemacedon.ca/kaminski/kam-index.html
Posted by ronn @ 05/19/2004 01:26 PM EST
Is this site a "honeypot"? Is this site a trap to lure together all the those people who can see through the government BS, in order to deal with them?
In case not: Yes, this is starting to get bad. US attack on what is thought to be a wedding today. Keep watching the news. The neocons are gonna keep escalating this, day after day. They are agitating for an excuse to use Nukes. There is a cult of worship of Nuclear Weapons by a large group of insiders in this Whitehouse and Pentagon. They are looking to use them again.
I am worried about a nuke missile fired from a sub out around North Korea, aiming for San Francisco.
THESE NEOCON SCUM ARE GOING TO STOP AT NOTHING, BUT WILL CONTINUE TO WAGE TOTAL WAR UNTIL ALL THE ENEMIES OF ISRAEL ARE GONE. AND BUSH'S CHRISTIAN RIGHT PARAMILITARIES ARE LOOKING FOR ARMAGEDDON.
Posted by i an' i @ 05/19/2004 07:55 PM EST
Well its good to see that despite TV and video games that imagination has not attenuated the rampant imagination of the far left. Yes, i am a member of the right wing, not Republican, its worse - a christian libertarian. Someone Vox dubs as fat (i admit since grad school and med school i have gained a little weight) dumb (i would disagree being an MD, PhD) scumbag (what is that? it sort of like giving a succinct definition of what art is). Paraphrasing the eloquent words of Richard Murphey, "your worst nightmare, a libertarian with a degree" I just have to say that i am amazed at your views, I am curious to know who your ideal candidate would be for the presidency. It would be fun to quietly dismantle your overeaching house of cards on your assertions of 9/11 but who am i going to convince here. For example blood will spurt if you make a clean cut that removes the head with a single swipe, but if you choose to do horrendous deed with a dull knife and saw of the head, the blood from the four major arteries supplying the cranial structures is just going to strike the head that is still attached, and the spurting is not going to be visible on the film. "You can lead a horse to water..." Anyway, i wish you the best, all i can say is if you do represent the country and put who you want in office, this country deserves what it gets.
Posted by Josie @ 05/20/2004 10:21 AM EST
Well its good to see that despite TV and video games that imagination has not attenuated the rampant imagination of the far left. Yes, i am a member of the right wing, not Republican, its worse - a christian libertarian. Someone Vox dubs as fat (i admit since grad school and med school i have gained a little weight) dumb (i would disagree being an MD, PhD) scumbag (what is that? it sort of like giving a succinct definition of what art is). Paraphrasing the eloquent words of Richard Murphey, "your worst nightmare, a libertarian with a degree" I just have to say that i am amazed at your views, I am curious to know who your ideal candidate would be for the presidency. It would be fun to quietly dismantle your overeaching house of cards on your assertions of 9/11 but who am i going to convince here. For example blood will spurt if you make a clean cut that removes the head with a single swipe, but if you choose to do horrendous deed with a dull knife and saw of the head, the blood from the four major arteries supplying the cranial structures is just going to strike the head that is still attached, and the spurting is not going to be visible on the film. "You can lead a horse to water..." Anyway, i wish you the best, all i can say is if you do represent the country and put who you want in office, this country deserves what it gets.
Posted by Josie @ 05/20/2004 10:22 AM EST
It's all good and well some people dig into stuff like these and try to uncover the truth. But sadly, people remembers incidents as told with newsflashes by the mass media, and these you write here don't ever go public. It is a very, very small minority that asks the right questions at these times. Even if the beheading video may be genuine, it is good to have these questions asked. I do think it'a black op myself, tho.
Also: Nick being already dead during the beheading doesn't prove anyhing, it serves as just a side dish to the "why?" questions.
They may have killed Nick earlier than the beheading just not to screw up during the beheading. It doesn't tell anything about CIA.
Anyway, still I think it is a setup like most of you guys do.
