10/25/2002 Entry: "Senator Wellstone Assassinated by group linked to BUSH Sr."



The eerie resemblance to an identical Senator assassination two years ago goes completely unmentioned in the media.
by voxfux

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America is gripped in a protracted, internal power seizure - this much is certain. The whole world is united against the policies of this shadow American government who has whipped the American people into a war frenzy. And it appears now that nearly each and every violent act of "Terrorism" since 911 and including 911 has its origin in America and is perpetrated by Americans - NOT Muslims.

And now, Democratic Senator Paul Wellstone is the latest victim of this clandestine US based, assassination group, racing to consolidate total power in the hands of George Bush.

wellstone (13k image)

In my May 25th Article of 2001, I laid out an explicit warning that a Democratic Senator would meet an untimely death by either an Anthrax hit or in a plane crash. (Click here for the article which predicted Wellstone's assassination) This article was written four months prior to the Sept 11th attacks and six months before the anthrax letters to Daschle and Leahy.

Wellstone was assassinated under the exact same circumstances as Mel Carnahan, two years ago. Carnahan the Democrat was beating John Ashcroft, but with just two weeks remaining before election day, Carnahans plane conveniently crashes. It is still not enough for the widely un-popular Ashcroft - When the voters considered the prospects of another six years with this Ashcroft, THE VOTERS VOTED FOR THE DECEASED CARNAHAN (actually his wife) RATHER THAN HAVE ASHCROFT FOR ANOTHER TERM ! What was Ashcroft’s reward for getting beaten by the man who he probably just rubbed out? ? Bush made Mr Popularity - Top cop.

Welcome to the fourth Reich.

What's most chilling about this series of identical assassinations is that it demonstrates the sheer brazenness and boldness of the operations of this shadowy group of private clandestine intelligence operatives, currently buttressing Bush. It’s as if they are feeling out their limits of carte blanche with the press and the American people and finding they have no limits. - Seeing how much we will take - And finding that there is no limit to how much we will take and how much we will let them get away with. As for whether there will ever be a mention of their operations in the major media... Apparently not.

Just a tiny beacon of light called VOXNYC.COM (VOXNYC the only place right now to get the hard truth. No other media is even going near our conclusions) There appears to be no limits. The media is simply signalling that there is no limits to what they can get away with. They are getting away with blatantly suspicious murders without even a mention in ANY American major media that there are some strange corollaries here, between the Carnahan and the Wellstone “accidents" (assassinations)

But this time these killers left nothing for chance. They murdered Wellstone’s whole family - wife and daughter - to prevent the voters of Minnesota from launching a similar protest vote like the one’s in Missouri did against Ashcroft. (They voted for the murdered Carnahan’s wife Jean.) So this time they wiped out the whole family - they are leaving nothing for chance. They are absolutely ruthless and dedicated to achieving their mission.

It was sickening to hear Ashcroft’s recollection of Carnahan’s death (murder) just as it was sickening to witness Bushes comments about Wellstone's "accident" (murder), the man Bush sought to oust - the man who life Bushes' forces just extinguished.

This “hit” should send a chill up the spine of every awake and decent person in America. The "Coincidental Premature Deaths" surrounding anyone who stands in the way of the Bush families' power seizures are impossible to ignore.

Constant fear is now the single biggest media currency. Fear is the principal focus of all our leaders and all in the major media. It is the heaviest traded commodity. More net capital is exhausted in the promotion by our leaders and media of fear than of SUV's. And while the circumstances of that fear shift from day to day the fact remains that it is vague and non specific fear alone which rules in America.

Sound the alarms and alert each and every adult person in America. Also help in any way you can with massive grassroots campaigns to assist Minnesota in assuring that these assassins behind Bush don’t get their victory in Wellstone’s murder. Converge all efforts onto Democratic Senate races and especially the Minnesota race. Do not let them have their victory. There is a protracted, calculated, and extraordinarily bloody seizure of power currently gripping America. If we resist we can hold them off. If we sit like sheep we deserve everything these wolves have in store for us. For these wolves think we are easy pickings. And we have given them no reason to think anything contrary.

The American Simulacrasphere is a swarming ocean of bullshit and lies, stoked by spineless cowards called American journalists churning out lie after lie, nothing after nothing - All aiding and abetting the enemy - destroying the critical faculty of each American.

The American LieScape is run by shifty murderers, Yale male cheerleading Lord Fauntleroys, crooked business types, and scumbag lawyers - All feeding on the already ravaged population. Whose minds and souls have been laid waste by the stultifying effects of years of television news and sitcoms. And the horribly desensitizing American advertizing vernacular which destroys the minds of generation after generation of Americans.

Raytheon, with defense operations in Texas made the plane that did the job on Wellstone and his family. Raytheon is a model for http://www.peacenowar.net/CAQ.htm shadowy operations. Makers of fine surface to surface cruise missiles which
regularly rock impoverished people the world over, Raytheon’s subsidiary structure follows the exact M.O. as another famous Texas based shadow corp - Enron - with Raytheon having subsidiaries in such shadowy havens as Bermuda, Virgin Islands, United Arab Emirates and the Philippines. Raytheon is also a big campaign contributor. Their Tomahawk missiles have become the remote control weapons of choice for US Presidents hoping to inflict maximum bloodshed of foreign lives and gain valuable "pay back" considerations from Corporate bosses here at home - Because the price tag of lighting off a weeks worth of these things could be a cool Billion. In fact Clinton lit off a fury of Tomahawks during his very own weekend stab at Osama hiding somewhere in Afdghanistan. That weekend of bombardment cost US taxpayors 100 million. That's a lot of health care. That's a lot of social security.

Raytheon specializes in two things

1) Making Killing Machines
2) Pleasing Administrations

Looks like they could have killed two birds with one (Well)stone. I’m not saying they did, just they could have. After all they are the experts at steering missiles into their targets, it’s a simple matter steering one Senator into the ground. And Raytheon certainly owes some serious favors to the Bush Regime. As I wrote in my dirty bomb article in June of this year, "Each time a Raytheon missile made in Texas, rocks some empty valley in Afghanistan, or worse, an agrarian village, that’s three million dollars in some fat cat crony’s wallet - that fat cat crony is going to 'owe one' to the Bushes - It’s called reality - look into it. (And while the Raytheon angle is not central to my thesis, it does point out the many twisted layers of shadowy military / industrial / intelligence covert operators and the potential dodgyness which is bound to ensue.

If there is one word that could be said regarding the expectations of any one individual who stands between the Bush family and their rise to power - that would be “imperiled.” For the Bush dynasty is proving to be America’s bloodiest crime family, far bloodier than any gangsters in the era of Al Capone or in the contemporary ghettos of Los Angeles. The Bushes Bloody rise to power is not a conspiracy theory as they would mock you into thinking - It is real.
Bush had targeted Wellstone for elimination and personally recruited Wellstone's opponent Norm Coleman to run against him.

All this is possible in a world secretly ruled by a covert shadow government. Which itself is made possible by the sheeplike acquiescence of people willing to sit quiet while their world steadily turns to shit.

And the sad fact remains that millions of Americans believe, as CNN / CIA plants the lie directly into their brain, that Wellstone’s plane crashed because of "Bad Weather."

Read Voxfux's archive of the may 25th 2001 article which predicted Wellstone's assassination and the attempted assassination on the lives of Senators Leahy and Daschle. Here's the link:
Senator Assassination Plot

Raytheon Facts

Viewer Commentary: 121 comments

What the fuck is going on! I'm getting tired of all this. I tell you one thing, there will certainly be revenge against Bush and his group for all this. There will be a time when he is not president - he'll get his. As for the American people for accepting all this - well they deserve everything that they are going to get.

Posted by Liberator @ 10/25/2002 05:02 PM EST

I find it incredulous that the media said absolutely nothing about the possibility that this plane was destroyed by a bomb or missile to MURDER the one Senator that has spoken stridently for truth. They NEVER stated the obvious that the only one who gains from his death is Bush and his republican cronies and the corporate monsters of wall street... funny and tragic that the stock market rallied upon hearing of his death... If that doesn't want to make you pull out of this stock market, NOTHING on this earth will ever do so... I AM ASHAMED TO BE AN AMERICA - for it is no longer free... IT IS A MONARCHY OF TERROR AND EVIL...

Posted by Truth Seeker @ 10/25/2002 05:43 PM EST

Right on. The American juggernaut is a very evil and dark force, it will be interesting to see who will challenge it... The Chinese maybe???

Posted by Francis Roebling @ 10/25/2002 07:47 PM EST

Check out Halliburton.com Interesting. I post at the Freemasonry Watch discussion room. 11 days before the election we lose a great man. Bush offers his sympathy while at the same time appoints former CIA chief Webster to the SEC accounting oversight board. How illuminating, the only word that comes to mind is TREASON!

Posted by North Wind @ 10/25/2002 08:22 PM EST

Let's see Carnahan died same week two years ago. Same M.O. Plane crash before the election. Ashcroft still got beaten by a dead man, the voters elected Mel carnahan's wife in a vow of defiance against that Religious Fanatic Ashcroft.

Posted by Come on People... @ 10/25/2002 09:17 PM EST

Would someone PLEASE start shooting back in defense of our Constitution and Republic? Why the FUCK do we take this crap sitting down???

Posted by Small "r" republican @ 10/25/2002 09:57 PM EST

Vox, I just did a Google search with the terms "Wellstone" and "assassination." Results:

Bomb Discovered in Colombia before visit of U.S. Senator, Ambassador: http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/americas/12/01/colombia.wellstone.03/

Apparently there was a bombing attempt against Wellstone during his visit to Columbia in 2000. When that failed, there was a lethal spraying attempt:


Hope I copied those links correctly. If not, do it yourself . . . and draw your own conclusions!

Here's another link the search turned up, one with some interesting background. A partial quote:

"Who would have guessed that the hopes of both major parties in the midterm elections would hinge on one man: Senator Paul Wellstone of Minnesota? Wellstone, who is generally viewed by the Washington establishment as an outré 60s-radical type, is in the race of his life for reelection this fall. The most liberal member of the Senate, where the Democrats hold a one-seat majority, is in a neck-and-neck contest with President Bush's hand-picked candidate, Norm Coleman, the party-switching former mayor of St. Paul. Bush and Vice President Cheney intervened to make sure Coleman would not face a primary challenge, and they are now aggressively campaigning to help Coleman push Wellstone out . . ."

link: http://www.progressive.org/webex/wxrc052402.html

But why is it always, in the end, a plane crash? Someone ought to do a book on all these plane crashes that SO conveniently result in the untimely demise of the inconvenient.

To any US servicemen or -women reading this post, OBSERVE YOUR OATH! Defend our Constitution against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC! You've got the guns and you know what to do with them. HONOR YOUR OATH!

Posted by Small "d" democrat @ 10/25/2002 10:52 PM EST

Why was Sen. Paul Wellstone called
a "radical Liberal"? Why is it a
"bad" thing to vote with one's
conscience and to stand by one's
principles? Hooray for Sen. Paul
Wellstone for being the one voice
to say "No" to the Iraq Resolution.
Now, more than ever,we owe it to ourselves to defend OUR Constitution. This is serious and
this is real.

Posted by dShays (as in Shays Rebellion) @ 10/26/2002 12:22 AM EST

It is incredible... Just Incredible... It's a very bad time to be American. I will move to Europe untill there is some sanity here - if ever. I never thought I could leave America, but there is just less and less each day that compels me to stay. The people here are getting uglier and meaner each day and the brutishness and thugishness in the streets is just not the America I remember.
This place is starting to look like crowds of skinheads, like Nazi's. Believe it or not, this hair style does have allusions to and pertainant semiotics relating to a FASCIST mentality.
Bye Bye folks
I'm going to free my soul...
...and get the fuck outta this shithole.

Posted by Laura DeAngelo @ 10/26/2002 02:32 AM EST

To not recognize that the conspiracies occur in the spirit world is to be part of the problem. Satan uses any tool available. The government is only one of his tools. Did the government decided to terrorize society with a sniper before the elections? Satan sure did, because he wants conservatives in power.

Posted by Gary Novak @ 10/26/2002 02:39 AM EST

I remember the prediction you made a long time ago. It struck me then and I am absolutely floored reading it again. Your prescience is second to none, vox. I am about to explode, here. If you can predict these things one and a half years before they happen why the hell don't the major newspapers start taking note of your work?

Posted by Dawn Hanse @ 10/26/2002 06:43 AM EST

Knew I'd find the truth here--thanks, vox, for speaking for me as I have no one to talk to and am banned from speaking at work--get the odd comment in here and there and watch eyes literally glaze over and their turning and walking away w/o a word--media-brainwashed robots. Still hoping that madmen will misjudge and will try to pull something off that will backfire and wake up zomboids. My heart is heavy over this blatant murder of a good man and those w/him.
Keep on writing the truth,vox.
Peace, Kathleen

Posted by kathleen beatty @ 10/26/2002 09:49 AM EST

I was watching the C(IA)NN, when they announced that Mr. Wellstone's plane went down. My husband and I both thought immediately "THEY killed him." I'm elated to know that there are so many people out there who can recognize the true reality of what's going on around us. Thanks vox, not only for your amazingly well-articulated views but your courage to post them.

Posted by Amanda Garrison @ 10/26/2002 10:04 AM EST

Do not go to the Twin Cities local paper startribune.com and suggest that the crash was anything more than an accident - they will reprimand you like a kindergartener.

They want to play the delusional zombies that they are.

Thanks for having a forum where people can say what they feel.


Posted by Cass Arolin @ 10/26/2002 11:26 AM EST

I'm not American, but I've been phoning and emailing US reps to add my voice to the anti-war movement. It's going to get ugly for you people, but understand that the world does not hate Americans, only the Bu(ll)sh(it) regime. Your founding fathers did it, you can too. REJECT Coleman.
Godd luck, I'll be here to do whatever I can.

Oct. 3, WSWS.org "The statements of presidential spokesperson Ari Fleischer at the White House Tuesday should have clarified any such misconceptions. Speaking from a podium bearing the presidential seal, Fleischer publicly advocated political assassination as a means of realizing US foreign policy."

Posted by Brio @ 10/26/2002 11:39 AM EST

I was working on my friends house when the phone rang. He was on the other end. "They killed Wellstone" were his first words. My friend is a former host of a long defunct WBAI dissident talk radio show that was on late night in the 80's. He was relieved of his duties for telling the truth. We are now middle aged and sadly jaded. The truth is this cabal will stop at nothing to gain everything. No amount of demonstrating, protesting or any other action will do anything to halt this. Tom Delay isnt going to die in "plane crash". This is one party rule. get used to it

Posted by firechannel @ 10/26/2002 12:07 PM EST

i talked to a first responder and he said that he couldn't talk about what he found, but there was something at the scene that supposedly makes it obvious what really happened. i'll try to find out what it is and keep y'all posted.(maybe i'll put him in my basement and give him lsd until he spills his guts) Coleman has a team of bloody killers behind him and running us foreign policy. to future politicians: dont let this murder dissuade you from speaking the truth. and i'll echo a previous comment to our armed serviceman: OBSERVE YOUR OATH protect our constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. you have the guns and know what to do with them.

just say NO to coleman

Posted by d. low @ 10/26/2002 01:38 PM EST

Anyone here, and I'm assuming most are at least grasping the concept, of world geopolitics, should not be surprised. I'd keep a close eye on Coleman, Vox. I'd also look into his connections, political, corporate, etc.
Anyone else interested in researching our 'leaders', specifically, dirt and deeds, should do a search for the Fifth Column text. It's extremely useful for ideas if you are just starting out on this path, even if you aren't a 'hacker'.

Posted by F3R4L @ 10/26/2002 03:22 PM EST

Hi folks Im radar from Scotland,I,d like to pass on my respects to the surving members of this family. I also agree with all the posts on this issue except for a couple of short sighted comments posted from the obvious,first heard of this 26/10/02 0500hrs on 5 live in UK and they did mention that this senator did go against popular opinium or words to that effect but said with no conspiracy undertones,but I myself immediately thought that these callous bastards killed them in cold blood , these monsters are so out of touch with true HUMAN feelings & morals and have been ever since they were not elected,kyoto, twin towers,opium fields in Afganistan from 70tons,est. to over 3000 tons in the space of a year how much would that be worth on the street? oh yeah now I see how the Taliban had to go ! huge huge huge increases in the defence budget to fight who because I see no one but the american amBUSH goverment,what would they gain by going into Iraq? come on AMERICA & the WORLD especially the main stream media, this PLANET is not for the faceless cowards it is for my child & yours. ps. there always will be hope, regards Radar in Scotland

Posted by Highland Radar @ 10/26/2002 03:36 PM EST

The recent untimely death of the late Sen. Paul Wellstone hit close to home both emotionally and literally. He was the voice of the little man in the senate, the "little giant." Vote with your conscience and on issues, not on party lines! A republican vote is a vote for war, sending thousands of innocent American soldiers that have been brainwashed by their government owners just as much as the majority of U.S. citizens have by the media, to their premature grave. A person should not label themselves as a Democrat or Republican, each person has their own points of view and should vote best on the candidates that individually support those views.

Saddam poses no threat to the U.S. as he stands, but I guarantee when we pre-emptively strike him, we will see more terror on America's soil, and rightfully so. Looks like we have a repeat Vietnam on our hands. We know this is all about oil, greed, power and money. It's obvious why Bush wants a war and to take over Iraq's oil fields being he has investments and special interest in oil companies and defense contractors. What does he have to lose, when on his word, he can send our troops to die and his wallet will only get fatter???

We should have no interest in foreign affairs until we can handle our own domestic problems such as stabilizing social security and medicare, and reforming education, healthcare, and welfare. Ever since the Bush administration has stepped into office, shit has hit the fan and fuckin' splattered everywhere, from the economy going to shit, voting scandals, and corporate fuckups that are in the interest of them anyhow. All that's happened to the citizens of America is the shedding of the very rights of freedom we've all cherished and been proud of up until that point, now the so called "War for Freedom" is anything but the less and more so should be called the "War for Oil" and the "war to Establish Fear and Shed Rights."

Seems funny how they had said that there was a cockpit voice recorder on Wellstone's plane and now all of a sudden there was no CVR on the plane. The NTSB spokeswoman just seems like a bitch as she is, and can't answer a heated question straight. This plane was made for the weather it was flying in, and it had made contact for a successful landing just 2 minutes in advance, which would have put the plane at a steady descent, if anything were to happen mechanically, the plane would have been able to glide to it's touchdown with the experience of the pilots, on the other hand it had veered of course and made a sharp angle to the crash site which meant it dropped out of the sky like a rock, which would be consistent with a plane being shot down or forced down. Or as simple as disconnecting the plane's de-icing equipment. Not unlike the John F. Kennedy Jr and Missouri Gov. Mel Carnahan crashes, both of which involved planes already descending towards landing that suddenly wandered off the approach path and crashed. In all three cases, radio contact appears to have been cut off while the planes were still in the air, indicating total electrical failures on board coincident with the event that drove them off course. Local corporate media in Minnesota "reported that at the time of the crash, visibilty was 3 to 4 miles, the ceiling was 200 to 400 feet, and the temperature was 34 degrees. The weatherman on this station then plainly said that iceing only occurs when the temperature is between 28 and 31 degrees."

Also seems funny that, Raytheon, the company that built the plane, is based out of Texas, and also the same company that manufactures tomahawk cruise missiles. It would obviously be in the company's interest if America were to go to war, and Sen. Wellstone was one of the few prominent senators to cast a vote of "NO" for war. Let there be no doubt as to the identity of George W. Bush’s least favorite Democratic U.S. senator. It was Wellstone, the rabble-rousing liberal Progressive who represented not just Minnesota but what remains of the fighting populist spirit of the Upper Midwest. But the Bush camp has been focusing highest-level attention on "Plan Wellstone" — its project to silence progressive opposition. The Bush and his administration despised Wellstone, who unlike most Senate Democrats had been fighting spirited battles against the new administration’s policies on everything from the environment to the tax cuts for the rich to military aid for the "Plan Colombia" drug war. Wellstone was also adamantly against the invasion of Iraq, wanted private investigations into WTC disaster, and pointed out prior knowledge of 9-11. He was also against Homeland Security, and the Patriot Act. Is this a warning to other senators, not to go against Bush and to vote for anything that is put in front of them i.e. the Patriot Act? Sen. Wellstone fought to bolster Americans' privacy rights and limit government surveillance of the Internet.

"If Bush had died in a plane crash, would there not be immediate open speculation about the possibility of assassination? Wellstone held the balance in the Senate for the Democrats; he was as opposed to Bush policies as any Senator could be, in issues of war, health policy, and labor issues. His death has great political and social significance." So far, corporate media has not raised the possibility of assassination and is pointing to bad weather conditions as the cause of the crash. There is much doubt about this story, though.

Sherlock Holmes solved at least one case by noticing that something that should be present was missing. In the Hound of the Baskervilles, he solved the case by noticing that no one reported a barking dog. So what's missing in terms of the Wellstone plane crash? For the last 14 months, anytime there has been a plane crash, the media go way overboard in assuming that this must somehow be a terrorist incident. The initial reaction of the media in the first hours of the event is always now "oh my, I hope this isn't happening again. I hope this isn't another terrorist attack." Just a few days ago, there was a news story that Al-Queda may be targeting US Senators. The story referred to the possibilities of sniper attacks on golf courses. Just a few days later, a US Senator dies. So, what's missing? Sen. Wellstone's plane crashes, and there is absolutely no speculation that this is a terrorist attack. Somehow the media immediately knows that this plane crash was caused by bad weather, and this is in no way a terrorist attack. The media dog has been barking "terrorist" steadily for 14 months. Today the dog didn't bark.

