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08/29/2002 Entry: "Saudi's Royals to be Sacrificed Soon"



Saudi Royals Next on the American Chopping Block
Yet Another Old "Ally" to get the Knife in Back
by voxfux

Saudi's next

The signs are unmistakable - The Saudi royals have outlived their usefulness and will soon be sacrificed at the alter of commodity. It is commodity which has ruled every single geostrategic power shift in modern history, not morals. And it will be commodity this time as well which dictates that our “friends” in Saudi Arabia are about to get the US “Knife in the back.” (Couldn’t happen to more deserving folks - They represent one of the most repressive governments on earth.)

But the lie that will told to the American sheep to get them “Baaaing” and corralled into a pen of fear will be the classic textbook methodology of mass American population mind control - The Child.

The first hints of the waves to come appeared several months back - Unsubstantiated rumors of child sex slaves in Saudi Arabia started popping up all over the Internet. Mainstream media started broadcasting many pieces on the Saudi Royals, nearly all negative. With awareness building, the American people were ready for the next level. - Child Abduction

Well that’s it for the Saudi Royals, for sure - As soon as the powers that be whip out the time honored, “Child Abduction,” bit - It’s curtains for you. Bush senior used the same potent control technique - the semotics of child suffering -12 years ago to trick the American people into supporting his first oil war on Iraq. Giant P.R. firm, Hill and Knowlton was brought in to script the now infamous and completely proven fraudulent, “Babies ripped from incubators,” hoax which swept through the media and took the American psyche with it. all but single handedly stoked the American people into the war frenzy that ensued. When a tearful Kuwaiti girl (who turned out to be none other than the Kuwaiti ambassador’s daughter.) testified (lied) during a carefully orchestrated congressional hearing - That was all the American population needed to see (over and over again on CNN and every other government propaganda channel) to whip them into a war frenzy. It doesn’t matter that years later it was all revealed to be a hoax - The major media didn’t have time in their schedules to bother to inform us of that fact.

And so the principle reasons that we keep on going to war, year after year, prove one by one to be fraudulent reasons. Yet, year after year, these fraudulent news items, each more brazen and bold than the last, are like mind control bombs - Fear bombs designed to keep us like sheep - obedient and under tight control.

So now the new reason for the continuance for the bogus war on terror is to “Save the Child.”

But these same child abduction cases existed all the while our former President George Bush (the father) used his position as ex-president to cash in big time with the Saudis. Where was the child issue then?

Bad luck for any American parent who had a child abducted by a Saudi and approached the US government for help during this period of Bush feeding - While Bush was busy over there, selling out US security and sovereignty to the highest bidder (or as is the case of the Saudi royals - the lowest bidder) the US government would simply refuse to even hear any child case involving Saudi Arabia.

It’s no secret that our former president George Bush Sr, was a guest at the Bin Laden’s luxury palace in Saudi Arabia - and many other of the Saudi royal’s palaces. During his frequent visits, to the kingdom while engorging on each and every shady military, arms and oil deal he could get his fingers around - The child issue wasn't even on their radar.

There have for many years been stories circulating regarding a certain Saudi propensity towards collecting specimens of children for use as child sex slaves in elaborate child brothels within the walls of the many royal palaces - Child sex slaves selected from all the corners of the earth to serve the desires of the royals and a selected few VIP, dignitaries, heads of state and former Presidents. The stories bore the hallmark of a psyop masking and discrediting campaign. The stories were designed to look explicitly NON-Credible by appearing so blatantly authored by a “dissident” group and made to look overtly fraudulent. This is called the masking technique. (A common intelligence technique to discredit real yet damaging information by enveloping that damaging information within a cocoon of completely NON-CREDIBLE information, which has the effect on the propagandized subjects that all of the information including the damaging information becomes NON-credible - End of story) Any researcher looking into the story would find these few “Child Sex Slave” stories (reformatted to fit several different web sites) completely incredulous looking more like from a dissident group with an axe to grind than genuine news

It is stories such as child sex brothels which are the easiest to deflect attention away from, with such scientific techniques of diversion, misinformation, disinformation, deception - all of which are the speciality of secret forms of organization. To believe these fantastic stories, for many, is too much to bear - too horrific - so the able propagandist easily exploits this by playing to the tendency in each of us to seek harmony. By simply playing to the default predisposition in most people - which is to believe everything is OK - ignorance - the propagandist's job is infinitely easier than the that person who must bring the dirty truth.