Posted by Hepridello @ 05/20/2004 04:12 PM EST
The leftist mess and the Eurotrash of this world do not understand the struggle we face. In 15 years when France implodes into civil war with their 20% Muslim population
That supposedly cultured mess will understand the reality of the good-natured all holy Muslim.
Posted by Unknown Soldier @ 05/20/2004 04:37 PM EST
That Josie person just diagreed that he/she was a "DUMB FAT IGNORANT VIOLENT REPUBLICAN SCUMBAG" but in the same breath claimed not to be a Republican. Why identify with the insult if you aren't one? Hm. Worse, Josie claims to be a libertarian, and I cannot let that stand. You can tell libertarians by what they fight for. Just like Iraquis can tell the executioners were not Iraqui, because of their stance, their accents, the way they fold their bandanas. Anyway, libertarianism is the future of government, it may just take us a while to get the accumulated poisons out of our system. Bush and his neocons have handed America and mankind in general a setback of 20-50 years in human enlightenment.
Posted by Rand Fanshier @ 05/20/2004 04:44 PM EST
That Josie person just diagreed that he/she was a "DUMB FAT IGNORANT VIOLENT REPUBLICAN SCUMBAG" but in the same breath claimed not to be a Republican. Why identify with the insult if you aren't one? Hm. Worse, Josie claims to be a libertarian, and I cannot let that stand. You can tell libertarians by what they fight for. Just like Iraquis can tell the executioners were not Iraqui, because of their stance, their accents, the way they fold their bandanas. Anyway, libertarianism is the future of government, it may just take us a while to get the accumulated poisons out of our system. Bush and his neocons have handed America and mankind in general a setback of 20-50 years in human enlightenment.
Posted by Rand Fanshier @ 05/20/2004 04:46 PM EST
Neocons Rule!
Posted by Unknown Soldier @ 05/20/2004 04:56 PM EST
Neocons Rule!
Posted by Unknown Soldier @ 05/20/2004 04:58 PM EST
Neocons Rule!
Posted by Unknown Soldier @ 05/20/2004 05:00 PM EST
"Neocons Rule!" is the problem, exactly.
Rand
Posted by Rand Fanshier @ 05/20/2004 05:04 PM EST
Where The Delusion Starts
I Know y'all heard me say I never met a man that I didn't like.....Well that was then this is now....Malicious Stupidity emanates from a source.....[http://www.israelect.com/reference/Willie-Martin/Indignation.html] Misunderstanding this simple fact : that Israel is A people , a servant people who bring the Good News of the LAW to the whole world. The evidence is available from the World Almanac. And the Bible. Who are the FIRST World ? Those nations that over time exhibited "Western Christian" ideals. A manifestation of the Abrahamic Covenant. The Good News of the Gospel is in John Chapter 8. The good news is we don't have to be in [economic/spiritual] bondage to the a Cabal of Satanists calling themselves Jews, or Neocons....We can be free of their lies, and economic/spiritual blindness. We Can Know the Truth, .......They are the Synagogue of Satan...the Federal Reserve, The IRS, FBI/ATF/ADL, IMF , World Bank, The Bastard State Misnamed Israel. George Bush Identifies the Source of the Conflict; a delusion of incredible costly magnitude. "The United States is strongly committed, and I am strongly committed, to the security of Israel as a vibrant Jewish state. Israel is a democracy and a friend, and has every right to defend itself from terror," he (George Bush) admitted.[http://sg.news.yahoo.com/040519/1/3keiw.html] Israeli experts in torture have taken part in the torture of the Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib Jail
According to the Al-Manar report which was published on the first page of its edition number 673, The American forces killed 1400 Iraqi prisoner since they occupied Iraq and buried most of them in the desert, far away in the countryside. These prisoners died during torture sessions made by the torture teams, who cut parts of the prisoners bodies.[http://s023.dyndns.org/kawther/K20040519A.html] Barghuti is widely considered as the inspiration behind the intifada, or Palestinian uprising, against Israeli occupation that erupted in September 2000 and has cost more than 4,000 lives.