This is it, folks, war has been declared on us by those among us who seek to give absolute power to a fascist regime that wants to plunge us and the world into an eternal war to fuel their own lust for wealth and power. If America allows this murder to go unaddressed, uninvestigated by an unbiased, thorough investigators in a search for facts open at every turn to the public, then our nation is doomed. The Nazis are here to stay. Who then, will be next?

The executive branch has already slyly given itself more power over the other branches, and the republicans already have control over both the executive and judicial branches. If the republicans shift the seats their way in congress, then, they too will have control of the legislative branch, and our rights will be even more shed and tyrant Bush won't have to doubt anything he wants to pass. Ever since he corruptly put himself in office in 2000, whom the populist didn't favor, everything in this country has gone downhill. Prior to the 2000 election I was proud to be an American, now at times I am ashamed. The government is supposed to be representative of the people, but it'sn not in the least bit. Some fuckin' Arlington, VA. based company that supports republicans was going to fund an anti-Wellstone campaign in the weeks prior to the election. This is an election for the "Representative" of the Minnesota people...not a fuckin' outstate company.

The Democrats held control of the Senate by 1 seat, with the loss of Wellstone, it makes it even more convenient for the crooks to get their way, giving them more power.
This election is as important as any other. Let's make these fucking crooks sorry for what they are worth. They can fuckin' try all they fuckin' want to put that fuckin' circus clown "who can juggle"--if you've seen his sorry ass commericials--lmfao...Norm "FAG"man into office. But lets make our VOICES be heard and not give into the bullshit they have handed us. Unless you are rich or support terrorism and the possibility of launching World War III, and if you like to have your rights shed...vote republican, but if you like your rights and don't want to obliterated in a nuclear war, keep the votes away from them. I'm not saying to vote Democrat, but they have the best chance of keeping a crook out of office. Indepenent is the way to, not necessarily as the party, but as an indepentent voice, don't vote on party lines!

Lets carry on the voice of the belated Sen. Paul Wellstone, who was without question the greatest voice in favor of we the people, so lets continue to make our voice heard in the echo of his.

In memory and honor of the late Sen. Paul Wellstone, 1944-2002
~Live on Fighter, may your voice forever be heard in the name of the fight for the people, and continue your fight from the heavens above~

Posted by synapse @ 10/26/2002 03:53 PM EST


Posted by James Tomkin @ 10/26/2002 05:50 PM EST

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"I'm an American tired of American lies."

Try these for a little truth.

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http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/SeptemberEleventh/Schmid/CloudsOfConcrete_2.html What Identifies A Demolition?
http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/SeptemberEleventh/Schmid/index.html Full listing of Eric Hufschmid's early web articles.
http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/SeptemberEleventh/arabs-not-to-blame.htm Arabs Not To Blame For 9-11.
http://nerdcities.com/guardian/SeptemberEleventh/ang-mission.htm The Treasonous Air National Guard's Mission And Vision Statements.
http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wtc.html The World Trade Center Demolition from serendipity.magnet.ch
http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wot/mslp_ii.htm McMichael's Analysis Of The World Trade Center Demolition.
http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wot/insurers.htm The World Trade Center Demolition As An Insurance Scam?
http://www.mujahideen.fsnet.co.uk/wtc/wtc-hijackers.htm Many Hijackers Still Alive.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1559000/1559151.stm Hijackers Still Alive From the BBC.
http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian Full list of articles from www.nerdcities.com/guardian

Posted by Doug Smith @ 10/26/2002 05:52 PM EST

[The following are excerpts from an article in the May 27, 2002 edition of The Nation magazine. The full article can be found on the web at http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020527&s=nichols ] Paul Wellstone, Fighter
[from the May 27, 2002 issue]
Paul Wellstone is a hunted man. Minnesota's senior senator is not just another Democrat on White House political czar Karl Rove's target list, in an election year when the Senate balance of power could be decided by the voters of a single state. Rather, getting rid of Wellstone is a passion for Rove, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and the special-interest lobbies that fund the most sophisticated political operation ever assembled by a presidential administration. "There are people in the White House who wake up in the morning thinking about how they will defeat Paul Wellstone," a senior Republican aide confides. "This one is political and personal for them."
That has made it political and personal for Wellstone. The man who decided to abandon a self-imposed two-term limit on his Senate service at least in part because of his determination to block Bush's conservative agenda wears the target with pride. At a moment when most Democrats are still trying to figure out how to challenge a popular President, the former college wrestler is leaping into the ring. Wellstone is not running for cover; he is running to deliver a message about politics in a state and a nation that he believes to be far more progressive than the readers of political tea leaves in Washington could begin to imagine.
"Paul's a controversial guy. He's the little guy who takes on the big guys. That is not something the political process is designed to reward these days. If you take strong stands you put yourself at risk--and Paul takes more strong stands on more issues than just about anyone else."
The man who began burning bridges [in 1990] with the Bush family when he challenged then-President Bush's Persian Gulf War preparations on their first meeting ("Who is this chickenshit?" Bush Sr. asked) may be the Senate's boldest foe of the Star Wars national missile defense program and of increased military aid to Colombia.
Congressional Quarterly says no senator had a more consistent record of voting against Bush Administration proposals during the new President's first year. Wellstone racks up 100 percent ratings from the AFL-CIO, Americans for Democratic Action and the League of Conservation Voters. He is the veteran grassroots organizer hailed by consumer activists for waging a three-year battle to temper the draconian "bankruptcy reform" bill pushed by the credit card industry. He is the former college professor who has been the chief Senate voice of those who maintain that education-reform initiatives must involve better measures of success than standardized tests. He is the crusader for disability rights and healthcare reform who--since he was diagnosed in February as having a mild form of multiple sclerosis--is in demand not merely as an advocate but as a very human example of what the struggles are about. The Minneapolis Star Tribune recently described him as "the go-to guy to advance the causes of educators, environmentalists, consumer and labor groups, the elderly and the poor."
Now, Rove is gambling presidential prestige and Republican dollars on the prospect that the upper Midwest is the key to taking back a Senate that went Democratic last spring after Vermont Senator Jim Jeffords exited the GOP. "Midwestern voters don't feel the connection with the Democrats that they once did," crows Rove. To that end, Wellstone, South Dakota's Tim Johnson and Iowa's Tom Harkin, all up for re-election, are getting what GOP insiders call "the Rove treatment": recruitment of high-profile Republican challengers, major-league fundraising assistance and regular presidential visits. All other things being equal, picking off either Johnson or Harkin would be enough to split the Senate 50-50 and again allow Vice President Cheney to break partisan ties. But beating Wellstone would be the sweetest win. "They have made it very clear that if they could beat one Democrat this year, it would be Paul Wellstone," says Minnesota political consultant Richman. "Paul gets under their skin."
"When I first met the President, he called me 'Pablo,'" Wellstone jokes. "That lasted a day or two. Then they started trying to figure out how they were going to get rid of me."

Posted by L.G. @ 10/26/2002 06:51 PM EST

I am still numb. Yesterday when someone came up to me and reported "what happened" I knew that instant it was no accident. My stomach dropped. I was no big fan of Wellstone, as I felt he compromised too much for mainstream politics. Regardless, he did have the courage and conviction to speak out on certain key issues, and this, my friends, got him assasinated. Are people going to sit idly by like sheep, like digusting passive slaves, or demand some justice? It astounds me to witness the apathy, the cluelessness, and the sheer indifference of the masses. And what do we have when the few who SEE the truth are too weak to do anything about it? We need to MOBILIZE, to VOICE THE TRUTH, to REFUSE to allow Coleman to get into office. This is the very least we can do to achieve some kind of remote justice for Wellstone. This ordeal is so, so terrible. I am torn between rage and the deepest sorrow. I look at the photos of this guy and his wife and daughter...he was so impassioned, so sincere, so full of conviction. It is a matter of time before the operators of sites such as www.voxnyc.com, www.fromthewilderness.com etc are next. I am getting the hell out of this country...I have seen enough.

Posted by Phillip Gebser @ 10/26/2002 09:33 PM EST

I been thinking about a possible pattern seen in the recent suspicious airplane 'accidents'.

A comment above from 'synapse' above reads: "both [JFK Jr's and Gov. Carnahan's accidents] involved planes already descending towards landing that suddenly wandered off the approach path and crashed. In all three cases, radio contact appears to have been cut off while the planes were still in the air, indicating total electrical failures on board coincident with the event that drove them off course."

Here's an idea. The perfect way to sabotage a landing airplane would be to use a focused electro-magnetic pulse (EMP) device. These machines are already being manufactured and marketed to law enforcement for the purpose of stopping fleeing vehicles.


A person a few miles upwind from the runway could bombard the aircraft with an intense electromagnetic pulse which would cause total electrical failure, instantly knocking out radio communication, disrupting normal engine ignition, and causing loss of steering control. The steering control surfaces on this airplane are controled by individual electrical actuators that are mechanically linked to the rudder, ailerons, and flaps.

This type of sabotage would leave no physical evidence on the aircraft, although it's possible that people at the airport or in the general vicintiy might have noticed electrical anomalies like radio noises, a crashed computer, telephone disruption, and the like. There might even be an eyewitness who noticed that the aircraft's engines went silent or saw the plane careen off course.

Posted by Mr Bill @ 10/27/2002 01:21 AM EST

have you seen this?

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm (it's in English)
(awesome info that makes you think a bit)

see if you can really find the plane

Posted by Goose @ 10/27/2002 02:44 AM EST

I do concur with synapse's analysis of the media coverage. I find it very peculiar that the media won't even mention the possibility that foul play could be responsible. All the focus seems to be on the weather however the weather doesn't appear to be as bad as the media makes it out to be. On the TwinCities.com website, an article qoutes a Traci Chacich, the airport office manager, that "two smaller Beech Queen Airs landed at the same airport two hours earlier without incident. 'It was a bit foggy, but nothing to speak of,', she said."
Heres the link

In the same article it is said that the King Air A100s have a relatively good safetly record with only 2 fatal crashes in the last 6 years. "Both involved experienced pilots who crashed while trying to make Instrument Landing System (ILS) approaches in heavy fog. The NTSB ruled that the probable cause of the accidents were due to pilot's failure to follow Instrument Flight Rule procedures and maintain the minimum descent altitude when landing."

Sen. Wellstone's main pilot was a professional pilot with lots of experience flying Wellstone around.
Could it be that he misjudged the landing descent altitude because of heavy fog and lost control of the plane? Could it be that they were rushed to land because they had taken off late from the Twin Cities, after sitting in the airplane for 25 minutes before takeoff? It could well be that Sen.Wellstone was rushed however he hated flying and I am sure he wouldn't tell the pilot to rush his landing. If the airport manager indicated that 2 planes, including a UPS plane, had already landed 2 hours earlier that morning
and that the fog wasn't much too speak of, then I guess we will keep on guessing what happened.

Another strange piece in the story so far is the apparent unnamed witness that lived nearby who saw the plane travel over his house at 100 feet and observed "it jerking or 'crabbing to the right.' Who is this witness and what is his name? Why does the media quote a witness to the death of a US Senator and not state his name?
This witness also states he felt the impact of the crash and then heard a "loud shot." What was this shot? Has anyone seen this witness on TV or catch his name in another news article?
Here is the link to that story on StarTribune

From the same article, Carol Carmody of NTSB states the following, " The plane was 90 degrees off a routine approach to the westbound runway...Further, its angel of descent was 'steeper than the normal approach'. ...She said investigators flew over the crash site in a helicopter Saturday to outline the scene. While in the air, she said, investigators saw TREETOPS SHEARED AT SHARP ANGLES, revealing the plane's path as it plunged into wooded, marshy terrain... Carmody said the damage to the trees began 150 feet from the spot where the plane was found."----My question is what does this mean? How can they tell how steep an angle a plain crashed at by the angles of shearing of treetops and the path of the crash in a flat, wooded area? I am trying to imagine how different crashes would do different things to trees but I don't see how the crash was steep its path was 150 feet and treetops were sheared along the way. A plane the falls straight out of the sky would have a small crash area and thus a very steep descent. I just don't understand what she is trying to say. To me it seems like the pilots were already flying low and went into a long crash landing.

If I find any other oddities I'll post.

Posted by jab @ 10/27/2002 02:58 AM EST

I do concur with synapse's analysis of the media coverage. I find it very peculiar that the media won't even mention the possibility that foul play could be responsible. All the focus seems to be on the weather however the weather doesn't appear to be as bad as the media makes it out to be. On the TwinCities.com website, an article qoutes a Traci Chacich, the airport office manager, that "two smaller Beech Queen Airs landed at the same airport two hours earlier without incident. 'It was a bit foggy, but nothing to speak of,', she said."
Heres the link

In the same article it is said that the King Air A100s have a relatively good safetly record with only 2 fatal crashes in the last 6 years. "Both involved experienced pilots who crashed while trying to make Instrument Landing System (ILS) approaches in heavy fog. The NTSB ruled that the probable cause of the accidents were due to pilot's failure to follow Instrument Flight Rule procedures and maintain the minimum descent altitude when landing."

Sen. Wellstone's main pilot was a professional pilot with lots of experience flying Wellstone around.
Could it be that he misjudged the landing descent altitude because of heavy fog and lost control of the plane? Could it be that they were rushed to land because they had taken off late from the Twin Cities, after sitting in the airplane for 25 minutes before takeoff? It could well be that Sen.Wellstone was rushed however he hated flying and I am sure he wouldn't tell the pilot to rush his landing. If the airport manager indicated that 2 planes, including a UPS plane, had already landed 2 hours earlier that morning
and that the fog wasn't much too speak of, then I guess we will keep on guessing what happened.

Another strange piece in the story so far is the apparent unnamed witness that lived nearby who saw the plane travel over his house at 100 feet and observed "it jerking or 'crabbing to the right.' Who is this witness and what is his name? Why does the media quote a witness to the death of a US Senator and not state his name?
This witness also states he felt the impact of the crash and then heard a "loud shot." What was this shot? Has anyone seen this witness on TV or catch his name in another news article?
Here is the link to that story on StarTribune

From the same article, Carol Carmody of NTSB states the following, " The plane was 90 degrees off a routine approach to the westbound runway...Further, its angel of descent was 'steeper than the normal approach'. ...She said investigators flew over the crash site in a helicopter Saturday to outline the scene. While in the air, she said, investigators saw TREETOPS SHEARED AT SHARP ANGLES, revealing the plane's path as it plunged into wooded, marshy terrain... Carmody said the damage to the trees began 150 feet from the spot where the plane was found."----My question is what does this mean? How can they tell how steep an angle a plain crashed at by the angles of shearing of treetops and the path of the crash in a flat, wooded area? I am trying to imagine how different crashes would do different things to trees but I don't see how the crash was steep its path was 150 feet and treetops were sheared along the way. A plane the falls straight out of the sky would have a small crash area and thus a very steep descent. I just don't understand what she is trying to say. To me it seems like the pilots were already flying low and went into a long crash landing.

If I find any other oddities I'll post.

Posted by jab @ 10/27/2002 02:58 AM EST

INVESTIGATORS: Plane, far off course, crashed perpendicular to runway
Pioneer Press

EVELETH, Minn. — In the final moments before the crash that killed U.S. Sen. Paul Wellstone and seven others, the small plane was flying an unusually steep descent and dramatically off course from the runway, a top investigator said Saturday.

The Beechcraft King Air A100 somehow had turned away from the airport despite a radio message indicating it was on final approach. Carol Carmody, acting chairwoman of the National Transportation Safety Board, said the plane appeared to have been flying on a course roughly perpendicular to the runway at the point of impact.

"The aircraft was not aligned with the runway center," said Carmody. "It appears to be headed south and it was about 90 degrees off what would be a routine approach. We don't know why this is. We will try to find out."

On the first day of the investigation, officials revealed that Wellstone's plane contained no cockpit voice recorder that might offer clues about why it mysteriously plunged into a wooded, swampy area 2½ miles southeast of the Eveleth-Virginia Municipal Airport on Friday morning.

But they did recover other evidence, including both the plane's engines, which will be examined for possible clues. They also found damaged propellers, indicating they were turning when the plane hit the ground — though that does not necessarily mean they did not malfunction.

Carmody said she had consulted with the FBI and there was no intelligence information and no evidence in the wreckage that suggested any possibility of terrorism.

Investigators likely will spend three to five more days at the site gathering evidence before returning to Washington to continue their analysis. Carmody said the NTSB may take months to make a final determination about the cause of the crash.

The plane apparently had been descending sharply when it sheared off the tops of trees and crashed in a bog. Carmody said strike damage to trees began about 150 feet from the crash site and showed an unusually precipitous downward angle.

"The angle was steeper than what would be expected in normal, standardized, stabilized approach," she said.

The crash killed Wellstone, 58, as the Democrat sought a third term in the Senate in a hotly contested race against Republican Norm Coleman. Also killed were the senator's wife, Sheila, 58; their daughter, Marcia Wellstone Markuson, 33; campaign aides Will McLaughlin, 23, Tom Lapic, 49, and Mary McEvoy, 49; and pilots Richard Conry, 55, and Michael Guess, 30.

One witness told investigators that the plane sounded unusually loud as it flew low over his house moments before the crash.

"It was so close the windows were shaking," said Rodney Allen, possibly the last person to see the plane before the crash.

Carmody said Allen told investigators he was accustomed to planes flying overhead. He said he looked out the window and saw the westbound plane pass about 100 feet over his house, about five miles southeast of the airport. He said it had been "crabbing to the right," or slipping to the side, as it moved forward in the manner of a crab, Carmody said.

"He went back to watching television and within a minute, less than a minute, he felt an impact and heard what he called a loud shot," said Carmody. "He thought it might have been a rifle or something. He didn't know what it was. He figured out later that it probably was connected with the crash," about two miles west of his house.

The NTSB had hoped to find a voice recorder in the wreckage. But on Saturday investigators learned the plane did not carry one and was not required to under Federal Aviation Administration regulations, said Carmody.

"We don't know what might have been on it," she said. "Of course we would have liked to have had it, absolutely."

Carmody said it was too soon to determine whether aircraft icing had contributed to the crash. Investigators are reviewing weather data and looking for valves and cockpit switches that might indicate whether the pilots had tried to deice the aircraft while in flight.

In addition to crash scene evidence, investigators routinely examine atmospheric conditions, maintenance records and the records of the pilots. An investigator Saturday traveled to the regional FAA center to obtain radar tapes and talk to controllers.

NTSB investigators refused to draw any conclusions from the physical evidence. But one experienced aviator from the area said the evidence suggested that something happened that caused the pilots to lose control of the plane.

"They were no longer in control of the aircraft," said Don Sipola, a former president of the Eveleth-Virginia Municipal Airport Commission, who has 25 years of experience flying at the airport. "That will be the $64 question—what occurred in the last few minutes that distracted them or caused them to wrestle control of the aircraft."

"Something caused them at low altitude to veer off course," Sipola said.

The angle of descent also indicates an out-of-control flight, Sipola said. The normal approach for the aircraft is a descent of 3 degrees, he said. But Sipola said NTSB investigators told him Saturday that the plane was descending at 30 degrees.

"This was a real steep bank, not a nice, gentle don't-spill-the-coffee descent," Sipola said. "This is more like the space shuttle coming down. This was not a controlled flight into the ground."

The chartered campaign plane took off Friday morning from St. Paul Downtown Airport and headed for the Eveleth-Virginia Municipal Airport. Wellstone was en route to the 11 a.m. funeral in Virginia of Martin Rukavina, father of state Rep. Tom Rukavina, DFL-Virginia.

Shortly after 10 a.m., the crew radioed the Eveleth airport and announced that they were approaching from the east and preparing to land on westbound Runway 27. The pilot then clicked his microphone button to automatically turn on the landing lights at the airport, which does not have a control tower.

At the time of the crash, the cloud ceiling at the airport was 700 feet. The visibility was reported at 2½ miles, well above the one-mile minimum for a standard instrument landing. A light fog blanketed the area and a few snowflakes drifted to the ground. Winds were light.

Allen, the eyewitness, said the area is surrounded by swamps so the moisture does tend to created more fog. The unemployed millwright said it appeared the plane was just coming out of the clouds at about 100 feet when it was above his home. With the plane so low "it appeared to me maybe they thought they were landing," Allen said.

A 16-person team of investigators from the NTSB began picking through the site around daybreak Saturday and continued working through a cold, overcast day.

Crews rode all-terrain vehicles to the site, about half a mile from the nearest road, and had to vary their routes to avoid becoming mired in the swamp with up to 2 feet of water. They later brought in logging machinery to build a makeshift road to the site.

"It's a tough trip," said Carmody. "It makes getting equipment, people and things out there difficult. We all walked out with a shovel apiece because we had to help get gear out there."

Officials said the wreckage was scattered over a relatively small impact area with most of the debris confined to an elevated patch roughly 300 by 190 feet on mostly dry ground. The post-crash fire consumed the cockpit and fuselage and the only recognizable parts remaining were the tail and part of the wings.

"It looks like a tremendous fire pit," said Kevin Smith, a spokesman for the Minnesota Department of Public Safety.

Medical examiners removed the remains of the victims Saturday afternoon and expect to complete post-mortem investigation today, officials said.

One of Wellstone's two sons visited the crash site Friday night, Carmody said. The NTSB will arrange visits for other family members who want them, possibly today.

"We've found through the sad experience we've had with accidents over the years that family members do like to go and see where their loved ones died," Carmody said. "It gives them a sort of closure, it gives them a degree of peace. It's a difficult thing to do. But most of them find it useful and most of them want to go. For those who want to go we make it possible. We always do it as soon as we reasonably can."