But it’s becoming increasingly difficult to ignore the repetitive patterns permeating the highest levels of such ruling elite covert organizations. It is after all these same shadowy group of VIP’s, dignitaries, heads of states and future and former presidents who gather for weeks each year in Bohemian Grove and worship and perform rituals to a forty foot statue of the owl Moloch. Which, in Bohemian Grove illuminati symbolism, represents the god of ritual child sacrifice. (We don’t make this stuff up folks. Go see for yourself. In Google type: Bohemian Grove Moloch)

Now that inside business dealings with the Saudi Royals by ex Presidents is a little touchy these days, they have decided to include in a media ritual sacrifice, this latest repressive yet profitable regime just like they dumped the last repressive yet profitable regime when it too became too hot to handle - Too “unprofitable.”

From the Apocalypse
vox


VOX ACTION ITEM: American school children are now in desperate need of courses in their curriculum to assist them in "seeing through" the lifetime of media and government lies that they will be subjected to as they enter the "real" world. Courses in the workings of propaganda and how to spot it are now more necessary than mathematics because the indoctrination into a life wasted in an illusory government and corporate LieWorld is far worse than any other lack from any other course work these valuable lessons might supplant.

Viewer Commentary: 12 comments


vox
we have seen this comming along for a long time. the bush had been planing an invasion on afganistan for a long time .. the goal a pipe line .. an OIL pipeline .. then where do you think theyr gonna get the oil.... they want to grab it from sadam and the princes .... so that he will not run out on his reserve ..... plain old world domination sceme he his familily and all his little friends concocted. anywayz vox watch out and please O` please dont stop the quality reporting you do
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Shadow

Posted by AdedicatedSupporter @ 08/29/2002 12:44 PM EST


And the problem is that there is no one to fill the void except another authoritarian fundamentalist Islamic extremist group.

Posted by Ohoura @ 08/29/2002 03:57 PM EST


Very interesting reading as always. I remember a while back (I can't remember if it was on David Ickes site or elsewhere regarding Bush Sr's sexual preference. It was along these lines. I searched it on the internet but the few sites I saw didn't have the credible information I remember the first time I saw the story. There are interesting corolaries between ritual sacrifice and sexual predatory behavior. The worship of the Owl Molloch is indeed a very strange thing they all do at the Grove each year. There should be a more intense and concerted effort to retrieve detailed intelligence of the going's on in every nook an cranny of that illustrious place.

Posted by The Penetrator @ 08/29/2002 07:01 PM EST


I really am glad that you are around voxfux. It is very hard to take all this in. It's like I have a propaganda hangover, since I have been watching tv so long. I did realize that if you look on the back of the dollar bill. It says Novus Ordo Seclorum translation "New World Order"

Posted by The Professional @ 08/30/2002 07:15 AM EST


Bush left the party with a nineteen year old black boy named Brent.

http://www.tarpley.net/bush21.htm

Posted by crusader bunnypants @ 08/31/2002 05:04 AM EST


Saudi child abuse, rape, abduction and slavery have been known for many years. The "Princess Sultana" books, written by a Saudi Princess, helped bring all of this and many more abuses to light.

Posted by Reality Check @ 08/31/2002 06:27 PM EST


The Laws of Islam called SHARIA contain the most advanced and JUST system on this Earth. Man has never been capable of producing anything like it.