He, backed by a team of lawyers, has always denied the accusations, rejected the court's jurisdiction to prosecute him and accused the court of politicisng the trial as a means of putting the entire Palestinian uprising in the dock.
"I'm no more involved in these attacks than you are," Barghuti told Sara Sirota, who headed the panel of judges.
"One day they will be ashamed of the accusations they are levelling against me," said Barghuti, who arrived handcuffed in the courtroom.
The Palestinian Authority also denounced the verdicts and said that it did not recognise the court's legitimacy.
"This court is illegimate and this verdict is an act of escalation" in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Arafat's chief advisor, Nabil Abu Rudeina, told AFP.
"We are demanding the immediate release of Barghuti as he is an elected member of parliament," he added. "What the Israelis have said about him is only aimed at continuing the escalation and incitement."
[http://sg.news.yahoo.com/040520/1/3kfjy.html] Like any country, Israel has many fine and noble people caught up in this madness. There's the political Israel and the religious. Israel had jailed more than 800 reserve soldier in an attempt to halt a growing rebellion against military service in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. No, not all soldiers "follow orders" when it goes against their conscience. At least 2,500 reservist have gone absent without leave, while thousands of others have become "grey conscientious objectors" meaning that they have fabricated medical or personal reasons why they should not be called for duty. Yshai Kalmanovitch reports, Jan, 2004, "13 fighters from one of the most prominent elite commando units declared in a public letter that they are no longer willing to take part in military service in the occupied territories. In Nov. '03, it was a letter from 23 Israeli air force fighters." Israeli politicians and army-officials know that behind every soldier that is willing to openly and actively disobey orders and refuse to take part in the occupation--are dozens an hundreds that do it passively, using all kinds of different and strange excuses to avoid being sent. A survey of the Israeli public showed that about 28% of the public justifies refusal to serve. More and more voices are being heard, even from families that lost their sons and daughters in the war, are criticizing the Israeli army for sending their beloved ones towards a pointless death. For many it has become obvious that the terror attacks are the result of the Israeli oppression. One signer of refusal told Israeli radio that when he enters a house in the middle of the night and makes an arrest in front of the eyes of the humiliated suspects' children, he is creating the next generation of Palestinian terrorists. The new "refusniks" are not being led so much by values. They understand finally, the stupidity of fighting a war that can't be won in the name of wrong aims and values. [http://www.rense.com/general53/cantr.htm] Are the American People the Government or has a small cabal of neocons/jews Hijacked the Republic....and threatens the whole world with Terrorism and Misery...after yesterday can there be any doubt ? Live FREE or Die.
Posted by ronn @ 05/20/2004 08:57 PM EST
Did anyone notice the hooded person on the far left? ...Is that a woman? .....hmmmm ...if so ...would someone like Zaqawi or arabs in general allow a woman to be involved in something as serious as a beheading?
Posted by Way @ 05/20/2004 11:24 PM EST
Posted by - @ 05/21/2004 01:04 PM EST
Eric Idle on the Bush Administration: Fuck You, So Very Much
http://www.pythonline.com/plugs/idle/FCCSong.mp3
Posted by ronn @ 05/21/2004 02:30 PM EST
During this time of investigation of tortures and rapes, let's also not forget what transpired in Afghanistan in November 2001, shown
in the film, "Afghan Massacre: Convoy of Death" shown yesterday on DemocracyNow.org.
http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/demand/2004/may/video/dnB20040520a.rm&proto=rtsp
Available for purchase: http://www.acftv.com/
Posted by Pat @ 05/21/2004 02:51 PM EST
test
Posted by cia @ 05/21/2004 03:55 PM EST
l was suspect the moment l saw the video..for the very reasons stated above....Nothing would shock from this criminal Bush regime...their quest for power and control knows no bounds....Bush and his gang are not only liars but mass murders and criminals of the worse kind in America...I consider them traitors to the constitution.