Posted by anonymous @ 10/27/2002 05:08 AM EST

Excellent article! You closely describe my sentiments. I named your article the Fight the Right site of the day on my site at http://www.geocities.com/jacksonthor - I'm glad someone emailed me your link.
My article on Wellstone is at http://www.americaheldhostile.com/ed102502.shtml
May we continue to have the courage to seek the truth,

Posted by Jackson Thoreau @ 10/27/2002 06:37 AM EST


You are either WITH US or youre WELLSTONED.


Paul Wellstone grew up in Virginia and attended the University of North Carolina where he was a champion wrestler. He taught policial science at Carleton College in Northfield, MN, before being elected to the senate in 1990 in a grassroots campaign, defeating the Republican incumbant Rudy Boschwitz, who had a campaign war chest of $7 million (large for that time). He was seen as the most liberal person to be eleted to the Senate since the 60s. During his first term he advocated for a single payer Universal Health Care system long after the Democratic party had abandoned advocating even a complicated managed care system. His pressing questions once led a clueless Geroge Bush Sr. to remark "Who is this chickenshhit?"

Link Below at the END.

Everything Bush.


No black box!

Fishy to say the least.


Wed like an INDEPENDENT investigation to this HIGHY fishy plane crash of the Wellstone family and staff.If there indeed was foul play good gog does that means that they killed them all on board that plane/

Who's next? Or was that THE message from Hard Disc Cheney? "You DO NOT mess with the PRESIDENT when he is in a WAR"Paul Welstones plane crash of his family staff and two pilots was in effect a sign from our neozionist hawkishadministration that they will not let ANYONE get in their way.

You are either WITH US or youre WELLSTONED.


List of Politicians who died in Crashes.


A W arning.

They shoot senators dont they?

They shoot presidents AND their kid brothers who get in "their" way too.

Heaven help us all.

As far as we're concerned this is really badass SCARY #####.

We have families too and want to live in peace not rest in it like Wellstone.

Poor Paul.


But a dead hero.

He will go down in history as one of the FEW SANE MEN in our government who opposed the BUSHAWKS and died for it.May he rest in peace. Poor poor Paul.

Who's next Cynthia McKinney?

David Letterman? Noam Chomsky? Phil Donahue?



The Wellstone "Crash" was a Warning to us all.

To those of you with families please take heed.

We feel like we've said our peace.

What difference will it make anyway to be against the war?So we know.So you know.So everyone knows.So what?Its happening weather we like it or not.

A big difference will be if you get killed a la Wellstone.He was a high profile target who was working for the little guy ,how bout the little guys he was working for?No one would even know if anyone of us little guys died prematurely in some accident or suicide.Hell they wont even know we died.Wont even make the papers.THis Wellstone warning has us pretty shook up and are seriously reconsidering our anti bush anti war anti zionist stance.Heros R not us.Call us what you like.We have families too.

sincerely,until further notice...



Posted by Art Bishop @ 10/27/2002 06:46 AM EST

Hey. I'm with ya. I'm reading, thinking, posting, letting people know about your site. I've been following this type of thing for years now, and i really enjoy your site.

That said, yesterday someone posted a comment about your archives and the sudden appearance of the prediction you had...

... like I said, I'm totally with you, but the comment has been taken down..
VOX COMMENT ANNOTATION: The former site was voxfux.com which was taken down it the weeks following the 911 attacks. The site was considerably MORE intense than this new VOXNYC site which has also been in operation for quite some time but changed it's interface in june of this year. All prior articles will be archived and linked soon. There is much work to be done and each day is simply filled with horror after horror that tending to past archives is becoming like everything else, we get to it them when we have the time. I've been screaming out my warnings since the anthrax mailings proved me right.
Sadly, I've got another warning. which will appear as soon as we get over the Midterm elections.
stay tuned...

Please don't censor the skeptics. There's room for them too... it encourages healthy, lively debate.

Thanks for a terrific site.

Posted by a mom @ 10/27/2002 07:29 AM EST

Several comments. First the US lost a courageous, moral man. I personally like many others will mis him and his compassionate politics and views.
I also feel rather sorry for his family and everyone on that plane.
In my humble opinion there should be a complete investigation using totally objective investigators.
Let's get to the truth asap!!!
The American people have a right to know now.
While the timing of the crash couldn't be more unfortunate with the upcoming elections the investigation is even more crucial.

Posted by Lynda Appell @ 10/27/2002 08:24 AM EST

Thanks especially to the researchers posting to this list! As a Green Party USA member from Brooklyn, NY, and editor of its national paper, Green Politix, we'll be investigating the possibility that Paul, Sheila and Marcia Wellstone were murdered. Your help is appreciated.

Many of Paul Wellstone's recent votes on national and foreign policy were awful -- he voted, for instance, FOR the Patriot Act and a number of other horrible resolutions. (See counterpunch@counterpunch.org for documentation of these.) The Minnesota Greens have also been running a strong antiwar candidate against Wellstone, which in my view helped push Wellstone to voting finally against Bush's war on Iraq, to cover his antiwar Green flank in a close election. Working Assets had subjected the Greens to an intense campaign against us for challenging both Wellstone and Coleman in the current election, and we have called for a boycott of Working Assets as a result.

Despite this recent negative record on foreign policy issues, we understand that unlike most in Washington, Paul Wellstone emerged from our antiwar and social movements, and was not an opportunist or apologist for the banking or oil interests. That is why we mourn him -- as one of us, as a very decent person, as someone who came to life through our antiwar and antiracist movements.

Finally, the comment by Eric the Red on this list is most unfortunate and denigrates the fine work that others on the list are doing, when he writes:

>> please do ANYTHING to prevent Jewish Brooklynite Norm Coleman from becoming the next senator of your state! <<

Being Jewish, or from Brooklyn (I am also both!) has nothing to do why we should oppose Coleman, who exemplifies the Bush agenda. There is a huge difference between being Jewish and being an apologist for Israel. Many, many Jewish people oppose Israel's occupation of Palestine, including a growing number of Israeli soldiers, which are now known as refuseniks, who are refusing to fight in the Occupied Territories and who are being court martialed and imprisoned by Israel as a result.

Again, please keep up the terrific research on this list. It's extremely important, especially at this moment in history as our country stands on the precipice of becoming an out and out fascist state.

No to empire!

Mitchel Cohen
Brooklyn Greens / Green Party USA

Posted by Mitchel Cohen @ 10/27/2002 08:52 AM EST

As a student pilot, this reminds me of 3 things: A problem I had myself but survived, a plane that crashed a few miles from my house with full power, and Kennedy's crash in '99. My problem was an autopilot that went on by itself and could not be switched off; not even the instructor realized, at low altitude, what it was -- the cure is to remove the fuse, but remember that while being about to land! The plane that crashed nearby had probably got ice on the tail and lost control. Kennedy, though... he flew down in the water (it is very hard to determine the height above water visually in certain weather, so you have to trust the instruments). This time too there was bad weather, they will have had to fly on instruments and had very little time after they got out.
Now, if the flight instruments had been malfunctioning in a specific way, that would explain the event. Up to four things must have been malfunctioning, though perhaps it could be enough with two: The horizont gyro, the vertical velocity indicator, the altimeter, and finally the autopilot may have turned on and locked on erroneous data. If the autopilot is set on turning and descending, I don't think the pilots have a chance to recover without turning it off by removing the fuse. The time to do it is very very short, and perhaps it was stuck too, who knows.
Advice to others: Bring your OWN GPS to check that the plane's instruments are working.

Posted by Ulf Erlingsson @ 10/27/2002 09:42 AM EST

WHEN will the silent majority of Americans wake up from the nightmare and take back control of their country from the corporate-political demagogues? It's your country, all you have to do is vote!! Remember Shelly's lines. Ye are many, they are few!

Posted by Kevin Cidle (UK) @ 10/27/2002 09:53 AM EST

Um, Raytheon is headquartered in Mass.

141 Spring Street
Lexington, MA 02421

VOX COMMENT ANNOTATION: The Bulk of their manufacturing is Texas, (Ft Worth I believe, but don't quote me)

Posted by Dah FahKing @ 10/27/2002 10:13 AM EST

god help us all...

Posted by . @ 10/27/2002 10:33 AM EST

thank you for this website. thanks to all the commentators who show that we are not alone. we are a minority, but we are not alone. the only way to change the collision course this nation is on is to forcibly take back the controls. if we will all just refuse to furnish our hard earned money to the unconstitutionally installed mobsters in d.c., it would be over in less than a month. no money=no more games. it is bloodless and requires no weapons at the outset. just stop paying. a general strike would also bring them to their knees. no labor, no money=no power. the rub is of course the sheeple must figure this out and be able to stick to it for a reasonable length of time. i am ready, but sadly my neighbors are not. they don't want war & stupidity, but they want the lifestyle that war and stupidity bring. so, i guess
unfortunately, humans have a hard time assimilating information and so must repeat the same mistakes over and over again until exhausted or dead. these times of darkness and turmoil are a collective lesson for humanity. fortunately, it is almost over. unfortunately, there will be suffering on a scale that is almost unimagineable. the most frustrating thing is that it didn't have to be this way. damn the egos! damn the greed! despite it all, lovelovelove is STILL my creed. stay strong, stay safe and do what you can to right the wrong. just remember - the body is simply a temporary vessel. the most important part, the soul, is indestructible, eternal, and far beyond the mundane machinations of the material world.

Posted by wapato ghost @ 10/27/2002 11:27 AM EST

Mourn the man for a loss of life, not for his supposedly progressive politics, which included support not only for the PATRIOT Act, but for Clinton's '96 "Anti-Terrorism" Act, for the '99 war on Yugoslavia, and for the Sept '01 resolution which gave Bush a green light to pursue this phoney "war on terrorism" (a push for total US global domination).
And if he was killed, why presume it's Bush? Why not the Democrat wing of the New World Order, which will now substitue one of its main people, Fritz Mondale, in his place?

Posted by Jack Straw @ 10/27/2002 01:27 PM EST

You said: "To not recognize that the conspiracies occur in the spirit world is to be part of the problem. Satan uses any tool available. The government is only one of his tools. Did the government decided to terrorize society with a sniper before the elections? Satan sure did, because he wants conservatives in power. Posted by Gary Novak @ 10/26/2002 02:39 AM EST"

As a conservative, let me tell you that you are mostly right. But conservatives are also being victimized by the Illuminati and their front man GW Bush. Please, please, don't mistake those psychotic killers with conservatives.

Posted by David Batlle @ 10/27/2002 01:54 PM EST

By the way things are going,looks like in due time there might be another civil war in the US,when the ppl wake up.
And it will be like nothing ever seen before.
Nostrodomus,I wouldnt consider many of the things stated here as conspiracys considering they have proof to the claims.

Posted by n00b @ 10/27/2002 01:56 PM EST

Conservative, liberal, progressive, anarchist, its all garbage. There is only good and evil. What is clear is that Wellstone was a good man who believed in the system and attempted to improve it from within. Anyone who takes a little time to research the Bush/CIA/Nazi/Masonic/New World Order/Military Industrial Complex Cabal will quickly learn why they wouldn't want a Wellstone around and that they would certainly stoop to murder in order to shift the power balance of the Senate. Now pick a side and let's get on with it.

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/27/2002 03:53 PM EST

"I know there must be a Heaven for I am already living in Hell, may we all Harmonically live in Peace someday as well"




It's sad to say that the majority of Americans could careless about their Constitutional Rights anymore, and would rather send thousands of innocent troops to die, just so long as they can keep their gas prices under $2/gallon...but you have no fuckin' problem spending it on your 1/4 pounder w/ cheese and gettin' your ass fat while our boys get slaughtered for a pointless cause and then you sue McDonald's for YOUR sorry ass decision.

Being Coleman was selectively picked by Bush himself as the republican frontrunner (ie. Tim Pawlenty was first and Cheney telephoned him to tell him to backoff and give it to Coleman) everything Bush passes in front of Coleman will be passed. War, more contstitutional restrictions, ect. This would be not representative of the people of Minnesota, that is why we had put our beloved Wellstone in office for the last 12 years, and our independent governor as well. Whats next, a voting scandal on our election too, well please know that we are one of the better educated states before hand, i want to know what is going to happen to the absentee votes that were already casted to Wellstone, no doubt Colemen will get his, but will the Democrats be accredited with theirs?

To support Mitchel Cohen's comments about the fact concerning being a Jew, Wellstone was in fact Jewish as well, however he did support a free land for the Palestinian people, which is against Bush's policies as well. Israel was established after WWII, they basically invaded the land of Palestine. Kinda funny how the poor Palestinians are the one's that are portrayed by our brainwashing media as negative/terrorists. They are just rightfully defending themselves so, and by all means even taking their own lives to defend their beliefs. I don't care if the Jews were there first, the Native Americans were here before us, so in the shadow of that would suggest they should rightfully get their land back as well. Seems funny how all of a sudden they recently found the remains of a man dated 9000 years back that suggest that the Natives weren't here first, but that doesn't suggest how the man got there either. And all of a sudden the found the box of Jesus??? LMFAO....what fuckin' next. What ever happened to fuckin' peace?? Whose to say what religion is right, there are hundreds of them, and if you beleive in one does not mean you should doubt any other, that would just go to show our IGNORANCE as stated above. There are just as many languages out there, you tell me which is right...English, Spanish, Japanese, Sign Language??...They are all effective means of communication. We learn multiple languages, why not follow multiple religious beliefs, for beleiving in religion is beleiving in a higher power, one thing all religions share, which goes to show we all came as one. We collectively live on this one planet, everything we materistically and essentially have has came from the sole Earth we share, from the food we eat, to the clothes on your back, to your PS2's and gas guzzling SUV's....you name IT and tell me where the roots of it came from. Man sure lived fine without that shit many years back....but this just all goes back to my stated problem with ameriKa.

Thanks to "Mr. Bill" for adding to my comments about the suggestion of Electro-Magnetic Interference, that is a very good lead to look into. Seems funny how the pilots radioed in for landing but there was no call for MAYDAY, all within 2 min. time!!!! Perhaps it was recorded on the cockpit voice recorder though, and they are covering it up that there wasn't one. This has hit me particularily hard as I do live within a 5 min. drive of the crash site, unfortunately at the time I was at work. If anyone has suggestions or anything to add please let me know.

And to the Anti-conspiracy people posting here, this is not a conspiracy. This is collective human knowledge and intelligence looking into a tragic event that our unfortunate bias media filters out in the hope of brainwashing the weak with far from actual truth.

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>We will see a Revolution, it's time to stand up, May PEACE be with the PEOPLE<

Posted by synapse @ 10/27/2002 04:29 PM EST

ROTFL makes a good point about checking the facts and is right about those mistakes in the article. I would argue that in the case of Carnahan, certainly no one expected that his wife would run and win. This is sadly impossible in Wellstone's case. Secondly, Mondale though "liberal" is no Wellstone in terms of his ability to inspire people. Let's see how Mondale does in place of Wellstone, who by most accounts was starting to pull ahead in the race. Thirdly, even if the 74 year old Mondale wins, the loss of the younger Wellstone would still constitute a net victory for evil interests unless Mondale really steps to the plate and can last.

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/27/2002 04:37 PM EST

Note to FireChannel---

It's called Revolution, it does happen, and it does work!

Posted by synapse @ 10/27/2002 04:43 PM EST

Attn: synapse. Though there certainly are conspiracies, a plane did in fact crash into the pentagon. This is verified by eye-witnesses and debris. The reason why it did not cause more damage to the building is because the plane first impacted on the pavement in front of the building. The idea that a plane was not used in the pentagon attack is in fact disinformation to discredit real conspiracies surounding the event such as why the numerous prior warnings went unheaded, why Bush cancelled FBI investigations into the Bin Laden family whom he was in business with through enterprises such as the Carlyle Group, why the plane was allowed to even reach the pentagon, etc, etc, the list goes on and on.

Avid CNN watcher I'll bet?

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/27/2002 05:09 PM EST

Much Respect should be extended to Voxfux for risking his life to wake the obviously slumbering populous up. I live in Texas and I have to tell you, people here are like zombies. They don't have the slightest attachment to what is really going on. They sit on their asses (most of which are simply too fat) and digest whatever the media doles out and become bloated lumps of misinformed and disinformed fat. Sorry but that's the way I see it.

I am from London and can't wait to get back. Or at least, the hell out of Texas.

Posted by Brits for vox! @ 10/27/2002 08:39 PM EST

In light of the untimely crash of Senator Paul Wellstone’s plane, I thought it would be pertinent to examine some of history’s infamous aircraft “accidents.”

Let’s start with 1960.

America first learned about the U-2 in May 1960, when pilot Gary Powers was shot down over Sverdlovsk, Russia.
By the time Mr. Powers went down in 1960, there had been almost two dozen incursions into Soviet airspace. The first pilot crossed over on the Fourth of July in 1956. "I knew they couldn't reach me," recalls Carmine Vito, the man in the cockpit that day.
Mr. Vito's flight took him directly over downtown Moscow. "I could see them [Soviet fighter aircraft] scrambling, two of them collided," he remembers. "But Kelly [Johnson] said they couldn't get at us, and he was right." An emergency landing Vito made in 1956 at California's Palm Springs airport illustrates the speed needed to keep the U-2 a secret. Within moments, a team of mechanics rolled up and had the plane totally disassembled in 23 minutes.
They loaded it into a C-124 cargo plane that had landed while disassembly was in progress. Few even knew the plane had been there. Those who saw it had no idea what it was.
The plane with the massive wing-span that "loves to fly" was conversely the plane that hated to land. "We all had difficulty bringing it down," says Hervey Stockman, another of the original six pilots.
Flight engineers used to chase the descending planes in a station wagon across a dry lake bed, telling the pilot how close his landing gear was to the ground.
"The first time they brought me to that room, just before they (the C.I.A.) started talking to me about this plane", tells U-2 pilot Bob Erikson, "they turned on the tap in the bathroom and the volume of the radio very loud, in case some spy might be hanging around." That is how you perceive the atmosphere of secrecy surrounding this plane.
Right from the end of World War Two, a heavy tension grew among the Allies. Little by little, from Berlin blockade to Korea war, the upsetting atmosphere of Cold War developed, and both Americans and Soviets came to suspect each other of attempting mutual annihilation.
In 1954, when a Myasischev M-4 strategic bomber popped up above the traditional May 1st celebrations, which were a shop-window for the Soviet military force, the American political and military establishment got scared.
Since 1952, Dwight "Ike" Eisenhower was the President of the USA. Stalin died two months after his nomination, which gave "Ike" good hope to open a policy of dialogue with Moscow. As he intended to put an end to the Cold War, he had to confront with a violently anticommunist Republican opposition and the military who demanded more resources. CIA diarist Donald Welzenbach explains: "The US Air Force claimed that the Soviets were manufacturing many more bombers that we were and demanded more funds to massively increase their own bomber fleet."
It is in this atmosphere of quasi-paranoia that one of the most secret programs in the history of aviation, the Lockheed U-2 "spy-plane", was developed. That way, instead of conducting the American politics according to hearsay, "Ike" would have reliable intelligence at his disposal.
On July 4th, 1957, U-2 pilot Hervey Stockman flew over Minsk on the occasion of an initial assignment over USSR. After having been identified by some Soviet radar, he was chased and attacked by MiG fighters unable to fly above a 50,000-ft ceiling, and they could not reach for him. That was followed by a long series of observation flights that led the U-2 spy-planes to fly regularly over Soviet Union. Dino Brugioni, an expert from the CIA in the interpretation of air photographs, says: " After a few months, we could affirm that the threat of bombardment did not exist. We had eradicated President Eisenhower's main source of concern.
This enabled Eisenhower, for at least some time, to get rid of his war-crazed opponents and to some extent nurture some kind of dialogue with Nikita Khruschev, with whom he was building up a bilateral disarmament and atmospheric nuclear test termination process.
The "bleeps" broadcast by Sputnik 1 on October 4th 1957 shook the Pentagon like a thunderstorm. If the Soviets were able to put a small radio transmitter in orbit, they could then fire nuclear missiles over the USA!
Therefore, "Ike" reluctantly authorized further flights over USSR, as he acknowledged later: "I would have considered such a violation of our air space by the Soviets as an act of war."
Under CIA pressure, as they needed information about a Soviet missile base, "Ike" authorized an ultimate assignment over Soviet territory, the longest "overflight" ever. On May, 1st 1960, Gary Powers, the most experienced U-2 pilot, took off from Peshawar base in Pakistan, to Bodø in Norway: a 3,800 mile flight, of which 2,900 miles were over Soviet ground.
At first the flight unfolded normally, with a huge number of photographs being taken, but as he was turning over Sverdlovsk, Powers noticed a trail of condensation following the same course as his: a fighter was trying to intercept him, but he was far too low anyway to constitute a real threat. Suddenly, there was a terrible noise at the rear, and the airplane entered into an inverted spin, with its nose up. Instead of using his ejector seat, Powers waited until he reached the 33,000 ft level to drop his canopy and jumped out at 15,000 ft. only because of oxygen connection problems. His parachute unfolded normally and he was captured right from the moment he touched ground.
You can read the 18 page now-declassified statement the CIA's Allen Dulles gave to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, published on May 30, 1960 at the FOIA website at: http://www.foia.ucia.gov/scripts/doc.asp?docRawURL=/docs/doc_000009190/asc_000009190.txt
As Col. Prouty has said, even though Dulles gave this statement and it was released publicly in 1975, the mainstream press has continued to ignore that Powers' U2 was NOT shot down.
The only possible explanation was that Powers' U2 was sabatoged prior to his Soviet mission.