Ask yourself: Why are the New World Orded Nazi Elites so persistant in their efforts to stop Islam. Could it be that the Truth is their greatest enemy?Could it be that only ISLAM has the power to stop the Enslavement of all of mankind including both Muslims and non-Muslims?

The enemy of Muslims is the same enemy of Christions and all common people. As Shockwave said read a book on Islam, get one from a Muslim source so that it is authentic.
Find out Why the Elites fear Islam. Read the Qur'an; A book for Men and women of Understanding.

LA HOWLA WALA KUATA ILLA BILLA!- THERE IS NO POWER NOR MIGHT EXCEPT FROM GOD!

Posted by I found the answer @ 09/02/2002 01:37 PM EST


It will certainly be more profitable for this dark group of US operators, to attempt a direct power grab. Which is what Bush is attempting. Problem is - Bush is a bumbling goof - one serious dufus.

Bush just doesn't have the greymatter to implement any of Brzezinski's lofty geostrategic masterbation fantasys. End of story. There are indications that Possibly Bush himself is getting set up for the biggest fall of the century.

IntelQ

Posted by IntelQ @ 09/05/2002 02:04 AM EST


Osama bin Laden

KABUL, Afghanistan
Prominent Arab mojahed (freedom fighter) Usama bin Laden or the Al-Qaida group has nothing to do with the 11 September attacks on the Bush Administration, according to an Usama bin Laden interview with Ummat, the Karachi-based Pakistani daily newspaper. In his interview, Usama bin Laden pointed out that the Israeli regime is behind the 9-11 attacks. He expressed gratitude and support for Pakistan, urging the Pakistani people to continue their jehad against dictators, tyrants, traitors, crooks, criminals, dictatorships and tyrannies. Following is the text of Usama Bin Laden's interview conducted by a "special correspondent" and published in the daily Ummat on Friday, 28 September 2001. [The place and date of the interview was not given by Ummat.]

News of this Ummat interview was suppressed in the US. Between the time of its publication and October 7, the US apparently spent its time creating a fake "bin Laden" interview, using either a stand-in or morphing.

Daily UMMAT: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New York and Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are not involved, who might be?

USAMA BIN LADEN: In the name of Allah (God), the most beneficent, the most merciful. Praise be to Allah, Who is the creator of the whole universe and Who made the Earth as an abode for peace, for the whole humankind. Allah is the Sustainer, who sent Prophet Muhammad (saw) for our guidance. I am thankful to The Ummat Group of Publications, which gave me the opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the people, particularly the valiant and momin (true Muslim) people of Pakistan who refused to believe the lies of the demon (Pakistani military dictator General Pervez Musharraf).

I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel. There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya and Bosnia? Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United States are either rulers or enemies of Muslims.

The U.S. has no friends, nor does it want to keep any because the prerequisite of friendship is to come to the level of the friend or consider him at par with you. America does not want to see anyone equal to it. It expects slavery from others. Therefore, other countries are either its slaves or subordinates. However, our case is different. We have pledged slavery to God Almighty alone and after this pledge there is no possibility to become the slave of someone else. If we do that it will be disregardful to both our Sustainer and his fellow beings. Most of the world nations upholding their freedom are the religious ones, which are the enemies of the United States, or the U.S. itself considers them as its enemies.

The countries which do not agree to become the U.S. slaves are China, Iran, Libya, Cuba, Syria [Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Sudan, Indonesia, Malaysia] and Russia. Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed. According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the U.S. Government has stated. But the Bush Administration does not want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive. They can be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the U.S. itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups, which are capable of causing a large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the American Jews, who are annoyed with President Bush ever since the elections in Florida and want to avenge him.