Posted by silvertongue3398 @ 05/21/2004 07:57 PM EST
I don't understand how all of you think that the beheading of Berg is fake. There are comments on the orange jumpsuit being the same as those from American-controlled prisons (insinuating that Americans did this). I would like for all of you to understand that orange is probably the most common color of prison jumpsuits--period. There is a lot of name calling and accusing going on in here, but no explanations using evidence or proof. This all appears to be nothing but a bunch of unsubstanticated complaining.
Posted by Matt @ 05/23/2004 10:31 AM EST
Other than all of the above comments on the discrepencies in the video of the awful beheading of Nick Berg, as an Arab and as a Muslim, I would like to say that in Islam, when there is a beheading(which is very very rare and which I personally have never seen or heard of in my life time!!!), there are very strict rules and guidelines to be observed. For example, the beheading must be done in ONE swing of the sword (not knife). If the beheader fails to achieve this, he himself is to be beheaded immediately. In my opinion, this whole "beheading story" is nothing but another American "wag the dog" film. It is nothing but another zionist Israeli attempt to enrage the world including of course the Muslims who supposidally have executed this beheading. Zionists and Israel wish nothing better than to see a war between America and the Middle East. Their dream has unfortunatly started to unfold with Afghanistan, Iraq and let us of course not forget Palestine. Let us remember that one of the so-called "Muslim beheaders" was carrying an Israeli gun!! Let us also remember that a lot of the so-called "contractors" hired by the US army in Iraq, were Israelis. Let us also remember that the methods of torture used in the Abu ghraib prison are identical to the ones used by Israelis in Palestine! I wonder when the world will believe the Arabs when they keep repeating that Israel is playing a very dirty role in this war (and in others!!)!!! Who is the only country who is gaining out of all the mess in the world today??? Israel. The US has now guaranteed Israel's oil supply. Even if there is a shortage of oil in the world, the US must according to the new agreements provide Israel first with oil. Israel has received guarantees for more water which is hardly available on Israeli soil. how? Through Mr. Bush's ficticious "war on terror", Israel has consolidated it's position on the occupied territories of Syria (the Golan)and of Palestine (The West Bank). Both the Golan and the West Bank provide Israel with more than HALF it's water. For Israel, all Palestinians, and now Syrians are either "terrorists", "suspected terrorists" or "harboring terrorists" that must be faught as part of the "war on terror"! After all, who's idea was it to go to war with Iraq? Wasn't it the idea of the zionist community in the US?? Israel's very security is based on creating a constant conflict between the Arabs and the US. Israel does not want Peace in the Middle East because the day that happens, the US will stop funding Israel! The Middle East and America have always been allies, but unfortunately the American people have been tricked by the zionist media and the zionist lobby into fighting a bogus war for bogus reasons simply because of Israel! Americans have not only payed over $ 37,000 each in terms of taxes since 1948 for Israel, but they are now also dying in Iraq for Israel. Is Israel worth all that?
Posted by eco @ 05/23/2004 11:10 AM EST
You people are raghead loving dumbasses. Don't you see what vox is doing to you. He sent me an e-mail where he said that he was doing all of this just so he could get rich and drive a new Farari and Porshe. He told me in the email that he really likes Bush and you people are so blind that you can't even see that. Well I have hte photos of Mr. Voxie in his new Farari and he is laughing. If you e-mail me I will send you hte e-mail he sent to me where he told me that it's all about driving his new Farari and I have hte proof. All you have to do is send me an email with your name and address and I will send you the photos.
You people are suckers I have the photos.
Vox actually secretly supports Bush, I know this, You people are idiots. Send me your personal information and I will make sure you get what you need.
Posted by Accidenter @ 05/25/2004 05:40 AM EST
Nice Work Accidenter!
Together you and me should get all these lefties and shove a rusty pipe up their asses to teach them lesson. Wouldn't that be fun.
Just remember Mr. Vox that hte sun never sets on the Ministry of Information. And we will eradicate all traces of you so not even a memory of you exists, not even an entry in a diary.
That is the power we have - you'll see...
Keep up the good work Accidenter, you're my kind of guy!