The late Col. L. Fletcher Prouty expands on this scenario:
In the still early morning at Peshawar, the operational team had just
finished flashing their message to Washington: "Puppy 68" was off and on his
way to Norway via Sverdlovsk. The watch officer in the special U-2 control
office in downtown Washington got that word shortly after 8:30pm on the
evening of April 30. Dick Bissell, the Agency man in charge of the U-2
project, was notified immediately. Then, in short succession four other men
were called. One by one they heard the same information, "Puppy 68 is away."
President Eisenhower was at his favorite retreat, Camp David, with Prime
Minister Macmillan of Great Britain, putting the finishing touches on plans
for the summit conference. De Gaulle had just left Washington, and Macmillan
and De Gaulle were scheduled to meet again in Paris on May 5. All was well
with the world. The aging men who had led the world through World War II and
then through the bitterness of the Cold War were preparing to culminate
their long efforts in a great summit conference and then, one by one, lay
down Krushchev's Challenge: the mantle of government to a new generation who
would reap the benefits of peace - hopefully true and lasting peace.
The fate of the world hung in the balance somewhere between these earnest
plans for peace and the miles remaining ahead of that U-2 as it neared
Sverdlovsk. This was not the normal U-2 flight. Much was made of the fact
that the pilot had with him a vial (needle) of poison; so that rather than
expose his native land to charges of willful violation of the air space and
sovereignty of the Soviet Union, he could silence himself in death. The code
of the spy. Yet little was made of the antithetical fact that the pilot also
had a parachute which would save his life. Much was made of the fact,
afterwards, that this was a "civilian" aircraft and that it was flown by a
"civilian" pilot. Yet this pilot had been permitted to carry with him on
this flight his military identification card, complete with name and
picture, along with a pocketful of other identifying cards, all of which
easily placed him at military installations, in military instrument flight
schools, and on military facilities just days before the flight. He was
hardly a deniable spy.
[My opinion: (Jim)
ALL ALL rpt ALL covert operators are stripped naked and "inspected" to be
sure they are NOT carrying ANY identifying materials!]
Furthermore, the number of identification items that he had with him made it
clear that he was less a true civilian and more a civilian cover spy pilot.
He was in the same mold as Allen Pope in 1958, who was captured by the
Indonesians, and of the Air Force crew that was shot down in Armenia also in
1958. By that time the Russians had plenty of evidence to know that
"civilian" pilots belonged to the CIA by way of the U.S. Air Force.
However, in his book, The Craft of Intelligence, Allen Dulles makes much of
the fact that operation of such sophisticated aircraft could scarcely have
been kept a secret. It wasn't! As he wrote, "Sooner or later, certainly this
would have leaked out." Since this was so certain, then why did the U.S.
Government have to give out untrue cover stories? And why did they have to
permit Powers to carry so much identification when it would have been better
to limit the leak as much as possible? Even if he had died, they would have
had all the information they needed. How did it happen that they broke with
policy procedures for that special flight by letting him take off loaded
with incriminating evidence that proved he was a U.S. spy pilot? Who was it
who wanted this special U-2 flight on May 1, 1960, two weeks before the
summit conference, to fail and then to become so glaring an admission of
guilt when it did fail that it would inevitably doom the summit conference
along with it? The incidence of these things, too many things, give weight
to the thought that this flight was intended to be something rather special.
But these are only details that came up after the flight. The special
question about this flight and this plane and this pilot was, "Who sent him
out in the first place? What was this flight supposed to gain that could
have been worth one particle of what it lost?''
When the plane went down, its signals faded and it was lost from tracking
radar. The engine had stopped, and Powers was gliding the plane down from
its extreme altitude, which was so high that the air's oxygen content was
insufficient to support combustion. The normal combustion of the jet engine
at that altitude had to be assisted by the infusion of a trace of raw
hydrogen from a small liquid hydrogen cryogenic storage bottle. If by some
chance the engine either coughed itself out, or if something happened to
this slight hydrogen supply and the engine flamed out, it could not be
restarted at that altitude. The pilot would have had no recourse other than
to let down and see if he could restart the engine at some lower altitude.
The evidence that the engine would not restart even at thirty thousand feet
indicates that the trouble was most likely hydrogen deficiency and not a
normal fuel flameout. Had it been a simple flameout and had there been
plenty of hydrogen, the engine should have restarted, as others had in
similar circumstances.
When the plane did not restart, Powers was forced to let it continue to
spiral toward the earth, and then at a safer altitude either bail out (a
high altitude bailout is dangerous and violent) or continue on down to the
ground. Actually, some of the early pictures of the U-2 showed an aircraft
that was relatively undamaged, when one considers that the Russian story was
that it was hit by a rocket in the air and then crashed into the ground. We
may never really know whether Powers parachuted because he was hit by
Russian rockets or gunfire or whether he parachuted simply to leave a plane
that was doomed to crash anyhow. The elaborate pictures of the plane, which
the Soviets released at the trial, show neither bullet damage nor rocket
fragment damage, although at that point neither would be important; the
plane was going to come down. If it had not been on the way down, neither
rockets nor bullets would have been able to bring it down in those days.
In the belief and the hope that the crash had been unobserved and
undiscovered by the Russians, Allen Dulles suggested that the administrator
of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, T. Keith Glennan,
release a preprepared cover story. Glennan reported that a high altitude
weather research aircraft on a flight from Adana, Turkey, was missing and
that "it might have accidentally violated Soviet air space."
This was the initiative Krushchev had been waiting for. On the fifth of May,
five long days after the plane had landed, he reported that an American
plane had been shot down over Russian territory. He gave no more detail than
that, although he did harangue about American war-mongers....
Those who knew the real fate of the U-2 remained silent, and those who did
not went through the paces like automatons.
Then, on May 7 Krushchev moved in for the kill: "Comrades, I must let you in
on a secret". "When I made my report I deliberately refrained from
mentioning that the pilot was alive and safe and that we had the remnants of
the plane. We did this deliberately, because had we given out the whole
story, the Americans would have thought up another version." He then went on
to give the whole story in detail. However, he stopped short of accusing
Eisenhower of knowing that the flight had been ordered over the Soviet
Union. It is entirely possible, in fact it is most probably the whole truth,
that Eisenhower did not know that the U-2 had been dispatched on that
fateful flight. Krushchev offered him an out when he said, "I am prepared to
grant that the President had no knowledge of a plane being dispatched to the
Soviet Union and failing to return; but that should alert us still more."
The Russian Premier was ready to say, "We are so close to the summit and to
peace. I am ready to accept that this was a cruel and terrible provocation
made by others without the knowledge of the American President." Let the
President stand up and say that he had no knowledge of this flight, and then
back up his statement by firing Allen Dulles, Dick Bissell, and those other
four men who had pressed so hard for this flight. This was the challenge and
that was the price. There was still a chance that Ike could have his long
dreamed of summit conference; but now he would have to pay the price. Thus
Eisenhower was put to the biggest test of his entire career. Could he clean
Many years later it was President Richard M. Nixon who said, "When you
inherit a nightmare..." - and that was as far as he went with his thought.
President Kennedy after the Bay of Pigs had the same nightmare. President
Eisenhower had come within two weeks of achieving not only the goal of an
aging President who had given his entire adult life to his country; but of
realizing the hope of the entire country for a lasting and hopeful peace.
No one will ever know just why he turned down Krushchev's gambit. No one
will ever know why he decided to back the ST at a time when it had permitted
his plans to be shattered. Did he simply believe that his course was the
only honest way out and that someone in his Administration had made an
innocent mistake; or did he succumb to a greater pressure?
It was not only the U-2 that had trapped him. The ST had armed and equipped
a major force of tens of thousands of Tibetans high beyond the Himalayas; it
had thousands of Cubans under arms and in training all over the North
American continent, from the Canal Zone to many sites in the United States
it was deeply entwined in the politics and economy and rebellions of Africa;
and already the United States, which had seldom seen armies in its own
streets, was becoming accustomed to the roar of heavy trucks and the march
of feet in embattled inner cities. Did Eisenhower really have a choice?
Could he just fire Allen Dulles and a few of his top lieutenants and clean
house that simply? He knew that he could not. Those other men who had seen
to it that all the little things fell into place and that the U-2 had gone
aloft on that precise day were men of the ST, and wiping out Dulles and his
staff would not touch them.
All of these things took on a new meaning and a totally new warning. The
President may have realized that he was not really in charge of events, and
he could not honestly say that he didn't know what was going on; yet he had
never seen the picture in its totality before. There was no other way out.
President Eisenhower did the only thing he could. He announced to the world
that he had known about the flight and that it had been his sole
responsibility as Commander in Chief of the United States.
With that, Krushchev had no choice but to face the same facts, his way. How
could he hope to reach a peaceful settlement and meaningful agreements with
a President who was admitting to the world that at the very time he had been
speaking peace he had been plotting overflights and the invasion of the
territorial integrity of not only the Soviet Union, but of China and Tibet
and Cuba. Krushchev had no alternative either. All hope for a successful
summit conference had gone. The leaders of the world attended the conference
individually but all was lost. With this great disaster the fifteen year
search for a peaceful settlement in a world menaced by the atomic bomb came
to an end. Vietnam lay ahead.
In his other book or articles Col. Prouty details that this specific U-2 had
it's top secret camera removed and was carrying a WW2 bomber camera. Someone
knew very well far ahead of time that this particular U-2 was NOT coming
While it might be easy for some to dismiss Col. Prouty's work as a "JFK Conspiracy Theorist" (whatever that means.) In light of the other sources and sworn testimony presented by even the Director Of the CIA at the time, it gets a little harder to claim this U-2 was shot-down or compromised by Oswald's "defections." Somebody was disloyal if not defective.
So the answer to the question posed "Who shot down Gary Power's U-2?" has to be no one or at the least no one before it was disabled.

Let’s move forward to 1972

Hale Boggs
He sat on the Warren Commission, which concluded that President Kennedy was slain by a lone assassin.
Congressman Hale Boggs was the only dissenting member of the Warren Commission who refused to sign the Warren Report until just before it was submitted.
Later, in 1971 and '72, Boggs began making public statements that J.Edgar Hoover´s FBI was wire-tapping Congress and blackmailing public officials. Boggs had misgivings at the "lone assassin" finding of the Warren Commission panel of which he had been a part in 1964 and had said, "I had strong doubts about it." He named Warren Commission staff member Arlen Specter as a major cover-up artist.
In a speech in 1971, Boggs accused the FBI of tapping his phone... and publicly denounced the Bureau´s "gestapo tactics".
Boggs was reportedly prepared to make public statements that Richard M. Nixon was complicit in the JFK murder. Nixon was there all day, that bloody time in Dallas, although falsely stating he left that morning by plane. [Sherman Skolnick was on a Dallas radio show with a former Director of Pepsico Bottlers, whose counsel in 1963 was Nixon. He said Nixon did not leave that morning and when the murder was announced, Nixon, unlike the others gathered for a business convention, wanted to continue conducting business as usual as if nothing had happened.]
Congressman Boggs´ plane disappeared on a flight in Alaska from Anchorage to Juneau on Oct 16, 1972, less than 30 days before Nixon was re-elected President in 1972.
U.S. Military Intelligence, jointly with other U.S. espionage agencies reportedly located the Congressman´s airplane but have concealed that and the story has always stood that the aircraft was never found.
Twenty years later, in 1992, a Freedom of Information Act Request by Roll Call Magazine unearthed an FBI telex indicating that the plane was located and never retrieved. Information obtained by a government verified source described the location of the plane and stated that there were two survivors shortly after the plane disappeared. The information indicated an undisclosed "firm" involved in testing advanced surveillance equipment had located the crash. The informant had a military background, according to the FBI document obtained by Roll Call. The FBI telex was sent to the Washington, D.C. FBI headquarters where it was presumably passed to the Acting Director, L. Patrick Gray. The previous director, J. Edgar Hoover, had been in a significant conflict with Boggs, who called for his resignation on the floor of the Congress. Boggs was one of the most powerful people in the country at a time when misuse of power was just beginning to be seen, culminating in the resignation of the President of the United States Richard Nixon.

To view the actual FBI telex (heavily censored but readable), click on the following links:

The uncovering of this FBI document clearly indicates Boggs' plane was located and there was evidence of survivors.
What exactly happened then?

Apparently Boggs´ airplane had been sabotaged to silence him on statements he was about to make about Tricky Dick.
The History Channel devoted an episode of it’s “Histories Mysteries” to this incident entitled “Alaska’s Bermuda Triangle”.
NOTE: one month AFTER Nixon was re-elected, 12 Watergate figures perished on a sabotaged plane crash in Chicago, including Mrs. E.Howard Hunt, wife of the Watergate burglar. She had onboard two million dollars in securities she and her husband reportedly blackmailed out of Nixon for silence on Nixon´s complicity in the JFK murder.
According to Sherman Skolnick, "the government attempt at cover-up of the Chicago crash as "pilot error" was wrecked when we "liberated" the entire government file, showing sabotage, and sued the fakers on the National Transportation Safety Board. Despite confronting NTSB with these documents at a re-opened public hearing, the NTSB continued the big lie. Rockefeller-owned United Air Lines, covering up the sabotage, arranged to stop in the printing cycle my book, "The Secret History of Airplane Sabotage" [Alas, no copies are now available.]"
Note: But the entire manuscript can now be read on Mr. Skolnick's website at: http://www.skolnicksreport.com/shistory.html

Some of the other interesting points surrounding the Alaska disappearance include the fact that Boggs was taken to the airport for the first leg of the trip by a young democrat named Bill Clinton who later, as President, appointed Congressman Boggs' wife Lindy to the position of US Ambassador to the Vatican after she served eighteen years in the Congress after her husband's disappearance.

The Official FAA Report on the "crash":

Plane Crash Information
DATE: 10/16/1972
TIME: c 09:00
LOCATION: Off the Alaska coast
AIRLINE: Private
AC TYPE Cessna 310
DETAILS: The plane was on a flight from Anchorage to Juneau when it disappeared as it was approaching the Chugach Mountain range. Louisiana Congressman and House Majority Leader Hale Boggs, Alaska Congressman Nick Begich and his aide Russ Brown, and pilot Don Jonz killed. Cause unknown.

I have been in touch with Nick Begich Jr., son of the lost Alaska politician and he is convinced there is more to the story of his father's disappearance than what is "officially" known.

An Update” by Sherman H. Skolnick at: http://www.skolnicksreport.com/jfkjr.html
More of the Same?” by Sherman H. Skolnick at: http://www.skolnicksreport.com/aircrashes.html

Footnote: Since 1958,Mr. Skolnick has been a court reformer. Since 1963, founder/chairman, “Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts”, disclosing instances of judicial and other bribery and political murders. Since 1991, a regular panel member and since 1995, moderator/producer of "Broadsides", a one hour weekly public access Cable TV Show cablecast in Chicago. For a heavy packet of our printed stories, send $5.00[U.S. funds] and a stamped, self-addressed business sized envelope [#10 size, 4-1/4 x 9-1/2] WITH THREE STAMPS ON IT, to Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts, Sherman H. Skolnick,chairman, 9800 So. Oglesby Ave., Chicago IL 60617-4870. Office: 8 a.m. to midnight, 7 days- (773) 375-5741 [PLEASE no "Just Routine" calls]. Before sending FAX, call us.

With so many troubling issues revealed in past air “mishaps”, it’s only appropriate to demand a full, public investigation into the Wellstone crash—wherever it may lead.

Posted by Jerry Fletcher @ 10/27/2002 09:00 PM EST

right now only god knows what happened to that plane. whoever was involved god knows that too.

dont despair...

i know it seems that bad people like him seem to get away with (murder?) and nothing happens to them. but trust me that god truly sees EVERYTHING they do and they will be judged by god as will you and i. they may get away with things on earth but they will still have to stand in front of god and answer for them.

so hang in there!

i almost want the republicans to control all 3 branches of government because then they wont have anyone else to blame...

Posted by me @ 10/27/2002 09:25 PM EST

America has never changed

Posted by dont trust me @ 10/27/2002 09:47 PM EST

Sorry Mr. Eleven---Don't have the channel so how could I watch it?? I don't believe in the bias media so why shell out $$$ for bullshit. Just have basic cable so I could get broadband baby. The internet is unfiltered free communication, remember the recent hack on the backbone of the internet...well you can bet it was your good old gov't testing to see if they can down the net to stop free communication when shit hits the fan. Then all they are gonna feed you is the bullshit through CNN and the other brainwashing network portals so they have control of what you hear and where you here it, what happened to freedom of the press and free speech???. TV ain't worth my time to watch.

Posted by synapse @ 10/27/2002 10:02 PM EST

Sure there's tons of false information on CNN but there's even more false information on the internet. But what are we arguing about? You posted a web address that claims no plane hit the pentagon. Now I'm not denying that there are massive government conspiracies afoot but I do know that all these witnesses can't be lying about seeing a plane hit the pentagon: http://www.dragonslair.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/77/witnesses.html
Wellstone may or may not have been assassinated but it is very suspicious at the very least.

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/27/2002 10:30 PM EST

But Guess what MR. ELEVEN this site is not dedicated to fomenting doubt about our horrible condition. This site is an activist site ment to activate people, so your, "cast doubt in each and every post" methodology signals that you r a disrupter. Why do you care so much about the minute anal details of vox's reportage, if, as you claim, there are so many "massive" government conspiracies, just why the fuck do you feel it so urgent to nit pick vox's work and us to death. If these government conspiracies are so "massive" then just one question: What the fuck r u doing about it besides being a dinglebury dangling off the asshairs of VOXFUX. Voxfux is damn near gonna get knocked off by these Illuminati motherfuckers and you are sitting there like some Chihuahua nipping at his ankles.
Go out and do something and stop yappin' at vox.


Posted by COTDC @ 10/28/2002 12:20 AM EST

Yea, the writing here is amazing. Did anybody read vox's court room makeover article in the NEW WORLD ORDER series one article down. It is completely halarious. He (She?) goes from complete hardest of hard core journalism or whatever you want to call it, to writing these comedy pieces. I love the writing.
Keep safe vox - I read you every morning and night.

Posted by Lindy (Manchester, Eng) @ 10/28/2002 12:53 AM EST

Mr ELEVEN is doing the same work as Goebbel was doing for Germany under Hitler.

The caste of the merchants (capitalists) need their Goebbels (caste of the intellectuals) as they also need the caste of the worriers (military) in order to consolidate their power.

The caste of the merchants or the illuminati (merchants with thirst for money and power) are not physical fighters, nor intellecuals, so they use these people for their own self interest.

Mr Eleven still does not know that he is used, but as far as he's getting paid for, that's ok for him.

America today defecate on the graves of their forefathers who gave their lives for them.
Sad world indeed!

Posted by Non illuminato @ 10/28/2002 04:18 AM EST

Hey COTDC, I have only praise for VOX and have hardly picked his or your work to death. Just because I challenge the FALSE claim some people make that "no plane hit the pentagon" you label MR. ELEVEN a "disrupter." Actually I was responding to another email because when some people read that "no plane hit the pentagon" crap they then dismiss all theories including VOX's good work. So who's the "disrupter?" As to what am I doing about the massive conspiracies myself, I'm edjucating people my friend. As for the illuminati, they use uninformed people who think that "no plane hit the pentagon" to cast public doubt on genuine conspiracy theories. Your friend Geobbels did exactly the same thing just like they used the jews and the fake Protocols to distract people from real illuminati/elite/mercantilist plans. Its called psyops. Am I wrong?

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/28/2002 06:41 AM EST

If politics is spirituality demonstrated, then America's gravitation to visciousness is a result of our fundamental core philosophy, our so-called "christian heritage". This explains how Bush-Ashcroft-Cheney can hold power, because they appeal to an aspect deeply cherished in the core belief of Americans. Sure, there are a few courageous people shouting the truth like Voxfux but how do you explain how the masses go along with the deceptions of Bush and Company? So what is the flaw in our fundamental beliefs that allows the corruption to flourish? How many Americans BELIEVE that we are in end times as written in Revelations? How many Americans BELIEVE that God is in charge of who holds power and thus nothing can be done about the situation? Do not our thoughts manifest into the physical plane, are not our elected leaders a flowering of our highest thoughts, our collective will, our true intentions?

America is in a spiritual crisis, she is going through a big change no different than France did some 200 years ago and Germany did about 70 years ago. Napoleon ---> Hitler ---> Bush. A repetitive pattern that is knowable and understandable.

Think about it, what has to happen if we refuse to change and grow? What will Nature do if breed to the limit of the petri dish? What happens to a political system stuck in outdated thought systems? A big revolution happens and the existing order is forced to roll over - is it Satan or is it God or is it Nature, a natural process of evolution and growth.

Bush represents the previous order: the big-gas-guzzling-texas-steerhorn-on-the-surburban-brazen-consumption-as-an-american-birthright mentality. So its let's unite and go steal the Iraqi oil to keep our SUV tanks full of cheap petrol and we get to rule the world because that option is a lot better than changing our ways.

Bush is like the spoiled 4 year old that is having a fit. Nature is going to give this spoiled child a spanking. We are going to change whether we like it or not. Bush represents that which is immature within our psyches. The unfortunate reality is that if we kill to get oil, we get killed. What goes around comes around. September 11, 2001 is our collective karma, the chickens coming home to roost.

Posted by thinking spiritual man @ 10/28/2002 09:48 AM EST

'Spiritual man' is exactly right. 'Person with a functioning brain' should heed his words. Without significant spiritual repentance, the forces at play are essentially unstoppable because the crisis is formost a spiritual one. Do people honestly think electing Nadar, or Buchanan, or Keys, or McCain, etc. etc. bla bla will solve the crisis? Do people honestly think a revolution will solve the crisis? This does not mean that a revolution would/should not occur. Rather, that what is more important is spiritual repentance.

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/28/2002 10:12 AM EST

Now that Bush has taken care of Wellstone, who's next? My thought is that he'll go after Dixie Carter. He's an unstoppable juggernaut, that Bush.