Then there are intelligence agencies in the U.S., which require billions of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the government every year. This [funding issue] was not a big problem till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that the budget of these agencies has been in danger. They needed an enemy. So, they first started propaganda against Usama and Taleban and then this incident happened. You see, the Bush Administration approved a budget of 40 billion dollars. Where will this huge amount go? It will be provided to the same agencies, which need huge funds and want to exert their importance. Now they will spend the money for their expansion and for increasing their importance. I will give you an example. Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the U.S. secret agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance will be diminished. The people in the U.S. Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat. In the same way, whether it is President Bush or any other U.S. President, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks.

Daily UMMAT: A number of world countries have joined the call of the United States for launching attacks on Afghanistan. These also include a number of Muslim countries. Will Al-Qaida declare a jehad against these Islamic countries as well?

USAMA BIN LADEN: I must say that my duty is just to awaken the Muslims; to tell them as to what is good for them and what is not. What does Islam says and what the enemies of Islam want? Al-Qaida was set up to wage a jehad against infidelity, particularly to counter the onslaught of the infidel countries against the Islamic states. Jehad is the sixth undeclared pillar of Islam. [The first five being the basic holy words of Islam (There is only one God in the entire universe and Muhammad is the last Prophet of God), prayers, fast, pilgrimage to Mecca and giving alms (zakat).] Every anti-Islamic person is afraid of jehad. Al-Qaida wants to keep jehad alive and active and make it a part of the daily life of the Muslims. It wants to give it the status of worship. We are not against any Islamic country. We do not consider a war against an Islamic country as jehad. We are in favour of armed jehad only against those infidel governments, which are killing innocent Muslim men, women and children just because they are Muslims. Supporting the U.S. act is the need of some Muslim countries and the compulsion of others. However, they should think as to what will remain of their religious and moral position if they support the attack of the Christians and the Jews on a Muslim country like Afghanistan. The orders of Islamic Shariah [jurisprudence] for such individuals, organizations and countries are clear and all the scholars of the Muslim brotherhood are unanimous on them. We will do the same, which is being ordered by the Ameer-ul-Momeneen [the commander of the faithful Afghans] Muhammad Omar and the Islamic scholars. The hearts of the people of Muslim countries are beating with the call of jehad. We are grateful to them.

Daily UMMAT: The losses caused in the attacks in New York and Washington have proved that giving an economic blow to the U.S.is not too difficult. U.S. experts admit that a few more such attacks can bring down the American economy. Why is Al-Qaida not targeting their economic pillars?

USAMA BIN LADEN: I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We are against the [U.S. Government] system, which makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom. This system is totally in control of the American-Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the U.S. is not uttering a single word.

Daily UMMAT: Why is harm not caused to the enemies of Islam through other means, apart from the armed struggle? For instance, urging the Muslims to boycott Western products, banks, shipping lines and TV channels.

USAMA BIN LADEN: The first thing is that Western products could only be boycotted when the Muslim fraternity is fully awakened and organized. Secondly, the Muslim companies should become self-sufficient in producing goods equal to the products of Western companies. Economic boycott of the West is not possible unless economic self-sufficiency is attained and substitute products are brought out. You see that wealth is scattered all across the Muslim World but not a single TV channel has been acquired which can preach Islamic injunctions according to modern requirements and attain an international influence. Muslim traders and philanthropists should make it a point that if the weapon of public opinion is to be used, it is to be kept in the hand. Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done.

Daily UMMAT: The entire propaganda about your struggle has so far been made by the Western media. But no information is beingreceived from your sources about the network of Al-Qaida and its jehadi successes. Would you comment?

USAMA BIN LADEN: In fact, the Western media is left with nothing else. It has no other theme to survive for a long time. Then we have many other things to do. The struggle for jehad and the successes are for the sake of Allah and not to annoy His bondsmen. Our silence is our real propaganda. Rejections, explanations, or corrigendum only waste your time and through them, the enemy wants you to engage in things which are not of use to you. These things are pulling you away from your cause. The Western media is unleashing such a baseless propaganda, which makes us surprise but it reflects on what is in their hearts and gradually they themselves become captive of this propaganda. They become afraid of it and begin to cause harm to themselves. Terror is the most dreaded weapon in modern age and the Western media is mercilessly using it against its own people. It can add fear and helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the United States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot do, its media is doing that. You can understand as to what will be the performance of the nation in a war, which suffers from fear and helplessness.