Unknown Soldier
Posted by Unknown Soldier @ 05/25/2004 05:48 AM EST
Holy shit Vox
They don't really have very bright people down at the ministry of Information (Ah.. I mean the FBI) This cointelpro jerk spelled "The" incorrectly the same way in both Accidenters and Unknown Soldiers post.
Geez these guys are fuckups. They should sent these idiots to Abu Garib so they can fuck up America's standing in the world even more than it already is.
Posted by Kevin @ 05/25/2004 05:56 AM EST
First of all Let me make it clear that I did not post the Unknown Soldiers comments. The misspelling of the word the is a common typografical error. Everybody knows this.
And as for all you raghead lovers out there, you'll get yours. Remember I am a professor at Rochester University, I know what I am talking about, and I am NOT FAT Mr. Voxie. I am skinny. remember that I AM SKINNY!
Those prisoners deserved to get things put up their rectums because they flew planes into the world trade center. But you lefties - want to let the terrorists off the hook. Sodomy is too good for them. Instead of broomhandles we should use rusty pipes like my buddy Unknown Soldier is thinking about.
Or maybe even broomhandles like Giuliani's boys did in Voxies Home town a few years back. It's Giulianni Time!
I love being a Conservative Republican. I am laughing at you libbers.
Posted by Accidenter @ 05/25/2004 06:07 AM EST
Hey Unknown Soldier
Just do a search on Google. Enter the name VOXFUX. About 7500 Internet News sites show up that carry Voxes writings. (And it is growing every day.) That's a lot of work that you have on your hands "eradicating" all traces of Voxes memory. When are you going to eradicate all 7500 sites? Before or after you get through with your rusty pipe anal fantasy that you have spoken about like about fifty times on Voxes site?
You are one sick pig
I think you might be a gay sick pig
Posted by NWO KILLER @ 05/25/2004 06:24 AM EST
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2004/052504digitalwatermarks.htm
Digital Watermarks Prove Berg and Abuse Cameras Were the Same?
Alex Jones' Prison Planet May 25 2004
There are several postings on message boards suggesting that the digital
watermarks on the Berg and Abu Ghraib videos are exactly the same. While
at this point we have no concrete confirmation of this, it would fit
with other examples of how the Berg execution and Abu Ghraib torture
scenes are very similar. The contention is that Berg was killed by the
US military as a staged psy-op to distract attention from the torture
scandal, an execution blamed on 'CIArabs'.
The following is from a Yahoo message board...
Word is spreading around Kodak Park here in Rochester NY. And will break
on national News tonite that Kodak film experts have analyzed the Nick
Berg video and some of the Abu Grhaib Prison videos comparing them for
certain encrypted recording signatures.
Each video camera leaves a certain signature mark, much like a
fingerprint or striation markings on bullets in gun barrels. Same goes
for CD-ROM Burners, they leave a trace or type of Cookies on the
finished product.
These are tested by computer and not visible by the naked eye. Experts
here after lunch have concluded that one of the 2 video cameras used in
the Nick Berg "beheading" was also used to film US troop abuses of Iraqi
detainees.
THIS is BAD news for BushCorp., Military, and CIA.
The following is from another message board, written by Mark Perkel...
The news story of the millenium
Ok - so - the millenuim is only 4 years old but - this is still one hell
of a story.
Friday, new video was released showing Iraq prisoner torture. The most
important piece of information in this video is something that you don´t
see.
Digital cameras have been built to inclued a digital watermark that
identifies which camera took the video.
I am seeing messages on the internet who are saying the people at Kodak
who developed the watermarking technology have compared the digital
watermark on the Berg video with the new pridoner abuse from Abu Ghraib
prison and the digital watermark matches one of the two cameras used in
the Berg beheading.
If this is true then it means that Americans killed Berg at Abu Ghraib
prison.
We need a digital video expert to verify the digital watermarks to prove
this is true.
Anybody?
If anyone can shed any light on this matter please E mail us.
tips@infowars.com
Posted by ronn @ 05/25/2004 11:49 AM EST