Posted by Fremont Sparrowhawk @ 10/28/2002 10:20 AM EST

I have a theory about how Wellstone's plane crashed. I think
these are the significant details:
[1] the plane was landing using instrumentation "zeroed in" on a
directional transmitter at the end of the airport runway;
[2] the pilot made no problem report-- he thought everything was OK;
[3] the plane turned abruptly;
[4] no other plane traffic was in the area.

So, why would the pilot purposely turn away from the airport?

I think if one simply put a stronger transmitter on a stealth fighter and
fly from the airport off to the south, Wellstone's pilot would follow it.
To get him to hit the ground, you'd need another transmitter on the
ground in a car or truck.

The airport radars would never see the stealth fighter and would
never figure it out. So who has a stealth fighter available?

Posted by Peter @ 10/28/2002 10:20 AM EST

Man, I'm glad I found this website. Somebody's finally speaking the truth. I think you should now investigate how C&W singer Tom T. Hall is trying to take over the world throught 2 minute 30 second ditties. I'm not kidding. That's exactly how long it takes to start a nuclear holocaust.

Posted by Dallas Disney @ 10/28/2002 10:23 AM EST

Its ok if in 20 years the world isnt nuked,Oliver Stone will make a movie about all this.
Im still waiting for the national archives to show what really happened with JFK...

Posted by n00b @ 10/28/2002 01:39 PM EST

You are either with us or you are with the terrorists.

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/28/2002 01:57 PM EST

Check out the tail end of this article...


Meanwhile, investigators have so far found nothing in the wreckage that points to a cause of Friday's crash, reports CBS News Correspondent Bob Orr.

But National Transportation Safety Board acting chair Carol Carmody says investigators have some leads.

She says at the time of the crash, pilots reported "light and rime icing" on planes. "Rime" refers to tiny ice crystals.

But she says Wellstone's plane was equipped with deicing equipment.

Carmody also says as the plane neared the airport in Eveleth, Minnesota, it began to drift off course and lose speed.

But she says "everything had been completely normal" up to when controllers lost contact.

Carmody says F-A-A investigators have learned navigational gear at the airport was "slightly out of tolerance."

But she says they're not sure how significant that is.

The plane, a King Air 100, was not equipped with a flight data or voice recorder. There was no radio distress call, and radar shows the plane in what seems to be a normal approach down to where the radar drops out, about 400 feet above the ground.

The impact crater shows the plane had turned away from the runway for some reason, suggesting a number of possibilities – an attempted go-around, disorientation, or loss of control. No scenario is currently provable.

The pilots had been warned of icing conditions in the area of the crash and icing remains a likely culprit. But some investigators say the worst icing conditions were at altitudes above where Wellstone's plane was flying, and the existence of "light snow" near the surface argues against freezing rain in the immediate vicinity of the crash. In any case, an intense post-crash fire wiped out any evidence of icing, if there ever was any.

A competing theory – and one gaining credence among investigators – is that the pilots simply got too low in their instrument approach in very poor conditions (400-foot ceiling and one-quarter mile visibility) and clipped some trees.

Finally, investigators say there is no evidence of terrorism.

All of this taken together makes this crash incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to solve.

© MMII, CBS Worldwide Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Posted by anonymous @ 10/28/2002 02:46 PM EST

First of all, I would like to point out that waxing Bush wouldn't change shit. He is just a small puppet in a massive power play. He as his second in comand and his dad's cia and mi6 pals that would be more than happy to take his place. By the way MR. Eleven is a government spy!

Posted by Link @ 10/28/2002 03:09 PM EST

I've done some heavy thinking over the weekend, had numerous people try to convince me Wellstone's death was a mere "accident," been called crazy and shunned by some places on the "left" I used to write for.....and I still think Wellstone was hit by a covert intelligence group as you say. I find the scenario of the use of a focused electro-magnetic pulse (EMP) device quite plausible. Why can they not find the plane's black box? It's all too weird and sinister to be an accident.
I live in the Dallas area and have done extensive research into the 1963 JFK assassination in Dallas. The CIA-Illuminati was heavily involved in that, from Oswald's CIA connections to the Dallas mayor at that time being the brother of the former CIA deputy director who lost his job after the Bay of Pigs fiasco and blamed that on JFK. The Dallas mayor also changed the parade route on that fateful day so it would go right by the grassy knoll and building where Oswald and probably other snipers were, where JFK met his death.
I have interviewed numerous people who report weird things that occurred during that time, such as key witnesses dying in strange ways like mysterious plane crashes and being run over by trains in the middle of the night. I have written numerous stories on this in some mainstream papers and covered it in my book on Dallas history - and have received my share of threatening phone calls, mail opened, and the like to know I was stepping on some powerful toes. But I keep seeking the truth - those bastards aren't going to stop me from seeking the truth.
The right-wing hates having its misdeeds exposed to the light of day, and perhaps that is our greatest weapon.
There were also numerous JFK murder witnesses committing suicide in the months after that tragedy. The CIA has done extensive mind control work for decades - I know several psychics personally who have worked for the CIA - and could possibly convince someone through such mind games to commit suicide. Could they psychically work on making a plane crash? Who knows? Anything is possible.
I know the CIA, or hired former CIA agents, can make - and has made - murders look like suicides or heart attacks. I sometimes wonder if J.H. Hatfield, author of the explosive Bush biography, Fortunate Son, was such a victim last year. And what about Democratic Missouri Gov. Mel Carnahan, who was killed when his small plane crashed right before the 2000 election? What about John F. Kennedy Jr., who had intelligence, political ambitions, charisma, and the name, dying in a 1999 plane crash?
The list of high-profile Democratic politicians killed in plane crashes goes on – Commerce Secretary Ron Brown in 1996, Rep. Mickey Leland of Texas in 1989, Rep. Jerry Litton of Missouri in 1976, House Majority Leader Hale Boggs of Louisiana and Rep. Nick Begich of Alaska in 1972. High-profile Republicans have died in crashes, including Sen. John Heinz of Pennsylvania and Sen. John Tower of Texas in 1991, but not as many as Democrats – perhaps the CIA-Illuminati is just throwing in a few crashes of conservative politicians to try to throw us off base.
Since my article has appeared in America Held Hostile and other places, I have received some interesting leads. I will keep you informed on what I find out.
I am also rethinking my "fight the right" site. A lot of good people who oppose the Bush-Illuminati forces are considered on the "right." Perhaps I should change my site to "fight the Illuminati." Or perhaps I should keep it the same way and use it as a cover. Anyways, I'm just saying that my web site is not directed towards those on the "right" who oppose the Bush-Illuminati. You people fighting the Illuminati on the "right" are more courageous patriots than those on the left who work FOR the Illuminati, even if they don't know they are working for it.
Stay vigilant, stay safe, and keep working for truth, liberty and justice for all,

Posted by Jackson Thoreau @ 10/28/2002 03:21 PM EST

A small bomb was placed to destroy the steering mechanism resulting in the plane's erratic behavior during the decent - easy to place, easy to trigger by remote control and/or by altitude - so sad... And yet no one is demanding the truth as to what happened, even Kennedy, who knows damn well what happened... Is the Congress so fearful - how pathetic - this country is dead - its soul is dead - and frankly I'm getting sick of living here... I'm an Navy veteran so it is really pathetic that I'm thinking this way - but I am...

Posted by MY HUNCH @ 10/28/2002 05:28 PM EST

hey Vox, Thank God for this website so that we can all share in the sad reality that is taking over this planet... May I inquire if what is to come is not only terrorism of the highest order after the elections, but also a financial meltdown never before witnessed in the world's civilization? Is that why China has been quietly buying up every available gold nugget the world's financial markets have been selling (including our own Ft Knox which likely has nothing in it, since no one, including Congress is allowed in to inspect it)... The US and the "free world" will be impoverished as the New World Leader will be China and the Arabs who are now buying and transacting in Gold (they have dumped dollars months ago ) just curious Vox if you have been looking into this... www.gata.org has good stuff on this...

VOX COMMENT ANNOTATION: "I've got another warning. which will appear as soon as we get over the Midterm elections.
stay tuned...

Posted by Hey Vox @ 10/28/2002 05:42 PM EST

There is a new technology known as electrogravity (a.k.a. scalar electromagnetism, or negative energy tech) that could be used to down a plane. How? As ret. Col. Tom Bearden explains, "destructive interference in three dimensions of electromagnetism (along the x,y and z axes) bleeds into electrogravity." In other words, simply aim a device or devices that interfere the frequencies of the guidance devices on the plane and you can "electrogravitically" stall the electricity. This is like gravity in that it condenses the electricity, slowing it. Alternatively, it could be used to stop the ignition and the electricity in a motor. To return to the subject, among the black budget "cabal" that feared Paul Wellstone's basic common honesty and his grappler's tenacity of mind, there would be numerous motives to tip the Senate into the Bush demon box. Some sources say the whole subject of electrogravitic technology is on the verge of going public, but not among the corporate media. They are too timid, too easily controlled. What Bush and Carlyle corp. figures want is disclosure on their corrupt corporate terms--don't ask too many questions, don't investigate the reports that electrogravity was developed in federal labs but then hijacked into the hands of what were pro fascist elements (Du Pont) during the 1930's and mob-related industrialists who want to control same in order to control us. *Carlyle runs programs at Nellis Air Force base, site of numerous whistle-blower reports about "reverse-engineered" technology...

If such technology was used on Wellstone's plane, ther would be unusual ironies in the crash--if we could see a black box record of the instrumentation, for example. Sure, the engine may have cut out, but why was the plane heading at a 90 degree angle to the necessary landing approach?

Posted by z-non @ 10/28/2002 06:25 PM EST

This is just starting to get completely absurd. It's as if the Bush clan doesn't even really want to keep things low key anymore.

The last thing Bush needs now is a WMD attack. Hopefully I can get out of the country by then.

Posted by doctornoh @ 10/28/2002 07:04 PM EST

To "hey vox" I don't quite see the doom scenario yet. What good would it do to just trash the US economy? CHina's wouldn't serve them nearly as well for a long time.

If the capitalists pulling all the strings here have any clue, now is definitely not the time to switch over to China as their base of operation. China's per capita GNP is very small compared to in the USA. Their infratructure in terms of phone capacity and other vital things is definitely not ready to roll. Their culture does not have the same entreprenurial spirit as in the USA. The USA is already on line and kicking ass economically, so why not use that as the base from which to conquer the rest of the planet? Arabia is out too, as aside from the oil they have virtually nil for industrial capacity.

It would seem their easiest course of action is to keep the USA relatively productive, I mean someone has to build all the missiles and tanks that the US army is going to mow people down with, and the people that make the guns have to eat and drive their cars to work. Right now the American people are working FOR the illuminati, they have every advatage of keeping it that way in the short term. Maybe 30 years from now things will change, but who knows?

Furthermore, as far as I can tell, the illuminati don't control China yet at all. Banking in China is run by the state, they aren't an IMF debt plan. Their media is party-controlled. So, no Rothschild, no Rockefeller and their ilk, no illuminati control.

Finally, I can understand why China is buying gold, as it will become valuable in the months ahead when the Iraq war begins. Anyone in their right minds would buy gold right now, so why not China? Having a lot of gold around will even help protect them from an illuminati takeover.

Posted by biff @ 10/28/2002 08:24 PM EST

It didn't start with Carnahan and it won't end with Wellstone...


http://www.skolnicksreport.com/shistory.html Part One

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/shistory2.html Part Two

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/shistory3.html Part Three

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/shistory4.html Part Four

Posted by Scott @ 10/28/2002 09:00 PM EST

Why do you say don't contact Star Tribune newspaper or they will reprimand you?

Are you serious? I believe it, but I'm just curios because I'm thinking of atleast making some of the fake reporters have a hard time sleeping at night by sending them a letter.

I live in Minneapolis. The night before Wellstone died right when I was going to sleep the last thing I watched was a WELLSTONE ad that shows Norm Coleman talking about how HE, Norm Coleman is a democrat and he supports Bill Clinton's re-election.

The commercial goes on to say that 'Can we trust Norm Coleman'. Obviously pointing fun at the fact that he is a full out Rebpublication who once claimed to be a democrat on this choppy, obviously hard to find video.

Anyways, the only reason I remember this is like I said I was just going to sleep. So anyhow, as I fell asleep I said to myself. "They are not going to let Wellstone run this commercial one way or another".

The commercial was so damn good I could tell Coleman was definitly not going to win. It made him look like a fool.

I said to myself that atleast the country is still free enough where someone like WEllstone can run such a convincing add against a BUSH backed politician. But I wondered if Wellstone would DROP out of the race suddenly.

Bush is going to take over the world.

You know that KOREA is part of the "Axis of evil" now?

Whos next?

Can someone post some REALLY scientific links to freemasonry?
Not conspiracy theory shit but real stuff.


Posted by HELLFIRE FREEMASON @ 10/28/2002 09:20 PM EST

My bet is that Wellstone's crash will be chalked up to pilot error or equipment malfunction. There are already too many discrediting reports on the severity of the icing and I assure you the pilots would have known if the de-icing boots wern't working and they were iced. Being a pilot for many years who use to fly twins in this kind of weather I can tell you that there is one thing the pilots would never do, and that is turn away from their final approach 3 minutes from touchdown. "Unless" they were told to pull up or take a different heading for emergency reasons...and since there was no control tower at that airport that seems improbable. If they had been experiencing a loss of power or lift the last thing they would do is make a sharp turn away from the airport. I can think of no sceniro in which any pilot(s) in his right mind would abort a landing in the circumstances described.
I personally am through pretending there is any difference between the old mafia and the new government.

Posted by calypso @ 10/29/2002 12:24 AM EST

From the St. Paul Pioneer Press 10/29/2002:

Ballot troubles predicted

Fears of a Florida-style election meltdown prompted state officials Monday to clarify the rules for voting on a successor to the late U.S. Sen. Paul Wellstone, a process Gov. Jesse Ventura has questioned as possibly unfair to those who cast absentee ballots for Wellstone.

Attorney General Mike Hatch, the highest-ranking Democratic-Farmer-Labor constitutional officer in state government, and Secretary of State Mary Kiffmeyer, the highest-ranking Republican, said they have agreed on how absentee balloting will shall proceed.

The DFL will likely choose make its choice on Wellstone's successor on the ballot Wednesday night, when former Vice President Walter Mondale is expected to take over the race.

Posted by anonymous @ 10/29/2002 01:58 AM EST

[At the airport, local pilots expressed doubt. "There was little ice. It was normal. We see it all the time," said Don Sipola, a flight instructor with 25 years experience.]


Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/29/2002 06:34 AM EST

The extreme Right-Wing elements that have taken over the Presidency and U.S. have declared war on the left. As is tradition in politics in the U.S., the conservatives use violence and murder to achieve their political goals. The anthrax letters were an attempt to assassinate Democrats and then blame it on Muslim terrorists. Look for more murders and character assassinations by the conservatives against the Left in the near future. The ultimate goal is for the extreme Right-Wing to completely control the government and ensure that the Democrats, or any other political party never gets into power again.

It's funny how a couple of years ago the Republicans convinced the American public that President Clinton's diddling an intern was such a horrible thing, deserving of impeachment. Now, the current President is doing the same thing - except this time it is the U.S. citizens who are being screwed. Which is worse? You decide.

Posted by Commander X @ 10/29/2002 07:37 AM EST


With how ruthless and dangerous this "Bush Clan" is you dont seem afraid to write all of this shit. I believe that these guys do some shady stuff, but if they are as ruthless as you claim, then you better watch your back. You might be the next vicim of a Tomahawk Missle attack. Dont think they cant find you.

Posted by Tball @ 10/29/2002 10:47 AM EST

The Bush dynasty is the very definition of ghoulish evil. Poppy Bush, with his "dead-eyes" and paper lips, is like something out of a nightmare -- only he is breathing and walks among us. What's so sad is I now realize that true evil -- the type the Bushes are, can't be stopped.

Posted by GOP Insecticide @ 10/29/2002 11:22 AM EST

The coincidence of the death in conjunction with the significance of the Senate race can not be ignored, yet the 'free press' never bothers to acknowledge it. I wouldn't doubt if it was the Bush's who killed John Kennedy Jr., too.

Posted by Rougy @ 10/29/2002 12:55 PM EST

I remember that original article on Indymedia. Vox got excited about the Jeffords defection and made a series of urgent predictions afterwards. I did a search of Indymedia/voxfux but appearantly It's not all archived. Because for a while voxfux was a very regular and very vocal writer there and there are nowhere nears as many articles of his from indymedia search as I remember reading. Is there a way we could do a more thorough search of his Indymedia articles? I also remember that there was some noise made at the time of the anthrax mailings but again I cannot find it. Also, the site was different back then, it definately had the fist logo as in the senator warning article. Hope this helps.

Posted by Tannis @ 10/29/2002 02:19 PM EST

Are there any places in the world where a person could live in relative peace?

thanks. m

Posted by marilyn larson @ 10/29/2002 04:39 PM EST

Are there any places in the world where a person could live in relative peace?

thanks. m

Posted by marilyn larson @ 10/29/2002 04:42 PM EST

If you really want to do something to help,go to www.givemeliberty.org and view it.They need help with signatures and donations and maybe join them at the capital.There are four petitions to be presented to the president?And all members of Congress.You can download petitions,sign them,mail them before nov.5 and help anyway you can.it is to be ahugh demonstration.Bob Shultz is the Chairperson and his e-mail isbob@givemelibert.org.Thanks.We can all do this togeather.Peope Power.AnnSmith

Posted by Ann Lou Smith @ 10/29/2002 05:30 PM EST

Like Tannis, I also remember Voxfux's post to Indymedia after the Jefford defection. I've found IMC's search feature almost worthless. Sometimes it does work, but most of the time it's nothing but a frustrating waste of time. I'm not sure why it doesn't work well. Even trying to find a more recent post that's scrolled off the main page is a hell of a chore.

Posted by IMC reader @ 10/29/2002 07:27 PM EST

To the first commentor...

As I heard it, most peices of wreckage from the plane were smaller than the size of a quater. All victims of the crash had to be identifyed by dental records. It was the 2nd worst crash in Minnesota history.


Posted by Myjah @ 10/29/2002 10:36 PM EST

Try this: Search lexis nexis for articles pertaining to the dirty bomb (also radioligical bomb) you will see that the number of magically appearing articles pertaining to Dirty Bombs DROPPED PRECIPITOUSLY AFTER I PUBLISHED MY DIRTY BOMB WARNING.


Vox, I think this might be coincidence. From your alexa ranking, and some aditional analysis, i estimate your traffic you be several tens of thousands of hits/ day (and it was less when you first published the article). Although I think what you are doing with your site is excellent, that number seems a little small to have any real impact on the plans of the NWO, considering that the population of the united states is nearly 300 million the vast majority of whom are sadly plugged in securely to the system.

Posted by nebuchadnezzar @ 10/30/2002 12:15 AM EST

As i posted a somewhat lengthy summary of politically significant airplane "crashes" earlier in this thread and have spent a significant amount of time investigating the 1972 disappearance of Hale Boggs-Nick Begich, aide & pilot while enroute on a flight from Anchorage to Juneau, Alaska ALMOST 30 YEARS TO THE DAY OF the NOW RELEVANT AND DISTURBING Wellstone "crash", i think if you view Paul Wellstone's FINAL Campagn Ad, SCHEDULED TO AIR ON Friday, Oct 25-the day of HIS DEATH--IT IS OBVIOUS THAT WAS THE STRAW THAT BROKE SHRUB'S BACK TO THE POINT OF COMMITTING THE MURDER OF WELLSTONE, HIS FAMILY & 5 OTHER INNOCENT PEOPLE & ADDING TO HIS ALREADY EXTENSIVE LIST OF TREASONOUS HIGH CRIMES & MISDEMEANORS!

October 25, 2002

WASHINGTON – An ad that Sen. Paul Wellstone had written himself was scheduled to begin airing Friday.

"Paul scripted it and read it and said he wanted to close the campaign with it," said Jim Farrell, spokesman for the Minnesota Democrat's re-election campaign.

A male narrator starts the ad by saying, "You always know where he stands and who he stands up for. Paul Wellstone. He's fearless about challenging even the most powerful interests to do what's right for people, for Minnesota, and that's pretty rare these days."

Wellstone then comes on and says, "I don't represent the big oil companies, I don't represent the big pharmaceutical companies, I don't represent the Enrons of this world.

"But you know what, they already have great representation in Washington. It's the rest of the people that need it. I represent the people of Minnesota."


Clinton, senators _ not Cheney _ to be at Wellstone service

The Associated Press

Published Oct. 29, 2002 MNWellstoneMemorialService

MINNEAPOLIS - Many senators, former President Clinton and former Vice President Gore will attend the memorial service for Sen. Paul Wellstone Tuesday evening. But Wellstone's sons reportedly disinvited Vice President Dick Cheney, who planned to represent the Bush administration at the event.

A WHITEHOUSE SPOKESMAN TOLD THE STAR TRIBUNE OF MINNEAPOLIS THE WELLSTONES ASKED CHENEY NOT TO ATTEND (THAT SAYS A LOT, DOESN'T IT?), though he didn't provide a specific reason. However, WCCO-TV reported the family was upset with campaign activities by state and national Republicans on Monday.

Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson, former governor of Wisconsin, will represent the Bush administration at the event (FUCK THEM!), in Williams Arena on the University of Minnesota campus.

The 6:30 p.m. service will honor Wellstone, 58; his wife, Sheila, also 58; their daughter, Marcia Wellstone Markuson, 33; and campaign aides Will McLaughlin, 23, Tom Lapic, 59, and Mary McEvoy, 49. Pilots Richard Conry, 55, and Michael Guess, 30, also died in Friday's plane crash near Eveleth.

Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, and several others are expected to speak.

"I'm just going to talk about Paul Wellstone's legacy, what he meant to us as a party, but also as a Sen.," Harkin said in Iowa Monday. "Paul Wellstone was sort of a mirror for all of us to look into and see what we believed in, what we stood for and how much we were willing to fight for what we believe in."

Wellstone's campaign bus will be parked outside the arena and be used as a place for people to present flowers and other tributes. Several TV stations planned to broadcast the event and a Twin Cities technology company planned an Internet feed.

The arena, where the Minnesota basketball teams play, will seat about 15,000. A video feed will be projected in the adjacent Sports Pavilion building, with seating for another 5,000.

Security and traffic both will be heavy. Campus police were preparing for crowds to begin arriving around 4 p.m. and to begin leaving somewhere between 9 p.m. and 10 p.m.

Wellstone family members and close friends attended a private funeral for Paul and Sheila Wellstone at a Minneapolis synagogue on Monday. Their bodies were buried in Lakewood Cemetery after the service.

More than 700 students, teachers and administrators of White Bear Lake High School, where Marcia Wellstone Markuson taught, paid tribute to her at a service Monday.



Your time is at hand.
You have only a short time to redeem yourselves and to recover the Original American Vision and put into practice 2 Chronicles 7:14 which says: "IF MY PEOPLE, WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME, WILL HUMBLE THEMSELVES AND PRAY AND SEEK MY FACE AND TURN FROM THIER WICKED WAYS, THEN I WILL HEAR FROM HEAVEN AND FORGIVE THIER SIN AND WILL HEAL THIER LAND."~King James Version.
This verse is still valid, don't blow it off.

Make a change-it's NOT TOO LATE.




Posted by Jerry Fletcher @ 10/30/2002 01:11 AM EST

The truth of what really happened to Senator Paul Wellstone has been facing censorship attacks on the Internet by operatives in the intelligence agencies who are responsible for his murder. In the spirit of truth, justice and the real American way in which Paul Wellstone represented for the little guy, it is being reposted in his memory.

Was the Eveleth Airstrip Sabotaged? According to NBC news and CNN there was a set of radio-controlled runway lights at the Eveleth airport that are activated by the pilot when he clicks his radio.

Investigators Seek Clues To Crash

NTSB: Wellstone Plane Had Turned Away From Airport

Here's a page that sells the equipment for radio-controlled runway lights;


Since it costs only $500, almost anybody could buy one and put up their own set of lights with a battery, a power inverter, some wire and couple of spotlights. The final cost of all the equipment necessary would probably be around $700 to $1000. The equipment would be light enough to be carried in backpacks by operatives driving ATV's with rubber tracks on them.

What if someone set up a fake set of lights in the swamp that turned on when the pilot clicked his radio after sabotaging the real lights at the unmanned airstrip? If that's the case, then the pilot would try to land in the swamp thinking the fake lights were the airport. The rain, sleet and fog at the time would have reduced visibility to nearly zero near the ground and obscured the terrain. By the time the pilot realized he was landing in a swamp, it would be too late to pull up and plow right into the ground.

The impact into the soft muck of the swamp would explain why the fuselage was still intact and the wings and tail were torn off(according to the eyewitness pilot who found the plane). The soft muck pushing it's way up around the fuselage as the plane impacted on it's belly would break off the wings and tail. It would also make it look like an accident. Even the last person to see the plane go down said he never saw any smoke, fire or anything as if to imply the plane was landing normally.

Before any NTSB investigators arrived, the fake lights and equipment were removed to hide any evidence.

This is reminiscent of a plot from "Die Hard II" where terrorists took over the guidance software at an airport and made the pilot of a jumbo jet think the runway was 200 feet lower than it really was during the middle of a blizzard. By the time the pilot realized what was wrong, the jet smashed belly-first into the runway and blew up.

Sen. Wellstone was murdered after all.

The truth will always defeat liars, frauds and pseudo-skeptics who go out of their way to destroy it.

Posted by Aether @ 10/30/2002 01:40 AM EST

From AP this morning:

Plane carrying Senate minority leader Trent Lott lands in Mobile after reporting landing gear problems

By Associated Press, 10/29/2002 11:35
MOBILE, Ala. (AP) A plane carrying Senate minority leader Trent Lott to a campaign event in Missouri landed in Alabama after pilots reported problems with the landing gear, authorities said.

The plane, which took off from Mississippi, was rerouted to Alabama after a landing gear light malfunction, said Scott Baker, spokesman for the Missouri Republican party.

Lott, R-Miss., was on the plane, according to his office.

Sens. Peter Fitzgerald, R-Ill., and Rick Santorum, R-Pa., also had been scheduled for the flight but changed their plans, their offices said Tuesday.

Earlier, Ann Wagner, co-chairwoman of the Republican National Committee and the Missouri Republican chairwoman, said Fitzgerald and Santorum also had been on the plane.

A police report at Mobile Regional Airport indicated that a Challenger 250 landed safely Monday at 3:28 p.m. CST after reporting its landing gear was stuck. The report did not indicate the plane's point of origin, destination or the names or number of passengers, an officer said.

The incident happened three days after Sen. Paul Wellstone, D-Minn., was killed in a plane crash in Minnesota, along with his wife, their adult daughter, three campaign staffers and two pilots.

VOX COMMENT ANNOTATION: This piece of shit from our wonderful Knights of the New World Order was to be expeced, it's the diversionary and Link-n-Lie.
Time to rise up people

Posted by anonymous @ 10/30/2002 02:39 AM EST

any thoughts that perhaps the pilot(s) were mkultra zombies and were triggered to sabotage the plane upon landing? anyone know the history of these two pilots, especially their military backgrounds???

Posted by a thought @ 10/30/2002 08:18 AM EST

Thought it was strange the first report on the cause I heard was, there was an on board fire BEFORE the crash. Within two hours, the report was the fire was after the crash!

Posted by Jackson Stonewall @ 10/30/2002 08:40 AM EST

Here is the article!
EVELETH, Minnesota (CNN) -- Some relatives of the victims of the small plane crash that killed Sen. Paul Wellstone and others will visit the crash site Sunday and hold a private memorial service there, officials said.

Investigators from the National Transportation Safety Board will escort about a half-dozen relatives to the wooded, swampy area about two miles from the rural airport where the plane was supposed to land.

It's not known if any relatives of the senator will go to the crash site. Friday night, a local sheriff took one of Wellstone's sons to the scene, and a family representative visited Saturday.

Meanwhile, an airport official and NTSB investigators said Saturday that the plane carrying Wellstone was off its expected landing approach and turning away from a rural airport runway when it crashed Friday morning.

Wellstone, his wife, Sheila, daughter, Marcia, three staff members and two pilots died in the fiery crash. The bodies were recovered Saturday and taken to local funeral homes for examination by the St. Louis County medical examiner.

Investigators: Plane pointing away from airport
Carol Carmody, the acting chairwoman of the NTSB, also said Saturday that the twin-engine, turboprop Raytheon King Air was not equipped with a cockpit voice recorder, as originally believed. The FAA did not require the plane to have a recorder, she said.

Gary Ulman, assistant manager of the Eveleth-Virginia Municipal Airport, where the plane was scheduled to land, said tree damage around the crash site indicated the plane, which should have been landing from the east on an east-west runway, was actually turning away from the airport, traveling from northwest to southeast about 2 miles south of the runway, when it crashed.

"We don't know why they were making a turn," said Ulman, who discovered the crash site. "A normal approach would have been straight in [from the east], and they should have been 2 miles farther north."

However, Ulman said if the plane had missed its initial approach and was circling to return to the airport, it could have been on the path where it was found. The small airport has no control tower.

Carmody said the plane's nose was pointed away from the airport, at a 90-degree angle to the runway, when it crashed. Why the plane was headed in that direction is unknown and will be part of the investigation, she said.

The angle of tree damage showed a descent much steeper than would be expected with a controlled landing, and propeller damage indicates the engines may still have been operating at the time of the crash, she said.

The debris was confined to a relatively small area, about 300 feet by 190 feet, Carmody said. The crash site is in a swampy, heavily wooded area with limited access, complicating the recovery efforts.

"There's evidence of an intense post-crash fire," she said. "The fuselage is destroyed. The cockpit is gone. The left wing is badly burned. The right wing is quite damaged. The tail is about two-thirds intact."

Well-wishers continued to gather Saturday outside Wellstone's campaign headquarters in St. Paul, bringing flowers and signs for a makeshift memorial to the outspoken liberal lauded as a "gloriously defiant" champion of the little guy.

Party considers possible replacement
Mike Erlandson, the chairman of the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party, as the Democratic party is known in Minnesota, said Saturday that no official announcements will be made about selecting a possible replacement for Wellstone in the November 5 election until after families have had time to decide on funeral arrangements.

Sen. Wellstone and his wife Sheila

Under state law, Democrats have until Friday to replace Wellstone on the ballot. He was locked in a tight re-election battle with Republican Norm Coleman, the former mayor of St. Paul.

Erlandson said he expects to call a meeting of the state central committee, which has about 1,000 delegates, to make a final decision.

"We know that he would like us to continue with the fight," Erlandson said.

CNN has learned that Democratic officials have approached former Vice President Walter Mondale, who represented Minnesota in the Senate from 1964-1976, about taking Wellstone's place on the ballot. Mondale has made no comment on a possible run but has not ruled it out.

At the time of the crash, the Wellstones were on their way to attend the funeral of the father of a state representative, then travel on to Duluth for a campaign event.

There's evidence of an intense post-crash fire. The fuselage is destroyed. The cockpit is gone. The left wing is badly burned. The right wing is quite damaged. The tail is about two-thirds intact.
-- Carol Carmody, Acting NTSB Chairwoman

Ulman said a radio call was made from the plane -- carrying the Wellstones, three campaign aides and two pilots -- when it was 7 miles from the airport, announcing its approach. Everything appeared normal, and the pilot activated the runway lights, which is the usual procedure, he said.

When the pilot didn't call regional air traffic controllers in Duluth after landing, which is the normal procedure, Ulman went up in an airplane to see if he could find the plane. He detected blue smoke about 2 miles southeast of the airport, off the usual approach path.

"I flew down to it, saw the tail of the airplane. I saw the main body section on fire," he said.

At the time of the crash, visibility was about 2 miles, with snow showers and a cloud ceiling of about 700 feet, he said. Once planes descend to land at Eveleth, they cannot be tracked by radar because the nearest radar station is at Duluth, 45 miles away, he said.

Wellstone, 58, an outspoken liberal, was considered among the Democrats' most vulnerable incumbents in the mid-term election. Republicans hoped to pick up the seat in their quest to regain control of the Senate, which Democrats now hold by a single vote. President Bush was in the state recently, stumping for Coleman.

With Wellstone's seat vacant, Democrats and Republicans both hold 49 seats, with the remaining seat held by independent Sen. James Jeffords of Vermont, who now caucuses with the Democrats after leaving the GOP last year.

Walter Mondale

Gov. Jesse Ventura can appoint a replacement for Wellstone to serve for the next 10 days, until the election. At that point, whoever wins the Senate seat will take office immediately.

Ventura met with staff members and legal advisers Saturday. His spokesman, John Wodele, said no decision was made on whether to appoint a replacement for Wellstone and that Ventura wanted to "keep his options open."

Ventura did say Friday that he would not appoint himself to the seat.

It is unclear whether Democrats could opt to leave Wellstone's name on the ballot. Erlandson said party officials are still discussing that with their lawyers.

There is recent precedent for continuing with a deceased candidate. Two years ago, when the Democratic Senate candidate in Missouri, Gov. Mel Carnahan, died in a plane crash shortly before the election, party officials left his name on the ballot, with the understanding that his wife, Jean, would be appointed to replace him.

Buoyed by a wave of sympathy, he defeated then-Sen. John Ashcroft, now the U.S. attorney general, and his widow took the seat.

However, in that case, Democrats held the governorship, controlling the appointment process, while Ventura is a political independent. He is not running for re-election, and a new governor will be selected November 5.

Replacing Wellstone with Mondale would return a storied Minnesota political name to the ballot, although the former vice president has not run for statewide office in 30 years.

Mondale, 74, was elected vice president on a ticket with Jimmy Carter in 1976. He went on to become the Democratic nominee for president in 1984, losing in a landslide to Ronald Reagan, and he also served as U.S. ambassador to Japan during the Clinton administration.

"I have the utmost respect for the former vice president," said Erlandson, who said he has not discussed with Mondale the possibility of replacing Wellstone. "He's a wonderful statesman."

--CNN Correspondents Susan Candiotti and Jonathan Karl contributed to this report.

Posted by Jackson Stonewall @ 10/30/2002 08:48 AM EST

I've been researching secret societies,conspiracies, cover-ups and overall government wrong doing for a whike now and this whole Wellstone incident stinks of "black-op" work. As for the pentegon thing the proof is in the pictures. Also, after reading these comments I haven't noticed anyone speaking of the excellent work our hard core patriot friend Alex Jones is doing. If you don't already know about him you should definitely check out his site www.infowars.com. His documentaries are simply amazing and his evidence is documented fact, no speculation.

Posted by Heathclif @ 10/30/2002 12:51 PM EST

Oh thank you, thank you -I am from Minnesota and learned of the deaths very soon after the accident. TWO MINUTES after experiencing grief and horror as my initial reaction, I said to myself, "They killed him."
No, not Dubya who is the pathethic stupid front man for the people running the show - Daddy Bush and his old time friends (Read co-conspirators.)
I thought I was turning into a nut case for even thinking our government would stoop to killing. If I am, well, I know I have company...
PS Andrew Sullivan on Salon calls us nutcases - which might be the best confirmation that we are right!
PS to democrat last to post - Bush Senior as head of the CIA oversaw acitivites that would make a convenient plane crash look like a Sunday School picnic. THIS IS NO TIME FOR NAIVIETY.

Posted by Deb in MN @ 10/30/2002 02:09 PM EST

Lemme tell you all something....wake up the people around you!!! Do you realize that we, the people reading this site, are a TINY fraction of the populace?!!! The majority of people in Minnesota have not stopped for even one second to consider foul play. I mentioned the creepy circumstances and similarities to Carnahan's 'accident' to fellow colleagues and they glanced at me as if I were a freak that huddles inside my house, obsessing over Oswald theories and counting down the takeover of earth by the New World Order. I have since corrected them, providing them with abundant research (which is still being viewed as somehow 'obsessive'). This is not about CONSPIRACY THEORY!!! This is about top level government MURDER! This isn't new...it happens all over the globe. It is business as usal for the CIA. The difference, though, is you would THINK....you would THINK....that Americans wouldn't stand for it in their own country. But there is no limit to how naive, apathetic, and indifferent the American masses are. The SHEEP NEED TO BE AWAKENED. Bring them articles! Bring them these postings printed out! Spread the word! Do not let this man's murder be swept under the rug. I already feel as if he is a part of the history books...gone, voila, ce la vid. RALLY. SPEAK OUT. STAND UP. FIGHT.

Posted by Phillip Gebser @ 10/30/2002 03:34 PM EST

We are simply watching the war between the Black Witches (Republicans) and the White Witches (Democrats). No matter what the weather does this weekend, go out with your rifle and figure out what you need to do to hit a target approximately 12"X12" at 500 yards from the prone position.

Posted by Webb Cook @ 10/30/2002 05:03 PM EST

Wrong Boozehounds. I suspect VOX only deletes moronic ignorant statements like yours. No offense but its not so much a matter of right wing vs. left wing in the traditional sense. Rather, its more like fascist militaristic satanic cabal vs. everyone else. "It was not my intention to doubt that the doctines of the illuminati, and principles of jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am." -George Washington to George Washington Snyder, October 24, 1798
Folks should make copies of this stuff before it disappears from the Library of Congress.

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/30/2002 08:54 PM EST

Wrong Boozehounds. I suspect VOX only deletes moronic ignorant statements like yours. No offense but its not so much a matter of right wing vs. left wing in the traditional sense. Rather, its more like fascist militaristic satanic cabal vs. everyone else.
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctines of the illuminati, and principles of jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am." -George Washington to George Washington Snyder, October 24, 1798
Folks should make copies of this stuff before it disappears from the Library of Congress.

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/30/2002 09:05 PM EST

Actually, this site tolerates rational opposing points of view. Expecting Vox to retain posts that simply denigrate and engage in juvenile ad hominem attacks is silly. Most of the opposition posters on this site end up using terms like "whack jobs", "wing nuts", "kooks", or the like, in an increasingly vain attempt to delegitimize the probing debate and dialogue that is occurring here and elsewhere. Although such idiotic posts only serve to reinforce that the poster has nothing of substance to add (It's not true. Why? Because you're kooks), it gets really annoying and obvious after a while. Besides, if you could really write off everything you read here, then why post at all? Why not LOL to yourself and move on to iamarobot.com? Is it because even your thick skull can see a sliver of the terrible truth that is there? Is it because you're so damn afraid of that sliver that you see your worldview crumbling before your eyes? Is that why you take the time to actually post in response to something that you suggest you so easily laugh off? Sometimes we LOL when we are scared shitless. I think you just did.

Posted by Hoozebounds @ 10/30/2002 09:13 PM EST

Well, the fucking democrats are up to their sleazy tactics again, turning a fucking memorial for dead people into a DNC pep rally.

I've got a great idea. Put the clintons, mcAuliffe, jessie jackson, gores, and most of the moron actors and actresses of hollywood on a large plane right into Iraq and let them discuss world peace with Saddam one on one. Then, we lob one of our nukes at Iraq, and rid ourselves of all the trash in todays world

Posted by carrie @ 10/30/2002 10:49 PM EST

What's the big freakin deal, 1 less democratic senator! If only the other 49 would exit the senate, we'd finally restore some integrity into this country that the criminal years of clinton/gore produced

This post and the post above were posted by the same redneck, living is some shithole in Knoxville Tennessee. I know people in Knoxville. I like them. Please stop fucking up the nice people of Knoxville with your UGLY being. Please die soon.

Posted by rk @ 10/30/2002 10:52 PM EST

Oh, I see when a Democrat dies we mutter a nice tasteful prayer and don't publicly discuss this is a blow to the morale of Democrats. Carrie, did you watch the entire service- my friend did and he said one speaker got political -out of a several hour service.
Also, I'm sure our friends in Europe would enjoy the nuclear fallout your little bomb would generate - which might help to explain why Europeans are jumping at this golden opportunity to have a nice cozy little war.
You, see Carrie, you and others like don't like to contemplate it but there is human life outside the US and they are tiring of America's selfish jingoistic nonsense.

Posted by Deb in MN @ 10/30/2002 11:29 PM EST


For those of you who have been wondering why John Allen Muhammad and John Lee Malvo carried out the sniper attacks in the Washington D.C./Virginia area, there is now an explanation.

The shootings occurred in a "pattern" that the mainstream media never detected. The pattern was found by looking at the locations and dates of the sniper shootings which are posted on the Sniper Chronology page at Washington Post.com;


When the locations and times of the shootings are entered into popular astronomy programs like RedShift, Starry Night, Deepsky and others, a pattern begins to emerge;

Event: Sniper Shoots Out Window
Date: 10/02/02
Time: 5:20 PM EDT
Location: Aspen Hill, Maryland - 39 Deg 05 Min N 77 Deg 04 Min W
Alignment: Comet Encke on the Eastern Horizon

Event: Sniper Shoots And Kills 1st Victim
Date: 10/02/02
Time: 6:04 PM EDT
Location: Wheaton, Maryland - 39 Deg 02 Min N 77 Deg 03 Min W
Alignment: Aldebaran(Eye of Taurus) at 33 Degrees Below the Northeast Horizon, Mars on the Western Horizon

Event: Sniper Shoots And Kills 2nd Victim
Date: 10/03/02
Time: 7:41 AM EDT
Location: Rockville, Maryland - 39 Deg 05 Min N 77 Deg 09 Min W
Alignment: Sirius at 33 Degrees 33 Minutes Above The Southern Horizon

Event: Sniper Shoots And Kills 3rd Victim
Date: 10/03/02
Time: 8:12 AM EDT
Location: Aspen Hill, Maryland - 39 Deg 05 Min N 77 Deg 04 Min W
Alignment: Alnitak at 39 Degrees above the SouthWest Horizon

Event: Sniper Shoots And Kills 4th Victim
Date: 10/03/02
Time: 8:37 AM EDT
Location: Silver Spring, MD - 38 Deg 59 Min N 77 Deg 02 Min W
Alignment: Mars at 33 Degrees 33 Minutes Above The Eastern Horizon, Algol(The Demon Star) at 33 Degrees above the NorthWest Horizon

Event: Sniper Shoots And Kills 5th Victim
Date: 10/03/02
Time: 9:58 AM EDT
Location: Kensington, Maryland - 39 Deg 02 Min N 77 Deg 05 Min W
Alignment: Algol(Demon Star in Perseus) at 19.5 Degrees above the NorthWest Horizon

Event: Sniper Shoots And Kills 6th Victim
Date: 10/03/02
Time: 9:20 PM EDT
Location: Washington, D.C. - 39 Deg 0 Min N 77 Deg 0 Min W
Alignment: Comet Encke at 39 Degrees above the SouthWest Horizon

Event: Sniper Shoots And Wounds 7th Victim
Date: 10/04/02
Time: 2:30 PM EDT
Location: Fredericksburg, Virginia - 38 Deg 18 Min N 77 Deg 28 Min W
Alignment: Comet Encke at 33 Degrees Below NorthEast Horizon

Event: Sniper Shoots And Wounds 8th Victim
Date: 10/07/02
Time: 8:08 AM EDT
Location: Bowie, Maryland - 39 Deg 0 Min N 76 Deg 47 Min W
Alignment: Aldebaran(Eye of Taurus) At 39 Degrees Above The Western Horizon

Event: Sniper Shoots And Kills 9th Victim
Date: 10/09/02
Time: 8:18 PM EDT
Location: Manassas, Virginia - 38 Deg 45 Min N 77 Deg 29 Min W
Alignment: Regulus(Heart of Leo) at 33 Degrees 33 Minutes below the NorthWest Horizon, Alnitak at 39 Degrees below the NorthEast Horizon

Event: Sniper Shoots And Kills 10th Victim
Date: 10/11/02
Time: 9:30 AM EDT
Location: Fredericksburg, Virginia - 38 Deg 18 Min N 77 Deg 28 Min W
Alignment: Alpha Pegasus at 33 Degrees 33 Minutes Below the NorthWest Horizon

Event: Sniper Shoots And Kills 11th Victim
Date: 10/15/02
Time: 9:15 PM EDT
Location: Falls Church, VA - 38 Deg 53 Min N 77 Deg 10 Min W
Alignment: Aldebaran(Eye of Taurus) on the Eastern Horizon

Event: Sniper Shoots And Wounds 12th Victim
Date: 10/19/02
Time: 8:00 PM EDT
Location: Ashland, Virginia - 37 Deg 46 Min N 77 Deg 29 W
Alignment: Mintaka(last belt star of Orion) at 33 Degrees Below Eastern Horizon

Event: Sniper Shoots And Kills 13th Victim
Date: 10/22/02
Time: 5:56 AM EDT
Location: Aspen Hill, Maryland - 39 Deg 05 Min N 77 Deg 04 Min W
Alignment: Regulus(Heart of Leo) at 39 Degrees Above the Eastern Horizon

The Sniper(s) was shooting victims during celestial alignments which symbolize "death"(i.e. the Death Tarot card, the directions of South & West, Pegasus which represents "death" in Nordic/Scandinavian cultures) and "evil"(i.e. Taurus which represents Seth[the Evil Egyptian God who killed Osiris],, Algol which is the "demon star" in constellation Perseus). At this time of the year, these particular alignments take place in the morning and evenings which correlates with most of the shootings.