Daily UMMAT: What will be the impact of the freeze of Al-Qaida accounts by the U.S.?

USAMA BIN LADEN: God opens up ways for those who work for Him. Freezing of accounts will not make any difference for Al-Qaida or other jehad groups. With the grace of Allah, Al-Qaida has more than three alternative financial systems, which are all separate and totally independent from each other. This system is operating under the patronage of those who love jehad. What to say of the United States, even the combined world cannot budge these people from their path. These people are not in hundreds but in thousands and millions. Al-Qaida comprises of such modern educated youths who are aware of the cracks inside the Western financial system as they are aware of the lines in their hands. These are the very flaws of the Western fiscal system, which are becoming a noose for it and this system could not recuperate in spite of the passage of so many days.

Daily UMMAT: Are there other safe areas other than Afghanistan, where you can continue jehad?

USAMA BIN LADEN: There are areas in all parts of the world where strong jehadi forces are present, from Indonesia to Algeria, from Kabul to Chechnya, from Bosnia to Sudan, and from Burma to Kashmir. Then it is not the problem of my person. I am a helpless fellowman of God, constantly in the fear of my accountability before God. It is not the question of Usama but of Islam and, in Islam too, of jehad. Thanks to God, those waging a jehad can walk today with their heads raised. Jehad was still present when there was no Usama and it will remain as such even when Usama is no longer there. Allah opens up ways and creates loves in the hearts of people for those who walk on the path of Allah with their lives, property and children. Believe it, through jehad, a man gets everything he desires. And the biggest desire of a Muslim is the life after death. Martyrdom is the shortest way of attaining an eternal life.

Daily UMMAT: What do you say about the Pakistan Government policy on Afghanistan attack?

USAMA BIN LADEN: We are thankful to the Momin and valiant people of Pakistan who erected a blockade in front of the evil forces and stood in the first file of battle. Pakistan is a great hope for the Islamic brotherhood. Its people are awakened, organized and rich in the spirit of faith. They backed Afghanistan in its war against the Soviet Union and extended every help to the mojahedeen (freedom fighters) and the Afghan people. Then these are very Pakistanis who are standing shoulder by shoulder with the Taleban. If such people emerge in just two countries, the domination of the West will diminish in a matter of days. Our hearts beat with Pakistan and, God forbid, if a difficult time comes we will protect it with our blood. Pakistan is sacred for us like a place of worship. We are the people of jehad and fighting for the defense of Pakistan is the best of all jehads to us. It does not matter for us as to who reforms Pakistan. The important thing is that the spirit of jehad is alive and stronger in the hearts of the Pakistani people.

- Source: Ummat daily newspaper based in Karachi, Pakistan -

Posted by There Is Only ONE GOD @ 09/12/2002 09:42 PM EST


You guys think everything is a inside conspiracy. Is it just possible that these jets crashed into the towers only because they were hijacked by Islamic terrorist who were just hell bent on trying to pay the West for supporting Israel . Remember the word Jihad, Theres a billion Muslims out there, and if just 1 percent are willing to consider terrorism as a command from allah then you would have 10 million potential kamikazis out there. The Saudis should have been dealt with a long time ago for the support of extreme Islam, the Western and Arabic Nations are not compatible with each other, war in that region will happen with or without the US. That backwards religon has forced Arabs to immigrate from thier own homelands to earch out a better life in the West but with them comes thier religon of hatered for Christians and Jews. They are infiltrating Western Europe by the masses (France is already a communistic and quickly becoming arab). You need to study the history of Islam from the beginning of its "revelation". A good book is by G.D. Newby called "The Making Of The Last Prophet". You also seem to omit Maybe China's probable invlovemnt in worldwide terrorism, read "Unrestricted Warfare" by Various authors, being sold at Newsmax.com. Truthfully your only hope is in Jesus Christ, the End is near.

VOX RESPONSE ANNOTATION: Most things that occur in Politics and Commerce are now the result of a deep seated fundamental corruption of our base beliefs in capitalism. So in short, yes it is all conspiracies. Conspiracies to make as much money as one can without getting caught for all the illegal and immoral shit they will be doing to get there. Capitalism is ruining this place for EVERYONE that much is absolutely certain.
Now regarding your question on whether it is possible that this thing could be just Islamic extremists slammimg the planes into the twin towers, the answer is no. Only US paid government "experts" and US paid media "experts" are saying that Islamic terrorists are behind thie attacks on Sept 11th.
ALL OTHER INTERNATIONAL SCIENTISTS, AVAITION EXPERTS, INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES AND MEDIA, SAY, IT'S AN INSIDE JOB FOR SURE.
Now regarding your comment about Islam being a backward religion - News flash - all monothestic religions are simplistic and BACKWARDS (Except Buddism - which is beautiful)
That's why Bush's are so steeped in Illuminatti associations, they are just playing lipservice to Christianity which is manditory if you want to have the sanction of the Christians in power suits as I call them (Creepy yuppies like Ralph Reed with power ties, power shirts, power slacks and power shoes) - I hate these fuckers. They are ruining the image of Christ - whom I happen to like.
No, Bush doesn't give a shit about Christ, why do think he spent the millennium celibrations at the pyramids of GIZA in Egypt? What the fuck do the pyramids have to do with Christ, my Christian friend? Illuminatti types only play Christianity as a sucker. And Bush is an Illuminatti type NOT A CHRISTIAN. (At least the father is and I believe Neil is - George is too much of a simpleton to appreciate the illuminatti rituals his father loves so well. Which is no matter because in all matters of strategic magnitude, it is the father NOT the son who is the architect of these oil wars. )
Knights of the Illuminatti or as in the Bushes case's, Illuminatti Wannabees* do not worship christ - they worship cash - power - and ritual sexual human sacrifice - They don't do these things in front of a video camera - but just because you don't get to see the video of it, don't think that everything is OK.
Wake up there, Christian and smell the shit. There is a satanist in the Whitehouse, and you are not even aware of that fact - Does that make you a good Christian? How does that make you feel as a Christian now that you have been informed that the man you are supporting is actually an occultist satanist? Huh? What the fuck do you have to say for yourself? You are a failure to Christ! You should be ashamed of yourself. You are living a lie.
vox

*The Bushes are not actually in the inner circle of the Illuminatti but are just near the fringes of this core group of men. Unable to get into the club they suck and slither along it's perifery demonstrating to this core group of Billionairs that they can be loyal servants and able killers. They suck and kill hoping to one day be admitted into the inner circle, the capstone, the council of twelve, or whatever you choose to call this core group which for certain is behind all of this strife. This is their dream, this is our nightmare.

Posted by dont be crazy @ 09/15/2002 11:16 PM EST


Let me start by saying that this is a wonderful site, and I enjoy the Buddist reference...very cool.
That being said, I just want to add a touch of humour, though the similarities are more scary than funny. In reading the last post in this section by vox, I couldn't help but be reminded of the rant about the "pentaveret" by the father in "So I Married an Axe Murderer". I'm not trying to make light of the good work that you are doing here, but merely trying to point out that even the possibility of the "Illuminati" is viewed as a joke by some. This may make the idea hard to sell to the unwilling masses.

Posted by enlightened @ 09/24/2002 11:38 PM EST


an invasion of saudi arabia can't come soon enough. the saudi royals are the #1 sponsors of terrorists on earth. they must die.

Posted by joe @ 09/29/2002 03:23 AM EST

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