Nearly all of the stars in these alignments are symbolic of ancient Egyptian, Greek and Sumerian Gods;

Stars and Egyptian Gods

Alnitak(1st Belt Star Of Orion) = Osiris
Sirius = Isis
Regulus(Heart of Leo) = Horus
Aldebaran(Eye of Taurus) = Seth

Comet and Sumerian Gods

Comet Encke = Enki(the Sumerian equivalent of Osiris)

Other Stars and Symbols

Pegasus = Death
Algol(derived from Arabic word root word for "ghoul") = Demon Star of Perseus

The "Degree" numbers associated with the alignments are tied into Hyperdimensional Physics which is explained on Enterprisemission.com;


The "Degree" numbers are also associated with Masonry and genetics;

19.5(19.47) Degrees = the latitude where 3 apexes of a tetrahedron touch when a tetrahedron is placed inside of a sphere and the fourth apex is placed at either the North or South poles.

3333 is symbolic of .3333 which is the Sine of 19.47(19.5) Degrees;

Sin 19.47 Degrees = .3333

33 Degrees = Highest Degree Attainable In Scottish Rite Masonry. The 33rd Degree Temple of Freemasonry is located 13 blocks North of the Whitehouse in Washington D.C.

33 = number of turns in a complete sequence of DNA

39 = distance in latitude between 19.5 Degrees North and 19.5 Degrees South when a double-tetrahedron is placed inside of a sphere.

A 3-Dimensional Double Tetrahedron flattened into 2 dimensions becomes a hexagram. In Ancient Egyptian Mythology, the Hexagram was known as the "Merkaba" and represented the joining of "Male and Female" in Ancient Egyptian fertility rites. The Merkaba was also symbolic of Osiris and Isis procreating their son Horus. The Merkaba would later be passed down through history as the Star of David of Judiasm and the Square & Compass of Freemasonry.

A double tetrahedron also has 14 symmetry spins(7 symmetry spins per tetrahedron). Using inverse numerology 14 becomes 7+7 and then becomes 77. Why is this important?

Washington, D.C. - 39 Degrees North By 77 Degrees West = Double Tetrahedron = Isis + Osiris = Merkaba = Star of David = Square & Compass

This is why the Muhammad chose the area around Washington D.C. and no where else in the country. He was on a symbolic mission.

Also, here's another solid reason why the star "Algol" was included in the celestial alignments. I looked up the word "Algol" for the "demon star" and found out that it's from the Arabic root word "al Ghul" which also happens to be the root word for "ghoul";


"Al Ghul" is Arabic for "the demon". The star Algol is also considered the eye of Medusa in Greek Mythology;


"and marks the eye of Medusa, the monstrous Gorgon, whose head Perseus holds." Translating this symbolism;

MedUSA = head with many snakes = "head of the snake(s)" = Bin Laden's vision of the U.S.

Perseus = Al-Qaeda

The following passage describes what Al-Qaeda is thinking of the U.S.;

Perseus was the son of Jupiter and Danae. His grandfather Acrisius, alarmed by an oracle which had told him that his daughter's child would be the instrument of his death, caused the mother and child to be shut up in a chest and set adrift on the sea. The chest floated towards Seriphus, where it was found by a fisherman who conveyed the mother and infant to Polydectes, the king of the country, by whom they were treated with kindness. When Perseus was grown up Polydectes sent him to attempt the conquest of Medusa, a terrible monster who had laid waste the country. She was once a beautiful maiden whose hair was her chief glory but as she dared to vie in beauty with Minerva, the goddess deprived her of her charms and changed her beautiful ringlets into hissing serpents. She became a cruel monster of so frightful an aspect that no living thing could behold her without being turned into stone. All around the cavern where she dwelt might be seen the stony figures of men and animals which had chanced to catch a glimpse of her and had been petrified with the sight. Perseus, favored by Minerva and Mercury, the former of whom lent him her shield and the latter his winged shoes, approached Medusa while she slept and taking care not to look directly at her, but guided by her image reflected in the bright shield which he bore, he cut off her head and gave it to Minerva, who fixed it in the middle of her AEgis.

Here's some possible translations in the MedUSA/Perseus story;

terrible monster(in Bin Laden's eyes) = Med"USA"

laid waste to the country = Iraq after Gulf War/ Bin Laden's imagined defilement of Saudi Arabia by U.S.

once beautiful maiden = before U.S. got involved in the Middle East?

hair was her chief glory = capitalism?

became a cruel monster(in Bin Laden's eyes) = U.S. expansion into Middle-East affairs?

changed her beautiful ringlets into hissing serpents = U.S as a world Superpower?

approached MedUSA while she slept = sneak attack - 9/11 - future attacks?

taking care not to look at her = unconventional attacks?

cut off her head = decapitating the U.S. Government and destroying the economy?

Combining this information with the Tarot card and fact that the Sniper was a very angry and bitter man who had converted to Islam and could easily be manipulated into committing violence, this sniper attack is work of Al-Qadea.

As it turns out, Al-Qaeda is one of many front groups for a secret society described as "The Owls";

Will Hubble Shoot The Moon?(Roosters vs Owls info)

X-Files Season Finale - The Plan Revealed In Symbolism?

Will "X" Mark The Date?(Trust No One Mr. Hoagland)

Who's The Enemy -- Really?

The Owls are a group that will go out of it's way to achieve total domination in politics, economics and society in general. The Owls are constantly at war with a another faction called "The Roosters". The Roosters are a group that goes out of it's way to keep things on the "right track" by exposing then disrupting the plans of the Owls.

The headquarters of the "Owls" is located in Northern California at Bohemian Grove, which uses an "owl" as it's logo. The headquarters of the "Roosters" is the 33rd Degree Masonic Temple in Washington D.C. The Roosters and Owls are the current inheritors of various secret societies that have existed throughout history since the time of Atlantis.

According to different belief systems, two secret societies called the Law of One and the Sons of Belial existed in a pre-history civilization Atlantis. Through a deceptive and manipulative conspiracy, the Sons of Belial gained control of Atlantis and eventually caused it's downfall and led to a long dark age of ignorance and destruction before civilization rose again like the Phoenix in it's current form. The Law of One survived the destruction of Atlantis existed throughout history and civilizations as various secret societies and factions as seen in the table below;

Era --------------- Roosters/Owls
Atlantis ---------- Law Of One/Sons Of Belial
Sumeria -------- Enki/Enlil
Egypt ------------ Osiris-Horus/Seth
Crusades ------ Knights Templar/Sufi Assassins
Reniassance - Rosicrucians-Masons/Illuminati
World War II --- Masons/Nazi's-Owls
United States - Masons-Roosters/Al-Qaeda-Owls

One of the ultimate plans of the Owls is to destroy the United States of America, the torch of freedom founded by the Masons/Roosters in a world that was controlled by Monarchies, Theocracies and Empires controlled by the Owls in 1776.

Why do the Owls want to destroy America? So they will have absolute domination of the Earth in a New World Order just like their predecessors, the Sons of Belial, accomplished in Atlantis. If history is repeating itself, is it any accident that Rosicrucian member Sir Francis Bacon referred to the "Americas" as the "New Atlantis" in his book?

How will the Owls create the New World Order? By engineering terrorist attacks and force the U.S. Government(controlled by the Owls from key political positions) into cracking down on civil liberties until constitutional rights no longer exist. First the Owls create the "Problem", then the Owls create the "Reaction" and then the Owls create the "Solution" as seen below;

The Owls, using a front group to hide their involvement, would carry out a major terrorist attack(chemical/biological/nuclear) that would cause a severe reaction by the U.S. Government.

Under previously signed Presidential Executive Orders, manipulated into existence by the Owls, a National Emergency would be declared. The entire U.S. Government would come under the control of the Federal Emergency Management Agency and Martial Law would be declared.

In order to "deal with the terrorists", all privately owned firearms would be confiscated(to protect the Government/Owls from an insurrection), freethinkers, libertarians, gun owners, fundamentalist Christians, independent Liberals and anybody else who's not brainwashed by the Owl controlled mass media(as symbolized by the "Owl" on the National Press Club logo) would be locked up in detention centers and either worked as slave labor or put to death.

The only obstacle blocking the Owls master plan for world domination is the Roosters/Masons. There have already been several attempts by the Owls throughout history to implement their plans which includes World War I, World War II, the Cold War, the Kennedy Assassination, these sniper attacks and the 9/11 attacks as described on the Enterprisemission.com website;

Who's The Enemy - Really?

Table of Coincidence

The evidence clearly shows that John Allen Muhammad and John Malvo were part of an Al-Qaeda/Owls controlled sleeper cell consisting of two or more members who were protected by the Owls to avoid the police and having more than one shooter(proven by the failure(by design?) of the shooter(s) to kill two of the victims). This sniper team consisted of a master and an apprentice, Muhammad and Malvo.

Isn't strange the first 11 shootings occurred in the same time frame as the bombing of the French supertanker, the attacks on U.S. Marines in Kuwait and the bombing in Bali on the 2nd Anniversary of the U.S.S. Cole Bombing? It looks like the Owls were working overtime creating a "Problem" in order to get a convenient "Reaction" out of the U.S. Government for their "Solution".

Of course the Roosters were doing their best to trip up the Owls. This why the FBI was getting the help of the Military in finding the sniper. Of course members of the Owls in the U.S Government were pressuring the police in Montgomery County into suppressing the "terrorism" angle on this story;

Police Suppress Terrorism Angle

You should also notice the number of dead and number of victims when the number of shootings reached 11;

9 Dead 11 Victims = 9/11

Very symbolic of the Owls previous attempt to bring about their totalitarian takeover of the United States after they engineered 9/11. During the last shooting in the Sniper shootings, the sniper(s) were aiming for the next pattern;

10 Dead 13 Victims = 10/13 = Date of the destruction of the Knights Templar/Roosters in the year 1307.

10/13 symbolized the attempted destruction of the Roosters/Masons/Templars that the Owls so badly wanted. This also fits with the symbolism in the WTC article on the Enterprisemission.com site;


At 1:00 AM EDT on October 24th the Sniper team, consisting of Muhammad and Malvo, were "spotted" by a 911 caller. It's obvious that the Roosters/Masons/Templars disrupted the Sniper plans of the Owls because the 911 call occurred during a celestial alignment;

Event: Suspects "Spotted" by 911 Caller
Location: 10 Miles West Of Frederick, Maryland - 39 Deg 25 Min N by 77 Deg 25 Min W
Date: 10/24/2002
Time: 1:01 AM EDT
Alignment: Sirius at 3.33 Degrees Above The Eastern Horizon

3.33 is a decimal-shifted variation of .3333, the Sine of 19.47 Degrees, the hyperdimensional latitude. When the Federal authorities arrived on the scene at 3:19 AM, there was another alignment;

Event: Federal Authorities Arrive on Scene
Location: 10 Miles West Of Frederick, Maryland - 39 Deg 25 Min N by 77 Deg 25 Min W
Date: 10/24/2002
Time: 3:19 AM EDT
Alignment: Comet Encke just below the Western Horizon

But strangely enough the authorities waited 11 minutes before arresting Muhammad and Malvo, who were found sleeping in their car. Most people would say that the authorities were "securing" the scene before they arrested the suspects. In a symbolic way they were;

Event: Federal Authorities Arrest Suspects
Location: 10 Miles West Of Frederick, Maryland - 39 Deg 25 Min N by 77 Deg 25 Min W
Date: 10/24/2002
Time: 3:30 AM EDT
Alignment: Comet Encke at 3.33 Degrees Below The Western Horizon

Since the Roosters disrupted the plans of the Owls, the Owls stuck back big time the very next day when they murdered Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone in a plane crash, who was in a tough re-election battle with Republican candidate Norm Coleman.

The crash happened during a celestial alignment which mirrored the "911 call" alignment in D.C. when the snipers were "spotted", but it occurred on the "death" horizon;

Event: Sen. Paul Wellstone Dies In Plane Crash
Location: 2(1.95?) Miles from Eveleth, MN - 47 Deg 28 Min N 92 Deg 32 Min W
Date: 10/25/2002
Time: 10:02 AM CDT 11:02 AM EDT
Alignment: Sirius at 3.33 Degrees above the Western Horizon

Of course the Owls committed this act of murder in order to swing the control of the U.S. Senate back to the Republicans for the expressed purpose of rushing more legislation through a Republican-controlled Congress that would trample the rights of Americans under the false guise of "patriotism" as we all saw with the "USA Patriot Act" that was passed after 9/11, a law that was deliberately designed to infringe on Americans rights rather than the rights of the terrorists.. Any rushed legislation passed through Congress is designed by the Owls bring the country that much closer to the New World Order.

Since a majority of Senators and Representatives are unaware of this war between the "Roosters and Owls", the Owls will manipulate both Democrats and Republicans in Congress for their own totalitarian goals, which is why the Roosters use their key members in both the Democratic and Republican parties to trip up the Owls.

In the subsequent days after Muhammad and Malvo's arrests and Senator Wellstones murder, it has been learned that the Blue and Burgundy Chevy Caprice the snipers drove around in was registered with the New Jersey Department of Motor Vehicles on Sept 11th, 2002 in Camden, NJ;

Sniper Investigation has NJ Link

CAMDEN - The sniper task force issued an all points bulletin for a Chevy Caprice with New Jersey license plates. The car was found in Maryland with John Allen Muhammad and John Malvo sleeping inside.

The two were taken into custody and the car was traced to 1400 Sheridan Street in Camden. That address is the second-floor apartment where the Muhammad had lived.

The DMV says Nathanel Osbourne is a co-owner of the car and that Muhammad applied for a license plate in Camden on September 11, 2002.

Camden police say the FBI was at the Sheridan St. apartment where Muhammad reportedly lived with his girlfriend. Neighbors say the south Camden neighborhood is predominantly Jamaican and has a history of violence.


New Jersey Connection Unclear

Camden, New Jersey-AP -- Authorities are trying to find out if there's a New Jersey connection in the Washington-area sniper case.

Two men were arrested early this morning at a Maryland rest stop about 50 miles northwest of Washington. They were in a car that was registered in New Jersey.

A source at the state's motor vehicles department says the blue 1990 Chevy Caprice with New Jersey plates is registered to John Allen Muhammad at an address in Camden.

Police haven't confirmed whether one of the men arrested today is Muhammad, but broadcast reports say he is.

Neighbors in Camden say they don't know Muhammad, and don't recall seeing the car.

Local police say they're trying to find out the last time Muhammad might have been in Camden.

Strangely enough, these articles began to disappear from mainstream(Owl-controlled) news websites the day they appeared because they contained the registration date of the Blue and Burgundy Chevy Caprice; Sept 11th, 2002, the 1 year anniversary of the Owls/Al-Qaeda attack on the World Trade Center, Pentagon and Flight 93.

The articles also implied that Muhammad could be traveling with Malvo from Tacoma, Washington to Montgomery, Alamba while at the same time living in Camden, New Jersey to register the car; essentially in "two places at once".

The "two places at once" scenario has a historical precedent in the events leading up the assassination of John F. Kennedy. In 1961, while Lee Harvey Oswald was living in the Soviet Union, a man claiming to be Oswald was buying trucks for the "Friends of Democratic Cuba" in New Orleans. One of the founders of the "Friends of Democratic Cuba" was Guy Bannister, a former FBI agent and Office of Naval Intelligence officer who was later a handler for Oswald during the summer of 1963. Proof that Oswald was associated with Bannister appeared on Pro-Castro leaflets handed out by Oswald with the address 544 Camp Street. Although Bannisters office was at 531 Lafayette Street, both doorways led into the same exact building at the corner of Camp and Lafayette streets. In October of 1963, while Oswald was living in Dallas, another man claiming to be Oswald appeared at the Cuban Embassy in Mexico City and asked for admission to Cuba.

All of these incidents were designed as a frame-up of Oswald and Cuba after an Owl sniper team shot President Kennedy. Why? So the Owls could destroy the United States in a nuclear war(which would be started in Cuba) with the Soviet Union and try to create the New World Order in 1963. Obviously they failed then as they did in during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962 due to the vigilance of the Roosters.

These incidents paralleling the frame-up of Lee Harvey Oswald and the attempted cover-up of the car registration were more proof that the Sniper shootings were part of a larger plan carried out by the Owls.

Then on October 29th, 2002, further proof of the Owls involvement in the sniper shootings appeared in an Associated Press article which described the items confiscated by the authorities;


"Also found in the search was a pack containing the global positioning system, two shooting mittens, a single .223-caliber round under a paper towel on the floor, a pair of two-way radios, a Sony laptop computer, a pair of bolt cutters and a wallet containing several drivers licenses bearing Muhammad's likeness but with different names."

The GPS and the Sony laptop, as well as an astronomy program like RedShift, DeepSky, MyStars or Starry Night, would be the EXACT three items needed for Muhammad and Malvo to carry out these attacks during celestial alignments. This makes it obvious that Muhammad and Malvo were assisted by the Owls front group, Al-Qaeda, which has used these alignments during terror attacks.

The very same day that the evidence relating to Muhammad and Malvo was released, the Democrats in Minnesota held a memorial service for Senator Wellstone.

The Roosters/Masons chose Walter Mondale as Wellstones replacement and put him in the Minnesota senate race to counteract the attempt by the Owls to bring about the New World Order. To prove this, there was a celestial alignment when Paul Wellstones memorial service began at 6:30 PM CST on October 29th with Walter Mondale in attendance;

Event: Sen. Paul Wellstone Memorial Service
Location: Minneapolis, MN - 45 Deg 00 Min N by 93 Deg 15 Min W
Date: 10/29/2002
Time: 6:30 PM CST
Alignment: Comet Encke at 33 Degrees 33 Minutes Above the SouthEast Horizon

Also several members of the "Roosters" were in attendance, including Mississippi Senator Trent Lott;


who's a high ranking Republican Senator and a 33rd Degree Mason;


Since Walter Mondale is so popular in Minnesota, it's a sure bet that Norm Coleman will lose and the Roosters will win their latest battle against the Owls in stopping the New World Order. Even the celestial alignments say so;

Event: Polls Close In Minnesota
Location: Minneapolis, MN - 45 Deg 00 Min N by 93 Deg 15 Min W
Date: 11/05/2002
Time: 8:00 PM CST
Alignment: Sirius(Isis) at 33 Degrees Below The Eastern Horizon, Regulus(Heart of Leo) at 33 Degrees Below The Northern Horizon, Comet Encke at 39 Degrees Above the Southern Horizon

Event: Polls Close In Minnesota
Location: Washington, D.C.(Rooster Headquarters) - 38 Deg 56 Min N by 77 Deg 0 Min W
Date: 11/05/2002
Time: 8:00 PM CST 9:00 PM EST
Alignment: Alnitak(first belt star of Orion/Osiris) on the Eastern Horizon

Event: Polls Close In Minnesota
Location: Bohemian Grove(Owl Headquarters) - 37 Deg 54 Min N by 122 Deg 35 Min W
Date: 11/05/2002
Time: 6:00 PM PST 8:00 PM CST 9:00 PM EST
Alignment: Alnilam(middle belt star of Orion/Osiris) 33 Degrees Below The Eastern Horizon

This battle will continue between the Roosters and Owls until one side or the other wins the "war".

Yours truly,

Dan Perez

Posted by Dan Perez @ 10/31/2002 12:42 AM EST

I don't know about that OWL and ROOSTER business but it is a fact that there are powerful secret societies who practice the occult and manipulate events through political and psychological meathods. The evidence of this is abundant for anyone with half a brain who can get one eye open. The Kennedy assassination alone should prove this point. Our own freakin' government concluded that the Kennedy assassination was a probable conspiracy during the Church Commitee Hearings in the 70s. But oh no, there's no such thing as political assassination. Political assassination mysteriously vanished from the face of the earth just like the dinosaurs. Don't you know we've evolved?

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/31/2002 08:40 AM EST

Good work Mr. 11, Now to solve the phrase. "Moriah conquering the wind". Any ideas? If so please post at Freemasonry Watch.

Posted by north wind @ 10/31/2002 11:25 AM EST

Vox: this suff on Owl's vs. Roosters sounds interesting. We know the Owl's exist from learning about the Bohemian grove. I have not heard of the Roosters. What is your take on this? A lot of it makes sense in a certain way -- after all Sumeria (I am discounting Atlantis as a fable)was the first known system that had a "simulacrasphere" -- writing (i.e. communication by symbols) and a pantheon of gods (simulacra)that enabled the priesthood to rule.

Posted by abe @ 10/31/2002 11:45 AM EST

Congratulagions Vox. Your May assassination article was written about in an article at worldnetdaily. So hopefully you will get some new readers and some new people will be able find some truth from this site and the links from this site.

Also, the stuff by Dan Perez above contains a lot of mis and disinfo and it is so long it is meant to drive you around in circles. I'd suspect he set out to mislead people.

Posted by Joe @ 10/31/2002 12:34 PM EST

I agree the Perez post is at least partly B.S. especially the part about the atronomical alignment and numerology etc. But....tying something that is true to numerology and astrology is a well-known tactic to discredit the truth.

Posted by abe @ 10/31/2002 12:49 PM EST

I haven't read all the comments in here, but from what I've seen, some people get it and others are totally clueless. When are people going to see that it is NOT a Democrat vs. Republican thing?! It is a global elitist/socialist/NWO/whatever vs. the world. This is a global group that has players in BOTH parties. I agree that a lot of what has been said about the Bush's being evil is correct. But a lot of people are terribly ignorant and keep thinking it's a Republican vs. Democrat issue. Do you people realize that Mondale is just as much a part of the corporate global elitist as any high ranking Republican?? Just do a little research before you spout off and you'll see that he is as connected to this whole thing just as much as anyone. Don't forget the now famous quote, "There's not a dime's worth of difference between the Democrats and the Republicans".

Posted by Lance Jackson @ 10/31/2002 12:50 PM EST

I have just landed at your site from the World Net Daily article. Your prediction is quite incredible. Quite specific. I usally don't subscribe to many conspiracies but your's is very compelling I must admit. I'll be checking back.
World Net Daily Reader

Posted by World Net Daily Reader @ 10/31/2002 05:34 PM EST

The celestial alignment stuff is not B.S., you can look it up for yourself using RedShift, DeepSky, StarryNight or any other good astronomy program.

These alignments have occured during many major events including the Kennedy Assassination;

Event: JFK shot in Dallas, Texas
Location: New Orleans, LA
Date: 11/22/1963
Time: 12:32 PM CST
Alignment: Regulus(Heart Of Leo) On the Western(Death) Horizon

The New Orleans alignment is interesting since it was claimed by District Attorney Jim Garrison that New Orleans was the center of the conspiracy to kill JFK. Many of the conspirators lived in New Orleans; Clay Shaw(CIA), Guy Bannister(FBI/ONI), David Ferrie(CIA), Lee Harvey Oswald(CIA/Patsy) and several others. It's believed that David Ferrie was the one who though up the "trianglulation" crossfire that was used to kill Kennedy in Dealey Plaza from the Western(Death) side of the Book Depository on the 6th floor, the Grassy Knoll and the Dal-Tex building. The gun that was found on the East end of the 6th floor of the Book Depository was a planted decoy.

Dallas also had an interesting alignment;

Event: JFK Shot In Dallas Texas
Location: Dallas, TX
Date: 11/22/1963
Time: 12:32 PM CST
Alignment: Alpha Pegasus(Death) at 3.33 Degrees Below the Eastern Horizon.

Since Pegasus(Death) was rising into the Eastern Horizon, it was already predetermined by these alignments that JFK was going to die from his wounds.

In Washington, D.C., the headquarters of the Roosters, had an alignment;

Event: JFK Shot In Dallas Texas
Location: Washington, D.C.(Rooster Headquarters)
Date: 11/22/1963
Time: 12:32 PM CST 1:32 PM EST
Alignment: Aldebaran(Eye of Taurus) at 33 Degrees 33 Minutes Below the NorthEast Horizon

Bohemian Grove, the headquarters of The Owls, also had an alignment;

Event: JFK Shot In Dallas Texas
Location: Bohemian Grove(Owl Headquarters) - 37 Deg 54 Min N by 122 Deg 35 Min W
Date: 11/22/1963
Time: 10:32 AM PST 12:32 PM CST 1:32 PM EST
Alignment: Alnitak(First Belt Star Of Orion/Osiris) at 33 Degrees Below The NorthWest Horizon

When Kennedy died at 1 PM Central Standard Time, there were more alignments;

Event: JFK Dies
Location: Dallas, TX
Date: 11/22/1963
Time: 1:00 PM CST
Alignment: Regulus(Heart of Leo) on the Western(Death) Horizon

Event: JFK Dies
Location: Washington, D.C.(Rooster Headquarters)
Date: 11/22/1963
Time: 2:00 PM EST 1:00 PM CST
Alignment: Alpha Pegasus(Death) at 19.5 Degrees above the Eastern Horizon

Event: JFK Dies
Location: Bohemian Grove(Owl Headquarters) - 37 Deg 54 Min N by 122 Deg 35 Min W
Date: 11/22/1963
Time: 11:00 AM PST 1:00 PM CST 2:00 PM EST
Alignment: Mintaka(Third Belt Star Of Orion/Osiris) at 39 Degrees(19.5*2) below the NorthWest Horizon

When Kennedy's death was announced by a tearful Walter Cronkite on CBS, there were more alignments;

Event: JFK's Death Announced
Location: New York, NY
Date: 11/22/1963
Time: 2:38 PM EST 1:38 PM CST
Alignment: Regulus(Heart of Leo) at 19 Degrees 50 Minutes(19.5) Below the Western(Death) Horizon

Event: JFK's Death Announced
Location: Washington, D.C.(Rooster Headquarters)
Date: 11/22/1963
Time: 2:38 PM EST 1:38 PM CST
Alignment: Regulus(Heart of Leo) at 19.5 Degrees Below the Western(Death) Horizon

Event: JFK's Death Announced
Location: Bohemian Grove(Owl Headquarters) - 37 Deg 54 Min N by 122 Deg 35 Min W
Date: 11/22/1963
Time: 11:38 AM PST 1:38 PM CST 2:38 PM EST
Alignment: Aldebaran(Eye of Taurus) at 33 Degrees 33 Minutes Below The NorthWest Horizon

When Lyndon Johnson was sworn in as President 3 hours after JFK died, there were yet more alignments;

Event: Lyndon Johnson Sworn In as 36th President
Location: Dallas, TX
Date: 11/22/1963
Time: 4:00PM CST 5:00 PM EST
Alignment: Regulus(Heart of Leo) at 33 Degrees Below the Northwest Horizon

Event: Lyndon Johnson Sworn In as 36th President
Location: Bohemian Grove(Owl Headquarters) - 37 Deg 54 Min N by 122 Deg 35 Min W
Date: 11/22/1963
Time: 2:00 PM PST 4:00PM CST 5:00 PM EST
Alignment: Aldebaran(Eye of Taurus) at 33 Degrees Below the Northeast Horizon

What these alignments are saying is that JFK was being helped by the "Roosters" during his administration and when he was killed "The Owls" took over the country. So when somebody mentions that "something died the day JFK was killed", it was the Roosters control of the United States.

If you still don't believe that celestial alignments occur during historic events, then check out these pages;

Table Of Coincidence

Mathematical Study Confirms Alignments

This goes way beyond the paradigm of Democrat or Republican. The Democrat/Republican paradigm is enginnered B.S. designed to mislead the uneducated who are the byproducts of the current educational system.

Yours truly,

Dan Perez

Posted by Dan Perez @ 10/31/2002 06:33 PM EST

To Dan: c'mon man, at any given time you can always find SOME star that is at a numerologically significant celestial latitude/longitude. This proves nothing.

Posted by abe @ 10/31/2002 06:43 PM EST

The News net daily article of course positions you in an article regarding you as a "Conspiracy theorist" but you seemed to hit nail exactly on the head. Sound's like a REALITY to me, not a theory.

You nail it correctly time after time, vox, it's quite uncanny indeed... Makes me wonder if you might be more "inside" than you're letting on to.

The Agency

Posted by It's not a conspiracy if you're right! @ 10/31/2002 07:46 PM EST

Looks more like a "Deep Throat" scenario. An informant, high up in their operational group who is getting this information to the writer or writers who comprise voxnyc. It seems too incredible that such an accurate extrapolation could be made by just... well... extrapolation. There must be an "inside" source of information at work here. Don't be suprised if you see a purge within these elite "Knights" when they try to plug up the leaks within their own ranks. I'll bet there's more blood on the way.

Temple Coadjutor

Posted by Looks Like an Informer @ 10/31/2002 08:03 PM EST

Someone asked about the pilots for
Sen. Wellstone. I found this article today on infors.com. I'm sure there were either monarch slaves or jumpers on that plane. Also, I've heard reports of a gunshot wound to one of the passengers head, if I find anything about that I'll post it too. Here's the article about one of the pilots.

Co-pilot played minor role in story of Moussaoui

Published Oct. 26, 2002 ZACH26

The co-pilot who died in Friday's plane crash with Sen. Paul Wellstone played a minor role in the story involving Zacarias Moussaoui, the accused Sept. 11 conspirator who briefly attended an Eagan flight school.

Co-pilot Michael Guess, 30, had performed administrative work at the Pan Am International Flight Academy last year as he continued accumulating flying hours. There he met Moussaoui, the school's most infamous student.

Two former Pan Am program managers who tipped the FBI to Moussaoui's suspicious behavior at the school in August 2001 said Guess inadvertently gave Moussaoui unattended access to a computer program on flying a 747 jumbo jet.

One of the ex-managers said Guess placed a CD-ROM containing the 747 software at a work station in advance of one of Moussaoui's training sessions, before his flight instructor arrived. After Moussaoui was arrested and the FBI searched his belongings, they found the proprietary program copied on his laptop computer, the ex-manager said.

Guess, a graduate of the University of North Dakota, was a victim of layoffs several weeks ago at the flight academy, where he had hoped to become a flight instructor.

At Executive Aviation in Eden Prairie, where Guess had been employed as a pilot since June 2001, a spokesman said colleagues remembered Guess telling them he had played a more significant role regarding the suspicions concerning Moussaoui.

Dave Mona, a spokesman for Executive Aviation, said Guess' colleagues had said Guess had described himself as "at least a role player" in the detection of Moussaoui. Mona said Guess had told his colleagues that "he and the receptionist . . . thought what [Moussaoui] was requesting was unusual" and had raised the issue with others.

-- Greg Gordon is atggordon@mcclatchydc.com.-- Mike Kaszuba is atmkaszuba@startribune.com

Posted by Heathclif @ 10/31/2002 08:49 PM EST

Here's another one to think about.

UQ Wire: Jeb Bush Flies High With Terror Airways
Thursday, 31 October 2002, 12:05 pm
Article: www.UnansweredQuestions.org

Unanswered Questions: Thinking For Ourselves
Presented by… http://www.unansweredquestions.org/

Terror Flight School Owner’s Plane Seized For Heroin Trafficking
& Jeb Bush And Katherine Harris Fly With Drug Running Airways

by Daniel Hopsicker
October 24 — www.madcowprod.com world exclusive

CAPTION: Florida Gov. Jeb Bush With The "Discover Air" Family
One of Discover's Planes Was Seized With 30lbs Of Heroin Aboard

A Learjet belonging to the true owner of the Venice flight school that trained both terrorist pilots who flew into the World Trade Center was seized with more than 30 pounds of heroin onboard by Federal Agents in July of 2000 at the Orlando Executive Airport.

Authorities at the time called it the biggest seizure of heroin ever found in central Florida.

The seized plane belonged to 70-year old Wallace J. Hilliard of Naples, FL., multi-millionaire businessman, self-styled Mormon Bishop, and the newly-discovered secret owner of Huffman Aviation at the Venice Airport since its purchase in 1999, just months before terrorists began arriving in force in Southwest Florida.

Hilliard was already well-known in aviation circles as the 'money man' and deep-pocketed financial backer of Rudi Dekkers, according to local aviation observers like chief flight instructor Tom Hammersly, who taught at the Venice Airport while the two flight schools there experienced a flood of Arab student pilots.

"What we heard was that he (Dekkers) had somebody in Naples backing him financially. We all knew that the money he (Dekkers) flaunted was not even his money, that he was just a 'front' man for the man who had the money," stated Hammersly in an interview in "Mohamed Atta & the Venice Flying Circus."

Though in his many media appearances Rudi Dekkers portrayed himself as both president and owner of Huffman Aviation, this claim, like so many other Dekkers’ pronouncements, is untrue.

Lying on and off-the-record

Court documents filed in August at the Sarasota Courthouse reveal that the so-called 'Magic Dutch Boy' never completed the Huffman sale, ‘neglecting’ to pay for his shares of stock in the resulting corporation.

While terrorist student pilots flew in veritable squadrons (as many as sixteen at a time) over Venice, Wally Hilliard had been Huffman Aviation's true owner.

Nor is this the first time Rudi Dekkers has ‘neglected’ to pay for shares in business ventures. In 1995 in The Netherlands, the MadCowMorningNews has learned, Dekkers incorporated a company and never paid for his shares of stock in it either.

A Dutch court adjudged Dekkers guilty in that case of acting "in a manifestly improper fashion," and said that "his manifest failure to properly manage the company was an important cause of (the firm's) bankruptcy."

As a result, Rudi Dekkers, a man who was invited to testify before the Congress of the United States of America on his thoughts on preventing future terrorist attacks, is today a fugitive from justice in his native Holland.

And while Rudi Dekkers busied himself training thousands of young Arab men to fly, from his base in Naples, just a short helicopter ride south of Venice, his partner Wally Hilliard was running a charter jet service called Plane 1 Leasing which provided the jet carrying 30 pounds of heroin.

"Celebrity Endorsement as Double-Edged Sword"

At the same time their planes were flying back and forth from Venezuela with illegal cargo Hilliard's charter service was also, unbelievably, being utilized at virtually no cost––despite the fact that rentals for Lear jets can run as high as $1,800 an hour––by Florida Governor Jeb Bush.

Even stranger, both Governor Jeb Bush and Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris were providing celebrity endorsements to Hilliard's operation well after the company's Lear (N351WB) had been busted by DEA agents armed with machine guns.

Pretty poor advance work, at the very least...

One would think a sitting Governor seems well-advised to steer well clear of anything to do with heroin trafficking. Yet Governor Jeb Bush honored Hilliard's operation––called at various times Florida Air, Sunrise Airlines and Discover Air––with a personal visit, even posing for photos with the "Discover Air family."

The company promptly commemorated the memorable event by posting pictures of the visit on their website.

Finally somebody in the Bush camp realized their lethal potential exposure, and the webpage was hastily taken off the Discover Air site.

Getting Google-ed

But they didn't reckon with Google's heralded cache system. So today you can see the page in all its former glory.

Alas for Discover Air, soon after beginning operations they were forced to see their shortcomings in headlines, like this June 28, 2001 doozy from the hometown Orlando Sentinel: AIR SERVICE TO MIAMI FLOPS; NOT ONE PERSON BOUGHT A TICKET, SO DISCOVER AIR HALTED PLANS FOR FLIGHTS FROM DAYTONA BEACH.

Having "not one person buy a ticket" would seem to be hugely embarrassing to a fledgling airline... if scheduled passenger service was the true aim of the Enterprise.

Katherine Harris' endorsement of the Hilliard/Dekkers operation must also be providing her with some bad moments today:

"As one of Florida's top politicians, Katherine Harris doesn't have much time to do a lot of personal traveling," read the Sarasota Herald Tribune's chatty lead.

"But twice in the past month or so, the secretary of state --who received national attention for her role in the November presidential election -- has taken the 75-minute plane ride from her current home in Tallahassee to her old stomping grounds in Sarasota. Her choice of airline? Florida Air, a start-up commuter airline based here, grasping to be an air-taxi for the entire state."

'She has taken the airline twice,' Harris spokesman Ben McKay said. 'She
appreciates the convenience that Florida Air offers.'"

Since at the same time then-Florida Secretary of State Harris was "appreciating their convenience" Florida/Discover Air had been flying passengers without holding an air carrier certificate, Ms. Harris' reputation as a stickler for the letter of the law can be said to have suffered something of a beating.

Is it just incredible bad luck that these two prominent Florida politicians endorsed an operation that both trained murderous terrorists AND brought heroin into America?

Criminal Conspiracies & Florida: Like Cookies and Milk

Heroin overdoses kill more people in Orlando each year than anywhere else in Florida. The city's growing importance as a major transshipment point for heroin prompted Congress to officially designate Central Florida a High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area.

Thus the investigation which resulted in the big seizure was launched with some intensity after a Colombian national, Nassar Darwich, was arrested in Orlando with 1.3 kilograms of heroin in the soles of shoes he was carrying.

As a result of Darwich's arrest, DEA agents were waiting two weeks later when the Learjet landed at the airport on July 25, and swarmed the plane brandishing machine guns, according to eyewitnesses.

Passengers Edgar Valles and Neyra Rivas, both of Caracas, Venezuela, were arrested after 13 kilograms of heroin was found hidden in the soles of tennis shoes stashed in their luggage. The pilot was not arrested, according to a DEA spokesman, because of a lack of evidence.

The flight plan of the Lear 35A originated in Venezuela and made a stop in Fort Lauderdale before landing in Orlando, with New York as its final destination. Eventually five people in Orlando were convicted in connection with the seizure, including two Venezuelans who were traveling aboard the jet when it landed at Orlando's Executive Airport, according to the Orlando Sentinel.

"It confirms the sad fact that a massive amount of heroin is coming through Central Florida," U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration special agent Brent Eaton told the paper when the arrests were announced.

"It's very disturbing to the DEA that more and more high-quality heroin is coming from Colombia and at a cheaper price."

Apparently the DEA was "very disturbed" enough to look more closely at Hilliard's jet charter operation. The result was their firm opposition to returning the plane to Hilliard.

And although no one from Plane 1 Leasing was charged with any crime, there appears to be abundant evidence pointing to the conclusion that––at the very least––the company had to have known what was going on.

"It was just blatant," said one aviation observer. "That same plane flew that same run thirty or forty times, ferrying the same people. And they always paid cash for the rental."

"The red flags could not have been raised any higher."

The plane's frequent roundtrips to South America were confirmed by an official at Executive Jet Service, the facility which serviced the jet at Orlando Executive Airport, who stated the plane made weekly down-and-back runs to Venezuela.

This isn't Watergate. It's bigger.

Three weeks after his jet was impounded by the DEA, Hilliard asked for it back in a motion filed in the U.S. District Court in Orlando, arguing that he was an 'innocent owner' unwittingly duped by a known individual.

"Plane 1 and its officers shareholders and directors were not aware of the identity of the passengers utilizing the Lear 35A on this trip other than Mr. Valles," stated Hilliard's motion, and were "unaware that the individuals chartering the plane were engaging in criminal conduct," as well as being "not aware of any facts from which they should have been aware that individuals leasing the plane were engaging in criminal conduct."

The U.S. Attorney's office opposed the plane's return, "because the property was used or acquired as a result of a violation of the Controlled Substances Act.

In a hearing on November 3, 2000 Federal Magistrate Judge James Glazebrook denied Hilliard's motion to get his Lear back.

"Wally took a big hit on that one," stated one aviation observer at the Naples Airport. "The DEA was not going to let him have that plane back."

"The DEA was planning on adding it to their Border Patrol fleet," confirmed a spokesman for the Lear jet's current owner. East Coast Jets of Allentown, PA. bought the plane, they told us, after the insurance company which had insured it for the lender against seizure successfully wrenched it back from the DEA after Hilliard had been removed from the picture.

Wally Hilliard's central role in the purchase and operation of the flight school that was a magnet for Mohamed Atta and the Hamburg cadre requires raising some serious questions about his charter jet company's possible involvement in heroin trafficking...

Especially since the chief product for export of Osama Bin Laden's terrorist organization was also, strangely enough, heroin.

Perhaps this is all just coincidence.

But one has to wonder: will these questions ever be asked in a proper forum?

Is there even a pretense of democracy in America anymore?

Testifying in the wake of the 9/11 attack before the Senate Banking Committee about terrorist connections in money laundering, Assistant Attorney General Michael Chertoff said:

"Frankly, we can't differentiate between terrorism and organized crime and drug dealing. These groups don't hold themselves independently: they work with one another. Terrorists get engaged in drug activity. They have relationships with organized crime."

Too true, dude. Too true.

- Daniel Hopsicker is the author of Barry & 'the boys: The CIA, the Mob and America's Secret History

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Posted by hc @ 10/31/2002 09:06 PM EST

Dear vox
I saw your article on WorldNetDaily last night and spent nearly 6 hours reading and digesting your entire site. (There is an exaustive amount of reading here) Your article on the Dirty Bomb is quite chilling. I verified the dinner date story and am now rethinking alot of what I formally held to be true. Your news site is certainly an eye opener.

Theresa Bush (No Relation)
Orlando Florida

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Serious stuff here. I found you through world net daily and am sitting here completely amazed at the accuracy of your prediction that a Senator would be exactly as you described. hy isn't your article in the New York Times where it belongs. Isn't that the paper of record. Seems like you've got a pretty good track record for being correct. I'll be checking back with you in the coming weeks.
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